Maintenance Phase

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By: Aubrey Gordon & Michael Hobbes

Debunking the junk science behind health fads, wellness scams and nonsensical nutrition advice.

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Suzanne Somers Part 1
Today at 10:00 AM

In the 1990s, sitcom star Suzanne Somers introduced Americans to one of the bestselling pieces of exercise equipment of all time: The ThighMaster. On this episode, we explore her harrowing early years. Chat, where are we at on punching nuns?

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Suzanne Somers Fought Back Against Her Abusive Father—and Changed Her Li...


RFK Jr.'s Buckwild Belief That HIV Doesn't Cause AIDS
09/21/2026

The rise, fall and rise of the most nonsensical conspiracy theory we've ever heard.

Thanks to Gregg Gonsalves for helping us fact-check this episode! 

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Denying AIDS: Conspiracy Theories and Pseudoscience in a Post-COVID WorldImpure Science: AIDS, Activism, and the Politics of KnowledgeThe Duesberg PhenomenonAIDS Denialism Beliefs among People Living with HIV/AIDSHIV Denial in the Internet EraHIV Denial in the COVID EraHow COVID c...


Why Don't We Have a Surgeon General?
07/27/2026

We’re nearly halfway through Trump's second term and we still don’t have a Surgeon General. What gives?

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White House withdraws nomination of Janette NesheiwatTrump’s Surgeon General Pick Distorted Key Parts of Her RĂ©sumé Dr. Janette Nesheiwat takes role at Walter Reed treating Havana SyndromeWhen Did RFK Jr Start Listening to Calley and Casey Means? What Casey Means and MAHA Want You to FearTru...


Salt
06/10/2026

In the 1980s, a low-sodium diet was seen as the gold standard for healthy behavior. In 2026, salt has been repackaged as “electrolytes” and is now cast as a core component of wellness. How did we get here?

Also, an important correction: One pound of butter to one pound of potatoes is Joel Robuchon’s recipe.

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The 25 Saltiest Restaurant Meals in America Facts, Issues, and Controversies in Salt Re...


Tim Ferriss’s "The 4-Hour Body" (feat. Peter Shamshiri)
04/16/2026

We're joined by Mike's If Books Could Kill co-host to revisit a biohacking diet book for the boys.

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The 4-Hour BodyDoes Glycemic Index Matter for Weight Loss? An Examination of the Evidence New! Improved! Shape Up Your Life! The 4-Hour Body: The Real App You Are Working On Is An App Called Yourself

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Russell Brand Part 2
04/01/2026

What do you do when you've flamed out as a Hollywood actor, a political commentator and a wellness guru? You make a YouTube channel.

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Russell Brand accused of rape, sexual assaults and abuseExposing Russell BrandRussell Brand And The Conspiracy GriftRussell Brand on revolutionCelebrity Capital in the Political Field: Russell Brand’s migration from stand-up comedy to Newsnight“Arthur” lawsuit against BrandBBC says it received five complaints about presenterWoman says s...


Russell Brand Part 1
03/17/2026

Tracing the left-to-right political trajectory of the unfunniest man in British comedy.

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Russell Brand accused of rape, sexual assaults and abuseExposing Russell BrandRussell Brand And The Conspiracy GriftRussell Brand on revolutionCelebrity Capital in the Political Field: Russell Brand’s migration from stand-up comedy to Newsnight“Arthur” lawsuit against BrandBBC says it received five complaints about presenterWoman says star exposed himself to her Russell Brand, SeriouslyHow the U.S. is sabo...


The Diet Crimes of Metabolife
02/12/2026

The rags-to-riches tale of how an illegal methamphetamine manufacturer became a legal methamphetamine manufacturer.

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How the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act of 1994 Weakened the FDAMad About MetabolifeStimulant Propels Diet EmpireThe dangers of the herb ephedra - Harvard Health An Historical Review of Steps and Missteps in the Discovery of Anti-Obesity Drugs Weight Loss the Herbal Way: No All-Natural Silver BulletOver-the-Counter-Strategy - The Washington Post Anxious Pill-Maker Puts ABC...


Raw Milk
11/13/2025

Once widely banned, raw milk consumption is on the rise and states are repealing their bans. No one’s happier about that than the far right. How did we get here?

NOTE: In the retelling of Pasteur’s early pasteurization, Aubrey misspoke! The culprit wasn’t lactic yeast, it was lactic acid bacteria. Sorry for the slip up!

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Milk!: A 10,000 Year Food FracasU.S. Consumer surveyThe Effect...


The Food Babe
09/25/2025

One blogger bravely pushes back against Starbucks, Subway and basic scientific facts.


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Taking On the Food Industry, One Blog Post at a TimeHow the ‘Food Babe’ Went From Obama Ally to Trump CrusaderActivist or Capitalist? How the 'Food Babe' Makes MoneyLatest Food Scare: What Is The 'Yoga Mat' Chemical - And Why Is It In Your Food? Almost 500 Foods Contain The 'Yoga Mat' Compound. Shoul...


Seed Oils
08/26/2025

Why are you, as a man, afraid of sunflowers.

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The O6-O3 ratio: A critical appraisalSeed Oils: Are They Actually Toxic?No need to avoid healthy omega-6 fatsOmega-6 Fatty Acids and Risk for Cardiovascular DiseaseDo Seed Oils Make You Sick?Seed oils: Are they healthy or harmful?ToxGuide: HexaneDietary linoleic acid intake and blood inflammatory markersEffect of dietary alpha-linolenic acid on blood inflammatory markersChanges in consumption of omega-3...


Herbalife
07/10/2025

We’re talking about our first diet MLM and IT’S A REAL DOOZY!

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Herbalife: Weighty Profits and Government Probes Herbalife Exec's Death Prompts Bizarre FalloutAutopsy on Herbalife founder finds death caused by accidental overdose The Uncertain Start of a Remarkable LifeNobel Prize Winner Didn't Disclose Herbalife Contract Latinos crucial to Herbalife's financial healthLatino Group Demands Herbalife ProbeThe Big Short War The Siege of HerbalifeAfter Big Bet, Hedge Fu...


Ultra-Processed Foods
06/03/2025

Everyone agrees that processed foods are bad for you. When it comes to defining what they actually are, however, there is considerably less agreement. 

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Nutrition and health. The issue is not food, nor nutrients, so much as processingUltra-Processed Foods: Definitions and Policy IssuesExamining the Nova Food Classification System and the Healthfulness of Ultra-Processed FoodsA new classification of foods based on the extent and p...


BONUS: MAHA's First 90 Days
05/01/2025

From our Patreon feed, we're catching up with RFK Jr. and his cadre of "Make America Healthy Again" influencers.

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The Bulletproof Diet
03/26/2025

Meet the tech bro on a noble quest to double his lifespan, improve his productivity and irritate his waitress.  

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Mycotoxins Myth: The Truth About Mold in Coffee Guidance for Industry: Action Levels for Poisonous or Deleterious Substances in Human Food and Animal Feed  You, Only BetterFTC letter to Dave AspreyAlternative medicine fans see RFK Jr. as a hero. The field’s skeptics worry. The Bulletproof Diet is everything wrong...


Blue Zones
01/30/2025

The places where humans live the longest are explained by traditional lifestyles, widespread incest or systematic fraud, there is no fourth option.

Thanks to Catherine MacDonald for helping us research and fact-check this episode!

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The global pattern of centenarians highlights deep problems in demographyLate-life mortality is underestimated because of data errorsSupercentenarian and remarkable age records exhibit patterns indicative of clerical errors and pension fraudDo People in ‘Bl...


BONUS: What's New With RFK Jr.?
12/20/2024

Because we live in hell, here is last month's bonus episode about RFK Jr.'s presidential campaign with a new intro about what he could do at HHS.

See you next year! 

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Richard Simmons Isn't Missing
11/21/2024

The internet gets weird investigating the "disappearance" of America's gay best friend.

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Richard Simmons ShowRichard Simmons, the Original Queer EyeThe Grand Duke of Diet and the Clown Prince of Fitness The Sultan of Svelte The Deregulation Of Commercial TelevisionSimmons Says Slapping Mesa Man Was Meant as Playful Richard Simmons’ Life Was a ‘Never-Ending Work in Progress’  Richard Simm...


Growing Up Richard Simmons
10/25/2024

Before building his fitness empire, America’s most bedazzled fitness guru was a guy named Milton from New Orleans. 

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Still Hungry...After All These Years by Richard Simmons "Hair-Do" Anatomy Asylum CommercialRichard Simmons: New Orleans's hometown heroA Speedy History of America’s Addiction to Amphetamine 

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The Myers-Briggs Personality Test
09/12/2024

How a mother, a daughter and a crackpot Swiss psychologist gave us the world's most popular Buzzfeed quiz.

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The Personality Brokers by Merve EmreMyers Briggs Type PreferencesWhat Personality Tests Really DeliverThe $2 Billion Question of Who You Are at Work Cautionary Comments Regarding the MBTIThe Barnum Effect in Personality AssessmentThe Mysterious Popularity Of The Meaningless Myers-BriggsWhy the Myers-Briggs personality test is totally meaningless Can you truly know yo...


BONUS: Breaking Down The Latest Anti-Trans Victory Lap
07/01/2024

We went a little easy on the Cass Report in our last main feed episode, so we're back to [Mortal Kombat voice] FINISH HIM!!!

This was supposed to be a Patreon bonus episode but we'd rather you support the lovely trans people who helped us with the research and fact-checking of this episode!

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Parker Molloy: https://www.readtpa.com/
Katelyn Burns: https://www.patreon.com/katelynburns
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Erin Reed: https://www.erininthemorning.com/

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"Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria" Part 2: Panic! At The Endocrinologist.
06/18/2024

Thanks to Jules Gill-Peterson (jgillpeterson.com) and Julia Serano (patreon.com/juliaserano) for help researching this episode and Evan Urquhart, Parker Molloy and Katelyn Burns for fact-checking!

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Origins of "Social Contagion" and "Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria"The "Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria" Controversy at AACAP's Annual MeetingMethodological Critique Of The Cass ReviewMethodological Critique of Littman (2018) Parent reports of adolescents and young adults perceived to show signs of a...


"Rapid-Onset Gender Dysphoria" Part 1: The Cooties Theory of Transgender Identity
05/09/2024

Thanks to Jules Gill-Peterson (jgillpeterson.com) and Julia Serano (patreon.com/juliaserano) for help researching this episode and Evan Urquhart and Parker Molloy for fact-checking!

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Origins of "Social Contagion" and "Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria"What does the scholarly research say about the effect of gender transition on transgender well-being?Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming CareFresh trans myths of 2017: “rapid onset gender dy...


Jamie Oliver
04/04/2024

In the 2000s, Jamie Oliver made a big splash with his work reforming kids’ meals in the UK and US. Was his work wicked slammin’, or just proper rustic?

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BBC Profile - Jamie OliverJamie Oliver Puts America's Diet on a DietAll The Times Jamie Oliver Made Everyone AngryUnpacking School Lunch: Understanding the Hidden Politics of School FoodA brief history of school meals in the UKTurkey Twizzlers: A Complete Hist...


COVID Conspiracies
03/07/2024

What was missing from America's pandemic response? According to the internet, a sunshine vitamin, a malaria treatment and a whole lot of horse paste.

Thanks to Health Nerd (Substack) for helping us fact-check this episode! And thanks to Abby Mahler (Twitter,  Tiktok) for help with the research on hydroxychloroquine!

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How Musk Sold MAGA on HCQ Prominent Anti-Vaxxer’s Snake Oil Store Has a Propaganda OutletNine COVID-19 Myth...


Ozempic
10/10/2023

Ozempic is being hailed as “the end of the Obesity Epidemic.” This week, Mike and Aubrey dig through the sensational claims. But will they make it past the caveats?

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How a Canadian scientist and a venomous lizard helped pave the way for Ozempic The Discovery and Development of Liraglutide and Semaglutide Ozempic and Wegovy maker courts prominent Black leaders to get Medicare's favor Insurers clamping down on doctors who prescribe Ozempic for weight lossOzempic prescriptions can be easy to get online. Its popularity for weight loss is hurting those who need it most    Glucagon-li...


"Soy Boys"
09/12/2023

How a plant-based pejorative went from an alt-right burn to a core concern of mainstream Republicans.

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Joe Explains the Term "Soy Boy" to Donnell RawlingsAlex Jones Gay Bomb RantSoyboys and Sensitivity: Mocking Meat Avoidance from Punch to TwitterHow the alt-right uses milk to promote white supremacyMen's Health 2009 pieceNeither soy nor isoflavone intake affects male reproductive hormonesA Brief History of Conservatives Using Tofu-Eating as an InsultThe Soy Conspiracy Alex J...


RFK Jr. and The Mainstreaming Of The Anti-Vaxx Movement
08/01/2023

Join us for a 75 minute answer to a 5 word question: Is there mercury in vaccines?

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Paul Offit’s “Autism's False Prophets”Peter Hotez’s “The Deadly Rise of Anti-Science”Seth Mnookin’s “The Panic Virus”Jonathan M. Berman’s “Anti-vaxxers: How to Challenge a Misinformed Movement” Steve Silberman’s “Neurotribes”Transcript of the Simpsonwood meetingA Kennedy’s Crusade Against Covid Vaccines Anguishes Family and FriendsImmunizations and Autism: A Review of the LiteratureCDC Studi...


RFK Jr. and The Rise of the Anti-Vaxx Movement
07/18/2023

A political candidate has some questions and we have some extremely obvious answers.

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Eric Garcia’s “We’re Not Broken”Mike and Sarah’s episode on autism and the anti-vaxx movementSeth Mnookin’s “The Panic Virus”Jonathan M. Berman’s “Anti-vaxxers: How to Challenge a Misinformed Movement” Brian Deer’s “The Doctor Who Fooled the World”Paul Offit’s “Autism's False Prophets”Steve Silberman’s “Neurotribes”Peter Hotez’s “The Deadly Rise of Anti-Science”Behind T...


Pilates
07/04/2023

Somehow an episode about an old-timey fitness influencer ended up being one of our most wholesome ever. We're as surprised as you are.

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Pilates and the “powerhouse"Sick Architecture - Ibiayi Briggs - Body Culture and Contrology World War One: Internment centre 'will unlock' family talesThe Acrobatic Immigrant Who Invented Pilates in a Prisoner of War CampThe exercise phenomenon born in a prisoner-of-war campHistory of PilatesAn Introduction to Cli...


Brittany Dawn
06/20/2023

How a fitness influencer went from small-time scammer to one of the Internet’s leading villains.

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THIS IS DISTURBINGgoodbye for now
 How Dallas-area influencer Brittany Dawn found herself at the mercy of social media's double-edged swordConversations with the Inspiring Brittany DawnInfluencer Asks Customers to Sign NDA Before RefundBrittany Dawn's archived apology videoInfluencer Called 'Scammer' for Not Providing Coaching‘You can’t cancel me’: embattled TikTok star reinvents herself as...


BONUS: The Conservative Diet Books of Yore
06/06/2023

We're taking a much-needed break this week so to tide you over here is one of our bonus episodes!

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Oprah v. Beef Part 2: Apocalypse Cow
05/23/2023

The closing argument of our two-part Oprahsode starts in a Texas courtroom, wanders through some British slaughterhouses and ends with an emu. 

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"How the Cows Turned Mad" by Maxime Schwartz“Deadly Feasts” by Richard Rhodes "Mad Cow USA"UK Parliamentary inquiryHow The West Was Won OverTexas Cattle Feeders v. Oprah Winfrey: The First Major Test of the “Veggie Libel Law”Having a Cow: Reactions To "Veggie Libel" Laws and the Op...


Oprah v. Beef Part 1: The Rise of "Veggie Libel"
05/09/2023

On April 16, 1996, Oprah Winfrey did a show about mad cow disease. Six weeks later, a couple of Texas cattlemen had a cow (sorry).

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Original LawsuitAppealHow Oprah Got Sued for Dissing a BurgerTwo Degrees of Speech Protection Texas Cattle Feeders v. Oprah Winfrey: The First Major Test of the “Veggie Libel Law”Having a Cow: Reactions To "Veggie Libel" Laws and the Oprah TrialsHoward Lyman talkThe Unconstitutionality Of Iowa's Propo...


The 10,000 Steps Myth
04/25/2023

This week we're digging into the weird  history of an omnipresent fitness goal. Episode comes free with a happy meal.

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10,000 Steps: A Brief HistoryDo We Really Need to Take 10,000 Steps a Day for Our Health?A Japanese first-mover in the fitness wearables raceCounting Every Step You TakeWhen does wearing a fitness tracker do more harm than good?McDonald's Enlists Trainer To Help Sell Its New MealGet happy with M...


The Trouble with Sugar
04/11/2023

This week we're tackling three big ideas about sugar: It causes hyperactivity in kids, it's as addictive as cocaine and it raises blood sugar in universal, predictably spiky ways. 

Thanks to David Johnston for helping us with sources for this week’s episode!

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Fat Talk: Parenting in the Age of Diet Culture by Virginia Sole SmithSugar Rush: Science, Politics and the Demonisation of Fatness by Kar...


"Forks Over Knives": Is a Vegetarian Diet Better For You?
03/28/2023

A viral documentary says a "whole foods plant-based diet" will prevent heart disease and cure cancer. But once we look into the MEAT of the matter will we find factual CREAM of the crop or will we  cry FOWL? (we're so sorry)

Thanks to Katherine Flegal for helping Mike with this episode!

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Health effects associated with consumption of unprocessed red meat: a Burden of Proof studyUnprocessed Red Meat a...


The Instagram Fiber Feud
03/14/2023

Aubrey tells Mike about the diet that took over New York City (and its bathrooms).

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F-Factor drama timelineWhat Is the F-Factor Diet, and Is it Safe?Tanya Zuckerbrot Sets a Weight-Loss ExampleWhat Is the F-Factor Diet? Here’s What You Need to KnowF-Factor Under Fire After TONS Of Women Come ForwardTanya Zuckerbrot and an Instagram Crusade Against the F-Factor DietDietary fiber and health outcomes: an umbrella reviewClosing America’s Fi...


Doctors Have a New Plan for Fat Kids
02/28/2023

Last month the American Academy of Pediatrics released a new set of guidelines for "childhood obesity." We have some comments.

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The 2023 American Academy of Pediatrics Guidelines The 2007 guidelines Pros and cons of bariatric surgery in adolescents Serious Issues With the American Academy of Pediatrics Guidelines For Higher-Weight Children and Adolescents Semaglutide treatment for obesity in teenagers: a plain language summary of the STEP TEENS research study Patients’ views of long-te...


Elizabeth Taylor's "Elizabeth Takes Off"
02/14/2023

History should make you feel weird and so, apparently, should diet books.

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Elizabeth Takes OffElizabeth: The Life of Elizabeth TaylorElizabeth Taylor: Diet Tips on How to Become a Size 6Just Look at Her NowElizabeth Taylor: Born to the PurpleElizabeth Taylor: The Lost Interview Elizabeth Taylor’s Glorious ExcessElizabeth Taylor’s Astonishing Health HistoryElizabeth Taylor’s Cook Not To Blame





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