Carrying Wayward: A Supernatural Podcast
Friends and co-hosts Drew Shulman and Marie Vigouroux explore TV show Supernatural. With a focus on character narrative, growth and relationships, they offer a critique of the show’s lore, production and writing decisions. Whether you are a long-time fan or a newcomer, join Drew and Marie weekly as they parse through 15 seasons of Sam, Dean, and, of course, pie.
Sharp Teeth - 9x12
🐺GARTH IS BACK AND HE’S A WEREWOLF?? He’s got a wife, a pack, a religion, and honestly better work-life balance than the Winchesters ever will. Dean’s allergic to growth, Sam’s setting boundaries (finally), and dinner gets complicated. Found family, but make it furry.
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Music by Jake Lionheart
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Holiday Announcement - 2025
❄️We’re jingling into your feed with a tiny lil episode stuffed FULL of holiday chaos: our live event holiday schedule is here! We’ve got A Very SPN Christmas, we’ve got baking, we’ve got cartoons, and absolutely zero chill. All the festive details are in the minisode! So listen and mark your calendars!
First Born - 9x11
🥜This week’s theme is destiny, or as we call it, “Dean Winchester’s Roman Empire.” Crowley’s flirting, Cain’s biblical trauma dumping, Cas misses PB&J, and Dean’s out here saying yes to cursed marks like it’s self-care 🙃
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Music by Jake Lionheart
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Road Trip - 9x10
🔥Dean’s got guilt, Cas’s got empathy kink, and Sam’s got trauma that’s not even his fault. The theme is CONSEQUENCES, the vibe is yearning in a trench coat, and every choice Dean’s ever made is staring him in the face (blue-eyed, wings singed, still choosing him).
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Holy Terror - 9x09
🕊️Drew and Marie discuss identity! Sam’s losing time, Dean’s losing track of his lies, Cas is losing his tolerance after ONE beer, and Metatron is just losing. Oh, and surprise! Zeke is actually Gadreel. Also, Kevin deserved better 💔
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Rock and a Hard Place - 9x08
💍Let’s talk purity, aka patriarchy, white supremacy & heteronormativity wrapped in a “promise ring.” The brothers sign purity contracts, Dean immediately makes the whole purity group horny, and Sam gets called dead inside. Um RUDE???
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Bad Boys - 9x07
🎸This week’s theme is Hobson’s Choice, aka pick the horse or pick nothing, and Dean picked trauma 🙃 This king of messy breakups shows up at yet ANOTHER ex’s workplace smirking, John ruins everything again, and Sam’s… there. Moose vibes only 🫎
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Heaven Can't Wait - 9x06
🥤THIS WEEK WE ARE SCREAMING ABOUT YEARNING!!!! Dean is looking through people’s windows, Cas never knew he could feel that much, and THEIR HANDS ARE SHAKING FROM HOLDING BACK FROM EACH OTHER ALL OF THIS SILENCE AND PATIENCE, PINING AND DESPERATELY WAITING
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Dog Dean Afternoon - 9x05
🐾 Drew and Marie are talking OUTLOOK. Sam’s a snack, Dean’s fetching balls & freeing dogs, and we’re thinking hard about whose outlook even matters when Zeke’s still in the passenger seat.
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Slumber Party - 9x04
🌈Drew & Marie talk BELONGING in the Oz-is-real, witches-dropping-houses, Men of Letters lore-fest that is Slumber Party. Dean is nesting, Sam’s “meh”, Charlie is QUEER MAGIC, and Dorothy said DEI. Thank you Robbie Thompson!!!
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I'm No Angel - 9x03
🪥Drew and Marie talk about consent, because apparently NO ONE in this episode has heard of it 🙃 Sam’s got an angel joyriding his body, Dean’s lies are leveling up, Cas is learning how to human (badly), and Bart needs to get punched in the dick. It’s messy. It’s cursed. We have thoughts™.
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Devil May Care - 9x02
🔒This week, Drew and Marie are talking CONTROL, or lack thereof. Dean’s got lies, Sam’s got an angel Airbnb situation, Kevin’s trapped, and Crowley’s… kinky?? 👀👑 The chaos is real.
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I Think I'm Gonna Like It Here - 9x01
🪦We have RISEN from the dead (much like SAM-one else)
We’re BACK (baby) on the 20th ANNIVERSARY of Supernatural with our takes on 9x01. Drew & Marie are SCREAMING, CRYING, THROWING HOLY WATER 🧂👼
Theme of the week? RETURN. Fitting, right? 😏
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A little announcemnt!
Well, it's been a while, Hello there!
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Additional Music by Eric Matyas - www.soundimage.org
Special Episode: Angel Radio III
In this special episode, Drew and Marie answer some voicemails from listeners.
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Special Episode: Angel Radio II
In this special episode, Drew and Marie answer some voicemails from listeners.
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Special Episode: Angel Radio I
In this special episode, Drew and Marie answer some voicemails from listeners.
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Sacrifice - 08x23
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 23 of Supernatural: Sacrifice. They talk about the confessions we hear in this gorgeous season finale.
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Clip Show - 08x22
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 22 of Supernatural: Clip Show. They talk about the havoc brought upon Sam, Dean, and Cas in this penultimate episode!
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The Great Escapist - 08x21
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 21 of Supernatural: The Great Escapist. They talk about how Sam, Dean, Kevin, and Cas perform roles and tasks in this episode.
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Pac-Man Fever - 08x20
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 20 of Supernatural: Pac-Man Fever. They talk about how Charlie, Sam, and Dean experience escapism.
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Taxi Driver - 08x19
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 19 of Supernatural: Taxi Driver. They talk about the different passages represented in this episode.
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Freaks and Geeks - 08x18
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 18 of Supernatural: Freaks and Geeks. They talk Sam and Dean's reactions to the child exploitation they witness in this episode.
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Goodbye Stanger - 08x17
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 17 of Supernatural: Goodbye Stranger. They talk about the various pieces of information that come out during this episode.
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Remember the Titans - 08x16
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 16 of Supernatural: Remember the Titans. They pick back up the theme of tragedy and foreshadowing.
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Man's Best Friend with Benefits - 08x15
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 15 of Supernatural: Man's Best Friend with Benefits. They discuss Sam and Dean's relationship to doubt.
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Trial and Error - 08x14
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 14 of Supernatural: Trial and Error. They discuss when and how the brothers display eagerness.
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Everybody Hates Hitler - 08x13
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 13 of Supernatural: Everybody Hates Hitler. They discuss the complexity of inheritance.
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As Time Goes By - 08x12
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 12 of Supernatural: As Time Goes By. They discuss the things that are lost, passed on, or created between generations of Winchesters.
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LARP and the Real Girl - 08x11
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 11 of Supernatural: LARP and the Real Girl. They discuss how escapism shows up for Sam, Dean, and Charlie.
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Torn and Frayed - 08x10
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 10 of Supernatural: Torn and Frayed. They discuss what (or who) Sam, Dean, and Cas need to release.
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Wayward Conversation: Network TV Characters Coming Out with JJ
In this special discussion, Marie is joined by friend of the podcast JJ to discuss the power of allowing network TV characters to come out in their 30s and 40s in a special episode focusing on ABC show 911.
JJ’s twitter: https://x.com/JJBwayWatch
JJ's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jjbwaywatch
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Citizen Fang - 08x09
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 9 of Supernatural: Citizen Fang. They discuss the presumptions under which Sam, Dean, Benny and Martin are operating. They also curse John Winchester. A lot.
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Hunteri Heroici - 08x08
In this episode, Drew and Marie are joined by Jeremy Greer of Monster of the Week and Non-Human Biologics as they dive into Season 8, Episode 8 of Supernatural: Hunter Heroici. They discuss how Sam, Cas, and Dean play make-believe in this episode and in other moments in the series.
Jeremy’s twitter: https://twitter.com/jggreer
Jeremy's podcasts: https://creepybutnecessary.cool/
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A Little Slice of Kevin - 08x07
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 7 of Supernatural: A Little Slice of Kevin. They discuss the trauma experienced by the many characters in this episode and reflect on Dean misremembering his.
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Southern Comfort - 08x06
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 6 of Supernatural: Southern Comfort. They discuss Sam and Dean's relationship thorough the theme of grudge and marvel at Garth and Mr. Fizzles.
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Blood Brother - 08x05
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 5 of Supernatural: Blood Brother. They discuss Dean and Benny's relationship through the theme of bonding and explore queerness in Bruce Springsteen lyrics.
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Bitten - 08x04
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 4 of Supernatural: Bitten. They take a Doylist approach as they discuss the main media references in this episode and what they say about the story at hand.
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Heartache - 08x03
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 3 of Supernatural: Heartache. They discuss the legacy Sam and Dean honour, reckon with, and consider leaving.
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What's Up, Tiger Mommy? - 08x02
In this episode, Drew and Marie dive into Season 8, Episode 2 of Supernatural: What's Up, Tiger Mommy? They discuss what or who is valuable to and for the brothers.
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