Collecting Keys Podcast

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By: Mike DeHaan

Collecting Keys is a weekly real estate investing podcast hosted by Mike DeHaan, Dan Austin and Dylan Koch, three active investors with hundreds of wholesale, flip, rental and creative-finance deals between them. Since 2021 the show has published more than 500 episodes on finding off-market deals, wholesaling, novations and subject-to, flipping, rentals, private lending and scaling a real estate business, plus straight talk on the market and on the gurus selling courses.

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EP 513 - Dylan Replaced His Lead Manager With AI, Should You?
Yesterday at 12:00 PM

What did you think of todays show??

Who's actually getting paid when you donate, borrow, or hire? In this episode, we break down how a Spokane charity boss pulls a million dollars a year, how Dylan replaced his lead manager with Claude and cut $1,200 a month in overhead, and why a major mortgage lender just dropped its credit floor. Plus, why investor loans now run cheaper than a regular mortgage, and why Mike's lending shop still won't sell you his rates in the sixes.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Why your vote gets ignored after...


EP 512 - Regular Rich: Why $2M Liquid Beats $20M in Rentals
10/06/2026

What did you think of todays show??

How much money makes you regular rich? Probably less than you think. In this episode, we break down the $2 million liquid number going around Instagram, why Mike says more people are already there than would admit it, and why Dan thinks your rentals don't make you as wealthy as you believe. Mike also explains how he is saving well over $100K a year by building his own software with Claude, and why a former guest's $10 million SEC settlement proves fraud is a choice.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
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EP 511 - Self Storage, AI Hate and Extortion w/ AJ Osborne
09/29/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Two weeks ago we bashed AJ Osborne on this show. The story was fake, and he came on anyway. In this episode, AJ breaks down why the self-storage numbers you read come from less than 1% of the industry, why no institution is coming to buy your $1M facility, and why he's buying developers' stuck deals at 40% under replacement cost. Plus, the AI phone system that holds his missed calls under 10% while the industry runs 30 to 40%, and why he calls AI hate a psyop.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
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EP 510 - Build Your Own RESimpli, ChatGPT As Your Lawyer, And Home Sales At A 31-Year Low
09/22/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Stop paying for software you can build yourself. In this episode, Mike explains how he built his own e-sign tool with Claude in about an hour instead of paying $1,000 a seat, and why the platforms you rent are about to get cooked. Dan shares how ChatGPT wrote the demand letter that killed a $1,000 cancellation fee, we break down why home sales just hit a 31-year low with rates headed for 8%, and Dylan lays out what you should own before the Fed inflates its way out of the debt.

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EP 509 - Pace Morby's investors are about to lose everything
09/19/2026

What did you think of todays show??

The people selling you the deal get paid whether you make money or not. In this episode, we go through the accusations piling up around Pace Morby's sub two fund, the investors who say they can't log in or get their money back, and the payroll theft case that came long before the fund. You'll hear why the gurus are all selling the same dream, plus what Trump's $5,000 check promise would really cost.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
The Anthropic quitter and the AI fear grift (00:01)
Dylan...


EP 508 - After Mike's Fire: The Insurance Every Investor Should Check
09/08/2026

What did you think of todays show??

The guys who got rich in 2021 will tell you it was skill. It wasn't. In this episode, we break down why almost every big investing win is timing you didn't control, from Northwestern Mutual reps who get paid whether or not you stick around to the real estate gurus who quietly stopped saying go bigger, sooner. Plus what Japan's yen crisis has to do with Bitcoin, and the insurance you should already have before any of it matters.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Why lending companies cannot advertise...


EP 507 - D.R. Horton Neighborhoods are the next Mobile Home Parks
09/01/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Nobody tells you the most expensive thing in a deal right now is time. A payoff takes three weeks when a lender can pull one in 15 minutes. A finished flip sits 42 days at a price cut below both comps. In this episode, we break down Dylan's 36 unit seller finance deal and the two year balloon inside it, why note servicers get paid to stall you, and when it makes sense to hire your own property manager. Plus Berkshire Hathaway's bet on home builders.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
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EP 506 - Do the gurus actually believe in God? Or is it the next grift?
08/25/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Every washed up influencer on your feed suddenly found God, and the timing is not an accident. In this episode, we break down faith as a sales pitch, the borrower who filmed himself explaining how to lie for an Airbnb loan, and why real estate advice from 2015 is still ranking on YouTube and still wrong. You'll also hear what a $20 million yacht really costs to keep, and what Mike learned about insurance checks after his house burned down.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Why washed up influencers suddenly...


EP 505 - Hire Fast, Fire Faster, and Let Bad Hires Teach You
08/18/2026

What did you think of todays show??

You will hire ten people to find one good one. Are you firing the other nine fast enough? We get into why you hire fast and fire faster, what every bad hire teaches you about the role you actually needed, and why your best next employee might be a $20-an-hour rockstar in the Philippines. Mike is also rebuilding from a wildfire, and it changed how he thinks about coverage, public adjusters, and why cheap policies are the real scam.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Why entrepreneurs and hobbies...


EP 504 - Mike Lost His House In The Spokane Fire, What Happens Next
08/11/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Three hours. That's all it took for the Spokane fire to explode to 3,000 acres and take Mike's house with it. In this episode, we walk through what actually happens after a total loss: why you hire your own public adjuster instead of trusting the insurance company's adjuster, the difference between actual cash value and replacement cost, and the mortgage wrinkle that can leave you owing money on a house that no longer exists. Plus the crisis lessons nobody teaches you until you need them.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)<...


EP 503 - Everyone in Your Deal Is Working Against You
08/04/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Think your CPA, your realtor, and your lender are all on your team? This week we unpack why nobody in your deal is actually protecting your money, and what it costs you when you stop checking their work. We get into shaving thousands off your insurance and property taxes, the $106,000 overpayment that somehow felt like a win, the CPA who pocketed his clients' tax money, and why every incentive in real estate is quietly aligned against you.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Why old real estate advice will...


EP 502 - Why Net Worth Is Mostly Ego (And Won't Buy Groceries)
07/28/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Is the guy with the highest net worth in the room actually the happiest? Probably not. In this episode, we get into the psychology of money: why net worth is mostly ego, why it can't buy groceries when it's all locked up, and why comparison quietly wrecks how you feel about your own wealth. Plus the fake business valuations inflating everyone's numbers, whether a guaranteed windfall would kill your drive, and what actually gives money meaning.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Promotion and relegation coming to US sports (04:06)<...


EP 501 - The Assignment Fee Trick, Hidden COVID Loans & a 35% Net Worth Cut
07/21/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Mike and Dylan spend the hour on the money stuff nobody performs on Instagram. In this episode, we break down how the lending business actually grew, the assignment fee trick that juices your spread, and the COVID relief loans sellers forget they ever took. Plus why investing now looks like gambling, how the wealthy borrow to dodge taxes, and the honest math that dropped Mike's real net worth by 35%.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Dan no-shows right after episode 500 (00:07)
How the lending side hustle actually grew (04:00)
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EP 500 - 500 Episodes In: Our Biggest Wins, Worst Deals and Bad Partners
07/14/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Five hundred episodes. Zero missed releases since 2021. In this milestone episode, Mike, Dan, and Dylan go back to the beginning: the seller who got abducted from a closing, the Spokane duplex that nearly broke their partnership, the hire that changed everything, and the disaster deals still bleeding money today. Plus why they stopped chasing passive income, what actually built the business, and the mindset shift that reshaped how they define success. If you've been here since day one, this one's for you.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Why...


EP 499 - Petty Lawsuits, Fake Buyers, and a $120K Retrade
07/07/2026

What did you think of todays show??

You call them junk fees. The lender calls them the cost of staying in business. In this episode, we break down why almost every money decision, yours included, runs on how you feel instead of what the numbers actually say. From the real reason closing costs hit 10%, to a deed theft that cost a title company six figures, to the phantom wealth on display in Maui and the credit apps built to make you feel richer than you are.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Why America suddenly cares...


EP 498 - The Benefits of Boring Assets, is Bitcoin Dead?, and The Newest Biz for Major Cashflow w/ Shane Schrader
06/30/2026

What did you think of todays show??

While everyone chases the next AI tool or crypto moonshot, Shane Schrader is quietly building wealth out of concrete boxes and plastic totes. In this episode, we break down the self-storage development most people said couldn't pencil, the $6-a-tote arbitrage hiding inside a single storage unit, and why preparation and relationships beat the marketing grind you've been told to run. Plus Dylan's read on Bitcoin, the debt cycle, and why boring hard assets win the next decade.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Dylan's Bitcoin bet with Scott Trench...


EP 497 - Why there's a lot more Fraud in your Real Estate deals w/ Eric Rubin
06/23/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Most of what sounds like a smart money move is either a scam or a bad bet. In this episode, Atlanta commercial broker Eric Rubin joins Mike, Dan, and Dylan to break down the lending fraud wave, the borrower they caught indicted the morning of the wire, why a winning trade doesn't mean you bet smart, and why your high-paying job beats the side hustle. Plus micro salons, grave plots, and the red flags that should make you walk.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Flipping grave plots and...


EP 496 - Why SpaceX and Bitcoin Hype Pays Everyone But You
06/16/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Kiavi just sold for $717 million, SpaceX is about to IPO at a $1.77 trillion valuation, and the through-line is the same: the people selling deals get paid whether you win or lose. In this episode, Mike, Dan, and Dylan break down why lenders are built to be flipped, why every standard metric on the SpaceX IPO makes zero sense, how AI data centers actually help your town, and why bigger funds quietly hand you worse returns. The lesson: before you invest, follow the incentives.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
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EP 495 - Operate Like a Recession Is Coming (Even When You're Winning) w/ Aaron Bihl
06/09/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Pace Morby blocked Aaron Bihl for explaining the Morby Method out loud. In this episode, Aaron fills in for Mike while he and Dan break down the contradictions piling up around creative finance's loudest salesman: personal guarantees that aren't real, the 50-year mortgage Pace now calls a deal he hates, and the sub-two horror stories that haunt wholesalers forever. Plus why the only thing that survives a weird economy is buying real equity, not the hype someone's selling you.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Why Aaron got blocked...


EP 494 - Why You're Already Living the Life You Want
06/01/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Most people chase money for stuff they don't actually want. In this episode, Mike, Dan, and Dylan break down the lies about luxury, real estate, and the stock market that keep people stuck. Why your $1,000-a-night hotel doesn't make you happier. Why MDs keep buying Cincinnati 4-plexes at $600K. Why the S&P 500 is really the S&P 7 propped up by 401k passive bids. The guys close with some Robinhood "what if" nostalgia.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
The luxury trap and why most wealth purchases don't make...


EP 493 - How AI is replacing Appraisers, Real Estate Agents, and Insurance, sooner than you think
05/26/2026

What did you think of todays show??

The appraisal is dying. Big lenders are building their own AI valuations, one broker rebuilt his entire MLS in a single weekend, and the people whose whole job was telling you what a house is worth are about to be gone. In this episode, we break down which real estate middlemen AI is about to wipe out, why Cincinnati could be the next market lenders blacklist, and why filing an insurance claim almost never pays off.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Revisiting the Brandon Turner and Pace Morby...


EP 491 - Why Brandon Turner's Investors Lost 100% (And What It Means For You)
05/12/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Before you write a six-figure check into a syndication, listen to this episode. Brandon Turner's Class B investors just lost 100 percent of their money on a single Houston deal. We break down who you can actually trust with your money: the spokesperson-versus-operator filter, the cash floor that protects you, why oversharing tanks your loan, and what the Buffett yardstick at 230 percent is signaling about the market.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
The Brandon Turner fund just wiped out Class B investors (07:18)
Why losing 100 percent in real estate...


EP 492 - How to Spot a Real Estate Mentor Who's About to Sink You
05/12/2026

What did you think of todays show??

A Hawaii broker tracked Mike down by email to warn him a Pace Morby sub-to deal had collapsed, the investors were headed for the SEC, and the people at the top had already paid themselves. In this episode, Mike and Dylan break down who actually profits when a deal goes wrong, from wholesalers who squeeze the seller after the inspection to syndication fees you pay whether the fund performs or not. Plus, why a record slice of the stock market belongs to almost nobody.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)<...


EP 490 - How to Profit on Mobile Homes W/O the Parks with Aaron Bihl
05/05/2026

What did you think of todays show??

If it doesn't have wheels, Aaron Bihl doesn't want it. After splitting with his Texas business partner and watching the San Antonio flip market grind to a halt, he moved to South Carolina and went all-in on new mobile homes on cheap lots. In this episode, we break down why FHA buyers love new manufactured homes, how Aaron sources lots for $10-15K, the trap of paying retail for land, and why hard money loans aren't part of his game anymore.

Topics discussed:
Introduction (00:00)
Why Aaron...


EP 489 - Where The Smart Money Is Quietly Moving Right Now w/ Drew Wiard
04/28/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Most fund operators get paid whether your money performs or not — acquisition fees, management fees, prefs that don't actually pay until years in. Drew Wiard built his fund the opposite way: zero fees, and he personally guarantees every loan, so he doesn't get paid until you do. In this episode, Drew is back for round four on why that skin-in-the-game structure is the alignment most operators won't touch, why industrial is the unsexy corner of the market nobody posts about on Instagram, and bonus depreciation that puts 20–30% of your capital back...


EP 488 - How to Avoid the AI Trap Capturing Most Entrepreneurs
#488
04/21/2026

What did you think of todays show??

If you're spending your weekends building AI agents for your business, there's a good chance you've already fallen into the trap most entrepreneurs are walking right into.

In this episode, we break down how AI is hurting most entrepreneurs' businesses, the one case where Mike actually used AI the right way, and what the S&P 500 hitting all-time highs during a war really says about the economy.


Topics discussed:

Introduction (00:00)

AI and...


EP 487 - The Stock Market Is Rigged and Your Portfolio Proves It
#487
04/14/2026

What did you think of todays show??

They told you to max out your retirement accounts. Mike is doing the opposite.

In this episode, we get into why traditional retirement accounts might be working against you, and where Mike is putting his money instead. We also break down the insider trading problem nobody wants to talk about — and whether the financial system behind your portfolio is as trustworthy as you’ve been led to believe.


Topics discussed:

Introduction (00:00)

The Airb...


EP 486 - Top Lending Companies Are Showing Warning Signs of Another 2008
#486
04/07/2026

What did you think of todays show??

We sat in a room with some of the biggest lenders in the country last week. What we heard wasn't reassuring. From rising appraisal fraud to (not) shocking statements from a loan officer, this episode breaks down what's really happening inside the lending industry and how it could impact real estate investors.


Topics discussed:

Introduction (00:00)

Two concerning trends in the lending industry (01:46)

Appraisal fraud and the problem with CDAs (05:25)

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EP 485 - AI Can Actually Hurt Your Business (& Cost You Deals)
#485
03/31/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Everyone's telling you AI is gonna change your business. They're right —  but it could actually be costing you deals.

In this episode, we break down why AI is being wildly oversold in real estate, how the focus on automations is costing you money, and the rate chaos hitting investors right now.

We also get into the macro stuff nobody wants to talk about: what a war with Iran is doing to the economy and how to keep your head in the gam...


EP 484 - Real Estate March Madness: The Last Guru Standing w/ Alex Braich
#484
03/24/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Which real estate guru would survive a Hunger Games-style showdown? We built a March Madness bracket to find out. From Grant Cardone to Pace Morby, 16 of the biggest names in real estate will fight for the championship — and only one person will make it out alive.


Topics discussed:

Introduction (00:00)

The March Madness real estate bracket (01:23)

The players and the rules (05:55)

The matchups (07:54)

Semi-final matchups (22:01)...


EP 483 - How to Structure a Seller Leaseback (So It Doesn't Destroy You)
#483
03/17/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Should you buy a house from an elderly seller in foreclosure who wants to rent it back indefinitely? In this episode, we break down the financials, the moral gray area, and smarter alternatives. Plus, find out what hard money lenders actually look at when you apply, how assignment fees can jeopardize your loan, and the red flags that get you denied immediately.


Topics discussed:

Introduction (00:00)

Conspiracy theories and fake statistics (01:00)

Ethical dilemma...


EP 482 - Why You Shouldn’t Diversify Your Investments (And When to Start)
#482
03/10/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Everyone tells you to diversify in your 20s and 30s... but what if that's the wrong move? In this episode, we break down why diversifying too early might be the exact thing keeping you from building real wealth — and when it actually starts to make sense. We also cover the two signs it's time to end a business, mistakes we see borrowers making every day, and why getting lucky in real estate is a trap.


Topics discussed:

Introduction (00:00)

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EP 481 - Mortgage Rates Fell… So Why Didn’t Investors Win?
#481
03/03/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Lower rates are supposed to unlock the market, so why does it feel harder than ever right now?

In this episode, we unpack why things can look better without actually getting cheaper, how pricing is influenced behind the scenes, and the recurring revenue obsession that’s turning everything into a subscription — from weight-loss meds to “free” HVAC inspections. Plus, hear about our real estate bottlenecks, tenant drama, and when paying a property manager actually makes sense.


Topics discussed:

Introduc...


EP 480 - The Problem With “No Money Down” Investments
#480
02/24/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Your portfolio might look strong on paper… until you try to use it.

This episode focuses on the uncomfortable gap between net worth and liquidity — and how getting that math wrong can quietly kill your options. We break down the cost of selling a rental right now, why desperation in a deal is the fastest way to destroy returns, and where AI realistically fits in real estate (and where it absolutely doesn’t).


Topics discussed:

New AI agents and th...


EP 479 - How AI Could Change Real Estate Forever
02/17/2026

What did you think of todays show??

AI is moving fast… and the real question is which parts of real estate it will disrupt first. In this episode, we dive into AI hype and why transactions could change sooner than people think. Then, we zoom out to the bottlenecks actually affecting investors right now: from getting rentals leased in this market to why “qualified” borrowers are having liquidity problems.


Topics discussed:

Rental costs that kill cash flow (00:00)

How property management companies cost time and mo...


EP 478 - What Are the Real Reasons Bitcoin Crashed?
#478
02/10/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Bitcoin just crashed below $70K, but why should you care? This event exposed the leverage trap of Bitcoin-backed borrowing and why there were so many forced liquidations. In this episode, we break down what really caused the drop, what's happening as Bitcoin becomes more financialized, and if any of this changes the way long-term investors should think about risk and building a portfolio.


Topics discussed:

Introduction (00:00)

GoBundance event recap (02:30)

Market sentiment among...


EP 477 - AI Hype vs. Real Estate Reality: Here’s The Catch
#477
02/03/2026

What did you think of todays show??

What are high-net-worth operators actually saying about the market right now?

In this episode, we share what we’re hearing from investors — and why AI is showing up in almost every conversation. You'll learn what impact the AI boom could really have on real estate, why some people have become more bearish on the market, and why the country might not be ready for an AI buildout.


Topics discussed:

Introduction (00:00)

GoBundance event reca...


EP 476 - The Five-Year Reality Check Every Investor Needs
#476
01/27/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Profitable one year, underwater the next — real estate doesn't always math the way you expect. In this episode, Mike shares why short-term numbers lie and what his once cash-flowing rental portfolio looks like five years in. You'll hear why “looking good on paper” can still turn into a cash problem, what most people misunderstand about tax incentives and lending rules, and how you can avoid surprise tax bills.


Topics discussed:

Introduction (00:00)

Your five-year portfolio reality check (01:13)

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EP 475 - Why Your Real Estate Business is Always Out of Cash w/ Greg Helbeck
#475
01/20/2026

What did you think of todays show??

More doors won’t fix a cash problem. If you’re doing deal after deal but the money never stacks, something in your real estate business isn’t working the way you think it is. In this episode, we unpack what’s keeping investors stuck in that cycle and how to finally get out of survival mode — from the reality of building wealth with rentals to the skill that will keep your business afloat.


Topics discussed:

Introduction (00:00)

Asset pr...


EP 474 - Why January is Prime Time To Get Deals for FREE
#474
01/13/2026

What did you think of todays show??

Housing affordability; it's everyone's favorite argument. From Trump's ban on institutional buyers    to what's really driving housing prices, this episode breaks down the numbers people ignore and what, if anything, they mean for investors. You'll also hear how to work your CRM with no marketing spend and win deals when taxes and Medicare premiums are a concern for sellers.


Topics discussed:

Introduction (00:00)

Trump’s ban on institution buyers explained (05:46)

Why regulations are hard...