Making Movies is HARD!!!: The Struggles of Indie Filmmaking

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By: Liz Manashil & Alrik Bursell

Liz Manashil and Alrik Bursell discuss independent filmmaking, everything from writing, producing and directing to working as crew. But this is not just a podcast about "making it," it's also about struggling with rejection, self-doubt and everything else that comes with pursuing a career in film. Follow along as we forge our own way through the industry and talk to guests who are also making it happen. Episodes 238-299 are available at our patreon page: https://www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast

Hassan Said - Briana Walsh - Jordan Potch - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#549
Last Friday at 2:00 PM

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 223 from August 2019 featuring filmmaker Writer director Hassan Said and Stars Briana Walsh and Jordan Potch days after they finished shooting their one take feature, This is Your Song. Alrik thought this was a good match for our episode from monday with J. Davis and Andre Hyland because this is the only other time I think we had a writer/director and the stars of the movie on the show together. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to supp...


J. Davis and Andre Hyland - Making Feature #2 and the Actor/Director Relationship!
#549
10/06/2025

This week we welcome writer/director J Davis and Star Andre Hyland on the show to talk about the making of I Hate Myself and I Want to Die which premiered at the Austin Film Festival last fall, just about a year ago! Our producer extraordinaire Eric Toms conducted this interview from the Omni Hotel in Austin so it’s sure to be a good one. After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podc...


Yoko Okumura - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#548
10/02/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 414 from March 2023 featuring writer director, Yoko Okumura! Alrik thought this was a good match for our episode with Mercedes Bryce Morgan from Monday because Yoko also started doing a ton of short content before making her first feature. After that we play another round of You’re the Expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adsw...


Mercedes Bryce Morgan - From Short Content to Paid Feature Work!
#548
09/29/2025

This week we welcome writer/director Mercedes Bryce Morgan on the show to talk about her latest film Bone Lake, how she got the feature and her start doing paid short form content. After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


Anne Hu - Geoffrey Prather - Bryan Poyser - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#547
09/25/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 453 from December 2023 with short filmmakers Anne Hu, Geoffrey Prather and Bryan Poyser who all talk about their latest short films at the time. We felt that this short filmmaker roundtable was a good match for our episode with Brandon ShipCowSky and Ted Hayden from Monday because they also talked about making their latest short films. After that Liz and I talk about our do’s and don’t's in giving/receiving feedback during post, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpo...


Brandon Shypkowski and Ted Hayden - Why Make a Short?
#547
09/22/2025

This week we have a very special episode featuring not one but two indie short filmmakers who come on to talk about their films in separate segments. First up we have Brandon Shypkowski to talk about his film 29 Palms which he also co-starred in and then we talk to Ted Hayden who talks about his short Violet Vendetta which is an awesome action comedy starring Brandon Lee from Cobra Kai! After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://po...


Asif Akbar - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#546
09/18/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 352 from January 2022 featuring producer, writer and director Asif Akbar. I thought this was a good match for our episode with Kenny Beaumont from Monday because they both produce and direct narrative features. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our coll...


Kenny Beaumont - Producing Family Movies Full Time and Directing F+!
#546
09/15/2025

This week we welcome writer/director/producer Kenny Beaumont on the show to talk about how he got his first feature F+ made and funded, his days producing dog movies and how he made his way to working on movies full time. After that we play another round of THE GAME and talk about the current statuses of our projects, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for in...


Theo Brown - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#545
09/11/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 463 from February 2024 with filmmaker Theo Brown who talks about making his first feature indie sci-feature on a low budget and how he casted the film. I thought this was a good match for Lincoln from Monday because both their features were low budget sci-fi films which they kinda did on their own with really small crews. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podc...


Lincoln Fenner - Turning a Profit on a Indie Sci-Fi Feature Before the Release!
#545
09/08/2025

This week we welcome filmmaker Lincoln Fenner who is based in Australia to talk about his indie sci-fi feature Time Rewind which made it’s budget back before it was released on digital. It’s just me on the show today so no The Game but I’m going to talk a bit about where I am at with my next feature and my current projects, read a brand new review of the show and read an email from a listener, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts...


Michael Molina - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#544
09/04/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 232 from October 2019 featuring writer Michael Molina who talks about being a tsaff writer on animated show The Casagraandes and making his first feature Trivia night back in 2016. Alrik thought this was a good match for our episode with Toby Jones from Monday because both Toby and Michael write in animation and also made their own indie features as well. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Revi...


Toby Jones - Creating an Imaginative No Budget Indie Comedy!
#544
09/01/2025

This week we welcome writer/director Toby Jones on the show to talk about his latest film AJ Goes to the Dog Park, which he made 100% independently out in Fargo North Dakota. After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


Larry Fessenden - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#543
08/28/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 315 from April 2021 with actor, writer and director Larry Fessenden who talked about acting alongside Barbara Crampton in Jakobs Wife. We felt that Larry was a good match for our episode with Macon Blair on Monday because they are both indie legends who write, director and act and I think it’s interesting to compare the differences and similarities of their stories. After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Revi...


Macon Blair - Remaking the Cult Classic The Toxic Avenger!
#543
08/25/2025

This week we welcome indie film rockstar, actor, writer and director Macon Blair on the show to talk about writing and directing The Toxic Avenger Remake which releases in theaters this week! Macon also talks about the impact Blue Ruin had on his career and the circumstances that lead to him directing The Toxic Avenger! After that we play another round of Your the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See ht...


Brian Helgeland - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#542
08/21/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 454 from December 2023 featuring writer and director Brian Helgeland who talks about making his latest feature Finestkind starring Ben Foster and Tommy Lee Jones.Alrik thought it would be fun to pair Brain with Chuck Russell from Monday because Brain also directed some really big and monumental movies in Alrik’s life from the 90s, namely Payback. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcas...


Chuck Russell - How to Approach Remaking a Horror Classic with Witchboard!
#542
08/18/2025

This week we welcome Writer, director Chuck Russell on the show to talk about remaking Witchboard as his latest feature, we also talk about his hayday as a director, getting to direct NIghtmare on Elmstreet 3, The Blob remake, The Mask and Eraser. After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data fo...


Maria Loohufvud and Love Martinsen - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#541
08/14/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 404 from December 2022 featuring documentary filmmakers Maria Loohufvud and Love Martinesen who talked about making their documentary Calendar Girls! I thought this was a good match for our episode with Julie Meyer from Monday because they both made documentaries about artists, doing something that they believe in, just in very different circumstances. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/p...


Julie Meyer - Filming Ballet Dancers in Ukraine During Wartime!
#541
08/11/2025

This week we welcome producer Julie Meyer on the show to talk about the documentary The Sky Was on Fire, Ballet and War in the Ukraine, where she talks about how the project came to be and what it was like traveling to Ukraine to film the movie. After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our co...


Jason Horton - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#540
08/07/2025

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Jason Park - Putting Your Filmmaking Success in Your Own Hands!
#540
08/05/2025

This week we welcome writer/director/editor/colorist and actor Jason Park on the show to talk about how he has made his 8 features on his own, while raising a family and having a day job. He also breaks down how he manages to shoot his movies primarily on the weekends. After that we play another round of THE GAME and talk about the current statuses of our projects., enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an...


Jeff Ryan - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#539
08/02/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 439 from August 2023 featuring filmmaker Jeff Ryan who talks about making his feature Mean Spirited, he thought this was a good match for our episode from Monday because Liz thought this was a good match because both of their movies have Spirit in the title. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an A...


Christopher Yates and Sabrina Zahir - Coming Together as Producer and Director to Make a First Feature!
#539
07/28/2025

This week we welcome writer/director Christopher Yates and producer Sabrina Zahir on the show to talk about the making of American Spirit which premiered at the Austin Film Festival last fall. Our producer extraordinaire Eric Toms conducted this interview from the Omni Hotel in Austin so it’s sure to be a good one. After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm...


Adam Cooper - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#538
07/24/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 468 from March 2024 featuring writer and director Adam Cooper who talks about making his first feature starring Russell Crowe after a career writing studio features. I thought it would be fun to pair it with James and Sebastian from Monday because James also started his career writing studio features before becoming a director. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com...


James DeMonaco and Sebastien Lemercier - Forming a Lasting Director Producer Partnership!
#538
07/21/2025

This week we welcome Writer, director James DeMonaco and Producer Sebastien Lemercier on the show to talk about making their latest feature The Home starring Pete Davidson and they also talk about how they connected as a team and how they brought The Purge into existence. After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and us...


Ryan Spindell - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#537
07/17/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 413 from February 2023 with filmmaker Ryan Spindell who talks about making his first feature which was an anthology, horror film that he made with the help of the success of one of the shorts that make up the feature. We felt that Ryan was a good match for Rick because they both used a short to fundraise their features in different ways. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a...


Rick Bosner - From Serial Feature Producer to Feature Film Writer/Director!
#537
07/14/2025

This week we welcome long-time producer Rick Bosner back on the show to talk about directing his first feature Devoted, which is currently in post production After that we play another round of THE GAME and Liz is back, hooray!!! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


Thom Harp - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#536
07/11/2025

On this throwback episode, we revisit the interview with writer and director Thom Harp where he talks about making his move to LA, getting reps, making connections and then after many many years, making his two first features back to back during the pandemic with a focus on The Donor Party starring Malin Ackerman --- After that we play another round of You’re the Expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See...


Kim Noonan - Getting Hired to Direct a Horror Feature!
#536
07/08/2025

This week we welcome director Kim Noonan on the show to talk about making his latest feature film Are You There?, how he got attached to the project and how Kim ended up having two features come out the same year! After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for ad...


Ren: The Girl with The Mark - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#535
07/04/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 470 from April 2024 with Ren: The Girl with The Mark Co Creators/Directors/Writers, Kate Madison and Christopher Dane and current showrunner DP and Writer Neil Oseman. I thought these guys were a perfect match for our interview with Sarha Jefferson Carter and Justin Carter because they both made a fantasy series on a similar budget. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! http...


Nina Conti and Shenoah Allen - Turning a Live Stage Show into a Feature Film!
#535
06/30/2025

This week we welcome Writer, director and star and producer/star couple Nina Conti and Shenoah Allen on the show to talk about making their first fiction feature, Sunlight which they made together based on a live show they did on stage together. After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal da...


Emily Abt - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#534
06/26/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 424 from May 2023 with writer and director Emily Abt who talks about getting into Sundance with her first feature and making her second feature Thirsty, which is not streaming on all platforms! I thought this was a great time to re-release the episode now that the movie is out and ready to be shared with the world! After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podc...


Sarah Jefferson Carter and Justin Carter - Making a Completely Independent TV Show!
#534
06/23/2025

This week we welcome Sarah Jefferson Carter and Justin Carter on the show to talk about creating their indie fantasy sci-fi show Queendom Come, how they financed the show and how they made it the way they did. After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


Kestrin Pantera - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#533
06/20/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 267 from June 2020 featuring writer director Kestrin Pantera! Alrik thought this was a good match for our episode with Hala Matar from Monday because Kestrin also talks about making her first feature. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and...


Hala Matar - From a Trip to Italy to Making a First Feature Film!
#533
06/16/2025

This week we welcome writer director Hala (Hella) Matar on the show to talk about making her first feature film Electra in Italy. After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.


Abby Horton and Ryan Dickie - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#532
06/12/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 443 from September 2023 featuring writer and director husband and wife team Abby Horton and Ryan Dickie talking about making their first feature together as a team. I thought it would be fun to pair it with Brian and David’s episode from Monday because they are also a married couple who came together to write and direct a feature as a team. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a R...


David Joseph Craig and Brain Crano - Directing a Dream Feature with Your Life Partner!
#532
06/09/2025

This week we welcome Writer and director power couple Brian Crano and David Joseph Craig on the show to talk about writing I Don’t Understand You, how they came up with the story, how they got it made and what it was like to write and direct the movie together . After that we play another round of THE GAME, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for info...


Natalie Erika James - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#531
06/05/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 273 from July 2020 featuring writer and director Natalie Erika James. Alrik thought this was a good match for our episode with Julia Max from Monday because they both made supernatural horror films as their first features, both with substantial budgets. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm...


Julia Max - Orchestrating Your Dream First Feature Film!
#531
06/02/2025

This week we welcome Writer/Director Julia Max on the show to talk about how she made her first feature The Surrender on a high budget, how she found the money and her process for pulling the film together once she found the budget. After that we play another round of THE GAME and talk about what we are both up to, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.co...


J.J. Perry - BONUS Throwback Interview!
#530
05/30/2025

On this Thursday bonus episode we are going to play the interview from episode 493 from September 2024 featuring director and stuntman JJ Perry! I thought this was a good match for our episode with Kirsten Foe from Monday because JJ also started in stunts before moving onto directing, so I thought it would be fun to pair it with Kirsten's episode. After that we play another round of You’re the expert, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by S...


Kirsten Foe - Navigating the World of Stunts, Directing an Indie Film and Finding the Right Collaborators!
#530
05/26/2025

This week we welcome Writer, Director and Stunt Woman Kirsten Foe on the show to talk about how she got into stunts and how she was able to get her first feature financed by the late great Jim Irsay. This was recorded before his death so our condolences to his friends and family. After that we play another round of THE GAME and talk about what we are both up to, enjoy! Don’t forget to support us on Patreon! www.patreon.com/mmihpodcast Leave us a Review on Apple Podcasts! https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/making-movies-is-hard-the-struggles-of-indie-filmmaking/id1006416952 Hosted by...