Humans On The Loop

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By: Michael Garfield

Let's dream better! Join paleontologist-futurist Michael Garfield for bold, far-ranging explorations into the nature of agency in the age of automation, wisdom and innovation, responsibility and power, and the care and feeding of the new superpowers conferred to us by magical technologies. Weekly dialogues at the edge of the knowable, learning to navigate Global Weirding and exponential AI with the curiosity and play required of us. Building on twenty years of independent research plus firsthand experience of the tech, arts, and science worlds, Humans On The Loop is a show to transform you and help us make better use of...

Design for Provably Safe AI with Evan Miyazono
#20
06/24/2025

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This week’s guest is my friend Evan Miyazono, CEO and Director of Atlas Computing — a tech non-profit committed not to the false god of perfect alignment but to plausible strategy of provable safety. Focusing on community building, cybersecurity, and biosecurity, Evan and his colleagues are working to advance a new AI architecture that constrains and formally specifies AI outputs, with reviewable intermediary results, collaborating across sectors to promote this radically different and more empirical approach to applied machine intelligence.

After completing his PhD in Applied Physics at Caltech, Evan...


Religions of the Future & The New Monstrous with Rina Nicolae
#2
06/10/2025

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What the hell is going on with culture right now? The Web is running evolution in fast-forward, remixing the very substrates of identity and personhood in a molten broil of post-ironic, post-human, post-truth meme-play that reminds me of nothing more than the porous networked selfhood of bacterial in a molten wash of horizontal gene transfer. RIP the genre and all hail the hyper-real individual as institution, the self-fulfilling prophecies of [EDIT: Guy Debord’s] society of the spectacle [and Baudrillard’s simulation], the revenge of religion as our accelerating techno-social evolution prom...


Self-Actualization in the Global Brain with Cadell Last of Philosophy Portal
#18
05/23/2025

This week’s guest is Cadell Last, the creator of Philosophy Portal, author of Global Brain Singularity and Real Speculations, and organizer of myriad conferences, anthologies, and collaborative volumes exploring biocultural evolution, the mind-matter relation, and speculative futures. Cadell has been the director of psychedelic research at Psirenity, a researcher at the Bertalanffy Center for the Study of Systems Science, a science writer on primatology and paleoanthropology for Scientific American, and the founder, writer, and researcher for The Advanced Apes at PBS Digital Studios.

In this episode, we discuss self-actualization and self-transformation in our age of magical te...


The Architecture of The Next Creative Economy with Michael Dean
#17
05/03/2025

This week’s guest is the singular Michael Dean, who graduated from architecture school and played in a band before spending years in tech working on virtual reality, only to metamorphose into one of the best essayists I’ve ever read. With support from Humans On The Loop supporters O’Shaughnessy Ventures and Cosmos Institute, Dean is now decoding the structure of great essays and translating his framework into both a textbook and an AI-powered editing tool.

In this conversation, we explore how to cultivate human agency at the frontiers where physical reality and the metaverse fold into o...


The Art & Technology of Conversation with Robert Poynton
#16
04/23/2025

ā€œWhen I have a rich, powerful, mind expanding, mind bending conversation like this, I'll need to go and lie down in darkened room afterwards.ā€ā€“ Robert Poynton

This week’s guest is my friend and inspiration Robert Poynton, Founder of Yellow Learning, Associate Fellow at the SaĆÆd Business School at Oxford, and author of three beautiful short books — Do Pause, Do Improvise, and Do Conversation — full of his insights from decades of designing and leading Executive Education leadership programs and hosting creative retreats in Spain.

In Future Fossils Episode 196 Robert and I discussed how important it is to lear...


Scale Theory: Contemplating Everything-At-Onceness with Joshua DiCaglio
04/05/2025

This week’s guest my friend Joshua DiCaglio, Associate Professor of English at Texas A&M University and author of the fabulous Scale Theory: A Nondisciplinary Inquiry.

It’s a book bout how contemplating scale can transform us — how it’s one thing to understand the microcosm and macrocosm through our maps and another thing entirely to really sit with the mystery of how all of this is happening at once. We can conceptually differentiate ourselves from the rest of the cosmos, but scale makes it clear that at no point do we ever truly stand outside it all.<...


Jim O'Shaughnessy on Creativity, Crisis, and Trust as The Fabric of Society
#14
03/29/2025

This week Jim O’Shaughnessy (Website | X) joins Humans On The Loop to carry our first on-record conversation on Infinite Loops into bold new terrains! Jim is one of the most renowned investors and asset managers of all the time and the author of several hugely best-selling and influential books on investing, including What Works on Wall Street, Invest Like The Best, and Predicting The Markets of Tomorrow. He also founded the first online investment advisor and holds the patent for ā€œā€Šthe origination and fulfillment of stock investment portfolios over a worldwide computer network.ā€ (You heard right!)

After de...


Aishwarya Khanduja on Living Inquiry & Fostering Imagination
#13
03/22/2025

Where do we need boundaries, and where do we need flows? And how can we ensure that we can redistribute them according to the changing needs of any given moment? These are the kinds of questions I would ask if I were trying to meta-solve a meta-crisis, and this is why I’m glad to share this conversation with you. Today’s guest Aishwarya Khanduja, is a fellow living inquiry, an incandescent interrobang just like myself, the founder of The Analogue Group.

Announcements:

* We will book club Federico Campagna’s Prophetic Culture: Recreation for Adolescents on May...


Matt Segall on Culture as The Lifeblood of The Machine Economy
#12
03/14/2025

This week I dialogue with Matthew David Segall, Associate Professor of Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness at the California Institute of Integral Studies, Chair of the Science Advisory Committee for the Cobb Institute, and author of the Footnotes To Plato blog as well as numerous books on the philosophy of Alfred North Whitehead and Friedrich Schelling. In it, we wrangle with some very fundamental questions, such as:

* What distinguishes the organismal and machinic?

* How can we support vital cultural activity without reducing the measure of our humanity to our economic productivity?

* What if we’re...


Andrew McLuhan on Needling The Somnambulists about How We've Never Been Autonomous
#11
03/07/2025

This week on Humans On The Loop I welcome Andrew McLuhan, author, teacher, and Director of The McLuhan Institute, a generational ark for media theory in a world that desperately needs more help understanding the relationships between our tools, our minds, and our society.

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J.F. Martel on Machines vs. Fractals, Black Box Personhood, and Navigating The AI Fairy Tale
#10
02/28/2025

Halfway through one of my favorite sci-fi novels, Charles Stross’ Accelerando, we tune in to the members of an interstellar first contact mission as they pass the time debating whether the Technological Singularity has happened yet. Spoiler alert: all of them are uploaded minds appearing in a consensus VR environment as various post-human avatars, riding inside a computer the size of a grain of rice on a craft the size of a soda can. To readers it seems like a satire: what, if not this, would it take to convince you we’re over the rainbow? But good science fict...


Adah Parris on Neurodivergent Cyborg Shamans & Elemental Tech Ethics
#9
02/19/2025

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About This Episode

This week we speak with ā€œstrategic futurist and pattern navigatorā€ Adah Parris, a London-based wizard and weirdo with whom I immediately hit it off over our shared interest in ā€œcyborg shamanismā€ and an emphasis on being good ancestors. Forbes Brasil called her ā€œone of the most important futurists in the world.ā€ It’s hard for me to measure the im...


Howard Rheingold on Lucid Life Online & Attention As A 21st Century Literacy
#8
02/12/2025

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About This Episode

We live in a time defined by the agency of what author, critic, and teacher Howard Rheingold famously described as ā€œtools fo...


Jessica Clark on Making New Realities with New Media
#7
02/06/2025

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This week I speak with author, futurist, and strategist Jessica Clark of Dot Connector Studio. Jessica has honed her skills for decades on a path that’s carried her from AAAS to The Library of Congress to The Encyclopedia Britannica to the Center for Media and Social Impact to The New America Foundation to The Association of Independents in Radio and beyond, and now she oversees a refuge for social innovators working at the intersections of philanthropy, media, arts and culture, and futurism. We need dot connectors more than ever i...


New Selves of Neural Media & AI as 'The Poison Path' with K Allado-McDowell
#6
01/30/2025

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This week we speak with K Allado-McDowell, artist, musician, and co-founder of the Artists & Machine Intelligence program at Google. K pioneered human-computer co-authorship with the book Pharmako-AI, as well as Air Age Blueprint, Amor Cringe, and the graphic novel Outside, plus works in opera and ritual. Their work reveals the human as inherently relational and ecological, technology as something nature’s doing, and the new vistas made legible by technology as a fertile zone within which we can redefine identity and story from a radically transformed awareness. Pharmako-AI, the first...


Futures Indistinguishable from Magic with Robin Sloan
#5
01/22/2025

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This week I speak with New York Times best-selling author and creative technologist Robin Sloan about the themes of his inimitable novel Moonbound, one of those reads that wrapped me in a vortex of wonder and synchronicity, and raises questions like:

Where is the line between technology and magic?What is a computer, really, and do humans qualify?How wrong might we be about the future?How do stories shape reality, and what happens when we have to make room for the stories of the more-than-human world?


Transcending (and Including) Partisan Debate with Stephanie Lepp
#4
01/16/2025

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This week I speak with my friend Stephanie Lepp (Website | LinkedIn), two-time Webby Award-winning producer and storyteller devoted to leaving ā€œno insight left behindā€ with playful and provocative media experiments that challenge our limitations of perspective. Stephanie is the former Executive Director at the Institute for Cultural Evolution and former Executive Producer at the Center for Humane Technology. Her work has been covered by NPR and the MIT Technology Review, supported by the Mozilla Foundation and Sundance Institute, and featured on Future Fossils Podcast twice — first in episode 154 for her projec...


Mycopunk Community Coordination with Christina Bowen of Socialroots
#3
01/08/2025

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This week’s guest is my friend and inspiration, knowledge ecologist Christina Bowen. If I were to try and start a movement, I would call her first. Christina is CEO and co-founder of socialroots.io, an NSF- and Omidyar Network-funded software platform for cross-group collaboration that promotes aligned action and helps teams communicate legible impact metrics to stakeholders. Or, in the parlance of our times, she is a master of negotiating the complexities of human communication and community.

She has deep, lived experience of what it takes to sub...


The Inner Life of a Responsible Tech Practitioner with Benjamin Olsen
#2
12/25/2024

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When technology gets byzantine, when the heady early years of cybernetic mysticism give way and our software engineers become the new priests of the Catholic institutions of Big Tech, maybe we can learn a thing or two from a Byzantine Catholic who’s made Responsible Technology their life. This week’s guest is just that person. Benjamin Olsen is the Head of Windows Responsible AI & Data Compliance at Microsoft, where he also pioneered their first AI & Ethics education programs. He’s also an advisor for AI and Faith and has worked...


Reclaiming Attention from 'The Ravenous Maw of The Screen' with Richard Doyle
#1
12/18/2024

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When, suddenly, the barrier between ā€œimaginationā€ and ā€œrealityā€ evaporates as our familiar notions of here/there, now/then, in/out, and other/self twist up into a ball of non-Euclidean spaghetti, whom better to help steer the course through these ā€œturbulent philosophical watersā€ than Richard Doyle, aka ā€œM0b1iusā€, Edwin Erle Sparks Professor at Penn State Center for Humanities and Information in the College of Liberal Arts?

After his postdoctoral research at MIT in History and Philosophy of the Life Sciences, Doyle wrote The Wetwares Trilogy, a...


šŸ“ššŸ§™šŸ¼ā€ā™‚ļøšŸ¦¾ 232 - Myth & Magic in Technological Metamodernism
12/02/2024

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✨ About This Episode

ā€œThe best academic lecture/slam poetry/sermon/magical invocation/attunement and invitation to engage I’ve experienced in a long while.ā€ā€“ Daniel Lindenbarger

Next week, after nearly nine years of development, this show grows up to become Humans On The Loop, a transdisciplinary exploration of agency in the age of automation. For long-time listeners of Future Fossils, not much will really change — philosophical investigations in the key of psychedelic futurism, voyages into the edges of what is and can be known, and boldly curious ri...


ā³šŸŽØšŸ”® 231 - Eric Wargo & J.F. Martel on Art as Precognition, Biblically-Accurate A.I., and How to Navigate Ruptures in Space-Time
11/21/2024

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šŸ¦ā€ā¬›šŸ™šŸ–¤ 230 - Jamie Curcio on Living in Mythpunk, Eldritch Complexity, and Finding The Bright Side of Dark Ages
11/14/2024

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This week I talk with Jamie CurcioĀ to ask, whom do we serve? Who gives us power, and to whom do we give ours? Where does that power come from? To whom do we sell our stories?

We explore the world behind the world, linking Jamie’s writing and game world-building in the domain he calls myth punk, and the equally Eldritch complex systems wicked problem of climate action.

Studying that link, we can trace the outlines of emergent 21st Century religions — the reinterpretation of axial tradi...


šŸ‘¾šŸ–¼ļøšŸÆ 229 - Sara Phinn Huntley on Making A Field Guide to DMT Entities
10/29/2024

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This week on Future Fossils I welcome back Sara Phinn Huntley (help her fight cancer!), a multimedia artist, writer, and researcher who has spent the last two decades exploring the intersection of psychedelics, technology, and philosophy.

An intrepid psychonaut and cartographer of hyperspace, her current focus involves using VR to represent visual/spatial imagination in real-time. Using a multidisciplinary approach, she documents and maps the states revealed by dimethyltriptamime and other psychedelics, cargo culting higher dimensional artifacts through the intersection of chaos mathematics, Islamic geometry, and 3D...


šŸ§¬šŸ•°ļøāš—ļø 228 - William Sarill on Intuition in Science & The Physics of Philip K. Dick
10/11/2024

This week we speak to multidisciplinary independent researcher William Sarill, whose life has traced a high-dimensional curve through biochemistry, art restoration, physics, and esotericism (and I’m stopping the list here but it goes on). Bill is one of the only people I know who has the scientific chops to understand and explain how to possibly unify thermodynamics with general relativity AND has gone swimming into the deep end of The Weird for long enough to develop an appreciation for its paradoxical profundities. He can also boast personal friendships with two of the greatest (and somewhat diametrically opposed) science fi...


šŸŽ™ļøšŸ–‡ļøšŸ•øļø 227 - MG + Tim Adalin of Voicecraft: Network Philosophy, Caring Organizations, & Wiser Innovation
09/23/2024

This week on Future Fossils, I meet with the wonderful Tim Adalin of Voicecraft. Watch us get to know each other a little bit better on a swapcast (his edit here) that throws a long loop around the world. Tim is precisely the kind of thoughtful investigator I love to encounter in conversation. Enjoy!

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šŸ“ššŸ§šŸ¦¾ 226 - Stephen Reid on Technological Metamodernism
09/10/2024

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✨ About This Episode

How can we design virtuous technologies while acknowledging the complexity and unintended consequences of technological innovation?

How can we foster curiosity, playfulness, and wonder in a world increasingly dominated by anxiety and technological determinism?

This week on Future Fossils (as a teaser for the kind of conversations I am having for my upcoming spin-off Humans On The Loop), I meet with Stockholm-based transdisciplinary technologist, facilitator, complexity researcher, founder of The Psychedelic Society, and once upon a time the youngest-ever board member of Gr...


šŸ¤°šŸ½šŸ§šŸ•øļø 225 - Alyssa Allegretti on Sacred Domesticity and Hard Times in The Liminal Web
08/23/2024

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✨ About This Episode

If you’re wondering why this episode came later than I promised, well…look no further than the text and subtext of this very rich discussion: it ain’t easy being a scholar when your kids keep banging down the door. This week I speak with professional organizer, single mother, and badass independent public intellectual (in no specific order) Alyssa Allegretti (Website | Substack | Facebook) about making one’s way in the Wild West of the digital realm as someone balancing the seemingly-opposed responsibilities of parenthood and philo...


šŸ”šŸ‘ļøšŸ”® 224 - Helané Wahbeh of IONS on Arguments against Materialism and for New Theories of Consciousness
08/06/2024

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This week on Future Fossils we speak with HelanĆ© Wahbeh (LinkedIn), Director of Research at The Institute of Noetic Sciences, adjunct assistant professor in the Department of Neurology at Oregon Health & Science University, and author of over ninetyĀ peer-reviewed publicationsĀ as well as the bookĀ The Science of Channeling. Our main course: a recent review in Frontiers of Psychology entitled, ā€œWhat if consciousness is not an emergent property of the brain? Observational and empirical challenges to materialistic modelsā€.

In this conversation we take...


šŸ”„šŸŒŽšŸ’’ 223 - Timothy Morton on A New Christian Ecology & Systems Thinking Blasphemy
07/12/2024

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The world is getting hotter, faster, stranger, and scarier every year. Species disappear each day, life-critical diversity replaced with media, consumer goods, capital, and trash. And yet…what do any of us feel inspired to do about it? Why has humankind thus far failed to wield its religions as an instrument for biospheric action? Reading the above probably generated more distress than motivation. Might Western civilization actually be better off reclaiming what the modern world felt it didn’t need — namely, the sacred? What if...


šŸ‘¾šŸ„šŸ§® 222 - AndrĆ©s GomĆ©z Emilsson on Psychedelic Computer Science & The Mathematics of Consciousness
06/20/2024

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In this episode we’re joined by AndrĆ©s GomĆ©z Emilsson, President and Director of Research at the Qualia Research Institute (QRI), with whom we go deep on their computational approach to probe the mysteries of consciousness and the psychedelic experience — and thereby, perhaps, make the world a substantially happier place. Join us for an adventurous dialogue at the intersections of phenomenology, spirituality, and mathematics…with stops along the way to ask about the neurobiological construction of time’s arrow(s), the geometry of DMT space, and the ethical challenges of creating conscious...


šŸ“ÆšŸ’—šŸŒŒ 221 - Tom Morgan on Answering The Call of Destiny & Love As An Attractor
05/30/2024

ā€œNature loves courage. You make the commitment and nature will respond to that commitment by removing impossible obstacles. Dream the impossible dream and the world will not grind you under, it will lift you up. This is the trick. This is what all these teachers and philosophers who really counted, who really touched the alchemical gold, this is what they understood. This is the shamanic dance in the waterfall. This is how magic is done. By hurling yourself into the abyss and discovering it's a feather bed.ā€ā€“Ā Terence McKenna

This week I meet our guest Tom Morgan (LinkedI...


šŸ¤–šŸŒ³šŸ“ˆ 220 - Austin Wade Smith on Convivial Ecological Institutions and Open Source Commons for Sensemaking
05/08/2024

This week I riff with Austin Wade Smith (they/them) — an animist, designer, ecologist, and creative technologist based in Brooklyn, New York and the Executive Director of Regen Foundation, a US-based non-profit working with distributed ledgers and AI to design sovereign regenerative economics. Austin’s work explores opportunities for social, legal, economic, and information technologies to foster greater interdependence between individuals and our living world. They teach design and engineering courses related to their research at universities in New York.

In this conversation we explore what Austin calls ā€œa simple framework designed to expand the legibility of the ā€˜m...


šŸ™šŸ½ā›©šŸ¤– 219 - Joshua Schrei on Embodied Ethics in The Age of A.I.
04/15/2024

This week marks the beginning of Embodied Ethics in The Age of A.I., a six-week online course led by writer and teacher Joshua Schrei, host of The Emerald Podcast.Ā  This course is, in large part, inspired by an episode he wrote last year called ā€œSo You Want To Be A Sorcerer in The Age of Mythic Powersā€ — exploring the mythic dimensions of tech innovation and calling for a reclamation of initiatic mystery schools in order to provide us with the requisite self-mastery to wield tools like generative language models. I’m honored to be part of the all-star crew line...


šŸŽ‹šŸ”¬šŸ•øļø 218 - Neil Theise on Complexity & Nonduality
04/02/2024

I’m honored to share a profound and soulful conversation on science and spirituality with Neil Theise, professor of pathology at the NYU Grossman School of Medicine, discoverer of a new human organ (the interstitium), lifelong Zen meditator, and author of the superb book, Notes on Complexity.

✨ Mentioned & Related Links:

Embodied Ethics in The Age of AIComplexity, Culture & Consciousness - a Minds.com panel discussion with Neil Theise, Erik Davis, Michael Garfield, Richard Doyle, and Mitch Mignano hosted by Bill OttmanThe Golden Oecumene (trilogy)by John C. WrightThe End of Burnout by Jonathan MalesicTom Morgan - Wh...


šŸ’»šŸ’¶šŸŒ 217 - Gregory Landua & Speaker John Ash on Regenerative Accelerationism & How To Heal A Broken Internet
03/06/2024

If you care about this show as a public good, consider signing up on Substack or Patreon today for bonus episodes, live calls, and more — or at least mash ā€œsubscribeā€ on Spotify or Apple Podcasts and leave a five-star review.Ā  The unborn future archaeologists who find these episodes inscribed in DNA will thank you!

Today I welcome you to join me for a long-awaited trialogue with two of the most thoughtful people I know: Gregory Landua, co-founder of Regen Network (and CEO of Regen Network Dev PBC), a project to bend finance and computing back into service of rege...


šŸ¦ā€ā¬›šŸ¦–šŸ•µšŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø 216 - Jingmai O'Connor on Dead Birds & Living Paleontologists
02/21/2024

This week I speak with Jingmai O’Connor (Staff Page | Instagram), Associate Curator of Fossil Reptiles (a.k.a. Priestess of Dead Dino-Birds) at The Field Museum in Chicago, about the magnificent strangeness of Mesozoic flying reptiles, the perverse anthropology of paleontologists, and much else. Contrary to expectations for a show with ā€œfossilsā€ in its title, I don’t ordinarily interview people who actually dig up prehistoric creatures, but as I make perhaps too obvious in this enthusiastic get-to-know-each-other session, I still care deeply for the treasured mysteries that lie in store beneath our feet and love the people who devo...


šŸ«‚šŸ‘©šŸ¼ā€šŸ’»šŸ” 215 - Social Science & Collective Intelligence with Brigham Adams of Goodly Labs
01/22/2024

This week I speak with social scientist Nicholas Brigham Adams (Twitter, LinkedIn) about his work at Goodly Labs to create new infrastructure for collective intelligence — new systems for collective fact-checking and sense-making that can help us rise to the occasion of our inherently social, planet-scale challenges.Ā  And the time for this work is definitely NOW.Ā  As paths across social, economic, and ecological networks continue to shrink due to the increasing connectivity of technological systems, humankind migrates from an Earth on which most events seem impossibly distant and irrelevant to an Earth defined by nonlinear, often exponential impacts of seemingly-trivial deve...


šŸ‘ļøšŸ”„šŸ“€ 214 - J.F. Martel, Phil Ford, & Megan Phipps on Weird Cybernetics: Waking Up From The Ecstasy
12/25/2023

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Merry Christmas, Future Fossils!Ā  This is Michael Garfield welcoming you to episode 214 of the podcast that explores our place in time — and as demonstrated in the Dr. Who and Aliens franchises, Blade Runner 2049, and Batman Returns, Christmas is a fruitful backdrop for the pondering of big ideas — a moment in which we can see with greater clarity than usual the unity of everyday mundane humanity and transcendental cosmic matters.Ā  In other words, perfect timing for this episode’s conversation about cybernetics and the philosophy of the weird w...


šŸ•øļøā›©ļøšŸ’» 213 - Amber Case & Michael Zargham on Entangled Technologies & Design As Governance
12/01/2023

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This week I speak with two of the most thoughtful people I know in tech, cyborg anthropologist Amber Case and systems engineer Michael Zargham (Founder & CEO of BlockScience) — who work together on tools for building trust between tech users and tech companies at the Superset DAO and each contribute diverse value to society through myriad creative projects in their own right (like Amber’s totally fabulous music group Glo Torch!). Thanks to the generous invitation of Regen Foundation CEO Gregory Landua, I met Amber and Michae...