RiskReversal Pod

Dan Nathan interviews Phil Rosen, CEO/CTO and co-founder of Astraeus, an AI infrastructure company for wealth management. Rosen recounts his path from college dropout to fintech builder, including Orchard Platform and Even Financial (later MoneyLion Engine), explaining how API-embedded distribution and machine-learning signals improved lending decisioning while navigating regulatory explainability. He argues many “AI companies” mainly deploy or fine-tune others’ models and that value often lies in data pipelines, governance, and deterministic software around AI. Rosen describes Astreus targeting independent RIAs and private-equity roll-ups (from ~$2B to ~$200B AUM) by unifying siloed legacy data, codifying compliance rules, and deploy...

Guy Adami and Dan Nathan open by recounting a fan’s Guy-themed T-shirt sighting on CNBC’s Fast Money, then discuss Fed Chair Kevin Warsh’s Jackson Hole remarks as largely status quo, with the S&P 500 near all-time highs and the VIX around 14 despite potential catalysts like the August jobs report. They argue markets appear complacent ahead of midterms and cite historical midterm drawdowns, while noting election-related tensions, Canada trade friction, and Russia/NATO risks as possible volatility drivers. The hosts highlight a widening disconnect between strong equities and weakening consumer signals seen in recent retail earnings, alongside rising...

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Dan Nathan sits down with Imran Khan, CIO and founder of Proem Asset Management, to break do...

Dan Nathan sits down with Matt Turck, Managing Director at First Mark Capital and creator of the annual MAD (Machine Learning, AI & Data) Landscape, for a wide-ranging look at where AI investing stands right now. They cover the power-law dynamics driving venture dollars to a handful of companies, why Nvidia is starting to look like "the bank" of the AI industry, Anthropic's surge past $65 billion in revenue and its first profitable quarter, and how OpenAI, Microsoft, Google, and Meta are each positioning for what comes next. The conversation turns philosophical with a discussion of AGI, superintelligence, and the idea...

Danny Nathan and Danny Moses discuss recent Treasury Secretary Bessent comments and plans to increase long-dated Treasury buybacks, arguing the amounts are largely signaling, yields quickly reverted, and the move effectively constrains Fed Chair Warsh ahead of Jackson Hole and a potential September hike. They connect rising yields, debt/deficits, inflation pressures, dollar/yen dynamics, and Bank of Japan policy to higher market volatility, tighter funding conditions, and renewed interest in gold, while noting capital may favor high-grade corporates over Treasuries. They review Walmart’s earnings beat but same-store-sales miss and valuation-driven selloff as a consumer and defensives litmus te...

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Dan Nathan sits down with Paul Costolo, former CEO of Twitter and current VC. They start with Dick's early comedy days (Second City alongside St...

Dan Nathan hosts FirstMark Capital partner David Waltcher at the firm’s HQ to discuss Waltcher ’s path from an Accel internship to investing in enterprise software, security, and AI. They compare the consumer-to-SaaS shift, the post-2021 “SaaSpocalypse,” and how public markets can overreact to AI narratives, using Salesforce as a system-of-record case study. Waltcher argues many incumbents will prove durable due to switching costs, ecosystems, and trust, while M&A is accelerating amid volatile publics, strong buyers, and fast-growing AI businesses, citing deals like Stripe–OpenRouter and interest in Workday. The conversation turns to Chinese and open models driving to...

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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami are joined by Peter Boockvar, CIO at OnePoint BFG Wealth Partners, to unpack recent inflation data and why yields remain resilient, with the curve steepening as the two-year dips while the 10-year holds around 4.65%. Boockvar argues the Fed must weigh PPI alongside CPI, noting persistent producer pressures and limited pass-through that squeezes margins and hiring, contributing to weak consumer confidence and “running to stand still” wages. They discuss why the S&P 500 conti...

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Dan Nathan welcomes Vincent Daniel, partner at Seawolf Capital and one of the investors who called the 2008 housing crash, for a deep dive into where markets stand heading into year-end. They break down new Fed chair nominee Kevin Warsh's "immaculate economy" problem, why passive fund flows are quietly the most powerful force in the market, and the hedge-fund blowup that briefly rattled the S&P. From there, Dan and Vincent get into the real meat of the episode: the new wave of GPU-backed financing deals from Nvidia, Apollo, and...

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Sonali joins the podcast on the one-year anniversary of moving from Bloomberg to iCapital, discussing her media series “The Bridge” and iCapital’s reach across wealth and asset managers. The conversation centers on AI economics, especially how declining token costs shift value along the “AI food chain,” with hyperscalers capturing a large share while software and enterprises benefit as costs fall, and with demand (Jev...

Dan Nathan and Guy Adami dig into the biggest story in markets: Nvidia's roundtable with Wall Street's top financiers — Jensen Huang, David Solomon, Jon Gray, and Stephen Schwarzman — and the multi-hundred-billion-dollar backstop deal getting compared to a modern-day CDO. Dan lays out why he thinks this AI CapEx build could make the dot-com bust and the GFC look tame, walks through Nvidia's doubling credit default swaps, and answers a listener question on exactly what would signal the bubble has popped. Plus: the cautionary tale of The Trade Desk's collapse from $140 to $14, why valuations are only richer once before in hist...

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Guy Adami speaks with Jim Swartwout, CEO of Prosperum Fintech Holdings about Swartout’s four-decade career across Schwab, Fidelity, E-Trade, TradeMonster, Scottrade, Robinhood, and more, and what it reveals about the evolution of retail investing. Swartout argues retail is in a “golden age” driven by better data, tools, fractional trading, extended-hours markets, and lower costs, and says payment for order flow is not a meaningful issue at current levels. They discuss social-media-driven concentration and communities, Prosperum/Avantgarde’s education and partner communities, and AI features aiming to deliver...

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Views, opinions, products, services, and strategies discussed are notendorsed or promoted by Fidelity Investments. Fidelity BrokerageServices LLC, Member NYSE, SIPCApex Fintech Solutions provides the tools and services that enable hundreds of clients to launch, scale, and support digital investing for tens of millions of end investors.

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On this week's podcast, Danny Moses speaks with Nicole Kagan, head of research at Kalshi, about her path from Bridgewater to Oxford and then to Kalshi to help build the contract-writing and research functions. Kagan explains how Kalshi sources market ideas internally, from partners, and from users, then evaluates whether a contract is objective, economically justified, and resolvable, often reusing pre-certified templates or...

Dan Nathan hosts Amish Jani, co-founder and partner at FirstMark Capital, to discuss his tech investing career and why AI represents the fastest, largest technological sea change he has seen. Jani argues historical comparisons break down as markets and capital needs have scaled, and that gen AI’s apparent “intelligence” has surprised even early researchers. They debate token optimization, enterprise adoption timelines, and whether model routing, open source, and alternative chips will reshape demand without collapsing frontier-model growth. The conversation explores the massive, debt-fueled AI infrastructure build, parallels to late-1990s fiber, NVIDIA’s incentives to diversify customers, and the risk...

In this episode we’re at The Dead Rabbit, grabbing a pint with serial entrepreneur and operator, Bill Harris, best known as an early CEO of PayPal.

Bill is a veteran FinTech executive who has also served as CEO of Intuit. He later founded Personal Capital, a digital wealth management firm that grew to manage billions in assets before being acquired - and he's now founder and CEO of Evergreen.ai, continuing to innovate in financial technology and investment management.

We discuss the early days of Fintech, the gamification of the market, and what it wa...

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Guy Adami is joined by Peter Boockvar, CIO of OnePoint BFG Financial, to break down the growing cracks in the Bank of Japan's decades-long rate repression experiment and what a yen reversal could mean for global bond markets. They dig into the historic move in Treasury yields following Kevin Warsh's press conference, rising credit stress in the AI trade (including Meta's off-balance-sheet financing and CoreWeave's blown-out credit default swaps), and why single-stock volatility may be signaling something bigger. They close out with a deep dive on gold — why...

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On today's show, Dan Nathan and Guy Adami break down a wild Thursday in the markets: Microsoft up 15% and Meta do...

Dan Nathan sits down with Adam Nelson, fintech-focused VC partner, to break down why stablecoins and tokenized real-world assets are set to reshape the financial system. They cover the GENIUS Act’s impact on regulatory clarity, why Circle’s net income now rivals major banks, how Visa and Mastercard are responding to the threat, and the rise of companies like Rain and Velocity building the infrastructure layer. They also dig into why traditional banking moats are eroding, and close with a look at Hyperliquid, perpetual futures, and the growth of prediction markets like Kalshi and Polymarket.

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Guy Adami and Danny Moses discuss rising global yields and stress points in markets, focusing on Japan’s weakening yen, deteriorating bond market, and risks around Japan’s role as a major US Treasury holder and potential carry-trade unwind, with BOJ and Fed meetings ahead. They note August’s tendency toward volatility and how attention may shift from strong earnings to macro concerns as AI-driven CapEx pressures free cash flow at hyperscalers, raising valuation questions and fears of open-source competition. They preview key earnings including Apple (seen as a de...

Apex Fintech Solutions provides the tools and services that enable hundreds of clients to launch, scale, and support digital investing for tens of millions of end investors. The company provides essential infrastructure and a comprehensive ecosystem of cloud-based products to enable and streamline trading, wealth management, cost basis, tax reporting, and, through its subsidiary Apex Clearing™, custody and clearing.

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Cameron Dawson, CIO of NewEdge Wealth, joins Dan Nathan to break down her "Metallica Market" outlook and why the hyperscalers ar...

Dan Nathan sits down with Rick Heitzmann, co-founder and partner at FirstMark Capital, to kick off a new Okay, Computer. series on AI investing. They dig into the circular financing behind the AI infrastructure boom — from Nvidia backstopping Apollo's private credit for xAI to Meta's off-balance-sheet data center deals with KKR and Blue Owl — plus the shift from "tokenmaxxing" to an efficiency era, the rise of Chinese open-source models, memory stock froth, and what's next for the IPO market after SpaceX.

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Today we’re in the East Village, having cocktails at Please Don’t Tell - one of the most iconic cocktail bars in New York City. PDT is currently run by award-winning bartender Jeff Bell. Jeff started as a bar back in 2010, and now he owns the place. How about that? He joins us alongside Richard Betts. There are fewer than 300 Master Sommeliers in the entire world, and Richard was one of them. He’s also built some of the most distinctive brands in the industry, including Sombra Mezcal, Astral Tequila, and most recently Tequila Komos. We discuss the busine...

Dan Nathan and Guy Adami break down a wild week across markets — memory stocks in freefall, Google's brutal two-day selloff, and why China's AI models are closing the gap without top-tier Nvidia chips.

Micron cratered from its all-time high of $1,255 to $800 in a matter of weeks, and the DRAM ETF whipsawed right along with it. Guy and Dan dig into whether this is a routine flush or something bigger. Google sold off 10% after Gemini news broke the hyperscaler rotation narrative, and they debate whether the moat still holds given decelerating margins and ballooning capex.

On th...

Apex Fintech Solutions provides the tools and services that enable hundreds of clients to launch, scale, and support digital investing for tens of millions of end investors. The company provides essential infrastructure and a comprehensive ecosystem of cloud-based products to enable and streamline trading, wealth management, cost basis, tax reporting, and, through its subsidiary Apex Clearing™, custody and clearing.

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Dan and Guy speak with legendary short seller Jim Chanos about extreme market dispersion beneath an S&P near all-time hi...

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Danny Moses welcomes Porter Collins and Vincent Daniel back to the On The Tape podcast as Q2 earnings begin amid renewed inflation concerns, Middle East tensions, and continued AI-driven equity enthusiasm. They discuss the Fed being “in a box” between cooling inflation, housing softness, and rising government interest costs, and use Kalshi markets to frame views, including expecting no Fed hike before 2027. The conv...

Dan Nathan and Guy Adami host Ben Emons of FedWatch Advisors to discuss shifting Fed communication under Kevin Warsh, including a push away from strong forward guidance like recent comments from Waller. Emons distinguishes disinflation from deflation, noting a negative month-to-month CPI driven by energy declines but warning energy has already rebounded, making expectations volatile. He highlights “funflation” in categories like recreation and food away from home alongside broad underlying price pressures. The group debates whether AI is inflationary, with Emons pointing to supply-constrained memory prices and AI-related investment as drivers, and discusses IBM’s sharp drop after clients shifte...

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Guy Adami and Liz Thomas discuss recent “momentum on, momentum off” volatility, with semiconductors swinging and earnings season starting with banks that have traded well despite a flattening yield curve. They debate rising long-term Treasury yields, arguing hikes aren’t appropriate in a slowing economy and tying yield pressure to Middle East conflict, oil inflation fears, and U.S. fiscal indiscipline, with the bond market challenging the Fed’s 2% target under new Chair Kevin Warsh. They touch on private equity weakness versus tight credit spreads, whether credit cycles s...

Dan Nathan sits down with Peter Boockvar (CIO, One Point BFG Wealth Partners) and Louis-Vincent Gave (CEO, Gavekal) to break down the AI arms race, the dollar's structural decline, and where the smart money is rotating next.

They dig into China's "Toyota vs. Ferrari" AI strategy and why cheap, open-source models threaten to commoditize OpenAI and Anthropic's trillion-dollar valuations, the sustainability of a $6.5 trillion AI CapEx buildout, and why record semiconductor concentration in global indexes is creating a crowded, fragile trade. The conversation moves through the energy crunch driving refining shortages worldwide, the case for gold and...

Dan Nathan and Guy Adami open the podcast by framing the day’s key market story as sharp weakness and heightened volatility in memory, chips, and semi equipment, citing rapid reversals in names like Micron and Applied Materials and opaque guidance from Samsung. They discuss whether the AI build-out is increasingly debt-funded—highlighting Amazon and Oracle debt issuance and private credit deals—and reference a “Groundbreaker” piece shared by Jim Chanos arguing investors miss second-derivative slowdowns and that AI resembles a credit-driven real estate cycle more like 2008 than 2000’s patient equity bubble. They note a rotation bounce into software (Microsoft, P...

For today’s episode, we look back at our conversation with Jenny Just and Matt Hulsizer at Apex’s Ascend Innovation Summit.

Jenny and Matt are co-founders of PEAK6 Investments. In 2012, they purchased the company that became Apex and helped shape it into the successful fintech company we know today. Oh and get this - they aren’t just partners in business, they’re also partners in LIFE. Married since 2003.

Over the years, they’ve built a shared vision that technology can make financial markets more accessible, more efficient, and more inclusive. That vision ultimately led to Ape...

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Dan Nathan and Guy Adami break down a market caught in the late stages of euphoria. They dig into Micron's record-high run and the broader memory-stock mania—and ask the uncomfortable question of who's actually left to buy at these levels. With hyperscalers rolling over (Microsoft just posted its worst month since 2000) and Palantir cut in half, Dan and Guy debate whether this is a healthy rotation or the churn before the storm.

The guys also get into the "it's different this time" debate around memory stocks as a secular vs. cyclical trade, the SpaceX debt losses an...

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In this episode of On the Tape, Danny Moses welcomes James Lavish back to the show for a wide-ranging conversation that goes well beyond Bitcoin. Drawing on his background trading risk arbitrage on the floor of the New York Stock Exchange and running the Bitcoin Opportunity Fund, James breaks down why he...

Dan Nathan and Guy Adami open by focusing on heightened volatility in the NASDAQ and semiconductors after the SOXX hit an all-time high then fell 7%, alongside a 10% overnight drop in South Korea’s KOSPI, raising concerns about a global snowball effect. They argue widening volatility bands, “meme stock” dynamics in names like Intel, heavy AI-related capital raising, higher rates, and data-center build push-outs could signal a market high, while the consumer shows strain in retailer and restaurant commentary. They preview Micron earnings, noting extreme implied moves, massive stock swings, and skepticism that “dirt cheap” valuation offsets cyclicality, with high-bandwidth memory now...

In New York, pizza is not just food - it’s part of the city’s DNA. And that story runs deep in Brooklyn where working class immigrant neighborhoods helped shape the pizza we know today. Grimaldi’s, sitting in the shadows of the Brooklyn Bridge, serves authentic, coal-fired brick oven pizza, sought out by tourists, locals and celebs like Ilir Sela, the founder and CEO of Slice. 

As an Albanian raised in Staten Island, pizza was Ilir’s destiny. In this episode, we’re sharing a pie with this founder who transformed mom & pop shops around the country...

Dan Nathan and Guy Adami host a special Risk Reversal episode with guest Danny Moses to discuss the latest Fed meeting under Kevin Warsh, emphasizing peak hawkish messaging, reduced forward guidance (including questioning the dot plot), and the market’s feedback loop. They debate surging volatility and extreme AI/semiconductor valuations, highlighting Intel’s sharp rally on customer speculation and concerns about narrative-driven pricing, correlation risk, and potential CapEx pullbacks, with Micron’s upcoming earnings as a key test. The group also covers gold’s pullback, favoring gold miners like AEM, and argues energy could rebound despite recent weakness. They not...

Is the AI trade a bubble? Imran Khan — founder of Proem Asset Management, former Snap executive, and the banker behind the Alibaba and Mercado Libre IPOs — isn't convinced. Dan Nathan sits down with Imran to pressure-test the bear case, from Nvidia's below-market multiple to the cyclical-vs-secular debate in memory, and to dig into why a big chunk of SpaceX's $2.5T valuation may not be a space story at all.

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Dan Nathan welcomes Current co-founders Stuart Sopp and CTO Trevor Marshall to discuss Current’s business momentum, the fintech landscape, and the evolving AI build-out. Sopp announces an $80 million Series E at a $1.5 billion valuation led by Spring Coast, noting Current’s profitability, deepened partnerships with Cross River and General Catalyst’s customer value fund, and over 70% growth for three consecutive years. Marshall describes Current’s compounding product strategy around combining banking and liquidity, and how disciplined infrastructure cost controls shape their AI approach, including customer-facing personalization and potential use of lower-cost or self-hosted models. The group debates token pricing...