It Just Makes Sense
Welcome to “It Just Makes Sense!” the podcast by two easily distracted higher educated former lovers that explores all of the unpopular opinions, conspiracy theories and cult leaders that make you want to scream “THAT JUST MAKES SENSE!”
Chit Chat 223 I'd like to Lodge a FORMAL Complaint!
Free concert tickets, forced workplace fun, and a very firm bedtime.
This week on It Just Makes Sense, Jeff hits the Jonas Brothers concert for the suite life and wonders why it can’t end earlier. Meanwhile, Sam survives flight delays, a packed Chicago work summit, and a corporate dance floor she describes as a “hostile quinceañera.” Add in snack-service expectations, family holiday boundaries, TikTok influencer ambitions, and a very opinionated Housewives catch-up, and nobody’s leaving without a complaint.
Episode 194 The Murder of Mindy Kassotis
A medical emergency. A supposedly dead husband. A third wife who didn’t know his real identity.
This week on It Just Makes Sense, Sam and Jeff unpack the murder of Mindi Kassotis, whose loved ones were told she had died following a medical emergency before investigators identified her remains in the Georgia woods. From mounting debts to a mysterious “FBI agent,” they follow the stories, evidence, and unanswered questions that led to her husband Nick’s conviction. And yes, they have thoughts.
Content warning: Discussion of murder and dismemberment.
Chit Chat 222 Brunch Before Noon? Homophobic.
Halloween parties, wedding merch, and a $35 Taco Bell order. Just another week on It Just Makes Sense, Chit Chat. Sam and Jeff recap their latest adventures, from a party game that tests Jeff’s loyalty to Josh Allen to a first-time dab experience that takes a turn. They debate when brunch actually starts, vent about diet culture and rising prices, and compare notes on a wedding with its own merch stand. Plus, strong opinions on Love Is Blind, a divided reaction to The Substance, and a roundup of thrillers and TV shows keeping them entertained. Come for th...
Episode 193: The Murder of Colleen Slemmer
Jealousy, obsession, and a friendship turned deadly. This week on It Just Makes Sense, Sam and Jeff explore the 1995 murder of Colleen Slemmer, a young Job Corps student in Knoxville, Tennessee, whose classmate Christa Pike became convinced she was trying to steal her boyfriend. They trace the escalating bullying, the brutal attack, and the chilling confession that followed then discuss Pike’s life behind bars and the difficult questions surrounding capital punishment. With candid reactions and some strong opinions, the conversation asks: Where do accountability, justice, and cruelty collide?
Chit Chat 221 Drag Shows, Algorithms, and a Facebook Firestorm
A Facebook firestorm, a social media breakup, and strong opinions about what’s worth watching just another week on Chit Chat with Sam and Jeff. Sam explains why The Social Reckoning inspired her to deactivate Facebook, kicking off an unfiltered conversation about online outrage, misinformation, and political hypocrisy. Then we’re catching up on Buffalo fall markets, mansion tours, Weight Watchers wins, and Jeff’s workplace team-building day that could’ve used better food and fewer presentations. Plus, we trade movie and TV reviews, debate whether Real Housewives is getting too mean to enjoy, and discuss Sam’s latest questions...
Episode 192 Mommy's Little Sex Dungeon
What looked like a random carjacking unraveled into a chilling family betrayal. This week on It Just Makes Sense, Sam and Jeff recap “Mommy’s Little Sex Dungeon” from Mother, May I Murder?, exploring the murder of Ron Whitehead and the investigation that led detectives into his own home. A missing handgun, suspicious text messages, and a palm print expose a plot involving his wife, Velma, her teenage son, and his friend. Along the way, we unpack life insurance money, a shocking double life, and a mother’s manipulation with plenty of disbelief and our signature unfiltered commentary. Betrayal...
Chit Chat 220 Crime, Housewives & Snack-Fueled Chaos
This week, the girls are CHATTY and absolutely nothing is off-limits. We dive into the latest Gypsy Rose Blanchard drama, debate a shocking, botched execution in Tennessee, and get into a heated discussion about just how much research a podcast host should actually be doing. (Spoiler: apparently, not enough.)
Then it's time for the personal chaos: Ozempic woes, weight fluctuations, questionable shortcuts, and a nostalgic trip back to The Swan. We dish about The Real Housewives Ultimate Girls Trip, recap a snack-filled THC hangout that involved an alarming amount of popcorn and ice cream, and debate everything...
Episode 191 Six Wives, Four Deaths: The Widower and the Thomas Randolph Case
Six wives. Four deaths. One story that just keeps getting stranger. This week on It Just Makes Sense, Sam and Jeff unpack the Thomas Randolph case featured in The Widower: Till Death Do Us Part. From a supposed home invasion to life insurance payouts, murder-for-hire allegations, and courtroom twists, we follow the red flagsand the detective who refused to let them go. Expect plenty of disbelief, unfiltered commentary, and a case that takes “till death do us part” to a whole new level.
Episode 190 The Disappearance of Max Devries
In 2004, 14-year-old Max de Vries vanished during a family trip to Aruba after going jet skiing with a man his family had met at their resort.
The man returned. Max didn’t.
From fresh scratches and shifting explanations to later allegations, troubling witness accounts, and a case that authorities initially ruled an accident, this story raises far more questions than it answers. More than 20 years later, Max’s disappearance remains unsolved and his mother is still seeking justice.
We also discuss recent true-crime news and the systems that too often fail survivors and fami...
Chit Chat 219 Corporate Fraud Alert (It Was Just Blizzards)
Sam worked all weekend staring at spreadsheets, integrations, and corporate nonsense while trying to preserve a single ounce of sanity. Sam said, “That’s cute,” then went to a bungee-cord workout class where she was allegedly twerking, flying, and giving senior-citizen aerial aerobics to Tina Turner. No notes. Ten out of ten. Olympic behavior.
Meanwhile, there was golf. There was a Bills win. There was a weed delivery. There were DoorDashed Blizzards. And there were so many DoorDash charges that corporate security said, “Girl, are you being scammed?” No, babe. Just emotionally vulnerable with access to an app.
Chit Chat 218 Fire Hoses, Four Lokos & One Republic
This week with Sam and Jeff, a lunch at Pita Gourmet becomes a full-blown five-alarm emergency, Sam and Jeff recap an unforgettable Bills game complete with free drinks, beer sabres, mysterious season-ticket-holder encounters, and a halftime act that was not One Direction. They also get into fall golf, a two-day tournament, a dishwasher delivery, Dad’s 70th birthday, Dog Days in Kenmore, questionable movie choices, true-crime content, and the ongoing search for a restaurant Jeff can safely enjoy. Expect chaotic stories, Buffalo adventures, honest pop-culture takes, and plenty of laughs.
Episode 189 Murder or Freak Accident? The Mysterious Death of Barbara Kendhammer on Country Road
A pipe crashes through a windshield, leaving Barbara Kendhammer fatally injured and her husband, Todd, accused of staging the scene. With conflicting stories, disputed forensic evidence, no clear motive, and new expert testimony, this 48 Hours case raises one unsettling question: was it murder, or a tragic accident? Listen in, then tell us what you think.
Chit Chat 217: No True Crime, Just Tomahawks, Tailgates & Terrible Decisions
No true crime this week, please direct all complaints to someone who cares. Sam and Jeff are serving up birthday dinners, sponge-candy cheesecake, Bills-induced heart palpitations, a leaky ceiling, reality-TV chaos, questionable gut-health choices, and a job applicant who talked herself straight into the trash. It’s messy, mouthy, and exactly the kind of chit chat you came for. 🎙️✨
Chit Chat 216: Therapy, Testicles & Thirty-Five Dumplings
Sam and Jeff unpack the humbling chaos of starting a new job, returning to therapy, and redefining a sobriety journey without erasing years of growth. Then it’s pure weekend mayhem: solo Kacey Musgraves, rhinestone theatrics, flooded Buffalo streets, Toronto adventures, thirty-five dumplings, a CN Tower showdown, dog-sitting dreams, and wildly different approaches to quality time. They close with book, movie, true-crime, and reality TV takes plus the gloriously specific reason their next companion trip is headed to Oklahoma.
Episode 188: Hide, Seek, and the Suitcase: The Murder of Jorge Torres
Sam and Jeff examine the death of Jorge Torres Jr. and the case against Sarah Boone, whose claim that a game of hide-and-seek ended in a tragic accident unraveled after investigators found disturbing videos on her phone. The episode follows Boone’s shifting account, the couple’s documented history of domestic violence, the evidence presented at trial, years of legal delays and attorney changes, and the self-defense argument raised by the defense. The hosts discuss the difficult questions surrounding abuse, accountability, intent, and whether Boone’s life sentence fits the crime.
Chit Chit 215: Real Housewives, Real Opinions, Real Messy
This week on Chit Chit, Sam and Jeff spiral deliciously through Real Housewives rumors, drag show memories, Buffalo stadium hot takes, taco festival chaos, early-2000s boy band nostalgia, streaming recommendations, celebrity losses, and the Lindsay Clancy trial. It’s gossipy, unfiltered, a little unhinged, and very much giving “two friends with microphones and zero filter.” Tune in for the Bravo takes, the Buffalo complaints, and the kind of side conversations that somehow become the whole episode.
Episode 187 The Murder of Alex Rodda: Social Media, Grooming, and Justice
A 15-year-old boy, Alex Rodda, was found murdered after meeting 18-year-old Matt Mason, a man he had been secretly communicating with online. This episode explores the role of social media, grooming, hidden relationships, a frantic search by Alex’s loved ones, and the evidence that led to Mason’s conviction. It also raises difficult questions about police response, online cruelty, sentencing young offenders, and what justice should look like in cases involving teenagers.
Chit Chat 214: Congratulations on Being Gay
This week on Chit Chat, we’re serving up trial updates, chaotic nights out, questionable dinner plans, steakhouse drama, tiny plates, truffle fry betrayal, and one very iconic dessert message: “Congratulations on Being Gay.” From rallying the troops after Nettie’s job exit to house-cleaning meltdowns, farmer’s market walks, true crime binges, disturbing books, and Anthony Bourdain movie reviews This episode is loud, loose, and absolutely not cleansing its palate.
Episode 186: The Nolan Wells Case
In episode 186 of It Just Makes Sense, Sam and Jeff dive into the heartbreaking and deeply unsettling case of Nolan Wells, an 18-year-old Mississippi college student whose Fourth of July trip to Horn Island ended in tragedy. With a sinking boat, conflicting stories, a mysterious six-hour gap, a phone that raises more questions than answers, and a community demanding transparency, this case is giving “someone knows something” energy — and we need the truth to surface.
Listen now as we unpack the timeline, the theories, the racial tensions surrounding the investigation, and the details that simply do not add up
Chit Chat 213: Millennials, Trash Pandas & Other Crimes Against Taste
This week, we’re serving chaotic bestie energy with a side of expired millennial dignity. From bland taco bars and office tea that should’ve stayed in the vault, to backyard weddings, ass-sweat bathroom trauma, medical gaslighting, overpriced mani-pedis, and the horrifying realization that kids today will never know true beer pong filth. We cover it all. Plus: bad movies, Bravo detours, golf glory, and why we are absolutely built different. Tune in for gossip, judgment, and several sharp left turns.
Episode 185: The Lindsay Clancy Case: Trial, Timeline, and Unanswered Questions
Nancy Grace is back in the biz, WHY NOT US?! So we’re back, and this episode dives into the ongoing Lindsay Clancy trial. A devastating case involving postpartum mental health, three children’s deaths, and a courtroom battle over legal responsibility. We walk through the timeline, the prosecution’s theory, the defense’s argument around postpartum psychosis, and the online speculation surrounding Patrick Clancy. From the 911 call to the body temperature questions, medical treatment gaps, and what the jury must decide, we unpack what is known, what remains unclear, and why this case is so difficult to process.
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Chit Chat 211: Ferry Tales, Fairway Fails & Gay Little Chaos
This week, the girls are serving unfiltered chaos with a side of Vermont charm: golf tournament glory-ish, a surprise ferry ride across Lake Champlain, Camp Sam activities gone feral, Burlington food adventures, reality TV obsessions, and the ultimate afterlife debate. Would you read the book of everything anyone ever said about you? Buckle up for flooding drama, farmer’s market judgment, Spicy Pickle cravings, and enough sass to qualify as a public service.
Chit Chat 210 Scrapbooks, Karens & Calamari: A Gay’s Guide to Surviving the Week
This episode is basically what happens when two gays sit down and unpack a week that should’ve come with a warning label. We start with a scrapbook situation that crosses the line from “cute” to “call the authorities,” then jump into the Delaware patio fiasco. Where a literal beam fell, a Karen rose, and the staff got dragged harder than a queen in a lip sync.
We talk dive‑bar chicken fingers (RIP KO), charcuterie boards the size of a small nation, menthol ice nicotine pouches that taste like cigarette water (yes, really), and the ongoing saga of tryi...
Chit Chat 209 20,000 steps a day and still fat
Jeff returns from his grand European adventure with Copenhagen hot dogs, Amsterdam drag dinners, and a British Open sunburn… but baby, the real turbulence was Miles calling him fat the minute they got home. From canal cruises with Siberians to zoo kangaroos you could practically pet, Jeff spills every chaotic detail — including missed flights, Christian‑praise‑music Ubers, and a hotel clerk who refused to open the door (Jeff handled it… loudly).
Meanwhile, Sam recaps weddings, burger festivals, Martin Short documentaries, and her husband eating like a competitive food‑athlete in training. Together they dive into movies, books, trave...
Chit Chat 208 Medically Fragile Dog, Emotionally Fragile Owner
This episode is basically a leadership seminar, a workplace comedy, and a suburban fever dream all rolled into one. Jeff and Sam kick things off with their signature greeting — “Good morning, good evening, good afternoon.” — before spiraling into a full TED Talk on time zones, student life, supervising adults who act like toddlers, and why admitting your mistakes is the ultimate flex.
Chit Chat 207 Schnitzel Happens: A Barefoot Prayer & A Boat Full of Lies
This week’s episode is a full‑body journey: resurrected dogs, schnitzel scandals, hotel insomnia, THC‑induced game-night paralysis, NHL drafts featuring confused celebrities, barefoot golf, rich‑people pools, lying toddlers, drunken Taco Bell revelations, and a boat that may or may not have been on fire.
If you need chaos, comedy, and questionable decision-making, we’ve got you covered.
Chit Chat 206: DILFs, Diapers & Data Centers
This week on Chit Chat, Jeff and Sam return after a whopping 72 hours apart to unpack a weekend filled with bad TV, worse movies, chaotic brunch energy, and enough egg‑roll confusion to qualify as a psychological thriller.
Sam kicks things off by dragging Apple TV’s latest “masterpiece” (Windows Bay? Widows Pay? Who cares?) before spiraling into a full academic critique of For the Love of DILFs, where Stormy Daniels conducts reality‑TV chaos in a towel the size of a washcloth. Meanwhile, Jeff recounts his Juneteenth holiday, complete with golf, fish fry politics, and a BOGO...
Chit Chat 205: Abe is RISEN!
Chit Chat 204: Lesbian Palooza, Edible Delusions & Summer House Delirium
Two weeks off and somehow we lived nine lives. Sam kicks things off with her annual pilgrimage to Lesbian Palooza, where it rained nonstop, the cabin had the insulation of a cardboard box, and she nearly froze to death but taking tequila shots at 9 AM helped. An edible later sent her into a silent spiritual journey while the lesbians assumed she was dying. (She was not. She was vibing.)
The she shuffled off to chorus recitals featuring Eye of the Tiger AND unexpected African tribal numbers, dance marathons that lasted longer than the Olympics, and...
Chit Chat 203: Heat Waves, Hot Takes & Home Improvement Hell
Buffalo is melting, Sam is feral about central air, and Cameron is one thermostat decision away from being served papers. Jeff shows up for emotional support, Dairy Queen, and eventually $60 worth of Taco Bell because self‑control is for people without DoorDash.
Sam spends the weekend walking approximately 4000 miles around Delaware Park (by choice??), wins half a butcher shop at a meat raffle, and then nearly dies recaulking her bathtub after the caulk slapped her in the face like it had a personal vendetta.
Meanwhile, Jeff is out here fighting hockey fans, rescuing entire stadium se...
Chit Chat 202 Bloody Marys, Bad Customers & Robot Murder
Get in, we’re oversharing. This week on Chit Chat, we’re serving up everything from chaotic restaurant horror stories (yes, the “we close at 9 but we’ll just stay until 10:30” crowd 🙄) to wholesome but slightly unhinged grandma nostalgia featuring gum stashes, baked goods, and existential questions about whether TikTok ruined our ability to be productive. Oh, and don’t worry we also spiral (casually) into workplace gossip, weekend drama, and the eternal struggle of pretending to care about sports.
But wait, it gets smarter… kind of. Sam goes to D.C. and ends up in a mock trial about...
Chit Chat 201: Devil Wears Prada 2… and We Wear Patience
This week’s episode is a full buffet of chaos, delusion, and questionable taste. Jeff and Sam kick things off by absolutely not agreeing on Devil Wears Prada 2, Sam fell asleep mid‑plot, Jeff is ready to nominate Meryl for sainthood, and both of them are convinced the other has the cinematic taste of a damp sock. From there, Jeff recounts his luxury‑priced mocktail, a steak that needed 24 hours to develop a personality, and a Leslie Odom Jr. concert so hot it nearly turned him into a Victorian fainting maiden.
Jeff, meanwhile, is out here defend...
Chit Chat 200 Tarot Cards, Gala Chaos & Grocery Store Drama
Episode 200 is here, and Jeff and Sam show up like two people who absolutely should not have a platform… yet somehow do.
Jeff kicks things off by surviving another week of bartending, knee pain, and the existential crisis that comes from being scheduled for a double at his fun part‑time job. A surprise rainstorm frees him from manual labor and launches him straight into a six‑person “party” (read: wine‑drunk hangout) where a psychic medium proceeds to drag everyone’s souls across the carpet. Jeff’s reading? Shockingly accurate, mildly unhinged, and apparently sponsored by his dead relativ...
Chit Chat 199: Messy Margaret Stole My Soul
This week’s episode is pure chaos in the best way: Toronto concerts, creepy drag queens, queer emo night, $27 Five Guys meals, and a funeral‑party bar rush all collide before we even get to the new‑job meltdown. Jeff battles chatty coworkers, Outlook disasters, and a hockey‑obsessed stranger, while Sam survives a disastrous date night, a 3 AM airport run, and the worst musical she’s ever seen. Add in Finger Lakes drama‑free bliss, book rants, Bravo betrayals, and Real Housewives of Rhode Island insanity, and you’ve got a full‑throttle catch‑up you won’t want to miss.
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Chit Chat 198: The Miles Mix‑Up & Other Mental Spirals
Sam and Jeff are back with a week full of unhinged chaos. Sam realizes she’s been texting the wrong “Miles” for two months, Jeff has a full‑body bad high at movie night, and both spiral into “do we have dementia?” territory.
We’ve got golf disasters, meat raffle victories, Dateline heartbreak, a surprise home‑cooked dinner after a massive text misunderstanding, and a bachelor‑party koozie featuring “Samantha Roxy” found next to the bed (“VIP adult entertainer… call me when you need a good time” ). It’s messy, it’s relatable, it’s Chit Chat.
Chit Chat 197 2000s Worship Nostalgia and Easter Reconciliation
Rarely does one episode pack in a hotel epiphany, a twerking contest, and a Summer House betrayal all in the same breath. This week's conversation covers a genuinely chaotic stretch of life, and it's hard to look away from any of it.
The episode opens with a deep dive into 2000s worship music, including a memorable discovery of "He Will Raise You Up on Eagle's Wings" during a hotel stay in Cleveland. From there, things get personal fast. Cameron keeps coming home late on Fridays without warning
This week's episode also included a trip to...
Chit Chat 196 Coffee at Home and Strip Club Athletics: A Week of Buffalo Adventures
Rarely does a single conversation cover airport runs at 3 a.m., stomach bugs, Easter Markets, and a spontaneous strip club visit, but here we are. This episode is a genuine slice of life, messy and entertaining in equal measure.
Honestly, the week described here is a lot. Sam drove Cameron to the airport before dawn, then spent hours scrubbing down the bathroom after a stomach bug. Meanwhile, Jeff was recovering from a suspicious roast beef sandwich at Wagner's in Lockport that caused some serious digestive regret. Between a hockey game with a $55 all-you-can-eat buffet, a birthday ice...
Chit Chat 195 New Headsets and New Management: Jeff's Big Career Move
After a two-week hiatus, Sam and Jeff are back with some big news that's about to shake things up. Jeff just accepted a management position in banking starting April 20th, his first time leading a team after nearly nine years with his company. (The nerves are real when it comes to those one-on-ones and performance reviews.)
Between scheduling conflicts and social exhaustion, these two have been living their best chaotic lives. From a disappointing 3 hour bingo event that only featured four actual games, to the darkly comedic musical "Kimberly Akimbo" about a teenager with a rare aging...
Chit Chat 194 Rude Movie Theaters, Hockey Games, and Bakery Mishaps
What happens when you order two half-sheet cakes without knowing their actual size? You'll end up sending guests home with massive amounts of leftovers (which is exactly what happened at this birthday celebration).
This week's conversation covers everything from questionable movie theater encounters to the most exciting 8-7 hockey game featuring multiple fights and power play goals. The Sabres' impressive turnaround under returning coach Lindy Ruff gets discussed, along with deep cleaning discoveries like smudged walls and dusty cabinet floors that somehow go unnoticed for months. There's also the bizarre turkey pot pie incident at West End...