Life After MLM

As the social media chatter dies down around the Amway ruling, I wanted to invite Julie Anderson to come on the show and go through some of the top MLM Influencers posts regarding the case. These are the people in the MLM space that participants across the spectrum of companies look to, for guidance and advice. The comment sections of these Amway Reaction posts were filled with conversational gems that I felt needed some more attention, and who better to enjoy that with than Julie?

Plus, an update on Stormy Wellington - yes, already.

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We've got an anthology of Amway stories straight off the pages of AntiMLM Reddit for you today! It felt only appropriate after our deep dive this month to see what people's experiences with Amway were like a few years ago, and what advice the comments had to offer. So I asked Julie, Michelle and Mr. F to come join us and share their unique perspectives on what I found.

Plus the (now former) new White House Press Secretary was a hun?!

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Aaron Parnas's Reel re: Katie Zacharia

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We're back with a fun, extra bonus episode about The American Way! We figured after all our case coverage, our listeners would be able to ACE an open book test about Amway, using their own words in their FAQ on their current website, before the Stipulated Order forces them to change anything. Plus, an update from Amway themselves!

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r/antiMLM - If you hear this phrase, run

Amway Common Questions

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We've finally made it to the Stipulated Order against Amway portion of our case coverage, basically the ins and outs of what Amway, their LOAs and IBOs can and cannot do going forward, and the ripple effects of this order across the MLM industry. It's a hefty episode filled with lots of evidence, advice and final thoughts from our ex-IBOs. Grab a snack and buckle in, and don't forget to send this to someone who needs the educational eye opener!

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The LAMLM Vault! Catch up on Amway Stories!

FTC's Stipulated Order...

We're back with the 3rd installment of our FTC v. Amway case coverage, and it is JUICY! In this episode we are diving into the allegations of falsifying sales to circumvent the FTC's 70% rule, using ghost accounts, random phone numbers, fake receipts and padding that "garage qualifying" ditto as your own best customer. HUGE thanks to our expert Ex-IBOs for all of their help being honest and providing us some of the most incriminating sound clips for use in this episode.

If you're ready to tell your own Amway story, you can email us or send in...

In Part 2 of our FTC v. Amway coverage, we tackle pin levels, ranks and what it takes to get to the top of the pyramid. From edifying your upline, to making sure you get that ditto order in on time, it's all part of this endless chain scheme we call The American Way. KAKAW!

Join us all month long for LOTS of coverage in our FTC v. Amway series!

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The LAMLM Vault! Catch up on Amway Stories!

FTC Press Release

FTC v. Amway - Complaint for Permanent...

Did you hear? Amway got smacked down by the FTC in a HISTORICAL decision featuring the largest MLM settlement ever at $225M. In true LAMLM fashion, we dove deep into the case to bring you all the juiciest details and even invited back a few of our former Amway guests to chat with us about this ruling, help answer some of our questions and even corroborate the FTC's findings.

Join us all month long for LOTS of coverage in our FTC v. Amway series!

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The LAMLM Vault! Catch up on Amway...

Part 2 of our Bridge Contract series brings the piping hot tea from the archives of recent MLM Drama. I get so tired of hearing Huns claim that they've never heard of a bridge contract that I decided to dive real deep into AntiMLM Reddit and bring the receipts I could still find. You be the judge, did these MegaHuns receive bridge contracts? Or are they just like, super good at MLMing?

If you remember back to any of the stories told and can fill in any of the gaps, hit us up!

"Piphanies"

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It's about time we sat down and talked about Bridge Contracts. You know, those hush-hush secret MLM recruiting bonuses Huns don't like to admit to taking. In Part 1 Mr. F and I tackle some of the more technical ins and outs of these contracts, how they work and who might be given one. We also have Friend of the Pod, Maile Cabral back on the show to give us some more of the inside scoop on how bridge contacts work from the inside.

Do you have a Bridge Contract story to share? Hit us up!

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September 10th, 2026 marked the 5 year anniversary of the premiere of LuLaRich on Amazon Prime Video. In honor of this momentous occasion I reached out to some of the cast and crew to give us their 5 year life updates since baring it all for the world to see. Join us as we reminisce about the LuLaYears and laugh at what we didn't know.

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Watch LuLaRich Now!

The Influence Continuum

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The BITE Model⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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After a much needed 7 month break, Julie Anderson is back to help me expose a new MLM on the block, Agara Life. Once I started looking to it, I found myself in some DEEP rabbit holes I did not expect, making connections to past MLMs with similar roots and even shadier histories. This episode is so full of red string, you may need to take notes so you don't get lost, but I assure you it's worth it and I've got all the receipts.

If you were involved in ANY of the MLM's looked into in this...

Inspired by last week's episode, we're bringing you some Convention Horror stories from our personal experiences, those shared and submitted on antiMLM Reddit, and even some from our listeners too! Road trips, trinkets, sharing rooms with strangers, COVID restrictions... and what kind of MLM Convention story would it be without Katy Perry?

There is still time to SUBMIT YOUR STORY to be included in an upcoming Part 2! Let us know what other themes you'd like to see for our listener anthology stories!

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r/antiMLM - Examples of MLM Conferences?

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On July 29th 2026, Mr. F and I stepped off the southmost stop of the Las Vegas Monorail and into the MGM Grand Hotel and Casino. Maybe it was the heat of Vegas or maybe we were called to this spot, but we ended up smack dab in the middle of a Paparazzi Accessories Convention. I quickly made a TikTok video, and it exploded with questions and stories alike, leading to the inspiration of this episode, loaded with my own personal MLM convention stories as well as looking at an MLM Convention from both perspectives; the eager MLM rep and...

We're back with another cautionary tale of an MLM with property to sell. If you've ever been traveling down SR 16 through central Ohio, you may have seen the towering, basket shaped, i conic American novelty architecture that is the headquarters of The Longaberger Basket Company, a now defunct MLM with an enthusiastic cult following and deep Ohioan roots that trace all the way back to the Great Depression. Join us as we share the story of their beloved owner, and how everything started to go to hell in a handbasket. Plus a new UT Question of the Week!

Michelle is joining me today with a BIG update from our former guest, Rachel Weatherly! You may remember Rachel from her incredible Anti-MLM short films, The Hun and The Downline and the inspiration behind her creativity. She's back and she's dying to share what's next for our favorite megahun, Poppy! But first, Mr. F and I have some updates on last week's new name change announcement.

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Medifast is now Trilivy

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Breaking News! What is going on with Optavia? Right now, Optavia reps have descended upon Orlando, Florida for their annual convention, and this year "Big Changes" are coming to the company. But this isn't the first time this company has had to rebrand and make big promises, and that's not where the similarities stop. From legal troubles to reinvention, join us for some MLM history as we deep dive into Medifast.

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Medifast Wiki

NYSE : MED

The Rise and Fall of the Medifast Diet

Medifast Named to Forbes 100...

A few weeks ago I received a link to an article about Scentsy selling one of their large commercial warehouses as well as Mr. F seeing it for sale on a real estate website. At first glance the article looks like a company selling off assets it's no longer using, but coupled with the issues they've had in the last year; multiple corporate layoffs, comp plan changes, reps jumping ship, and sales tanking since it's COVID height... To the trained Anti-MLM Advocate eye, it looks like much, much more. In today's episode we're opening up the conversation into Scentsy's...

We've got a new deep dive into another Health and Wellness MLM that's breaking the rules as if they don't apply to them! This time it's LifeVantage and of course their story would be filled with a lot of wacky connections that seem unrelated and out of place. From their early start as a mineral mining company, to their trouble with dangerous health claims and FDA letters, LifeVantage's MLM journey has been nothing short of textbook.

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Who would have thunk it, an Amare case update already? Apparently Amare and their cronies don't think those pesky old FTC orders from the past mean they should be held in contempt for this most recent case, and I'd argue that's exactly what that means. Last episode we learned Dr. Shawn Talbott and Amare MegaHun Pat Hintze have previous FTC cases against them for doing exactly the same thing they did with Amare, and this new order is just a delicious cherry on top.

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FTC v Amare Case

Complaint for Permanent...

Another MLM is in hot water again with the FTC! This time it's Amare Global Holdings Inc. for alleged health and incomes claims! So Mr. F and I did what we do best when MLMs are accused of something we definitely know they did... we decided to prove it. All of the pieces of evidence presented in today's episode were found the day after this press release was dropped, leading me to believe that no one truly knows what's going over over at Amare on any given day.

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Sources used for evidence are...

In Part 2 of our introduction into AI, Michelle and I dive deeper into the ugliness of AI; data centers, environmental destruction, unregulated growth and AI psychosis just to name just a few. Plus we discuss Kevin O'Leary's AI MEGACENTER that has plans to be at least TWICE the size of Manhattan in the Utah desert, putting the future of the Great Salt Lake at risk. As we go deeper into Artificial Inteligence, we will have more episodes entirely focused on some of the topics briefly covered here, as well as interviews with those who have experienced this themselves. Stay...

The rise of AI is inevitable and hard to escape, so I asked Michelle (our Triple Emerald Princess of Robots) to chat with us about the good, bad and ugly of this growing technology. From crypto pyramid schemes and data centers to advancing accessibility and innovating modern health care, AI seems to have it's finger in many pies, and as someone who has been working with AI in her professional career for many years, Michelle is uniquely qualified to help us understand the nuances and dangers of Artificial Intelligence. Even if you're a newbie to the AI space, we're...

In part 2 of our Stormy Wellington coverage, we tackle the case brought against her by the FTC, and go down both the formal complaint and the stipulated order to find out EXACTLY what Stormy can and cannot do going forward. It's another long one, but we've got Mr. F to help translate the legalese, and you do not want to miss this episode laced with pure AntiMLM schadenfreude.

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Wellington v, FTC

 FTC Takes Action Against High-Level MLM Participant who Deceived Workers About the Amount of Money They Can Earn

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Coach Stormy Wellington is in trouble with the FTC, which isn't surprising if you know where she started. In part 1 of this double episode, we dive into the rise of Stormy Wellington, her traumatic backstory and long history in MLM, her failed Lifetime reality show, and her ever constant promise to make people into millionaires. Grab your foofy coffees and low vibrational plates, because this is a wild ride.

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FTC Takes Action Against Stormy Wellington

March 2011 Ardyss Intl Rankings

Prop 65 case against TLC

Stormy Shares about Million...

This episode started off as a bit of MLM News I was planning to mention in the next episodes housekeeping. I hadn't heard too much about Sipology, but as I started to gather information to share about it's closing, I began learning about a much more interesting story; the Rise and Fall of the little Canadian Tea MLM that could. From humble beginnings out of loss, to the meteoric rise to the United States, this is a story you've probably never heard.

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r/AntiMLM - Sipology Bites the Dust

Steeped Tea...

While in the middle of a Patreon live chat, I was sent a link to an article on Behind MLM about an alleged AI Generated Crypto Adjacent Pyramid Scheme making the rounds. At first, I was just trying to understand how it worked and how Crypto was involved, if at all. But after days of reading blog posts and watching AI slop disguised as training videos, I sat Mr. F down to make sense of it all; what we found opened up more questions than answers in a scammer's paradise ripe for the picking. Plus, housekeeping about Forever Living...

In our travels around Southern California, Mr. F and I run into a lot of interesting places, and Ontario has been no exception! Not only is it the home of Chick Publications who make those delightful little tracts we sometimes read, but it's also home to the MLM Vida Divina, which I had never heard of until now. I cannot tell you how many times we've randomly driven past their building and never truly noticed it until one day we both saw it for what it was; culty and out of place. Obviously, we had to find out more...

We're back from our break with a brand new Mini Dive into an MLM that's one of the most bizarre we've come across. Loaded with games and surprises, Mr. F and I dive into the MLM LifeWave, a company known for their Non-Transdermal Patches that allegedly reflect the power of light back into your body for natural energy and a variety of other claims the DSSRC is concerned about.

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LifeWave Website

LifeWave Comp Plan

Patchy Science on LifeWave’s Mysterious Patches

Ministry of Health Warning re: LifeWave X3...

After hearing about the MLM merger between It Works! Global and Zinzino, I felt they both needed their own deep dive, not only into the merger, but the companies themselves as well. What I found is typical MLM 101, but a good source of information for anyone looking at the facts, legal troubles and numbers of these network marketing companies and whether or not to get involved with them.

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It Works! and Zinzino Merger

It Works FTC Warning Letters

r/antimlm - Are Zinzino Blood Tests Legit?

Zinzino...

You may have recently noticed a familiar blitz campaign in your neighborhood, advertising a cultural extravaganza of art, dance and music. For many years I have wanted to dive into Shen Yun and the Falun Gong cult behind it, and was inspired by recent events to finally tell their story. Since the late nineties, the Chinese Communist Party and Falun Gong have been on a campaign to destroy the other, using cult tactics and crimes against humanity to attack and defame. So how did it start and where are they now?

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Falun Gong<...

Content Warning : This episode includes mention of self harm, sexual abuse, domestic violence, white supremacy and more. Please use discretion when listening.

In part 2 of Jennie's story, we discuss the intersections of religion and the results of childhood indoctrination on adult relationships, the impact of the LGBTQ+ community on her beliefs, and the role of therapy in her healing process. Jennie emphasizes the significance of self-discovery and the power of community in overcoming the challenges posed by breaking free from toxic cult-like environments. 

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Content Warning : This episode includes mention of self harm, sexual abuse, domestic violence, white supremacy and more. Please use discretion when listening.

In part 1 of our conversation, Former Tradwife Jennie Gage shares her journey of a life entrenched in Mormonism; navigating the complexities of young marriage, motherhood and the increasingly dangerous domestic violence situation she could not escape. So when she was approached about joining doTERRA, Jennie saw more than essential oil sales and an instant community, she saw the glimmering promise of freedom for her and her children... but hustle culture had other plans.

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It's the LAST episode of 2025 and we're going out with a bang! Join us as we reveal the results of our Instagram polls, share never before heard audio from the cutting room floor, enjoy behind-the-scenes ridiculousness, bloopers, and outtakes. Join us as we say goodbye to those MLMs we lost in 2025, and pour the hot tea on the newest Mary Kay scandal. Happy New Year Huns!

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Mary Kay Ash's Family is Fighting Over Money

The Influence Continuum

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In our special Christmas episode, we explore the story and history of the candy cane, discussing its religious symbolism, true origins, and fun facts. With an interactive candy cane tasting and candy cane trivia, come join us as we reflect on the holiday season. Grab a candy cane to enjoy, and get ready to learn some religious myths and historical facts about Christmas's most iconic candy.

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The Origin Of The Candy Cane

Candy Canes Have a Surprising History That Started Over 300 Years Ago

Who Invented Candy Canes?

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I think by now, most of us have seen the "D.A.R.E. was a cop pyramid scheme" video (if not, it's linked below). I got tagged so many times I felt like I needed to at least look into it; I remember going through the D.A.R.E. program in 5th grade myself, so curiosity got the best of me. What I learned by dipping my toe in, looking for MLM and Pyramid Scheme connections, was way more than I ever expected. Racism, Police propaganda, MLM sponsorships, and thousands upon thousands of kids who loved and...

Cathy reached out to me back in the summer to inquire about sharing a perspective that wasn't entirely "Anti-MLM". She had had an extensive and successful experience in the MLM industry, and had helped many people transition into entrepreneurship, while highlighting the lessons learned and the importance of recognizing red flags. In our chat we discuss the evolution of MLM from the pre-social media era to the current landscape, and the shocking realities faced by many in the industry. Along the way, Cathy has a couple of realizations that make me excited for where her Anti-MLM journey is headed.<...

Trigger Warnings - This episode contains topics such as misogyny, child abuse, and labor exploitation. Please use discretion when listening.

Emmet was just a baby when his family sold all of their possessions and moved in with the local Twelve Tribes. In our chat Emmet talks about living his formidable years in a cult, their surprising side hustles, the living conditions within the communities, the Yellow Deli and it's true purpose and what finally got them to leave and never look back.

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Trigger Warnings - This episode contains topics such as racism, misogyny, child abuse, sexual abuse, violence and exploitation. Please use discretion when listening.

Mr. F and I traveled north to Vista, California to have lunch at the infamous Yellow Deli, this past October. When we returned home, I feverishly dove into the history of The Yellow Deli, the Twelve Tribes cult that runs it and what they believe. This episode blends the two together to prepare us for next week's episode when we go deeper and speak with a survivor of the cult.

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I have been saving this Chick Tract for a Thanksgiving Bonus Episode! Grab a drink, or prep your turkey with us as we dive into the most hilariously ridiculous Chick Tract we've read so far, as we learn the "true" story of Thanksgiving from an evangelical lens. Happy Thanksgiving from us to you!

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Chick Tract of the Week! : The Missing Day

The Influence Continuum

Out of MLM⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠MLM Dupes⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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Happy Thanksgiving! How about a bit of seasonal American history you probably didn't learn about in 2nd grade? Author of Cults Like Us, Jane Borden and I delve into the connections between cult dynamics and American culture, particularly through the lens of the Puritans and Pilgrims. Jane explains how these early groups set the stage for modern consumerism, the psychological impacts of cult-like thinking, and the prevalence of such dynamics in contemporary society, including the rise of influencers.

Plus, Mr. F tries to make me a Trekkie.

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Amok Time

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