The Baffling Behavior Show {Parenting after Trauma}
Formerly the Parenting after Trauma podcast, internationally recognized children's mental health expert Robyn Gobbel decodes the most baffling behaviors for parents of kids with vulnerable nervous systems. If you're parenting a child who has experienced trauma or toxic stress or a child with a neuroimmune disorder, sensory processing, or other nervous system vulnerability, this show will let you know you are not alone. You can stop playing behavior whack-a-mole because Robyn offers you tools that actually work. You can become your child's expert, feel more confident as a parent, and bring more connection and clarity into your family.Educators, therapists, c...
EP 291: Show Me the Science! When your partner (or anyone else!) wants science- not a metaphor
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EP 290: The Treatment Planning Conversation Every Practitioner Should Have with Parents
I recorded todayâs episode just for our practitioners! But parents- youâll want to listen in, too.
I remember how hard it was at the beginning of my career to recommend to a parent that I thought they could use some support, too. I often felt so uncomfortable making that recommendation- I didnât want parents to feel criticized! - so then Iâd really hedge on the why (because the last thing I want is for that parent to feel blamed), and theyâd leave confused about what theyâre even supposed to be looking for.Â
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EP 289: What Parents of Struggling Kids Need from their Support People with Rose LaPiere
When life with your kid is this hard, asking for help can take more energy than you have. And the people who love you often donât know what to do, so they offer advice, or they stay away.Â
This conversation with Rose Lapiere is one you can hand to them (just send the link, no explaining required).Â
In this episode you will learn:
Why âI have no idea what would help, and Iâm here anywayâ does more for a struggling parent than any piece of adviceWays to lighten a familyâs load that...EP 288: How to Stay Regulated...NOT Calm!!!
Sometimes you work so hard to stay âcalmâ but then realize- it feels totally fake.Â
Yeah, thatâs because sometimes calm makes no sense!
Sometimes the behavior is serious, and you are mad, and of course you are.Â
Regulated doesnât have to mean calm, and thereâs a four-step process that can help you hang onto your owl brain by one sharp talon even while your watchdog is starting to get really active.
In this episode youâll learn:
Why working to look calm when you arenât is hard on you...EP 287: How to scaffold "accepting no"
Does hearing ânoâ or ânot right nowâ or âstop doingâŚâ seem to bring your childâs back-off watchdog or shut-down possum out? Or even worse??
Almost every family Iâve ever worked with has had some sort of struggle with their child tolerating frustration, or disappointment, or not getting what they want.Â
These kids look âspoiled,â and the judgment from others is REAL.Â
But accepting no and tolerating frustration are owl brain skills that can be scaffolded. Thereâs a pretty lengthy âskill stackâ underneath accepting no, and if your child doesnât have a lot of those skills, then...
EP 286: A Checklist for BEING, not doing
I know how intensely we want a checklist. Do this, this, and this, and the dysregulation will end, and your kid will be OK. This episode is the story of chasing exactly that list (Dr. Sears' Attachment Parenting checklist that I worked to check off one by one) and finding something else entirely in Dan Siegel's Parenting From the Inside Out. He didnât give a checklist at all, just a way of being.Â
So, I canât give you a checklist, but this episode is the closest thing I can give you: a stance to hold as yo...
EP 285: Triggers & Beliefs Only Parenting Seems to Activate
Sometimes itâs the little moments that overwhelm us more than the big, scary ones. The "whatever" muttered under their breath, the stash of snack wrappers under the bed, or they flatly deny something you're 99% sure they did. Sure, these things are frustrating, and it makes sense youâd have a reaction- but for some reason, you find yourself in zero to fury before you even had a chance to think.Â
It can feel so perplexing. There was no meltdown, no real crisis- why is the reaction oh so big? This episode digs into whyâŚand what those $...
EP 284: Wherever You Are is Exactly Right (me too)
I know you are working so, so, so hard to hold onto your owl brain.
Maybe you're at the stage where you don't even notice you've flipped your lid until hours later.Â
Maybe you're at the stage where you can see it happening and still can't stop it.Â
Either way, there's probably an old, familiar voice telling you that you should be further along than you are by now.
I was once exactly there, too. Hollering- literally - at my own therapist for the reality that I wasnât changing faster. I wa...
EP 283: What if I'm too burned out to do any of these things?
Almost always when Iâm teaching or presenting, a parent is finally brave enough to ask: âWhat if I'm too burned out to do any of this?âÂ
And then at least half the other parents in the room look expectantly at me because they, too, are wondering how they could possibly conjure up enough energy to use playfulness. They arenât even sure they like their kid enough to offer enough cues of safety.
This episode looks at the physiology of burn out, why the strategies you already know feel completely out of reach when you're th...
EP 282: Parents & Practitioners Need the Same Thing- and it's not more tools
You've called every therapist in town and heard the same thing back: not taking new clients. Or you're the one on the other end of that call, staring at a kid whose behavior you can't make sense of, wondering if you're just not cut out for this.Â
I get it. I intimately understand both sides of this struggle.Â
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why a dysregulated parent needs the same thing from their practitioner that a child needs from their parentWhat actually changes behavior long-term (hint: unfortunately, itâs not a to...EP 281: What I Wanted Every Kid in My Office to Know
My guiding north star when I was a therapist working with kids (and grown-ups) was always helping them not just get to know their brain and how it works, but actually to develop a relationship with the parts of themselves that seemed to always be getting into trouble. It's not really just brain facts that are helpful to kids. Teaching them about their brain creates the possibility that they can develop a new relationship with their brain- and thatâs where the real magic starts to happen.Â
In this episode you'll learn:
Why understanding you...EP 280: Either You Co-Regulate or You De-Escalate: An Interview with Chrissy DâAgostino
You've probably heard "a dysregulated adult can't co-regulate a child" a hundred times. But if you've ever been stuck in a store with a screaming kid â or a classroom with 17 screaming kids â and zero bandwidth left, you know how useless that advice can feel in the moment. This episode is a conversation with Chrissy D'Agostino, co-author of the new Early Years Guidebook from the Regulated Classroom, about what to do when you're with a dysregulated child, and you're dysregulated too. Youâll hear practical ideas that are actually helpful for a stressed and tapped-out grown-up.Â
In this ep...
EP 279: Is There a Behavior Intervention Flowchart??
You want the flowchart. Of course you do! If X, then Y would be something to follow when there's no bandwidth left to think it through in the moment. But there isn't a flowchart, and this episode gets into why: stress capacity shifts by the hour, different nervous system states pull different memory networks online, and two nervous systems are shaping each other in real time, not just one. What there is instead is a map. Knowing both how to read it and how to adjust when something unexpected happens is crucial.Â
In this episode you'll l...
EP 278: So Many Services! How to Prioritize?
OT on Tuesday, a speech eval callback on Wednesday, play therapy on Thursday, a school meeting on Friday that's really just another appointment in disguise. When the calendar starts looking like a second job, the question that actually matters isn't a number â it's whether all of it is moving your family toward regulation, connection, and felt safety, or quietly draining it. This episode walks through how to prioritize when everything's been recommended, and nothing fits, when it's genuinely okay to pause the therapy someone called non-negotiable, and why supporting your own nervous system might be the highest-leverage intervention in th...
Ep 277: This Kind of Shame Doesn't Heal Alone: A Parent Guest
So many struggling and overwhelmed parents feel like their biggest problems are their kids' behaviors and the chaos that's taking over their family. This week's guest, a longtime Club member, talks about how she slowly came to realize that what she really needed to focus on wasn't strategies to change her kids' behavior, but experiences that would soften the shame she was carrying.
This guest bravely shares that her shame didn't soften on her own. It took showing up in community with other parents who were honest about their own mess and who received her without judgment...
EP 276: Cues of Safety: How to Help when Nothing is Ever Right
Every morning (or afternoon or evening) feels like just one long stream of complaints. Breakfast isnât right, the bowl isnât right, SOMETHING is always not right, and no matter what gets fixed, itâs never right enough.
^That perfectly describes a nervous system stuck in protection mode.Â
This weekâs episode explores how and why nervous systems get stuck and practical ways you can help- even when NOTHING you do seems to help.Â
In this episode you will learn:
Why your child's reaction is almost never about the thing they...EP 275: Does Lowering Demands Ever Cause More Stress?
Screens. Sugar. Anything that feels really good. The advice to just "lower the demand" can fall really short because for some kids, more access brings real relief. But for others, more access actually causes more stress and we wind up asking kids to take on a responsibility that is beyond their developmental capacity. Â
This episode digs into what's actually generating the stress underneath the behavior, and what it looks like when a kid needs to be held steady instead of shifting our expectations.
In this episode you will learn:
Why high-reward things l...EP 274: The Only Three Things You Actually Need to Remember
Every behavior. Every parenting moment that feels impossible. It all comes back to three sentences â the three core tenets that distill how relational neuroscience makes sense of behavior and give us a roadmap toward change.
This episode lays out the three truths underneath everything I do â this podcast, my books, The Club, the Immersion Program â and why they matter more than any single strategy ever could. Caring for kids with big, baffling behaviors is so overwhelming and confusing. Having an anchor is non-negotiable.
In this episode you'll learn:
The three sentences that hold u...EP 273: What this Framework Asks of Helpers
You know that kid who just can't stay in the therapy room? They leave, wander around, get into things that aren't theirs, or are maybe even destructive? And three therapists have already called it quits.
Maybe this describes your kid. Maybe this describes the kids you work with. This episode is for both of you. The helper who is trying to be with this kid, wondering what they're doing wrong. The helper who is working with a furious or checked-out parent â because it's the same question. But this episode is for the parent of that kid, too.
...EP 272: Where Do I Even Start? A Brand New Listener's Roadmap
When life is overwhelming and your kid's behavior makes no sense â and feels like it's getting worse â even the best resources get hard to use. You're too dysregulated to sort through 270 episodes or an almost 300-page book to figure out where to start. Of course you are.
This episode breaks down why you freeze in the face of new information, or end up just begging someone to tell you what to do â plus a personal story about learning that the hard way, and the actual order to work through instead.
In this e...
EP 271: 4 Functions of Behavior, FBAs, and a Nervous System Approach
For years, "the four functions of behavior" has been the go-to framework for understanding why kids do what they do: attention, escape, access to tangibles, sensory. It's not wrong, but it's not the whole story either. In this episode, we dig into where this model actually came from, what it leaves out, and what's underneath it once we go looking with a relational neuroscience lens.
In this episode, you'll learn:Â
Where the four functions of behavior actually came from, and why this is relevantWhy naming a behavior's "function" and saying it started in the n...EP 270: What is Your Kid's Nervous System Predicting? (Part 3 of 3)
We've been in a three-part series on sticky behaviors (behaviors that donât seem to change, no matter WHAT you do!), and today we're doing the detective work: what is your specific child's nervous system actually predicting?Â
In This Episode
Three detective questions to help you identify what prediction might be driving your child's stickiest behaviors, and what those behaviors are actually protecting againstWhy you don't have to get the detective work exactly right, because the mismatched experience that changes the brain is almost always the same thing no matter what prediction is runningHow you...EP 269: What Actually Changes Sticky Behaviors (Part 2 of 3)
Part 1 was about why sticky behaviors stay stuck. Part 2 is where the hope lives. We're diving into the two mechanisms that actually change sticky behaviors at the neurological level. This is the episode that makes the hardest ask of Part - shifting away from âfix-itâ and âthis has to changeâ energy- make sense.
In this episode you'll learn:
Why your child's dysregulation isn't the obstacle to healing; it's actually the doorway to itThe two mechanisms that change sticky behaviors at the neurological level, why one creates the conditions for the other, and why neither of them...EP 268: Why Sticky Behaviors Stay Stuck (Part 1 of 3)
If you've tried everything and a behavior just won't stopâŚthat's a sticky behavior. Let's dive deeeeeep into the neuroscience behind the behaviors that feel impossible to change. We'll touch on how the brain stores predictions and how the most well-meaning response can actually, unintentionally, keep those predictions locked in place and perpetuate that sticky behavior. This is Part 1 of a 3-part series that brings new aha moments to your child's most baffling behaviors.
In this episode, you will learn:
Why your child's brain holds onto certain behaviors so tightly, and why it has no...Ep. 267: Boredom Triggers Dysregulation
When kids can't tolerate boredom, it's easy to forget to put on our X-ray vision goggles and chalk it up to too much screen time or even not enough gratitude. Our kidsâ reaction to boredom triggers OUR watchdog brain! If we can invite our owl to come back, we will almost certainly see that boredom flips our kidsâ nervous system into protection mode.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why boredom can trigger the nervous system to shift onto the protection pathwayHow vulnerability in the nervous system (whether from ADHD, autism, trauma, or any other reas...EP 266: When Things Are Genuinely Impossible: One Dadâs Story
A dad - who is also a former foster youth and the director of non-profit supporting foster and adoptive families - shares an honest and tender conversation about what it's actually like to parent kids with big, baffling behaviors when life is also impossibly hard. He shares the staggering losses his family has carried over the past few years, how he found The Baffling Behavior Show, Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors, and The ClubâŚand what has genuinely helped him keep going. This one is for every parent who has felt utterly alone in this journey- AND for ev...
EP 265: Nothing Changed & Everything Changed - A mom interview
A single mom who adopted boy-girl twins through foster care shares about her slow, almost invisible journey from survival mode to genuinely delighting in her now-13-year-old kids. Nothing shifted in one big moment. Yet somehow, everything changed.
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why the shift from "I have to fix this right now" to "I can just be with you in this" is the thing that changes everything â for your kids and for youHow letting go of performing shame (in school meetings, with professionals, for society) freed up the energy to actually parentWhy the...EP 264: Responding to the Judgement and Advice from Others
Parenting kids with big, baffling behaviors is hard enough. THEN someone has opinions about it. This episode breaks down why people say the things they say, what's actually happening in you when judgment lands, and how to respond- or not respond- in a way that protects your own regulation.
In this episode:
Why unsolicited advice and criticism are almost always a projection from the other person's protection brain How to recognize when explaining yourself won't actually help Practical ways to respond to judgmentScripts
"Thank you. I'm comfortable with our pa...EP 263: The Framework That Works on Everyone in the Room
Whether you're supporting a dysregulated eight-year-old, a parent who's convinced nothing is working, or the version of yourself driving home after a really hard week, the science is exactly the same. Letâs look at how the theory underneath this podcast, Raising Kids with Big, Baffling Behaviors, and the BBTIâs Professional Immersion Program are grounded in the same unified relational neuroscience framework. This paradigm supports your work with kids, parents, and yourself. You only have to learn it once, because it scales!
This is the second episode in a row Iâve recorded for professionals and helper...
EP 262: Why Helpers Burn Out- and what to do about it
The helpers ~ therapists, coaches, teachers, advocates ~ are burning out at alarming rates. We talk endlessly about self-care, caseload management, and having better boundaries but almost nobody is addressing the root cause.Â
This is a special episode that I recorded for all the professionals who listen. All the helpers who show up day after day because they love to help the parents of kids with big, baffling behaviors. All the helpers who are tired and wondering how much longer they can keep doing this.Â
In this episode, you'll learn:
Why working with clients in...EP 261: When It's Not Working: Troubleshooting
You've learned about the nervous system, you're trying to co-regulate, you're thinking about felt safety and connection â and the behavior is still happening! WHY?!?! This episode is a troubleshooting guide for exactly that moment. Instead of going back to the drawing board, we're going deeper into the same map: getting curious about regulation, felt safety, connection, and skills to figure out what the nervous system actually needs.
In this episode you'll learn:
Why the question is never "what consequence haven't I tried yet?" â and what to ask insteadHow to troubleshoot each of the four cond...{REPLAY} Is Co-Regulation Just Coddling??
This episode originally aired in September 2024.Â
Almost every time I teach, especially if there are folks in the audience not already familiar with my work or the concept of co-regulation, someone asks the very valid question of-Â
âIsnât this (co-regulation) just coddling?â
Fair question! There are a lot of underlying assumptions and fears in this question that we will deconstruct in todayâs episode.
Spoiler: Co-regulation is NOT coddling!
In this episode, youâll learn
The difference between co-regulation and coddlingWhy asking this question hel...EP 260: No Strategy Will Fix This: What Actually Helped Instead
Listen in on a conversation I have with a Club member whose family lived through years of intense, violent, and deeply isolating behaviorâŚand eventually found their way to something different. Itâs a story about holding onto the truth of who your child is, even when everything in front of you makes that feel impossible.
In this episode, youâll learn:
Why âjust tell me what to doâ doesnât work in the hardest situations, and what actually helps insteadHow holding onto your childâs true essence can anchor you, even in the most dysregula...EP 259: Holding Hope when your Child's Behavior is Truly Dangerous
Parenting a child with big, baffling behaviors can feel terrifying sometimes. Especially when those behaviors arenât just frustrating⌠theyâre dangerous. In this episode, Iâm talking with a parent who knows that reality deeply, and who is also finding a way to hold onto hope.
In this episode, youâll learn:
Why seeing your child as âgoodâ doesnât mean ignoring serious or dangerous behaviorHow one parent stays steady even when others say, âThis child isnât worth it.âWhat actually helps behavior change (hint: itâs not punishment, but itâs not the absence of account...EP 258: Creating a Connected Classroom with Marti Smith & Amie Huggins
What if the biggest barrier to learning in the classroom isnât behavior⌠but safety?
Teachers are overwhelmed. Kids are dysregulated. And somewhere in the middle, everyone is trying their bestâŚbut itâs not working the way we hoped. In this conversation, I sit down with occupational therapist Marti Smith and educator Amie Huggins to talk about what happens when we bring relational neuroscience into the classroom in real, practical ways.
In this episode, youâll learn:
Why behavior in the classroom makes more sense when we see it as communication, not defian...EP 257: One Reason why Kids Melt Down after School
When your kid melts down after school, it seems like they just have a bad attitude or donât want to do homework. But sometimes those explosions have less to do with behavior and more to do with a nervous system that has been working hard to handle sensory stress all day long.
In this episode, youâll learn:
Why do many kids fall apart after school, even if they seemed âfineâ all dayHow the sensory environment at school can slowly chip away at a childâs regulationWhy after-school meltdowns often happen with the people kid...EP 256: When Behavior Feels Personal, It Might Actually Be Sensory
Have you ever had one of those moments where your child completely loses it over the wrong cup, a sibling getting too close, or one tiny thing at the end of the day? It can feel like they are actually mad at you- or their sibling. But actually, rude, defiant, or shutdown behavior might actually have a lot more to do with sensory overwhelm and a nervous system thatâs simply run out of capacity and almost NOTHING to do with how mad they are because you gave them the wrong cup.Â
In this episode, youâll le...
EP 255: Grieving as a Parent with a History of Trauma: Part 6 of 6
The Grief No One Talks About in Trauma-Informed Parenting
Sometimes the hardest part of parenting isnât your childâs behavior, itâs the grief that rises up inside you. The grief of not getting what you needed. The grief of still healing while youâre trying to parent intentionally. In this episode, we talk about the quiet, complicated grief that can come with parenting a child with a vulnerable nervous system when you have your own history of trauma.
In this episode, youâll learn:
{RERECORD} But....What about a Consequence?!
This episode is an update and re-record of episode 56
Consequences. Punishments. Limits. Boundaries.
These words don't mean the same thing but we often use them interchangeably.
In this episode, we get clear on what exactly is a consequence versus a punishment versus a boundary.
And how parenting through the lens of regulation, connection, and felt-safety is absolutely not boundary-less or permissive parenting.
It's a way of looking at our kids and asking "What does my child need for their success to be inevitable?" and then giving them that.
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EP 254: Identifying Your Triggers as a Parent with a History of Trauma: Part 5 of 6
If youâre parenting a child with a vulnerable nervous system when you have your own history of trauma, you know that sometimes your reaction isnât really about whatâs happening in front of you; itâs about whatâs happened before. In this episode, weâre talking about how to gently uncover what might be going on when you have a huge stress response to a stressor that didnât quite need an attack-level watchdog response.
In this episode, youâll learn:
What a trigger actually is (and why it doesnât feel...