That's What They Say

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By: Anne Curzan, Rebecca Hector

Funner, snuck, and LOL are all things that we're hearing people say these days.That's What They Say is a weekly segment on Michigan Public that explores our changing language. University of Michigan English Professor Anne Curzan studies linguistics and the history of the English language. Each week she'll discuss why we say what we say with Michigan Public All Things Considered host Rebecca Hector.That's What They Say airs Fridays at 4:45 p.m. and Sundays at 9:35 a.m. on Michigan Public and you can podcast it here.Do you have an English or grammar question? Ask us here!

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TWTS: Careful how you're using that 👍
Yesterday at 8:45 PM

Sometimes new slang jumps out in front of you, waving its hands, or thumbs, so that you can’t help but notice it. Sometimes it just sneaks up on you.


TWTS: Understanding the depth of "fathom"
07/10/2026

We can count fathoms when we’re measuring things. We can also metaphorically fathom or not fathom things.


TWTS: Speaking of "bespoke"
07/03/2026

This is a bespoke segment of That’s What They Say that focuses on “bespoke.”


TWTS: Up and down your alley... and your street
06/26/2026

If it’s up your alley, it might also be up your street. And perhaps it’s down rather than up.


TWTS: One rank, two pronunciations
06/22/2026

You say "lieutenant," I say “leftenant” but let’s not call the whole thing off.


TWTS: The wonky journey of "wonky"
06/12/2026

There’s more than one way to be wonky, and not all of them are bad.


TWTS: Are we canceling adverbs?
06/05/2026

Adverbs don’t always get a lot of love, captured powerfully in the writing tip “Abolish the adverbs.”


TWTS: Scrimping, skimping, and the degrees of frugality
05/29/2026

We scrimp and we save, and we skimp and we still save, which makes one wonder whether scrimping is different from skimping


TWTS: From fishmongers to warmongers - and warmongerers
05/22/2026

Cheesemongers sell cheese, and gossipmongers usually start the gossip or spread it, rather than sell it.


TWTS: The death of doornails
05/15/2026

Many of us don’t talk about doornails very often, but sometimes we will when things are really, well, dead.


TWTS: When "f" and "v" were sort of one
05/08/2026

If you know how the sound "f" worked in Old English, it suddenly isn’t mysterious why the "f" in "leaf" turns into a "v" in the plural form "leaves."


TWTS: "Peak" felt fine until it was "peaked"
05/01/2026


TWTS: Why no one is "gonna Pittsburgh"
04/24/2026

If I say I’m gonna do it, I don’t necessarily mean I’m headed out the door right now to do it.


TWTS: From "6-7" to sixes and sevens
04/20/2026

2025 had lots of people talking about sixes and sevens, but not in the loose ends kind of way.


TWTS: A hangout is a great place to hang out
04/13/2026

Next time you’re hanging out with friends, you can debate just how slangy the phrasal verb ‘hang out’ is.


TWTS: Fore! It's a lightning round
04/06/2026

This may be one of the only times that throw pillows, golf, and curling all get wrapped into the same discussion.


TWTS: Humbled in victory, humbled in defeat
03/30/2026

When we get schooled at something, we may feel humbled by the experience; but when we win something, we may also say we feel humbled by the experience.


TWTS: When a reign becomes rain
03/23/2026

When terror rains down, we suddenly have a spelling question.


TWTS: The Declaration of ... Independency?
03/13/2026

The Declaration of Independence could readily have been the Declaration of Independency.


TWTS: Bereft or just lacking?
03/09/2026

We can be bereaved, we can be bereft, and sometimes we can be both bereaved and bereft.


TWTS: The wonky journey of "wonky"
02/28/2026

There are a few different ways to be wonky, some of which are positive and some of which, not so much.


TWTS: Not all sounds resonate
02/20/2026

The way some people use "resonate" doesn't resonate with all of our listeners.


TWTS: If you're in hurry, you should scurry
02/16/2026

If we’re involved in a hurry-scurry retreat or a harum-scarum dash, perhaps things are also helter-skelter.


TWTS: The right snuff
02/08/2026

If you’re not up to snuff, you’re not up to scratch and maybe you don’t get a cigar.


TWTS: A recurring question can reoccur
01/31/2026

This week’s question has not been a recurring one, by which we mean it has occurred once and not reoccurred.


TWTS: For crotchety cranks who crochet
01/26/2026

If it seems unlikely that crotchety people are related, at least etymologically, to those who do crochet, stay tuned.


TWTS: The American Dialect Society's 2025 Word of the Year is...
01/17/2026

Given how much we’re talking about AI right now, it’s no surprise that AI-related words featured prominently in this year’s word of the year vote.


TWTS: Generics
01/12/2026

Sometimes we don’t realize that we’re using a trademarked term differently from those around us.


TWTS: When language gets spicy
01/02/2026

We can pepper our food or pepper our speech or, if the mood strikes us, we can be peppy in a pep rally kind of way.


TWTS: Wishes for good fortune and days off
12/29/2025

‘Tis the season to talk about "‘tis" and "‘twas" and, while we’re at it, "hap."


TWTS: Keep your trousers, breeches, and pants on
12/21/2025

If you’re too big for your britches, maybe you’re all mouth and trousers.


TWTS: A brief history of pants
12/13/2025

The word "pants" has oodles of good linguistic stories to tell, and that’s no pile of pants.


TWTS: Reeling in the small fry
12/08/2025

It's a time of year when many of us are cooking and eating big meals together which may involve fried food and "small fry."


TWTS: When downloading gets emotional
11/29/2025

Now that we can "download" some "mashups," we should talk about how these words have changed over time.


TWTS: Movers and shakers made into shapers
11/24/2025

As we merrily roll along, we might be moving and shaking, with maybe some shaping in there too.


TWTS: When "lickety split" took off
11/17/2025

We will share some fun linguistic facts about lickety-split, lickety-split.


TWTS: Here's a tip: "Tip" isn't an acronym
11/10/2025

From 17th-century England to modern-day gratuities, the evolution of "tip" is a story of linguistic twists and turns that ultimately lead to a surprising conclusion: it's not what you think it stands for.


TWTS: The bloody evolution of bloodletting
11/03/2025

Historically, bloodletting and bloodshed have been different things, but the line has blurred. Linguist Anne Curzan breaks down the evolution of words.


TWTS: Smack dab in the middle, give or take a little
10/27/2025

When you’re smack dab in the middle of something, you can’t be more in the middle of it.


TWTS: Getting through the history of "gh" is tougher than we thought
10/19/2025

English spelling can be a museum of earlier pronunciations, as we see in words like "night," "through," and "cough."