Dirty Moderate with Adam Epstein
Dirty Moderate showcases the people who cut through the nails-on-a-chalkboard din of the modern-day American political scene. We promote rigorous analysis and lively debate with individuals on both sides of the aisle and beyond. Our host, Adam Epstein, is a 12 time, Tony Award-winning former Broadway powerhouse producer turned political provocateur. Adam can go toe-to-toe with anyone on politics as he did on Trish Regan Primetime every Thursday night in 2019 as the lone non-conservative panelist, delivering his centrist perspective with grit, intellectual prowess, and undeniable charm. Guests of the podcast range in perspective by design, and no two conversations are alike...
Shabbos Kestenbaum

Shabbos Kestenbaum is a graduate student at Harvard University, researching the intersections between between public policy and contemporary Jewish life in the United States. Shabbos is the lead plaintiff against Harvard University alleging pervasive and systemic antisemitism. Shabbos has appeared on CNN, Fox News, and in The New York Times, and has testified in front of the United States Congress, among other forums, to advocate for the American Jewish community. Currently, Shabbos is working with Congress to pass major pieces of legislation to combat antisemitism.
Adam and Shabbos sit down to discuss the raging antisemitism on college...
Michael Steele

When he was elected Lt. Governor of Maryland in 2003, Michael Steele made history as the first African American elected to statewide office; and again with his subsequent chairmanship of the Republican National Committee in 2009.
A longtime political analyst and contributor to MSNBC, Michael is currently the co-host of MSNBCâs âThe Weekend,â which airs Saturdays and Sundays at 8AM EST.
Having recently appeared on Michaelâs podcast âThe Michael Steele Podcast,â Adam turns the tables and is able to ask Michael all about his life , his time as the first black party chairman for the RNC, the raci...
Ron Reagan

Ron Reagan, the son of former President Ronald Reagan and Nancy Reagan, grew up in Los Angeles and Sacramento while his father served as Governor of California from 1967-1975.
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After a brief career as a classical ballet dancer, Ron Reagan has spent the past 40 years as a correspondent, host and political commentator in television and radio, chiefly for MSNBC and Air America. He has written for many publications â Esquire, Newsweek, The New Yorker and Playboy among them â and is the author of the New York Times bestseller, My Father at 100. He is a board member of the Freed...
John Pavlovitz

John Pavlovitz is a writer, pastor, and activist from Wake Forest, North Carolina.Â
John was one of our very first guests on Dirty Moderate over 2 years ago, and we were thrilled to spend time with this deep thinking, generous, loving, and spirited human again.Â
A 25-year veteran in the trenches of local church ministry, John is committed to equality, diversity, and justiceâboth inside and outside faith communities. His work is a testament to finding meaning not only in our politics but in our lives.Â
Johnâs latest book, âWorth Fighting Forâ is a primer for...
Stella O'Malley

Stella is an Irish psychotherapist who had her own intense experience with gender as a child, and the resolution of her gender distress has made her curious about the wisdom of early intervention. As a result, in addition to facilitating a parent coaching
site that provides practical help to parents who are navigating their childâs gender-related distress, and acting as the presenter for the documentary, âTrans Kids: Itâs Time to Talk (2018), Stella is the director of Genspect, an international organization that offers a healthy approach to sex and gender.
Stella is the co-author of a 2023...
Reed Galen

Reed Galen is a co-founder of The Lincoln Project, host of the Lincoln Project podcast and author of The HomeFront Substack, and a self-proclaimed Cassandra.
Reed is an independent political strategist who has spent years advising Fortune 500 companies, and has also worked on several prominent republican campaigns.
He joins Adam to assess the Never Trump movement( of which they are both part) from 30,000 feet and the precariousness of democracy. How will Trumpâs legal predicaments affect his electoral fate? What percentage of independent/Haley voters does Biden need to win re-election? Is to easier to ru...
William Inboden

William Inboden is Professor and Director of the Alexander Hamilton Center for Classical and Civic Education at the University of Florida, and Peterson Senior Fellow with the Kissinger Center for Global Affairs, Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. He joins Adam in a discussion centering around his latest book
âThe Peacemaker: Ronald Reagan in the White House and the World.â
Inbodenâs masterly book provides a definitive account of Reaganâs strategic approach to diplomacy, his nuanced statecraft, and the impact of his decisions on the global stage. This compe...
Alana Newhouse, Tablet Magazine
Alana Newhouse is an American writer and editor. She is the founder of Tablet magazine, a dynamic hub of Jewish life, which features news, essays, podcasts and opinion pieces.
In November 2022, Alana wrote an essay for Tablet called âBrokenism.â The essay remains deeply compelling because, as Alana argues, that âthe real debate today isnât between the left and the right . Itâs between those invested in our current institutions, and those who want to build anew.â
This is a must read essay and Alana and Adam use this piece as a springboard to discuss ou...
Mona Charen

Mona Charen is a conservative American journalist, columnist, commentator and best selling author. She is the Policy Editor of The Bulwark, and host of the Beg to Differ podcast, which you need to subscribe to immediately. Â
Mona fell hard for William F. Buckley as a teenager, and her first job was as editorial assistant at his National Review. She went on to write speeches for first lady Nancy Reagan and then for the Gipper himself. Looking toward the 1988 race, Vice President George H.W. Bush wasnât conservative enough for her. Fast forward through 4 best selling books (see...
Iran vs. Israel

As the host of the podcast History of the Land of Israel, and his own YouTube show, Israel Explained, Shaiel Ben-Ephraim spends his time thinking about Israel and assessing Israelâs long term goals. Given Iranâs attack on Israel, we invited Shaiel back to Dirty Moderate so he and Adam could discuss the implications of Iran launching drones and missiles, including ballistic ones, directly at Israel for the first time in Israelâs history. What does this mean for the stability of the region( or instability?)Â
Arab nations like Jordan and Saudi Arabia joined Irael in interce...
Mike Gonzalez of The Heritage Foundation

Mike Gonzalez is the Angeles T Arredondo E Pluribus Unum Senior Fellow at The Heritage Foundation. He is a longtime journalist who currently writes for The Washington Examiner. Prior to that, he wrote for the Wall Street Journal, where he was based in Hong Kong.Â
Mike is an ardent conservative and he sees the re-election of Trump as the only stopgap against the progressive onslaught of the left. His latest book is âNextGen Marxism: What it is and How to Combat it,â which might as well his own ideological manifesto.
Mike and Adam donât agree o...
Joseph Ellis

George Washington claimed that anyone who attempted to provide an accurate account of the war for independence would be accused of writing fiction.
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At the time, no one called it the âAmerican Revolutionâ: former colonists still regarded themselves as Virginians or Pennsylvanians, not Americans, while John Adams insisted that the British were the real revolutionaries, for attempting to impose radial change without their colonistsâ consent.
With his latest book, The Cause, Joseph J. Ellis sits down with Adam and discusses how his book takes a fresh look at the events between 1773 and 1783, recovering a war mo...
Yasmine Mohammed-Unveiled

As a young girl born in Canada, Yasmine Mohammed was born into a strict Islamic household. If she missed a word of her Koran readings, she was beat until her feet were bloody and raw. And the Canadian government said there was nothing they could do to help her. âThis is your culture,â they smugly told her.Â
But Yasmine escaped the horrors of her childhood and the strictures of her faith to emerge as an important spokesperson for women everywhere, especially lapsed Muslims who have also been emancipated from the patriarchal, repressive dogma of Radic...
Damon Linker
Damon Linker, is a writer for the Atlantic and is a senior lecturer in political science at the University of Pennsylvania. He also writes the Substack newsletter âNotes from the Middlegroundâ and is an Open Society Project senior fellow at the Niskanen Center.
Damon joins Adam to discuss his latest article for the Atlantic, "The Dead-Enders of the Reagan-Era GOP"Â in which Damon argues that Mike Pence's non-endorsement of Donald Trump only underlines how irrevocably the Republican Party has left traditional conservatism behind and embraces populism.Â
Donât miss Damonâs conversation with Adam about how...
David French

New York Times columnist David French joins Adam to discuss the role of religion in public life, and he offers up a unique portal into the pro-life movement, and its perils in the aftermath of Roe. David discusses the important role of the courts, and especially the critical role of the Supreme Court, in securing( or not securing) the guardrails against a Trump/MAGA led assault on our institutions and norms.Â
David is an expert on the law, faith and politics, Prior to his being at the Times, David was at Dispatch, which he helped launch, and T...
Steve Schmidt

As arguably the pre-eminent voice warning about the dangers of Donald Trump, longtime political operative Steve Schmidt needs no introduction.
But in case you have been abducted by aliens, Steve is the founder, author and host of The Warning, a digital media company comprised of a daily newsletter, podcast and video analysis on his YouTube channel.
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Through The Warning, Schmidt discusses the events that are shaping our times and the unseen forces shaping American culture and politics that are rarely discussed on cable news.Schmidt is recognized for his part in the 2008 U.S. election cycle, serving a...
It's America or Trump; you can't have both
Itâs not playtime in America. Itâs high time in America that we all stand up for democracy. Itâs gonna take all of us, especially independents like myself who will back Biden in November because thatâs putting America first. Itâs America or Trump; you canât have both.âŚÂ
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Noah Rothman

Noah Rothman is an author and conservative thinker who is a Senior Writer for National Review, and whose recent bestseller, âThe Rise of the New Puritans: Fighting Back Against Progressivesâ War on Fun,â is the chief subject of the second episode of our new series Dirty Moderate After Dark.
Adam and Noah do a deep dive into the origins of Puritan thought, and they detail the odd, and very uniquely American way in which Puritanical thinking is embedded into our cultural and political tapestry. Whatâs more, No...
Tina Nguyen-The MAGA Diaries

Tina Nguyen is a national correspondent for Puck covering the world of Donald Trump and the American right for their The Best & The Brightest newsletter. Previously, Nguyen was a White House reporter for Politico, a staff reporter for Vanity Fair Hive, and an editor at Mediaite.
Her new book, The MAGA Diaries: My Surreal Adventures Inside the Right-Wing (And How I Got Out) is a dazzling memoir of Tinaâs fast, furious, stressful and altogether bonkers time in the world of the Conservative movement long before it was destroyed and devoured by Trumpworld.Â
Tina talks to...
Philip K. Howard

Philip K. Howard is a lawyer, author and chair of Common Good (www.commongood.org), a nonpartisan organization aimed at replacing red tape with human responsibility and agency.Â
In his discussion with Adam, Philip discusses his latest book âEveryday Freedom: Designing the Framework for a Flourishing Society,â which argues that the post 1960âs legal framework which has guided government policy for 60 years has been a failure. Philip persuasively argues that humans have been disempowered and common sense has been thrown out the window. Inertia and powerlessness have overtaken our politics because so called âgood governmentâ has come to be synon...
James Kirchick

James Kirchick is a columnist for Tablet magazine, a writer at large for Air Mail, and author of the instant New York Times bestseller, Secret City: The Hidden History of Gay Washington. Jamie( as he is known,) sits down with Adam and details why he wrote âSecret City,â discusses his longtime interest in Cold War history and assesses the intersection of anti-Communist and anti-gay hysteria and the toll it took on so many gay people in gover...
Israel explained with Shaiel Ben-Ephraim

As the host of the podcast History of the Land of Israel, and his own YouTube show, Israel Explained, Shaiel Ben-Ephraim spends his time thinking about Israel, assessing Israelâs long term goals and strategies and nuancing a discussion about Israel and the Palestinians which blessedly sheds more light than heat.
A self described âLiberal Zionist,â Shaiel sits down with Adam to discuss his time as a young man working in intelligence for the IDF, the current state of Israelâs war with Hamas, the necessity of a demilitarized and self governing Palestinian state, and the fraught legacy o...
Commentator and Press Secretary- Kaivan Shroff
 At once passionate and eloquent, Kaivan Shroff may just be the Democratic Partyâs most effective communicator. A onetime digital strategist for Hillary Clinton, Kaivan is now the Press Secretary for Dream for America, a Gen-Z movement for freedom, democracy, & progressive government.Â
As a regular pundit and commentator, Kaivan regularly and forcefully makes the case for Bidenâs re-election. Kaivan sits down with Adam and they engage in a spirited conversation about all things Democratic, political and of course, democracy.
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Listen to Adamâ...
Immigration breakdown-Special edition of Stay Dirty, Stay Moderate
Before we all settle in to watch Taylor Swift at the Super Bowl, check out Adamâs recent discussion about immigration with the second best blonde of the day, his Executive Producer, Dawn Sorokin in this special edition of Stay Dirty, Stay Moderate Â
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Gazing into the 2024 Election with Kyle Kondik
With the 2024 election less than a year away, Kyle Kondick, managing editor of Sabatoâs Crystal Ball, the University of Virginia Center for Politicsâ nonpartisan election forecasting newsletter joins the podcast to look at our electoral landscapeâboth presidential and congressionalâfrom 30,000 feet. Have a listen as Kyle and Adam discuss Bidenâs vulnerabilities as an incumbent, the precarious senate map for Democrats and whether or not the youth vote can really tip the scales next year at the ballot box.Â
All things Kyle here:Â
https://www.kylekondik.com/
Kyle on X:Â
@kkondik
Chec...
Dirty Moderate After Dark with Ross Kaminsky

A Libertarian and a Dirty Moderate have drinks After Dark
KOA Colorado Talk Show Host and longtime friend of Dirty Moderate , Ross Kaminsky returns to the podcast for a special, boozy episode. Swiveling bourbon as they shoot the shit about the shitshow that is todayâs politics, Ross joins Adam for a sprawling convo about Trump v Biden, Trumpâs many legal challenges, and the state of our perilous world, especially since the recent killing of 3 American soldiers by an Iranian backed terrorist proxy. As always, Ross persuasively makes the case for a libertarian America and...
Joe Walsh-An overdue and meaty conversation
Joe is a true patriot and a helluva great guy. Glad to be in the fight against that giant, dangerous, orange wanna be king with him. Do not miss this one!Â
When you finish listening to Joe on Dirty Moderate, head over to his amazing podcast White Flag and give him a Follow on X/Twitter @walshfreedom
We are covering the election through to the end, folks, so subscribe, follow, chime in and for goodness sake, please be registered to VOTE!
Stay dirty stay moderate, and stay safe. www.dirtymoderate.com @dirty_mo...
Adam Kinzinger is a Dirty Moderate
When it comes to profiles in courage, few people fit the description more aptly than former Illinois Congressman Adam Kinzinger, who also happens to be a quintessential Dirty Moderate! Â
In opposing all things Trump, he put country over party and made a robust defense on behalf of democracy a cornerstone of his political identity. Bravo, sir.
His new book, âRenegade: Defending Democracy and Liberty In Our Divided Country,â charts Kinzingerâs journey from a 20 year old member of the County Board to his service in the Air Force in Afghanistan and Iraq, to his election to Cong...
Denver Riggleman- General of the Sodomite Army?
Intelligence officer, former Congressman, Jan 6 data analyst, whiskey distillery owner and genuine raconteur, Denver Riggleman, joins the podcast for an insightful, epically entertaining and scathing takedown of all things Trump, MAGA, authoritarian as well as all the other BS infecting our politics today. His book, The Breach: The Untold Story of the Investigation into January 6th will literally blow your mind. Riggleman is nothing if not a gadfly and a truth-teller and this episode is not to be missed!
Also not to be missed is the tantalizing array of spirits Denver, his wife Christine and a gaggle...
When you are young, they assume you know nothing
When you are young, they assume you know nothing-Travis Kelce's girlfriend
At only 16 years old, yes you read that correctly, William He has founded Dream4 America, a Gen Z-led non-profit founded in 2023 dedicated to mobilizing Americaâs students to promote the principles of freedom, democracy, & progressive government.
Born as a progressive counterpoint to Turning Point USA, the conservative youth movement founded by Right wing darling, Charlie Kirk, Dream4America advocates for what it calls âThe Zoomerâs New Deal,â taking inspiration from FDR's New Deal. The program is a list of demands f...
Voting Rights and Civic Re-engagement
Desmond Meade's life story has been one of pain, perseverance, and finally, triumph. From a drug addicted felon waiting for a train to jump in front of to heading up the groundbreaking Florida Rights Restoration Coalition which has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize this year for:
"their work in building democracies, supporting the human right to representation by government, and working towards a better organized and peaceful world."
Desmond, like FRRC is a force to be reckoned with. The nonprofitâs greatest success was the overwhelming passage of Amendment 4, the initiative that represented the...
Israel Roundtable with Dara Horn and Ethan Chorin
 Jewish Americans - much like the U.S. public overall â hold widely differing views on Israel and its political leadership. Israeli domestic policies and the Palestinian-Israeli conflict generate fiery attitudes toward Israel during peace time, and after the brutal Hamas attacks on Israel of October 7, feelings have intensified. And rightly so. We invited 2 brilliant individuals, with deeply learned understandings of the complexities in the region on the show to have a roundtable discussion with Adam about Israel ,hoping to peel back some layers and get to the heart of the conflict. Boy, did we ever.
We lived up...
When Stuart speaks
Stuart Stevens , Senior Adviser to the Lincoln Project, and longtime GOP campaign advisor and guru joins the podcast to talk with Adam about his new book:Â
The Conspiracy to End America
Five Ways My Old Party Is Driving Our Democracy to Autocracy
Apart from their discourse on the dangers of democracy, Stuart and Adam lament the collapse of the party of the once, great party of Lincoln into a Trumpian puddle.
Pull up a chair and lean in to this to admitted political nerdfest covering presidential history, the Democratsâs political inco...
Can non-partisan primaries Unite America?
Dr. Richard Barton is a Democracy Fellow at Unite America and a professor at Syracuse Universityâs Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs. He has a PhD in Government from Cornell University, and his research examines how electoral and legislative institutions shape lawmaking in Congress and the American Political Economy.Â
Israel from 30,000ft
Over the last three decades, Ethan Chorin has had an extraordinary view of developments in the Middle East and Africa as an American diplomat, oil and ports executive and advisor to senior government officials. We invited Ethan to return to the show to discuss his thoughts on the events unfolding after the Hamas attack on Israel.
You may remember Ethanâs first appearance on the show last October (Episode 70). when he joined Adam in conversation about the incredible book he wrote after witnessing first hand the fiasco in Benghazi:
Benghazi!: A New History of th...
Talkin' Israel w Corey Nathan
We have been clear since minute one of this most recent attack on Israel.
Never Trump. Never Hamas. Always Democracy.Â
Over the latest seven decades, war and conflict between Israelis and Palestinian terror organizations-currently Hamas- has resulted in countless lives lost, electrified the wider Middle East, and drawn global powers into the scenario time and time again. Last week, vicious stormtrooper styled attacks continued the spiral  into a seemingly never ending cycle of violence, hatred, pain and strife.Â
Itâs a lot to comprehend. Itâs a lot to bear both as a Jew and...
Hell is empty and all the devils are here.
Adam on Israel.Â
For more on the atrocities in Israel both modern day and historical join us in unabashedly standing up for Israel and our fight to save democracy by becoming a member of the Dirty Moderate Nation. @dirtymoderate
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2 cousins walk in to a podcast...
Sit in on a chat between two brilliant, ambitious and talented podcast hosts -who happen to be cousins- discussing a wild and wonderful journey from Miami to Harvard to the UK and back again, with a few life changing choices, internships, kids, and a lot of coffee along the wayâŚ
Adamâs beloved cousin, talented author and human extraordinaire, ladies and gentlemen, the brave and beautiful, Alisha Fernandez Miranda
It takes a rare kind of gumption to stand up, look at your #blessed life and say, âbut what else can I do, see, accomp...
Fix Immigration. Period.
Despite our deep partisan fault lines on the issue, America does has a border crisis and solving it must be of the utmost urgency.
Our dysfunctional system allows an unlimited number of people to cross our borders, prohibits them from working, promises free housing, and then leaves them in seven years of legal purgatory before a judge rules on whether they can remain in the country legally.Â
Mayor Eric Adams last week declared of the 110,00 asylum seekers who are now in New York: âWe have a $12 billion deficit that weâre going to have to cut â...
Mitt Romney is a Dirty Moderate
Mitt has bid adieu to the Washington clown show and is seemingly officially out of whatever the Mormon version of fucks are. Â
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