Assembly Point

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By: Fire Protection Association

The Fire Protection Association is the UK's national fire safety organisation and works to identify the dangers of fire and help our clients reduce any fire-related risks. Now in its second series, our monthly podcast launched in February 2021 to provide a collective space in which industry leaders can explore the most pressing issues in fire safety and share expert information and advice. Following the Grenfell Tower fire in 2017, the conversation around fire safety in the UK has gathered pace. Despite this, however, more still needs to be done to ensure that the tragic consequences of Grenfell and many other major...

Fire smoke toxicity – exploring the impacts
#5
08/30/2024

As the Summer Series of Assembly Point draws to a close, host George Edwardes, Technical Director at the FPA is joined by Dr Joanna Cloy, Senior Project Manager at environmental charity Fidra; and Professor Richard Hull, Professor of Chemistry and Fire Science at the University of Central Lancashire to discuss the toxic impacts of smoke, focusing on chemical flame retardants in household goods.

Dr Joanna Cloy and Professor Richard Hull highlight that these retardants, particularly in upholstered furniture, can be harmful to human and environmental health, causing issues like neurotoxicity and carcinogenesis. They draw focus to the...


Cladding remediation: the insurer perspective
#4
08/16/2024

Listen to the penultimate episode of Assembly Point’s Summer Series as George Edwardes, Technical Director at the FPA welcomes Louise Clark, Policy Adviser at ABI to discuss the current landscape of cladding remediation from an insurer’s perspective.

George and Louise explore the need for a holistic approach to building design and construction that involves insurers early on to understand the insurance implications of material selection, the importance of resilience in the face of climate change, proactive risk management, and educating building occupants on maintenance. They also consider the role of regulation and enforcement, and ABI’s effo...


The evolving role of AI in fire safety
#3
08/02/2024

Listen to the latest episode of Assembly Point as George Edwardes, Technical Director at the FPA welcomes Adam Sanders, Technical Director of RiskBase; and Peter Thomas, Host of the My Safety Tech podcast and Founder of MySafetyConsultant.io, to discuss what the continuing development of artificial intelligence (AI) could mean for the fire safety industry.

The panel discuss the potential of AI, data availability, upskilling professionals, and addressing the risks associated with incorporating AI applications into fire safety; emphasising the need for consistent data collection and sharing, integrating AI with human expertise, and improving fire safety beyond...


Construction products: fire resistance testing as a route to compliance
#2
07/19/2024

Listen to the latest episode of Assembly Point as George Edwardes, Technical Director at the FPA is joined by Chris Miles, Commercial Director at the FPA; and Tom Gilbert, CEO at CLM Group to discuss some of the current challenges in the world of fire resistance testing and assessment methods.

The panel explore the importance of fire resistance testing and assessment methods, in particular the need for valid supporting test data, challenges in assessing complex construction designs, and the need for additional capacity in product testing. They also debate the potential impact of removing the national classifications...


Balancing environmental goals and fire safety
#1
06/28/2024

In the first episode of the FPA’s 2024 podcast series, George Edwardes, Technical Director at the FPA is joined by Dr Gavin Dunn, Managing Director at the FPA; and Eoin O’Loughlin, Associate Fire Safety Engineer at Arup, to discuss the implications of the zero carbon agenda for fire safety in the built environment.

With emerging new technologies, techniques and materials, and with many designers and construction professionals moving towards low carbon materials such as timber, George, Gavin, and Eoin discuss how to achieve high fire performance whilst reducing environmental impact. The panel also look at how, as a...


A new fire safety assessment test for external cladding systems
#4
10/25/2023

In the concluding episode of the 2023 series, Chris Miles, Commercial Director at the FPA is joined by the FPA's newly appointed Technical Director, George Edwardes; and Andy Miller, Loss Control Engineering Technical Manager at Allianz, to discuss a new fire safety assessment test for external cladding systems, RISC 501, which has been developed following an FPA research project into real world cladding fires and how they correspond with fire tests.

Together they explore the issues with the current route to compliance from both a testing and insurance perspective, which led to the creation of RISC 501 due to be...


Fire doors: from manufacture, through sourcing, installation, and inspection
#3
09/27/2023

In support of the British Woodworking Federation’s Fire Door Safety Week campaign which aims to raise awareness of the critical role of fire doors, the FPA’s Commercial Director, Chris Miles takes a deep dive into the world of fire doors with Hannah Mansell, UK Group Technical Director at Masonite.

Together Chis and Hannah consider the importance and complexity of fire doors and look at the issues surrounding fire door compliance in the UK. Hannah provides insights from a manufacturer’s perspective into the challenges around ensuring fire doors are used correctly to maintain fire performance from m...


Developing a national strategy for fire safety: 1 year on
#2
08/09/2023

In the second episode of the Summer Series, Chris Miles, Commercial Director at the FPA is joined by two guests who have been at the forefront of the proposal made by the Fire Sector Federation almost a year ago to develop a national strategy for fire safety. Executive Officer, Steve McGuirk CBE and Active Fire Protection Director, Tom Roche provide an update on the proposal and next steps.

Together the panel look at how the white paper has been received over the past 12 months by both industry and government, the major progress points thus far, and the...


Testing for a safer future: an Independent Review of the Construction Product Testing Regime
#1
06/28/2023

In the first episode of Assembly Point’s Summer Series, the FPA’s Commercial Director, Chris Miles is joined by Paul Morell OBE, co-author of the recently published Independent Review of the Construction Product Testing Regime to identify any potential weaknesses in the system and make recommendations for improvement.

The two discuss the purpose of the government commissioned review and look at how the recommendations made in the report could provide greater assurance in the UK’s system for testing and certifying construction products. Chris and Paul also consider the shortcomings of the current system, its complexity and ho...


Developing a national strategy for fire safety
#10
11/30/2022

In the concluding episode of Assembly Point Series 2, Chris Miles, Commercial Director at the FPA leads the discussion on the recent release of the Fire Sector Federation’s white paper on developing a national strategy for fire safety.

Chris is joined by Dennis Davis, Executive Officer of the Fire Sector Federation; Adam Turk, CEO at Siderise Group; and Amanda Long, CEO of the Considerate Constructors Scheme, Building a Safer Future, and the Code for Construction Product Information.

The panel discuss the drivers behind the creation of the white paper, and where it fits into the ov...


Construction: Are innovation and fire safety mutually exclusive
#9
10/27/2022

The penultimate episode of series 2 of Assembly Point sees Chris Miles, Commercial Director at the FPA joined by Professor Jim Glockling, Former Technical Director at the FPA; and Dr Jonathan Evans, Chief Executive Officer at Ash & Lacy, to discuss fire safety and innovation in the construction industry post-Grenfell.


Closing the door on fire
#8
09/28/2022

In the latest episode of Assembly Point, the FPA’s newly appointed Commercial Director, Chris Miles is joined by Helen Hewitt, Chief Executive of the British Woodworking Federation to talk about the importance of passive fire protection measures to the overall built-in fire safety of buildings.

They discuss how passive fire protection can be elevated to a higher-level consideration when designing, constructing, refurbishing, and maintaining a building, the role of legislation in maintaining fire safety products installed within a building, and whether regulation and third party certification are enough when it comes to complying with fire safety st...


Making our buildings safer – assessing and managing risk
#7
08/24/2022

Join Jonathan O’Neill OBE, FPA Managing Director as he speaks to Stephen Howard, Head of the FPA’s Fire Testing and Experimental Unit; and Dorian Lawrence, Managing Director at Façade Remedial Consultants. Together the panel discuss the implications of recent changes in legislation and guidance on making our buildings safer and what we still need to see to effectively assess and manage risk.


Sprinklers and watermist: the Standards
#6
07/27/2022

Let’s get technical! Join the FPA’s Principal Consultant and suppression systems expert, Dale Kinnersley as he delves into sprinkler and watermist standards with Adrian Kay of Johnson Controls; Alan Crichton from BAFSA; and Stuart Lloyd of Zurich.

Representing between them an insurer, a trade body, and a contractor’s perspective, our panel discuss the impact of new standard BS 9251:2021 for residential sprinkler systems, the introduction of EN 12845-1 and EN 12845-2 for automatic sprinkler systems, and their impact on competence in the industry. They also consider the 3 available watermist standards, and the training being carried out. O...


5 years on from Grenfell
#5
06/22/2022

The legal point of view

In the latest episode of Assembly Point, Jonathan O’Neill OBE, Managing Director at the FPA, is joined by Sailesh Mehta, Barrister and Head of the Fire Law Team at Red Lion Chambers to discuss the Grenfell Tower Inquiry and prosecuting those who bear responsibility for the tragedy. Together they consider the implications of the removal of the Building Safety Manager role from the Building Safety Act, coroners’ recommendations, and whether regulators are appropriately resourced under the current regime.

Have we learned our lesson?

For the second part of t...


Building safety: the global world of fire testing and the protection offered by a fire strategy
#4
05/26/2022

In the latest episode of Assembly Point, Jonathan O’Neill OBE, FPA Managing Director is joined by Chris Miles, Regional Business Director at UL to explore how building safety in the UK could benefit from international testing practices.

For the second part of the episode, Howard Passey, FPA Director of Operations speaks to Marcus Rees, FPA Senior Technical Consultant about the benefits offered by a fire strategy when designing, constructing, refurbishing or managing premises.


Will resilience ever be fully embedded if not mandated?
#3
04/20/2022

In the latest episode of Assembly Point, Dr Jim Glockling, Technical Director at the Fire Protection Association and RISCAuthority is joined by Tom Roche, Senior Consultant at FM Global, and Mike Rooney, Chief Executive Officer at Resilience First, to explore resilience and whether it will ever be fully embedded if not mandated. The panel discuss the need for resilience within the commercial and service estates to survive disaster, the role of resilience in business continuity, and whether insurance alone is resilience enough.


Vulnerable Risks
#2
03/16/2022

In our second episode of the series, Howard Passey, FPA Director of Operations is joined by Nick Coombe, Vice Chair of the National Fire Chiefs Council (NFCC) Protection Committee & NFCC lead on Building Safety; Andy Frankum, Chair of the National Social Housing Fire Strategy Group, and Steve Emery, Fire Officer at Oxford University to explore vulnerable risks, specifically looking at social housing, care homes, educational settings, and the impact on evacuation strategies.


Competency at every stage of design and construction
#1
02/16/2022

The Fire Protection Association Director of Training and Digital Services, Claire Wright kicks off series 2 by talking to Jane Duncan OBE, Chair of the RIBA Expert Advisory Group on Fire Safety, and Clive Johnson, Group Head of Health and Safety at Derwent London PLC.

The panel discuss the competency requirements at each stage of the design and construction of a building and how these can be met. This episode also highlights key elements that need to be considered by all groups involved in the design, construction and maintenance of a building to ensure safety for the occupier. <...


75 years in fire safety: What has changed?
#10
12/09/2021

In the concluding episode for series 1 of our Assembly Point podcast, Howard Passey, Director of Operations at the FPA, marks the Fire Protection Association’s 75th anniversary by talking to Peter Caplehorn, Chief Executive of the Construction Products Association; Adrian Dobson, Secretary of the RIBA EAG; and Dennis Davis, Executive Officer of the Fire Sector Federation. The panel discuss the FPA’s own milestones and its work over the past 75 years, the turning points in fire safety in the UK, and what they hope to see in the next 75 years.

From the tragic circumstances at Bradford City Stad...


Protecting our most vulnerable
#9
10/21/2021

In the latest episode of Assembly Point Howard Passey, FPA Director of Operations, talks to Lewis Ramsey, Caretaker Manager at BAFE Fire Safety Register and former Assistant Chief Officer for the Scottish Fire and Rescue Service, about the key areas to consider when looking at the risk management of fire in buildings occupied by vulnerable people such as schools, hospitals, and care homes. Howard and Lewis discuss how crucial it is to have appropriate fire safety measures in place that ensure occupant safety and are cognisant of the premises layout, construction, and features.

The themes discussed in...


The Building Safety Bill: What does it mean for fire safety?
#8
09/23/2021

In episode 8 of the FPA’s Assembly Point podcast, Jonathan O’Neill OBE – Managing Director at the FPA, speaks to Niall Rowan – Technical and Regulatory Affairs Officer at the Association for Specialist Fire Protection (ASFA), Russ Timpson – Founder of the Tall Building Fire Safety Network, and Allan Meek – Director of Group SCS. Together the panel explores the implications of the Building Safety Bill following the Government’s review of the Building Regulations.

The themes discussed in this episode are central to the FPA’s Know Your Building campaign. Find out more about the campaign by visiting: www.thefpa.co.uk/kno...


Building competency as a building safety manager
#7
08/19/2021

In our first panel episode of the series, Claire Wright – Head of Training at the FPA, talks to Anthony Taylor – Chairman of Working Group 8, John Brett – Director of Health and Safety Compliance at Estates & Management Limited, and John Briggs – Commercial Director at the FPA.

Together the panel explores the practical steps building managers can take to ensure they follow the competency framework including the core knowledge, skills, experience and behaviours required for the role of Building Safety Manager.

The themes discussed in this episode are central to the FPA’s Know Your Building campaign. Find out more a...


Is the current regulation change over sprinklers ignoring a much bigger problem?
#6
07/22/2021

In episode 6 of the FPA’s Assembly Point podcast we talk to Tom Roche, Senior Consultant at FM Global. Following Grenfell, the government introduced the mandatory provision of sprinklers in all high-rise buildings over 11 metres tall.

Tom and Howard explore the fact that sprinklers have still not been made mandatory for all new or major refurbished school buildings in England in the revised Building Bulletin 100 document, and why sprinklers should be made mandatory in all high-risk buildings.

The themes discussed in this episode are central to the FPA’s Know Your Building campaign. Find out more...


What will it take to end the legacy of neglect?
#5
06/16/2021

In episode 5 of the FPA’s Assembly Point podcast, join our host Howard Passey as he speaks with Catherine Levin, Political Editor at FIRE Magazine.

Four years on from Grenfell, Catherine and Howard explore if the provision of fire safety has improved since that tragic day in June 2017, whether the subsequent changes in legislation will be enough to bring about meaningful change.

Previously Deputy Head of Community Safety at the London Fire Brigade, Catherine also looks at the support required to ensure local fire and rescue services have the resources needed to undertake effective liaison an...


Building a solid foundation in fire safety
#4
05/19/2021

In this new episode of Assembly Point, the FPA’s Howard Passey speaks to Jane Duncan OBE, chair of the expert panel on fire safety at the Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA).

Jane discusses how Grenfell was a ‘turning point’ for building safety, and she and Howard explore how architects, construction teams and building owners can work together to understand and prioritise fire safety from the very start of a project.

Drawing on her own experiences, Jane also shares her thoughts on the draft Building Safety Bill and the action that is still needed to sup...


What About Asset Protection?
#3
04/15/2021

This month, we are delighted to talk all things asset protection with Sarah Brodie, Policy Adviser in the General Insurance team at the ABI.

This episode explores the need to protect an organisations’ physical assets alongside the need for life protection. The law doesn't currently dictate any kind of property or business protection. People wrongly assume that the law will protect business assets in full, but this is not the case. In fact, fire services are not obliged to save a business asset in the event of a fire, once there is no longer a risk to li...


Know Your Building
#2
03/18/2021

In this episode, we talk to Sofie Hooper, Head of Policy at the Institute of Workplace & Facilities Management (IWFM) about the need for competence in the provision of fire safety. Sofie leads on the IWFM’s wider policy work and helps to raise the voice of the Institute, its members and the wider FM sector.

We talk to Sofie about the Building Safety Manager role and how facilities managers may adapt for the future to fulfil its requirements. We also cover why greater education, awareness and training is needed, what makes an individual “competent” and what steps those...


Fire Safety Reform - What's Next?
#1
02/18/2021

In this first episode of Assembly Point, we are joined by guest, Jim Fitzpatrick, former Fire Minister and Chair of FIRE AID.

We explore what the future holds for fire safety policy and how we can ensure that changes are enforced properly so that everyone concerned with the design, construction, management, and occupation of buildings are held responsible.


Coming soon… the FPA’s Assembly Point podcast
02/04/2021

Welcome to the FPA's brand new monthly podcast, Assembly Point. A new collective space to explore and get information on the most pressing issues in fire safety.

Join our host Howard Passey, FPA's renowned and respected fire safety professional, each month as we bring a new guest from across the sector and beyond.

Subscribe today to ensure you don't miss our first episode on February 18th with guest Jim Fitzpatrick, former Fire Minister as we discuss what's next for the fire safety reform.