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Retired Navy SEAL, Jocko Willink and Director, Echo Charles discuss discipline and leadership in business, war, relationships and everyday life.

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555: The Nature Of Man Is War
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René Quinton’s extreme ideas about war, human nature, struggle, and heroism. They examine why humans are drawn to conflict and why a life of comfort may be something worth fighting against.

0:00 – René Quinton & Maxims on War

4:21 – Does Human Nature Love War?

13:22 – Competition vs. Collaboration

16:10 – The Male Psyche: Friend or Foe

24:05 – Why Men Seek Risk, Combat & Danger

31:00 – Tribalism, Fighting & Understanding Jiu-Jitsu

37:04 – Service, Sacrifice & the Nature of Heroes

49:44 – Success, Wealth & Why the Process Matters

58:57 – What Makes a Hero?

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Jocko Underground: The Safety Protocol for Your Kids When They're On Their Own.
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What is the safety protocol for your kids when they are on their own.

Training Jiu Jitsu with limitations.

The difference between a leadership failure and a hiring failure.

How to eliminate crippling doubt while achieving your goals in life.

What to do if you suspect your leadership is working against you .



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554: Maximum Efficiency On The Front Lines of Battle and Life
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08/19/2026

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Breaking down raw, firsthand combat lessons from U.S. Army soldiers fighting their way through World War II—lessons written in the field by men who had just experienced the consequences of good decisions, bad decisions, aggression, hesitation, discipline, and leadership.



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Jocko Underground: Jonah Hill's Tough Talk About His Jiu Jitsu Skill.
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08/17/2026

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Jonah Hill's Tough Talk About His Jiu Jitsu Skill.

The best way to get forgiveness after terrible behavior in the past.

Thoughts on the worries of climate change and the worlds problems.

How to save your marriage if it's on thin ice.

Sacrificing sleep for more time during the day.



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553: Becoming Brothers Through Battle, Death, and Honor in Ramadi. With Miguel "Pitbull" Santana.
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08/12/2026

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Book: Unheard Voices The Fight For Ramadi: A Soldier’s Memoir From Combat Outpost Falcon


In 2006, Miguel “Pitbull” Santana and his soldiers entered Ramadi, Iraq—a city many believed was already lost. What followed was months of relentless combat, sacrifice, loss, and brotherhood. Miguel joins Jocko to tell the story from the ground: the firefights, the men who saved each other's lives, the leaders who went first, and the bonds that remain unbroken twenty years later.



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Jocko Underground: Why Do People Refuse to Learn or Talk About The Future Of The World Around Us?
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08/10/2026

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People don't want to learn about what's coming in the future.

The differences in our definition of "Leadership".

How to get your kids to take on interests that stick.

What to do when you've outgrown the drinking crowd.

What to do if you have trust issues with women.



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552: How The Mindset of A Sniper Apply to Life. With JP Dinnell.
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08/05/2026

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Being a sniper isn't just about shooting. It's about observation, patience, preparation, adaptability, and making the right decision at exactly the right moment. Jocko and JP Dinnell explore the unseen skills behind elite snipers, telling stories from combat while revealing how those same habits create success in leadership, business, and life.



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Jocko Underground: If Someone Is From Iran and Wants to Move to The USA?
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08/03/2026

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If Someone Is From Iran and Wants to Move to The USA?

How to earn respect from people with more experience in life.

How to be excellent while balancing family, health, and life.

How to be more of an action-taker.

How to make things happen when you don't think you have the power or authority.



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551: Relationships Over Rank. Trust Over Authority
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07/29/2026

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Breaking down why strong relationships consistently outperform rank, how great leaders develop confident teams instead of micromanaging them, and why every interaction is an opportunity to train. From chain of command to building trust, this episode is a practical guide to creating teams that win under pressure.



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Jocko Underground: Keep Your Insanity In a Frustrating World
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07/27/2026

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How to Keep Your Insanity In a Frustrating World.

Uncontrollable hygiene issues on the Jiu Jitsu mats?

Moral-driven altercations in public. What to do.

Feeling aimless in life, here's what to do.

Rebuilding your life after you messed it up.



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550: The Company Commander's Playbook for Leadership
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07/22/2026

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Using the Marine Corps Company Commander's Handbook as a guide, Jocko and Echo discuss what every leader should know before taking over a team: setting expectations, establishing a command philosophy, earning trust, leading through influence, and creating a culture where people thrive.



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Jocko Underground: Break The Cycle - Getting Over The Trauma of An Abusive Parent.
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07/20/2026

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Getting Over The Trauma of An Abusive Parent.

Should you get in shape before starting JiuJitsu?

What to do when your ex is publicly smearing your reputation.

How to get two groups to work together who don't like each other.

How to handle people around you who don't seem to care about your emotions.



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549: Everyone is Judging—and Being Judged. Breaking Down Self-Awareness, Humility, and Respect
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07/15/2026

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Everyone is judging—and being judged. Breaking down how self-awareness, humility, and respect determine your effectiveness as a leader, why perception matters, and how ego quietly destroys influence



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Jocko Underground: Is It Possible to Get The Actual Truth From Modern Media?
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07/13/2026

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Is It Possible to Get The Actual Truth From Modern Media?

How to prepare for a baby on the way.

Getting the most out of learning Jiu Jitsu moves as a beginner.

How to motivate a complacent person.

Chasing a risky dream when you have a stable job.



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548: The Importance of Morale and How to Develop It.
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07/08/2026

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The military review US Army Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, again, November 1960Drawing from rarely discussed military journals written during the Cold War, Jocko and Echo explore the timeless principles behind morale, trust, courage, and why some leaders inspire extraordinary effort while others don't.



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Jocko Underground: What to do When Life Seems To Be Unsatisfying.
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07/06/2026

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What to do When Life Seems To Be Unsatisfying.

How to excel when you get promoted quickly.

Are you living life by any code?

Are you contemplating law enforcement?

The best way to get over a bad day on the mats and in life.



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547: How to Master Uncertainty. With (Ret) SEAL Commander, Rich Diviney
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07/01/2026

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Retired Navy SEAL officer Rich Diviney returns to break down why fear isn't the enemy—uncertainty is. From combat and BUD/S to business and everyday life, Rich explains practical methods for staying composed under pressure, overcoming anxiety, and performing when the stakes are highest.



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Jocko Underground: Getting Over Overwhelming Sadness and Guilt from Tragedy.
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06/29/2026

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Getting over overwhelming guilt from tragedy.

How should civilians respectfully ask veterans about their combat experiences without minimizing their sacrifices or making them uncomfortable?

As a new Navy chaplain, how can I best earn the trust of sailors and Marines while helping them through life's toughest challenges?

Should I transfer to another office that's better for my family even if it means leaving behind a mentor and a promising career path?

How should I handle living near a convicted child predator while protecting my family...


546: The Myth of Being in Control: Marine Corps Doctrine on Command and Control
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06/24/2026

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Why the best leaders stop trying to control everything. Jocko and Cory break down Marine Corps doctrine on command and control, explaining why decentralized leadership, trust, feedback, and initiative outperform micromanagement in business, combat, and life.



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Jocko Underground: Is It Reasonable to Relax Your Situational Awareness Sometimes?
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06/22/2026

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1. Sleep or Stay Alert?

Question: As a frequent traveler, how do you balance situational awareness with the need to sleep while traveling?

2. Is It Time to Leave Law Enforcement?

Question: With police officers increasingly being prosecuted after use-of-force incidents, when should an officer consider changing careers?


3. Missing the Team I Built

Question: After leaving a leadership role I built from the ground up for a larger company, why do I feel less fulfilled and how do I regain my motivation?<...


545: The Journey Through Pain, Purpose, and Resilience. With Mason Wright.
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06/17/2026

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Mason Wright ("Buff Runner") went from childhood trauma, loss, and depression to completing a 1,000-mile run around a high school track. In this conversation, he shares how sports saved him, how he survived some of the darkest moments of his life, and why suffering can become a tool for growth. A powerful discussion on resilience, discipline, and refusing to quit.



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544: How Good Men Lose Their Moral Compass
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06/10/2026

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Drawing from hard lessons learned during wartime, Jocko and Echo explore the psychological traps that cause individuals and organizations to drift from their values. A deep discussion on ethics, responsibility, leadership, and the warning signs that trouble is ahead.



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543: Don't Wait to Get Punched in the Face. The Best Way to Adapt And Learn.
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06/03/2026

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Jocko Underground: Losing My Faith in Humanity and The World.
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06/01/2026

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Losing My Faith in Humanity and The World.  Could you take a dangerous submission to the limit if you had to? Taking a promotion and more money but stress on the family. Should you move out of your town because of social political reasons? Can't seem to get into the shape I want to be in. Feeling a bit useless after service.



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542: Stronghold: War, Rescue, and Resistance. With Ephraim Mattos
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05/27/2026

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Ephraim Mattos explains how Stronghold Rescue & Relief trains local people to save lives in one of the world’s deadliest ongoing conflicts.


Stronghold Rescue | https://strongholdrescue.org/

The Overwatch | https://www.theoverwatch.co/



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Jocko Underground: When Your Disciplined Life Has Left You Lonely w/ No Social Connections
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05/25/2026

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When your disciplined lifestyle has left you lonely and lacking social connections.

Meeting The Standard To Be Prepared For Service And Life.

What to do: I committed my life to a career I don't like.

Establishing boundaries with parents and in-laws.

Moving to up to the "Political" level in your job--Things to be aware of.



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541: Skills, Struggle, and Responsibility. With Jimmy May.
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05/20/2026

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Jimmy May returns to discuss life after the military, helping veterans transition, building stronger families, and teaching the next generation resilience and responsibility.



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Jocko Underground: The Dangers and Protocol of Carrying A Gun in An Altercation.
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05/18/2026

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The Dangers and Protocol of Carrying A Gun in An Altercation.

When there's a problematic co-worker that is in good with the boss.

How Ecclesiastes wisdom informs the philosophy of Extreme Ownership.

How to teach and be a role model to modern young people.

What path to pursue in life, and why.



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540: Saved By The Corps. From A Path of Destruction, to Success. With Ben Ingram.
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05/13/2026

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Ben Ingram was headed toward prison or worse. Drugs, street fights, and survival mode defined his youth—until one decision changed everything: joining the Marines. 

Warriors In Need


Jocko Underground: How To Deal With Public Transgressions Against You from Someone.
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05/11/2026

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How To Deal With Public Transgressions Against You from Someone.

Teaching the new generation when the odds are stacked against them.

Dealing with jealousy, grief, and loss... all at the same time.

How do we feel about crying in Jiu Jitsu?

Dealing with resentment that can happen in a blended family.



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539: Elevate From The Gray Slop In Your Head.
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05/06/2026

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Breaking down the battle between the limbic system and the prefrontal cortex — emotion versus reason. Why people panic, escalate conflict, make terrible decisions, and how to detach from the “gray slop” in your head.



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Jocko Underground: Struggling with Measuring Up to Your Fiance's Ex.
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05/04/2026

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Insecurity with comparing yourself to her ex. 

Insecure and sensitive boss. 

What to do when you feel stuck in your career. 

What to do when your kid is scared to take Jiu Jitsu class. 

What to do when you're struggling to find purpose in life.



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538: The Legendary Speech on How Leaders Should Lead. Major C.A. Bach Back, 1917.
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04/29/2026

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Breaking down Major C.A. Bach’s legendary 1917 leadership speech and separates timeless leadership truths from outdated doctrine. They cover earning respect instead of demanding it, why confidence comes from preparation, when leaders should apologize, how to avoid becoming a power-tripping boss, and why the best leaders quietly sacrifice for their teams.



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Jocko Underground: Would Jocko Do An MMA Fight? | Career Opportunity VS Family Needs
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04/27/2026

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Would Jocko Do An MMA fight? When you should and shouldn't get a dog. Getting a hold of a haphazard schedule and staying on the path. What to do if you think you have a good leader, but a bad team. Career opportunity VS family needs.



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537: We See What's Happening But Miss What's Going On.
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04/22/2026

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We see the movement, the noise, and the surface-level events—but miss the forces shaping the bigger picture. This episode breaks down how to see what’s really going on. 



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Jocko Underground: When To Walk Away From Your Significant Other. And Don't Look Back.
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04/20/2026

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When To Walk Away From Your Significant Other.

When your kid seems to be losing their drive to succeed.

When you feel like you are not up to the standard at your job.

Dealing with the conflict of how your wife deals with emotions.

Finishing school might not be the right move.



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536: Ramadi: Sacrifice, Brotherhood, and The Return. w/ William "Spanky" Gibson
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04/15/2026

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A Marine’s journey through Ramadi, the realities of combat, and the strength required to return after devastating injury. A conversation about duty, brotherhood, and enduring hardship.



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Jocko Underground: Sometimes We See People Treating Kids Horribly.
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04/13/2026

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Seeing other's mistreat kids is bothersome. When should you move out of the house?Dealing with a traumatic experience on the job. Dealing with setbacks when your physicality is part of your identity. The basic tenets to live by.



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535: Keeping Things Humorous Can Keep You Humble. With Kingsley A. Pinderhughes III aka KingPix Media.
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04/08/2026

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Kingsley Pinderhughes III not only teaches how humility can keep you humble, but also how to PUNCH OUT AND GO TO WORK.



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Jocko Underground: Is Kids' Screen Time Stunting Their Development?
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04/06/2026

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