I Don't Know Running

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By: Lewis Hayden and Mitch Brouwer

The I Don't Know Running podcast is about how we're all learning to run in some way or another. Whether you're just starting to run a mile or you've ran 100's of marathons and are now in the ultra world, this is for you. We all continue to learn and have something to share. So join us in the discussion and help us make everyone's running experience better. We will talk about our experiences, your experiences, gear, races, and much more.

Are Virtual Races the Future of Running? | IDKR Episode 175
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Virtual races exploded during the pandemic, but do they still have a place in the running world today? In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running Podcast, Louis and Mitch dive into the debate: Are virtual races just glorified training runs with medals—or do they provide real value, accessibility, and motivation for runners everywhere?

We share our own experiences with virtual marathons, discuss programs like the NYRR Virtual 6 and runDisney’s virtual series, and explore how these events can serve as gateways to in-person races, fundraising opportunities, and commun...


Is Running Addicting? | Finding Balance, Faith & the Runner’s High | IDKR Episode 174
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09/07/2025

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In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running podcast, Lewis and Mitch dive into the question: Is running addicting—or is it just part of who we are?

From the joy of small wins (like stringing together three miles after a long layoff) to the deep lows of injury, we explore how running can shape identity, regulate mood, and even become a coping mechanism. We also talk about:

📚 Ryan Hall’s book Run the Mile You’re In and the connection between faith and running

🤯 The science be...


AI Training Plans vs. Human Coaches (and Why UTMB’s Website Drives Us Crazy) | IDKR Episode 173
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08/31/2025

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In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running Podcast, Lewis and Mitch dive into a hot topic in the running world—AI training plans vs. hiring a coach. Can artificial intelligence really guide you through a 100K ultra, or is the wisdom and accountability of a human coach irreplaceable?

Along the way, Lewis shares updates from his California Fall Classic 100K training cycle, including how he’s handling knee flare-ups, back-to-back long runs, and even practicing “aid station” strategies with peanut butter & jelly sandwiches. Mitch opens up about his walk/run c...


Run-Walk Recovery, Zone 2 Training & Updates from the Trail | IDKR Podcast Episode 172
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08/24/2025

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This week on the I Don’t Know Running Podcast, Mitch shares his journey back from injury using a run-walk approach and the lessons he’s learning along the way. Meanwhile, Lewis dives into his 100K training, the grind of running in the summer heat, and why Zone 2 training has become the key to staying healthy.

We also cover:

Injury recovery, knee pain, and learning when to actually rest

How slowing down can make running more enjoyable (and social!)

Stretching & recovery routines that fit into real...


Stop Doing This on the Trails! | Trail Running Etiquette | IDKR Podcast Episode 171
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08/17/2025

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In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running Podcast, Lewis and Mitch dive into the unspoken (and sometimes ignored) rules of trail running. From yielding to uphill runners and bikers, to respecting horses, hikers, and even wildlife, we unpack what it means to be a good steward of the trails.

We also share stories of surprising encounters, muddy mistakes, headphone mishaps, and why respecting closures is so important for preserving the spaces we love. Whether you’re a seasoned ultrarunner or just hitting the dirt for the first time, thes...


First Ironman Journey + 130-Time Triathlete Stories | IDKR Podcast | Episode 170
08/10/2025

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In this episode of I Don’t Know Running, Lewis and Mitch sit down with Nick, who’s about to tackle his very first full Ironman after starting from ZERO just a year ago, and Susan, a legendary triathlete with over 130 full-distance races under her belt (and 400+ triathlons total!).

We talk training highs and lows, race-day nerves, unexpected challenges, and why the “witching hour” at the finish line is pure magic. Susan shares wild and hilarious stories from two decades of racing (including racing in heels!) and Nick reveals how he went fro...


Toenails, Vomit & Dehydration: How Far Would You Go to Finish an Ultra? | IDKR Podcast | Episode 169
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08/03/2025

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Would you pop a blister mid-race? Drain a hematoma on the trail? Peel off a black toenail just to keep moving? In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running Podcast, we dive into the wild (and sometimes gross) things ultrarunners do to get to the finish line.

We’re talking toenails, vomiting stories, hallucinations, dehydration struggles, and the fine line between being a badass and being reckless. Plus, we throw in a little Michigan accent lesson and a reminder that safety always comes first (even when you're tempted by the...


🎽 From Gear Fail to $900 Watch: How to Actually Research a Race | IDKR Podcast | Episode 168
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07/27/2025

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In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running Podcast, Lewis shares how one small heart rate monitor issue spiraled into a full-blown shopping spree—including a new Garmin watch, trail shoes, and more (thanks, Mark 😅).

Then, we break down the ultimate race research checklist—everything you should know before signing up for your next race:
✅ Where to find legit race info
✅ What every race website should include (but often doesn't)
✅ How to avoid race-day surprises (like no bathrooms or mystery start lines)
✅ Course maps, aid stations, crew ru...


Boston Changes the Rules! New Qualifying Standards Stir Controversy | IDKR Podcast | Episode 167
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07/20/2025

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Boston just shook the running world.

In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running podcast, Louis and Mitch dive deep into the Boston Marathon’s newly announced qualifying changes for 2027 — specifically targeting net downhill races like those in the REVEL series. From time penalties to outright disqualifications, these rule updates have serious implications for runners on the edge of qualifying.

We unpack:

What the new qualifying tiers mean (5- and 10-minute penalties)

Why races like REVEL Big Bear, Mount Charleston, and CIM are direct...


Back to the Start: Signing Up for a 100K After a Long Break | IDKR Podcast | Episode 166
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07/13/2025

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After a year off from consistent running, Lewis shares the aha moment that reignited his passion—and led him to sign up for the California Fall Classic 100K. From dealing with injury, rediscovering motivation, and booking last-minute flights, to breaking down a 15-week ultra training plan, this episode dives into the mindset, mistakes, and excitement that come with getting back on the trail.

Mitch and Lewis unpack the highs and lows of making a big commitment, discuss race logistics, and reflect on what it takes to balance work, life, and ultra ru...


Western States Mayhem: Near Records, Meltdowns & Massive Comebacks - IDKR Podcast | Episode 165
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07/06/2025

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This week on the I Don't Know Running Podcast, Lewis and Mitch dive into one of the most exciting Western States Endurance Runs in recent memory! 🏃‍♂️🔥 From Caleb Olson's near-record finish and Killian Jornet's incredible comeback, to Mitch’s return to running (kind of) and Lewis’ big plans—this episode is packed with updates, insight, laughs, and just enough cautionary advice about training too hard too soon.

We also talk about:
✅ The top 10 men’s and women’s results
✅ FKTs and what happened with John Kelly
✅ Pacers vs. no pacers at the elite level...


He’s Chasing the Fastest Appalachian Trail Record | I Don’t Know Running Podcast - Episode 164
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06/29/2025

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Could YOU run 70 miles a day for over a month? 😳 In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running podcast, we dive into the world of FKTs (Fastest Known Times), highlighting the legendary Appalachian Trail—2,190+ miles of rugged terrain from Georgia to Maine.

We break down what an FKT actually is, the difference between unsupported, self-supported, and supported runs, and how runners like John Kelly, Scott Jurek, and Jennifer Pharr Davis have etched their names into endurance history. John Kelly is currently on the trail right now attempting to beat the ove...


Losing Running: When Injury Shakes Your Identity | Episode 163
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06/22/2025

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In this deeply personal episode of the I Don’t Know Running podcast, Mitch opens up about the mental, emotional, and physical toll of losing something that once defined him—running.

After years of racing, training, and building a lifestyle around the sport, a series of health challenges forced Mitch to face life without running. From walking the neighborhood to battling unknown medical issues, to dealing with the weight of identity loss and emotional burnout—this episode is raw, honest, and incredibly relatable for anyone who's ever had something they love taken...


Why Western States 100 Gives Us All the Feels | Race Preview + Big News! IDKR Podcast | Episode 162
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06/15/2025

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Western States season is here, and we are fired up! In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running podcast, Lewis and Mitch dive deep into what makes the Western States 100 the most iconic ultra of them all—from personal memories to the 2024 race preview.

We talk Killian’s return, Walmsley’s surprising drop, the rise of 70+ age group finishers (including an 80-year-old!), and predictions for the men’s and women’s podiums. Plus, we break down Brian Steinberg’s incredible 5-hour YouTube documentary and share how you could pace Killian Jornet...


These 10 Marathons Are Totally Insane — Would You Run Them?! | IDKR Podcast | Episode 161
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06/08/2025

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In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running podcast, we dive into 10 of the most unique marathons in the world — from sipping wine in France to dodging giraffes in Kenya, running under the midnight sun in Norway, and freezing your toes off in Antarctica.

🏃 Mitch also shares his experience spectating the Bayshore Marathon (and why he didn’t love it), and we celebrate a friend’s epic Boston Qualifier!

Whether you're looking for your next bucket list race or just love hearing about the wildest ways people cover 26.2...


🎽 How to Run a Marathon on a Budget | Save Big Without Skimping on Your Race! | Episode 160
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06/01/2025

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Is running a marathon breaking your bank? 🏦 Not anymore. In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running Podcast, Lewis and Mitch break down how to train and race without draining your wallet. From cheap fueling tips and free training plans to smart gear hacks and race entry strategies, they share real-world ideas that actually work—even if you're a "lazy ultrarunner" just getting back in the game.

💸 Learn how to:
– Fuel your training on a tight budget
– Find the best cheap or free running shoes, gear, and supplements


🎯 Finding Joy Beyond the Finish Line | I Don’t Know Running Podcast | Episode 159
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05/25/2025

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Can you still love running when you're not chasing a PR? Absolutely.
In this episode, Lewis and Mitch dive into how to rediscover joy in the journey—not just the destination. Whether you're toeing the line at your first 5K or your 50th ultra, this conversation is for anyone learning how to run for fun, community, mental health, and personal growth.

🗣️ We also respond to listener feedback from California about Courtney Dauwalter and talk stats, 200-mile race history, and why we’re all still learning—even the elites.

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Conquering the Manitou Incline: The Steepest Mile You’ll Ever Hike | IDKR Podcast | Episode 158
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05/18/2025

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In this episode of the I Don't Know Running podcast, we take a deep dive into one of the most grueling and iconic endurance challenges in the U.S.—the Manitou Springs Incline in Colorado. With 2,744 steps, a 2,000 ft elevation gain, and an average 45% grade (peaking at 68%!), this isn't your average “short” hike.

Join Lewis and Mitch as they unpack the incline's wild history, personal stories (like competitive friends drama on the stairs), and staggering stats—like the guy who climbed it 1,825 times in a year 😳. Whether you’re into FKTs, run streaks...


Inside the Cocodona 250: Course Records, Crazy Weather & Ultra Drama| | Episode 157
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05/11/2025

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This week on the I Don't Know Running Podcast, we're diving deep into one of the most epic ultramarathons out there — the Cocodona 250. From record-breaking performances to wild weather swings and strategic 10-minute trail naps, this race has it all.

We cover:
🏔️ What makes this 250+ mile race so iconic
🏃 Course record highlights from Dan Green and Rachel Entin
🌩️ The impact of Arizona’s unpredictable weather
💤 Sleep strategy hacks during multi-day ultras
❌ Courtney Dauwalter’s shocking DNF
🚫 Lewis’ unfortunate pest control salesman incident 😬

Plus: We’ll talk live tracking drama...


Lunch Money, Lobster Butter & Running Motivation | I Don't Know Running Ep. 156
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05/04/2025

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This week on I Don’t Know Running, Lewis admits he's a lazy ultrarunner with lunch money and Mitch just wants better coffee. But don’t worry—we eventually get to the topic: staying consistent with your running!

We break down the real reasons why consistency matters, how it affects your physical, mental, and emotional health, and how to overcome the common motivation killers like bad weather, family schedules, and that comfy couch. Plus, strategies that actually work—from setting realistic goals and tracking progress to embracing variety and finding your "why."


Running with Dogs, Internet Comments, and Grumpy Old Men Vibes | IDKR Podcast | Episode 155
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04/27/2025

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Welcome back to the I Don't Know Running Podcast! This week, Lewis and Mitch are bringing the energy — talking about grumpy old men vibes, hilarious listener comments, and why running with your dog might just be the best thing ever. 🐕🏃‍♂️

We kick things off with a shoutout to James is Talking — a fellow runner sharing his journey on YouTube. Be sure to check out his channel here: James is Talking YouTube Channel! https://www.youtube.com/@UCEYTPodaWbzoDbnPtZUy9Sg 

Then we dive into real talk about running with your dog: tips to get start...


Running Then vs Now: How 5Ks, Marathons & Races Have Totally Changed | Episode 154
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04/20/2025

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From the gritty 5Ks of the '70s to the virtual races of today, running has come a long way—and we’re breaking it all down. In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running Podcast, Lewis and Mitch continue their generational deep dive, this time focusing on how running events have changed over the decades.

We cover everything from:

The classic era of local road races

The marathon boom of the 2000s

The rise of themed races and fun runs

Gen Z’...


Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z: Who Runs It Best? 🏃‍♂️💬 | Episode 153
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04/13/2025

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In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running Podcast, Lewis and Mitch dive into the generational divide in running. From vintage sweatshirts to Nike shoe pods, we explore how Gen X, Millennials, and Gen Z approach running—motivations, tech, fashion, races, and more.

Who’s running for mental health? Who’s chasing PRs? And who’s just trying to make it through the week in New Balance and jean shorts?

We’re not here to judge (okay maybe a little), but we are here to laugh, compare notes, and s...


🎙️ Marathon Gear & Pre-Race Jitters: What You Really Need to Know! IDKR Podcast | Episode 152
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04/06/2025

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📦 What's in your race day bag? In this episode of the I Don’t Know Running Podcast, Lewis and Mitch dive deep into the essential marathon gear every runner needs and get real about the pre-race jitters we all feel—yes, even seasoned marathoners! From shoes and socks to nipple guards and positive self-talk, we’re covering it all (with the usual laughs and randomness, of course).

🎯 Whether you’re prepping for your first marathon or your fifteenth, we’ve got tips to help you feel more confident, calm those nerves, and avoid common...


📉 Running Myths Busted! | Marathon Training Misconceptions Debunked | Episode 151
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03/30/2025

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In this episode of The I Don't Know Running Podcast, Lewis and Mitch are back—boot-free (almost) and ready to talk about the training myths that runners hear all the time. Do you really need to run every day? Will more miles actually make you better? Does stretching actually prevent injury?

We dig into the good, the bad, and the funny when it comes to common running advice. From marathon-specific myths to general training misconceptions, we’re sharing what we’ve learned (and laughed at) along the way.

📌 Topics we hit:<...


Her First Black Canyon 100k..After Two "Failed" 100Ks | Brutal Course, Big Redemption | Episode 150
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03/23/2025

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In this episode of *The I Don’t Know Running Podcast*, we sit down with returning guest Shawn as she shares her powerful story of finally conquering the 100k distance at The Black Canyon 100K in Arizona! 🏃‍♀️🌵 

From past DNF setbacks to training challenges in snowy Michigan, Shawn opens up about the highs, lows, and everything in between—including hydration mistakes, nutrition struggles, the stunning Arizona desert views, and how she *never gave up* even when things got rough. 

🎯 Topics covered: 
- Lessons learned from Woodstock 100K DNF 
- What it’s really...


Why Trail Running is BOOMING in 2025! 🌲🏃‍♂️ | Episode 149
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03/16/2025

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Trail running is on the rise, and in this episode of The I Don’t Know Running Podcast, we dive into the stats proving it! 📈🏃‍♀️ With participation skyrocketing, races getting longer, and more runners shifting from road to trail, we explore why this trend is set to explode in 2025.

Along the way, Lewis shares his eventful morning (featuring dog poop and a high-speed Audi ride), Mitch updates us on his recovery and first steps, and we discuss just how tough it is to get into the New York City Marathon.

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🚀 Run Longer, Feel Stronger! How to Run Without Getting Tired (Even Beginners!) 🏃‍♂️💨 | Episode 148
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03/09/2025

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Ever wondered how to run without getting tired? In this episode of the I Don't Know Running Podcast, we dive into strategies for beginners looking to run longer with less fatigue. From pacing techniques and mindset shifts to nutrition and recovery, we cover everything you need to know—whether you're training for your first mile or tackling an ultra marathon.

🏃‍♂️ Key Topics Covered:
✔️ How beginners can build endurance
✔️ The importance of pacing and gradual progression
✔️ Nutrition, hydration, and sleep for optimal performance
✔️ Running strategies for half marathons, marathons, and ultras
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How to Improve Your Running Form & Maybe Even Break a World Record! 🏃‍♂️🎯 | Episode 147
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03/02/2025

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In this episode of The I Don’t Know Running Podcast, we’re diving into essential running techniques that can make your runs more enjoyable and efficient—whether you’re just getting started or looking to improve! 🏃‍♀️💨

From posture and breathing to foot strike and knee drive, we cover practical tips that can help you feel better and go farther. Plus, we go down some hilarious rabbit holes about bizarre world records (caterpillar marathons, anyone? 🐛) and dream up some creative ways to make running even more entertaining.

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🏃‍♂️ Breaking Records & Bouncing Back – A Runner’s Road to Recovery! 🏅 IDKR Podcast 🎙️| Episode 146
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02/23/2025

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In this episode of The I Don’t Know Running Podcast, we dive into Mitch’s challenging road to recovery after Achilles surgery—complete with crutch mishaps, stair struggles, and a tricked-out knee scooter. 🏥💪

But that’s not all! We also geek out over the insane records being shattered in February, including Jacob Kiplimo’s mind-blowing half marathon time and Grant Fisher’s dominance on the track. How fast is too fast? And could YOU walk a 5K faster than a runner? 🤯

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🏃‍♂️ How to Find the Perfect Running Shoes | I Don’t Know Running Podcast 🎙️ | Episode 145
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02/16/2025

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Welcome back to *The I Don’t Know Running Podcast*! 🏃‍♂️🎙️ This week, Lewis and Mitch take on one of the most essential topics for runners—**how to find the right running shoe**. Whether you’re a beginner runner or training for your first marathon, getting the right shoes can make or break your experience.  

### **In this episode:**  
✔️ Why the right shoes matter (and how they protect you from injuries).  
✔️ The types of running shoes: cushioned, stability, minimalist, and more.  
✔️ Key features to look for: fit, breathability, durability, and foam types.  
✔️ Common mistakes...


😂 The 30 Funniest Running Excuses (You’ve Definitely Used Some!) IDKR Podcast 🎙️ | Episode 144
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02/09/2025

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Welcome back to The I Don’t Know Running Podcast! 🏃‍♂️🎙️ In this lighthearted episode, Lewis and Mitch break down the funniest (and sometimes relatable) excuses runners use to procrastinate or avoid hitting the pavement. Whether it's “It’s too hot,” “I’ll run later,” or even “I’m in the middle of buying a KFC franchise,” we've heard (and used) them all. 😂

PLUS:

We rank the Top 30 excuses, throwing out the worst ones (sorry, dolphins 🐬).
Share tips to overcome procrastination.
Introduce a Running Excuses Bingo for your group runs (check the link below)! 🖨️


🏃‍♂️ Controversial Houston Half Finish & The Crazy Chipotle Challenge 2025! 🌯🔥 | Episode 143
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02/02/2025

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Welcome back to The I Don't Know Running Podcast! 🏃‍♂️🎙️ Today, Lewis (the self-proclaimed lazy ultra runner) and Mitch dive into two big running stories:

1️⃣ The controversial Houston Half Marathon finish—did Conner Mantz get robbed? We break down the final moments, the Olympic qualifier implications, and what it means for American distance running. 🇺🇸🏆 

2️⃣ The Chipotle Segment Challenge 2025—thousands of runners are chasing burritos one 0.2-mile segment at a time! 🌯 We list the wildest numbers, the craziest runners, and whether it’s really worth running hundreds of miles for free Chipotle. (Spoiler: Probably not, but it’...


Running a Marathon with NO Training? Here’s What to Expect | Episode 142
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01/26/2025

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In this episode of the “I Don’t Know Running” podcast, Lewis and Mitch talk about taking on a marathon without proper training—yes, it’s possible, but is it worth it? They discuss why someone might end up running 26.2 miles on a whim, how to mentally prep for the pain you’ll face, and tips on pacing, fueling, and staying motivated if you’re going into race day underprepared. Mitch also shares updates on upcoming races he’ll miss (like the Groundhog Marathon) and the idea of tackling an epic 100-mile race in the future. T...


Marathon Training 101: Mitch’s Bingo Moment, Fueling Tips, and Race-Day Readiness | Episode 141
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01/19/2025

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Welcome back to the “I Don’t Know Running” podcast! In this episode, Lewis and Mitch kick things off with a hilarious story about a Bingo card floating around at Mitch’s expense. They then continue their deep dive into marathon training tips for beginners—covering everything from fueling and hydration strategies to pacing, gear selection, and race-day preparation. Mitch also opens up about his upcoming surgery, deferring races, and how he plans to stay motivated until he can hit the pavement again. Whether you’re a seasoned runner or gearing up for your very fi...


Should You Run A Marathon? | Episode 140
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01/12/2025

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Should You Run A Marathon? | I Don't Know Running Podcast

In this episode of the "I Don't Know Running" podcast, we dive deep into the journey of marathon training. From navigating tough training plans to the rewarding experience of crossing the finish line, we cover it all. Learn how to set realistic goals, find the right training plan, and avoid common pitfalls like overtraining and injury. We also share personal anecdotes from our marathon experiences, discussing the physical and mental challenges faced around mile 18 to 22. Join us as we discuss the...


How To Start Your Running Journey | Episode 139
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01/05/2025

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How to Start Your Running Journey | I Don't Know Running Podcast

Welcome to the "I Don't Know Running" podcast! In this episode, Lewis and Mitch dive into how to start your running journey, perfect for those looking to make running a part of their life in the new year. Whether you're a complete beginner or returning after a break, they share essential tips to make running enjoyable and sustainable. From setting goals, finding the right plan, and getting motivated with races and running groups, to the importance of proper gear and...


What Do You Wear - Nike, Hoka, Brooks And Is Running Getting Faster Or Slower? | Episode 138
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12/22/2024

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Running times would appear to be getting faster with all the records being broken and some of the fastest times being logged in the last couple years overall. But is that what the numbers really show when you look at the entire body of running?  And how are shoes a part of that? And what shoes do you race in? Who leads the list of top racing shoe?

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Chicago Marathon Lottery Record and Running Growth Spurt | Episode 137
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12/15/2024

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This year a record 160,000 people put in to run the Chicago Marathon and next year will see a record 53,000 runners take to the roads to attempt it. Running all over seems to be booming again and we talk about a few of the things helping that growth.

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The Christmas List For Your Runner In 2024! | Episode 136
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12/08/2024

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With Christmas right around the corner here's your chance to grab some last minute gifts for the runner in your life. From major gifts to stocking stuffers this will help you make your runner happy on Christmas morning. This is also a great time to let your runner try some new things out that they wouldn't normally buy for themselves.

Also...Remember...Peace and Patience in the Christmas Holiday season.

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