Collecting Keys - Real Estate Investing Podcast
In the 'Collecting Keys - Real Estate Investing Podcast,' seasoned Real Estate experts Mike DeHaan and Dan Austin discuss how to use Real Estate to create Massive Income not just Passive Income. Real estate doesn't have to be a get-rich slow game, and by bringing over 500 successful deals worth of experience in three years, their episodes unpack the art of real estate investing, wholesaling, house flipping, and transforming properties into profitable rentals. Listen as they share uncensored insights and strategies, from compelling guest interviews revealing personal journeys and finding off-market deals to in-depth deal analyses and the latest market tr...
EP 504 - Mike Lost His House In The Spokane Fire, What Happens Next
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Three hours. That's all it took for the Spokane fire to explode to 3,000 acres and take Mike's house with it. In this episode, we walk through what actually happens after a total loss: why you hire your own public adjuster instead of trusting the insurance company's adjuster, the difference between actual cash value and replacement cost, and the mortgage wrinkle that can leave you owing money on a house that no longer exists. Plus the crisis lessons nobody teaches you until you need them.
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Introduction (00:00)<...
EP 503 - Everyone in Your Deal Is Working Against You
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Think your CPA, your realtor, and your lender are all on your team? This week we unpack why nobody in your deal is actually protecting your money, and what it costs you when you stop checking their work. We get into shaving thousands off your insurance and property taxes, the $106,000 overpayment that somehow felt like a win, the CPA who pocketed his clients' tax money, and why every incentive in real estate is quietly aligned against you.
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Introduction (00:00)
Why old real estate advice will...
EP 502 - Would You Rather Be the Richest... or Have Rich Friends?
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Is the guy with the highest net worth in the room actually the happiest? Probably not. In this episode, we get into the psychology of money: why net worth is mostly ego, why it can't buy groceries when it's all locked up, and why comparison quietly wrecks how you feel about your own wealth. Plus the fake business valuations inflating everyone's numbers, whether a guaranteed windfall would kill your drive, and what actually gives money meaning.
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Introduction (00:00)
Promotion and relegation coming to US sports (04:06)<...
EP 501 - Everyone Wants Overnight Success... Nobody Wants the First 5 Years
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Mike and Dylan spend the hour on the money stuff nobody performs on Instagram. In this episode, we break down how the lending business actually grew, the assignment fee trick that juices your spread, and the COVID relief loans sellers forget they ever took. Plus why investing now looks like gambling, how the wealthy borrow to dodge taxes, and the honest math that dropped Mike's real net worth by 35%.
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Introduction (00:00)
Dan no-shows right after episode 500 (00:07)
How the lending side hustle actually grew (04:00)
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EP 500 - Wins, Losses, and Lessons from Five Years of Collecting Keys
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Five hundred episodes. Zero missed releases since 2021. In this milestone episode, Mike, Dan, and Dylan go back to the beginning: the seller who got abducted from a closing, the Spokane duplex that nearly broke their partnership, the hire that changed everything, and the disaster deals still bleeding money today. Plus why they stopped chasing passive income, what actually built the business, and the mindset shift that reshaped how they define success. If you've been here since day one, this one's for you.
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Introduction (00:00)
Why...
EP 499 - Petty Lawsuits, Fake Buyers, and a $120K Retrade
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You call them junk fees. The lender calls them the cost of staying in business. In this episode, we break down why almost every money decision, yours included, runs on how you feel instead of what the numbers actually say. From the real reason closing costs hit 10%, to a deed theft that cost a title company six figures, to the phantom wealth on display in Maui and the credit apps built to make you feel richer than you are.
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Introduction (00:00)
Why America suddenly cares...
EP 498 - The Benefits of Boring Assets, is Bitcoin Dead?, and The Newest Biz for Major Cashflow w/ Shane Schrader
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While everyone chases the next AI tool or crypto moonshot, Shane Schrader is quietly building wealth out of concrete boxes and plastic totes. In this episode, we break down the self-storage development most people said couldn't pencil, the $6-a-tote arbitrage hiding inside a single storage unit, and why preparation and relationships beat the marketing grind you've been told to run. Plus Dylan's read on Bitcoin, the debt cycle, and why boring hard assets win the next decade.
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Introduction (00:00)
Dylan's Bitcoin bet with Scott Trench...
EP 497 - Why there's a lot more Fraud in your Real Estate deals w/ Eric Rubin
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Most of what sounds like a smart money move is either a scam or a bad bet. In this episode, Atlanta commercial broker Eric Rubin joins Mike, Dan, and Dylan to break down the lending fraud wave, the borrower they caught indicted the morning of the wire, why a winning trade doesn't mean you bet smart, and why your high-paying job beats the side hustle. Plus micro salons, grave plots, and the red flags that should make you walk.
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Introduction (00:00)
Flipping grave plots and...
EP 496 - Why SpaceX and Bitcoin Hype Pays Everyone But You
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Kiavi just sold for $717 million, SpaceX is about to IPO at a $1.77 trillion valuation, and the through-line is the same: the people selling deals get paid whether you win or lose. In this episode, Mike, Dan, and Dylan break down why lenders are built to be flipped, why every standard metric on the SpaceX IPO makes zero sense, how AI data centers actually help your town, and why bigger funds quietly hand you worse returns. The lesson: before you invest, follow the incentives.
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Introduction (00:00)
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EP 495 - Operate Like a Recession Is Coming (Even When You're Winning) w/ Aaron Bihl
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Pace Morby blocked Aaron Bihl for explaining the Morby Method out loud. In this episode, Aaron fills in for Mike while he and Dan break down the contradictions piling up around creative finance's loudest salesman: personal guarantees that aren't real, the 50-year mortgage Pace now calls a deal he hates, and the sub-two horror stories that haunt wholesalers forever. Plus why the only thing that survives a weird economy is buying real equity, not the hype someone's selling you.
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Introduction (00:00)
Why Aaron got blocked...
EP 494 - Why You're Already Living the Life You Want
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Most people chase money for stuff they don't actually want. In this episode, Mike, Dan, and Dylan break down the lies about luxury, real estate, and the stock market that keep people stuck. Why your $1,000-a-night hotel doesn't make you happier. Why MDs keep buying Cincinnati 4-plexes at $600K. Why the S&P 500 is really the S&P 7 propped up by 401k passive bids. The guys close with some Robinhood "what if" nostalgia.
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Introduction (00:00)
The luxury trap and why most wealth purchases don't make...
EP 493 - How AI is replacing Appraisers, Real Estate Agents, and Insurance, sooner than you think
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The appraisal is dying. Big lenders are building their own AI valuations, one broker rebuilt his entire MLS in a single weekend, and the people whose whole job was telling you what a house is worth are about to be gone. In this episode, we break down which real estate middlemen AI is about to wipe out, why Cincinnati could be the next market lenders blacklist, and why filing an insurance claim almost never pays off.
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Introduction (00:00)
Revisiting the Brandon Turner and Pace Morby...
EP 492 - How to Spot a Real Estate Mentor Who's About to Sink You
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A Hawaii broker tracked Mike down by email to warn him a Pace Morby sub-to deal had collapsed, the investors were headed for the SEC, and the people at the top had already paid themselves. In this episode, Mike and Dylan break down who actually profits when a deal goes wrong, from wholesalers who squeeze the seller after the inspection to syndication fees you pay whether the fund performs or not. Plus, why a record slice of the stock market belongs to almost nobody.
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EP 491 - Why Brandon Turner's Investors Lost 100% (And What It Means For You)
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Before you write a six-figure check into a syndication, listen to this episode. Brandon Turner's Class B investors just lost 100 percent of their money on a single Houston deal. We break down who you can actually trust with your money: the spokesperson-versus-operator filter, the cash floor that protects you, why oversharing tanks your loan, and what the Buffett yardstick at 230 percent is signaling about the market.
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Introduction (00:00)
The Brandon Turner fund just wiped out Class B investors (07:18)
Why losing 100 percent in real estate...
EP 490 - How to Profit on Mobile Homes W/O the Parks with Aaron Bihl
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If it doesn't have wheels, Aaron Bihl doesn't want it. After splitting with his Texas business partner and watching the San Antonio flip market grind to a halt, he moved to South Carolina and went all-in on new mobile homes on cheap lots. In this episode, we break down why FHA buyers love new manufactured homes, how Aaron sources lots for $10-15K, the trap of paying retail for land, and why hard money loans aren't part of his game anymore.
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Introduction (00:00)
Why Aaron...
EP 489 - Where The Smart Money Is Quietly Moving Right Now w/ Drew Wiard
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Most fund operators get paid whether your money performs or not — acquisition fees, management fees, prefs that don't actually pay until years in. Drew Wiard built his fund the opposite way: zero fees, and he personally guarantees every loan, so he doesn't get paid until you do. In this episode, Drew is back for round four on why that skin-in-the-game structure is the alignment most operators won't touch, why industrial is the unsexy corner of the market nobody posts about on Instagram, and bonus depreciation that puts 20–30% of your capital back...
EP 488 - How to Avoid the AI Trap Capturing Most Entrepreneurs
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If you're spending your weekends building AI agents for your business, there's a good chance you've already fallen into the trap most entrepreneurs are walking right into.
In this episode, we break down how AI is hurting most entrepreneurs' businesses, the one case where Mike actually used AI the right way, and what the S&P 500 hitting all-time highs during a war really says about the economy.
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Introduction (00:00)
AI and...
EP 487 - The Stock Market Is Rigged and Your Portfolio Proves It
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They told you to max out your retirement accounts. Mike is doing the opposite.
In this episode, we get into why traditional retirement accounts might be working against you, and where Mike is putting his money instead. We also break down the insider trading problem nobody wants to talk about — and whether the financial system behind your portfolio is as trustworthy as you’ve been led to believe.
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Introduction (00:00)
The Airb...
EP 486 - Top Lending Companies Are Showing Warning Signs of Another 2008
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We sat in a room with some of the biggest lenders in the country last week. What we heard wasn't reassuring. From rising appraisal fraud to (not) shocking statements from a loan officer, this episode breaks down what's really happening inside the lending industry and how it could impact real estate investors.
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Introduction (00:00)
Two concerning trends in the lending industry (01:46)
Appraisal fraud and the problem with CDAs (05:25)
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EP 485 - AI Can Actually Hurt Your Business (& Cost You Deals)
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Everyone's telling you AI is gonna change your business. They're right — but it could actually be costing you deals.
In this episode, we break down why AI is being wildly oversold in real estate, how the focus on automations is costing you money, and the rate chaos hitting investors right now.
We also get into the macro stuff nobody wants to talk about: what a war with Iran is doing to the economy and how to keep your head in the gam...
EP 484 - Real Estate March Madness: The Last Guru Standing w/ Alex Braich
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Which real estate guru would survive a Hunger Games-style showdown? We built a March Madness bracket to find out. From Grant Cardone to Pace Morby, 16 of the biggest names in real estate will fight for the championship — and only one person will make it out alive.
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Introduction (00:00)
The March Madness real estate bracket (01:23)
The players and the rules (05:55)
The matchups (07:54)
Semi-final matchups (22:01)...
EP 483 - How to Structure a Seller Leaseback (So It Doesn't Destroy You)
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Should you buy a house from an elderly seller in foreclosure who wants to rent it back indefinitely? In this episode, we break down the financials, the moral gray area, and smarter alternatives. Plus, find out what hard money lenders actually look at when you apply, how assignment fees can jeopardize your loan, and the red flags that get you denied immediately.
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Introduction (00:00)
Conspiracy theories and fake statistics (01:00)
Ethical dilemma...
EP 482 - Why You Shouldn’t Diversify Your Investments (And When to Start)
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Everyone tells you to diversify in your 20s and 30s... but what if that's the wrong move? In this episode, we break down why diversifying too early might be the exact thing keeping you from building real wealth — and when it actually starts to make sense. We also cover the two signs it's time to end a business, mistakes we see borrowers making every day, and why getting lucky in real estate is a trap.
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Introduction (00:00)
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EP 481 - Mortgage Rates Fell… So Why Didn’t Investors Win?
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Lower rates are supposed to unlock the market, so why does it feel harder than ever right now?
In this episode, we unpack why things can look better without actually getting cheaper, how pricing is influenced behind the scenes, and the recurring revenue obsession that’s turning everything into a subscription — from weight-loss meds to “free” HVAC inspections. Plus, hear about our real estate bottlenecks, tenant drama, and when paying a property manager actually makes sense.
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Introduc...
EP 480 - The Problem With “No Money Down” Investments
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Your portfolio might look strong on paper… until you try to use it.
This episode focuses on the uncomfortable gap between net worth and liquidity — and how getting that math wrong can quietly kill your options. We break down the cost of selling a rental right now, why desperation in a deal is the fastest way to destroy returns, and where AI realistically fits in real estate (and where it absolutely doesn’t).
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New AI agents and th...
EP 479 - How AI Could Change Real Estate Forever
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AI is moving fast… and the real question is which parts of real estate it will disrupt first. In this episode, we dive into AI hype and why transactions could change sooner than people think. Then, we zoom out to the bottlenecks actually affecting investors right now: from getting rentals leased in this market to why “qualified” borrowers are having liquidity problems.
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Rental costs that kill cash flow (00:00)
How property management companies cost time and mo...
EP 478 - What Are the Real Reasons Bitcoin Crashed?
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Bitcoin just crashed below $70K, but why should you care? This event exposed the leverage trap of Bitcoin-backed borrowing and why there were so many forced liquidations. In this episode, we break down what really caused the drop, what's happening as Bitcoin becomes more financialized, and if any of this changes the way long-term investors should think about risk and building a portfolio.
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Introduction (00:00)
GoBundance event recap (02:30)
Market sentiment among...
EP 477 - AI Hype vs. Real Estate Reality: Here’s The Catch
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What are high-net-worth operators actually saying about the market right now?
In this episode, we share what we’re hearing from investors — and why AI is showing up in almost every conversation. You'll learn what impact the AI boom could really have on real estate, why some people have become more bearish on the market, and why the country might not be ready for an AI buildout.
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Introduction (00:00)
GoBundance event reca...
EP 476 - The Five-Year Reality Check Every Investor Needs
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Profitable one year, underwater the next — real estate doesn't always math the way you expect. In this episode, Mike shares why short-term numbers lie and what his once cash-flowing rental portfolio looks like five years in. You'll hear why “looking good on paper” can still turn into a cash problem, what most people misunderstand about tax incentives and lending rules, and how you can avoid surprise tax bills.
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Introduction (00:00)
Your five-year portfolio reality check (01:13)
...EP 475 - Why Your Real Estate Business is Always Out of Cash w/ Greg Helbeck
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More doors won’t fix a cash problem. If you’re doing deal after deal but the money never stacks, something in your real estate business isn’t working the way you think it is. In this episode, we unpack what’s keeping investors stuck in that cycle and how to finally get out of survival mode — from the reality of building wealth with rentals to the skill that will keep your business afloat.
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Introduction (00:00)
Asset pr...
EP 474 - Why January is Prime Time To Get Deals for FREE
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Housing affordability; it's everyone's favorite argument. From Trump's ban on institutional buyers  to what's really driving housing prices, this episode breaks down the numbers people ignore and what, if anything, they mean for investors. You'll also hear how to work your CRM with no marketing spend and win deals when taxes and Medicare premiums are a concern for sellers.
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Introduction (00:00)
Trump’s ban on institution buyers explained (05:46)
Why regulations are hard...
EP 473 - The 2-Week Test That Tells You If It’s Time to Pivot
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Are you starting to wonder: is it the market, or is it YOU? After this episode, you'll know if you should keep grinding or if it's time to make a change. We break down why wholesaling isn't usually a forever play, how to tell if you're burned out or just ready to move on, and how you can pivot without starting over.
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Introduction (00:00)
The struggle for many investors right now: stay in or get...
EP 472 - Our Highs, Lows, and Wake-Up Calls of Real Estate in 2025
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2025 was tough for everyone, but only some operators figured out what still works. In this year-end recap, we share our highs, the lows, and what surprised us most in real estate. From the trends that destroy assets to major changes in direct marketing, you'll hear which real estate strategies we want to leave in 2025 and where our focus will be in 2026!
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Introduction (00:00)
Mike’s high: bad operators are getting pushed out (01:31)
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EP 471 - The Biggest Mistake Flippers Make When a Deal Goes Bad
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Would you rather take a hit to your pride or your bank account? In this episode, find out how holding onto a deal too long can come back to bite you and your business. We dig into why so many deals are breaking down, why some investors are underwater and can't bring cash to closing, and why refinancing isn't always the fix people think it is.
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Introduction (00:00)
The biggest mistake flippers are making right...
EP 470 - Cash Flow Lies: How to Stress-Test Your Next Deal
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Cash flow can look good on paper and still be a losing deal. Especially right now, when it's never been easier to make the wrong one. This episode breaks down all the factors crushing margins and turning cash-flowing properties into expensive surprises. Find out how to stress-test your next deal before the market does it for you!
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Introduction (00:00)
What the Fed rate cut means (and doesn’t mean) for investors (04:49)
Th...
EP 469 - Your Desperate Deals are Destroying Your Real Estate Biz
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New and experienced investors are making a lot of mistakes in this market. Whether it's out of desperation or overconfidence, people are ignoring red flags, not calculating risk correctly, and chasing deals that can destroy their business. In this episode, you'll learn the real value of cash in this market and how to weigh risk in every deal so you can stay in the game!
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Introduction (00:00)
What new investors get wrong about cap rates...
EP 468 - 3 Signs You Should Leave Real Estate (And When You Shouldn’t)
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If your real estate business feels hard right now, this episode is for you. Host Mike DeHaan breaks down how to tell the difference between a rough market and a real business problem, the signs it's time to pivot, and the type of investors who shouldn't quit just yet. You’ll also learn how to exit without starting from zero and what to work on in your business if you decide to stay.
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Introduction (00:00)
Wh...
EP 467 - These Market Traps That Are Bankrupting Real Estate Investors
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One deal can ruin you, especially in this market. But it's not just a bad market taking investors out of the game — it's risky debt, risky deals, and risky business buys. In this episode, we dive into the biggest traps we're seeing over and over, why so many investors are struggling right now, and what we've done to survive the market. Tune in to hear how to make a smart investment in this wild economy!
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Introduction (00:00)
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EP 466 - Are We Repeating 2008? Red Flags in Today’s Lending Market
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Risky lending is back. From rescue loans for low-credit borrowers to 50-year mortgages, the debt side of real estate is starting to look a lot like the pre-2008 era. So if you’re only paying attention to your DSCR rates, you're missing key shifts in the lending industry that could impact your next deal. Tune in to hear what we learned at a private lending conference, why some new loan products make us nervous, and how investors can benefit from them!
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EP 465 - This New Investor 10x’d His Business in One of the Toughest Markets — Here’s How w/ Alex Braich
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The hardest part about getting started in real estate today? Realizing the shortcuts don’t work anymore.
In this episode, Alex Braich shares how he’s managed to grow a wholesaling and flipping business in one of the country’s toughest markets as a new investor. We cut down all the hype and guru tactics to highlight what really works, from the skills every newbie needs to build to the move that helped Alex 10x his business.
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