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Retired Navy SEAL, Jocko Willink and Director, Echo Charles discuss discipline and leadership in business, war, relationships and everyday life.

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563: The 3 Traits Every Great Leader Must Have According to Gen. Matthew Ridgway
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Examining General Matthew Ridgway's timeless leadership principles, exploring the importance of character, courage, competence, and the moral strength to challenge bad decisions. From the battlefields of World War II and Korea to the distractions of modern life, they discuss what it takes to lead effectively, stay prepared, and earn the trust of others.

00:00:00 – General Matthew Ridgway: A Legendary Military Leader

00:05:33 – Is Leadership an Art or a Science?

00:10:03 – The Three Keys to Leadership: Character, Courage, and Competence

00:14:21 – Self-Discipline, Responsibility, and Leading by Example

00:20:41 – Physical Courage vs...


Jocko Underground: Issues With Training Jiu Jitsu with Women Partners.
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562: The Deadly Cost of Bad Leadership. Lessons From Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. With Bing West
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10/14/2026

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Marine combat veteran, author, and former senior defense official Bing West joins Jocko to discuss the brutal realities of war, the strategic failures of military and political leadership, and the lessons America continues to overlook. Drawing on firsthand experiences from Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan, West reveals how flawed decisions at the highest levels can have devastating consequences on the battlefield.

00:00:00 – The Brutal Reality of Combat in Vietnam

00:04:17 – Bing West's Early Life and Marine Corps Career

00:08:42 – The Strategic Failures of the Vietnam War

00:14:49 – Winning the Trust of the L...


Jocko Underground: When You're Ready For a New Chapter | Battling Fatigue In Life
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10/12/2026

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00:00:00 – When You're Ready For a New Chapter?

00:06:33 – Struggling with chronic fatigue syndrome?

00:13:32 – Are leaders born with natural leadership abilities, or can leadership be learned?

00:24:00 – How do I choose between multiple job offers, and what advice do you have for starting my career?

00:43:28 – How do I recognize that I'm not good enough and need to improve without constantly beating myself up?



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561: The Art Of Command. Action, Initiative, and Judgement.
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10/07/2026

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Breaking down General Melvin Zais’s 1977 speech Leadership and the Art of Command, exploring action, initiative, delegation, discipline, judgment, and the realities of leading people. After a lifetime of combat and command, Zais ultimately reduces effective leadership to one essential principle: you must care about your people.


00:00 – General Melvin Zais: A Lifetime of Leadership

02:16 – Leadership Defies Definition

08:24 – Stop Talking. Take Action.

17:36 – The Basics of Good Leadership

24:59 – The “It Factor,” Luck, and Creating Opportunity

32:30 – Leadership Is Getting Others to Perform

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Jocko Underground: My View on Non-Combatant Military Members | How to Get Your Life Back
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10/05/2026

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00:01:06 — Do combat veterans view conscientious objectors/noncombatant medics as honorable?

00:05:34 — My 3-year-old may have autism and kids are starting to make fun of him. How do I help him—and myself—handle it?

00:24:30 — I got sober and used harsh self-criticism to stay disciplined. How do I shift toward self-compassion without losing discipline?

00:33:03 — After several devastating life events, I’ve fallen into drinking, weed, and avoiding my goals. How do I get my head right and attack life again?

00:40:00 — I’m a high-school strength coach burned out by an unsuppor...


560: Leadership Is A Skill. Train It. With Jamie Cochran.
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09/30/2026

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Jamie Cochran breaks down real-world leadership lessons from Echelon Front clients and organizations. They discuss overcoming resistance, merging cultures, developing leaders, taking ownership without doing everything yourself, and why leadership is a skill that must be continuously practiced.



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Jocko Underground: The Reality When Your Boss Sucks and You Don't Respect Him At All.
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09/28/2026

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00:40 — How do I respect a leader I don’t respect or trust?

15:21 — How do I solve problems aggressively without being out of control?

27:22 — Should I keep pursuing more responsibility if it’s making work stressful?

38:55 — How do I stay calm when my kids are melting down?

54:38 — How important is competing in Jiu-Jitsu, and is it worth the injury risk?



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559: Turning Unimaginable Loss Into Purpose. The Legacy of Marc Lee. With Debbie Mama Lee
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09/23/2026

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Twenty years after Navy SEAL Marc Lee was killed in Ramadi, his mother Debbie “Mama Lee” Lee joins Jocko and Echo to reflect on grief, faith, brotherhood, and the legacy Marc left behind. They discuss the work of America’s Mighty Warriors, helping veterans heal from the invisible wounds of war, supporting Gold Star families, and turning unimaginable loss into a mission to help others.


00:00 – 20 Years Since Mark Lee’s Death

Mama Lee reflects on losing Mark, faith, grief, and the extraordinary legacy that has grown from his s...


558: What We Can Learn From John Spencer Almost Dying 20 Times.
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09/16/2026

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Urban warfare expert and retired Army officer John Spencer returns to share stories from 20 Times I Almost Died, from Ranger School and Iraq to Ukraine, Gaza, and some incredibly close calls. Along the way, John and Jocko break down leadership, intuition, modern warfare, resilience, and the importance of developing a personal code to live by.

00:00 – John Spencer: 20 Times I Almost Died

02:53 – Kashmir: India, Pakistan & Modern Warfare

05:10 – Lebanon, Hezbollah & the Changing Battlefield

11:17 – Ukraine, Drones & the Future of War

15:54 – Inside a Hamas Tunnel Under Gaza

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Jocko Underground: This is How to be a Dependable Warrior.
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09/14/2026

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How to be a dependable warrior.

At what point does being ultra competitive become a weakness?

How to mentally get back on track in life.

How to kick the remaining vices in your life.

How to guide a 3 year old in life.



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557: Stop Waiting for the Perfect Answer. Go.
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09/09/2026

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Every decision has consequences—and the small decisions made repeatedly can eventually shape your entire life. Jocko and Echo break down how to make better decisions under uncertainty, when to trust experience and intuition, how to avoid paralysis through analysis, and why effective leaders take action, learn, and adapt.

00:00 — Decisions: The Choices That Shape Your Life

03:33 — How the Marine Corps Teaches Decision-Making

11:50 — Take the Initiative: Keep Them on Their Heels

18:14 — Logic, Intuition, and Emotion

24:57 — Analytical vs. Instinctive Decision-Making

26:28 — Stop Overthinking. Take a Small Action...


Jocko Underground: The Guy Who Called Out Rener Gracie's Purple Belts and Got Embarrassed.
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09/07/2026

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The Guy Who Called Out Rener Gracie's Purple Belts and Got Embarrassed. 

Maxed out for time, but training for a personal challenge.

How to solve a problem riddled worker on your team.

When a workout partner doesn't have as much dedication.

Got beat up by my wife's guy friend.



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556: The World Belongs to the Brazen and The Brave.
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09/02/2026

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Continuing examination of René Quinton's Maxims on War, exploring courage, danger, ambition, leadership, obedience, and the randomness of combat. The discussion ultimately comes back to a powerful principle for war and everyday life: learn to distinguish real danger from the danger created by your imagination.

00:00 — Maxims on War: Extreme Views and Human Nature

05:34 — War, Death, and the Randomness of Combat

16:57 — Courage, Promotion, and the Danger of Ambition

23:27 — Bravery, Jealousy, and the Power of Example

28:51 — When Danger Becomes Real

34:22 — Real Danger vs. Imagined Dang...


555: The Nature Of Man Is War
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08/26/2026

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René Quinton’s extreme ideas about war, human nature, struggle, and heroism. They examine why humans are drawn to conflict and why a life of comfort may be something worth fighting against.

0:00 – René Quinton & Maxims on War

4:21 – Does Human Nature Love War?

13:22 – Competition vs. Collaboration

16:10 – The Male Psyche: Friend or Foe

24:05 – Why Men Seek Risk, Combat & Danger

31:00 – Tribalism, Fighting & Understanding Jiu-Jitsu

37:04 – Service, Sacrifice & the Nature of Heroes

49:44 – Success, Wealth & Why the Process Matters

58:57 – What Makes a Hero?

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Jocko Underground: The Safety Protocol for Your Kids When They're On Their Own.
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08/24/2026

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What is the safety protocol for your kids when they are on their own.

Training Jiu Jitsu with limitations.

The difference between a leadership failure and a hiring failure.

How to eliminate crippling doubt while achieving your goals in life.

What to do if you suspect your leadership is working against you .



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554: Maximum Efficiency On The Front Lines of Battle and Life
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08/19/2026

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Breaking down raw, firsthand combat lessons from U.S. Army soldiers fighting their way through World War II—lessons written in the field by men who had just experienced the consequences of good decisions, bad decisions, aggression, hesitation, discipline, and leadership.



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Jocko Underground: Jonah Hill's Tough Talk About His Jiu Jitsu Skill.
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08/17/2026

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Jonah Hill's Tough Talk About His Jiu Jitsu Skill.

The best way to get forgiveness after terrible behavior in the past.

Thoughts on the worries of climate change and the worlds problems.

How to save your marriage if it's on thin ice.

Sacrificing sleep for more time during the day.



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553: Becoming Brothers Through Battle, Death, and Honor in Ramadi. With Miguel "Pitbull" Santana.
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08/12/2026

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Book: Unheard Voices The Fight For Ramadi: A Soldier’s Memoir From Combat Outpost Falcon


In 2006, Miguel “Pitbull” Santana and his soldiers entered Ramadi, Iraq—a city many believed was already lost. What followed was months of relentless combat, sacrifice, loss, and brotherhood. Miguel joins Jocko to tell the story from the ground: the firefights, the men who saved each other's lives, the leaders who went first, and the bonds that remain unbroken twenty years later.



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Jocko Underground: Why Do People Refuse to Learn or Talk About The Future Of The World Around Us?
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08/10/2026

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People don't want to learn about what's coming in the future.

The differences in our definition of "Leadership".

How to get your kids to take on interests that stick.

What to do when you've outgrown the drinking crowd.

What to do if you have trust issues with women.



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552: How The Mindset of A Sniper Apply to Life. With JP Dinnell.
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08/05/2026

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Being a sniper isn't just about shooting. It's about observation, patience, preparation, adaptability, and making the right decision at exactly the right moment. Jocko and JP Dinnell explore the unseen skills behind elite snipers, telling stories from combat while revealing how those same habits create success in leadership, business, and life.



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Jocko Underground: If Someone Is From Iran and Wants to Move to The USA?
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08/03/2026

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If Someone Is From Iran and Wants to Move to The USA?

How to earn respect from people with more experience in life.

How to be excellent while balancing family, health, and life.

How to be more of an action-taker.

How to make things happen when you don't think you have the power or authority.



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551: Relationships Over Rank. Trust Over Authority
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07/29/2026

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Breaking down why strong relationships consistently outperform rank, how great leaders develop confident teams instead of micromanaging them, and why every interaction is an opportunity to train. From chain of command to building trust, this episode is a practical guide to creating teams that win under pressure.



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Jocko Underground: Keep Your Insanity In a Frustrating World
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07/27/2026

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How to Keep Your Insanity In a Frustrating World.

Uncontrollable hygiene issues on the Jiu Jitsu mats?

Moral-driven altercations in public. What to do.

Feeling aimless in life, here's what to do.

Rebuilding your life after you messed it up.



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550: The Company Commander's Playbook for Leadership
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07/22/2026

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Using the Marine Corps Company Commander's Handbook as a guide, Jocko and Echo discuss what every leader should know before taking over a team: setting expectations, establishing a command philosophy, earning trust, leading through influence, and creating a culture where people thrive.



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Jocko Underground: Break The Cycle - Getting Over The Trauma of An Abusive Parent.
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07/20/2026

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Getting Over The Trauma of An Abusive Parent.

Should you get in shape before starting JiuJitsu?

What to do when your ex is publicly smearing your reputation.

How to get two groups to work together who don't like each other.

How to handle people around you who don't seem to care about your emotions.



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549: Everyone is Judging—and Being Judged. Breaking Down Self-Awareness, Humility, and Respect
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07/15/2026

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Everyone is judging—and being judged. Breaking down how self-awareness, humility, and respect determine your effectiveness as a leader, why perception matters, and how ego quietly destroys influence



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Jocko Underground: Is It Possible to Get The Actual Truth From Modern Media?
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07/13/2026

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Is It Possible to Get The Actual Truth From Modern Media?

How to prepare for a baby on the way.

Getting the most out of learning Jiu Jitsu moves as a beginner.

How to motivate a complacent person.

Chasing a risky dream when you have a stable job.



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548: The Importance of Morale and How to Develop It.
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07/08/2026

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The military review US Army Command and General Staff College, Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, again, November 1960Drawing from rarely discussed military journals written during the Cold War, Jocko and Echo explore the timeless principles behind morale, trust, courage, and why some leaders inspire extraordinary effort while others don't.



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Jocko Underground: What to do When Life Seems To Be Unsatisfying.
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07/06/2026

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What to do When Life Seems To Be Unsatisfying.

How to excel when you get promoted quickly.

Are you living life by any code?

Are you contemplating law enforcement?

The best way to get over a bad day on the mats and in life.



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547: How to Master Uncertainty. With (Ret) SEAL Commander, Rich Diviney
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07/01/2026

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Retired Navy SEAL officer Rich Diviney returns to break down why fear isn't the enemy—uncertainty is. From combat and BUD/S to business and everyday life, Rich explains practical methods for staying composed under pressure, overcoming anxiety, and performing when the stakes are highest.



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Jocko Underground: Getting Over Overwhelming Sadness and Guilt from Tragedy.
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06/29/2026

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Getting over overwhelming guilt from tragedy.

How should civilians respectfully ask veterans about their combat experiences without minimizing their sacrifices or making them uncomfortable?

As a new Navy chaplain, how can I best earn the trust of sailors and Marines while helping them through life's toughest challenges?

Should I transfer to another office that's better for my family even if it means leaving behind a mentor and a promising career path?

How should I handle living near a convicted child predator while protecting my family...


546: The Myth of Being in Control: Marine Corps Doctrine on Command and Control
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06/24/2026

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Why the best leaders stop trying to control everything. Jocko and Cory break down Marine Corps doctrine on command and control, explaining why decentralized leadership, trust, feedback, and initiative outperform micromanagement in business, combat, and life.



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Jocko Underground: Is It Reasonable to Relax Your Situational Awareness Sometimes?
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06/22/2026

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1. Sleep or Stay Alert?

Question: As a frequent traveler, how do you balance situational awareness with the need to sleep while traveling?

2. Is It Time to Leave Law Enforcement?

Question: With police officers increasingly being prosecuted after use-of-force incidents, when should an officer consider changing careers?


3. Missing the Team I Built

Question: After leaving a leadership role I built from the ground up for a larger company, why do I feel less fulfilled and how do I regain my motivation?<...


545: The Journey Through Pain, Purpose, and Resilience. With Mason Wright.
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06/17/2026

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Mason Wright ("Buff Runner") went from childhood trauma, loss, and depression to completing a 1,000-mile run around a high school track. In this conversation, he shares how sports saved him, how he survived some of the darkest moments of his life, and why suffering can become a tool for growth. A powerful discussion on resilience, discipline, and refusing to quit.



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544: How Good Men Lose Their Moral Compass
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06/10/2026

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Drawing from hard lessons learned during wartime, Jocko and Echo explore the psychological traps that cause individuals and organizations to drift from their values. A deep discussion on ethics, responsibility, leadership, and the warning signs that trouble is ahead.



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543: Don't Wait to Get Punched in the Face. The Best Way to Adapt And Learn.
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06/03/2026

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Jocko Underground: Losing My Faith in Humanity and The World.
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06/01/2026

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Losing My Faith in Humanity and The World.  Could you take a dangerous submission to the limit if you had to? Taking a promotion and more money but stress on the family. Should you move out of your town because of social political reasons? Can't seem to get into the shape I want to be in. Feeling a bit useless after service.



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542: Stronghold: War, Rescue, and Resistance. With Ephraim Mattos
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05/27/2026

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Ephraim Mattos explains how Stronghold Rescue & Relief trains local people to save lives in one of the world’s deadliest ongoing conflicts.


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Jocko Underground: When Your Disciplined Life Has Left You Lonely w/ No Social Connections
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05/25/2026

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When your disciplined lifestyle has left you lonely and lacking social connections.

Meeting The Standard To Be Prepared For Service And Life.

What to do: I committed my life to a career I don't like.

Establishing boundaries with parents and in-laws.

Moving to up to the "Political" level in your job--Things to be aware of.



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