The Multifamily Real Estate Experiment Podcast

40 Episodes

By: Hutch the Marine Investor and Dr. Heath Jones

“Multifamily Real Estate Investing for the Career Professional.” Join Shelon "Hutch The Marine Investor" Hutchinson who talks to military veterans and real estate professionals about the results of their journey and multifamily real estate experiments. Each week, Hutch discusses Multifamily Real Estate Investing for Career Professionals and military veterans to help you build wealth and financial independence. Questions about Multifamily real estate investing are systematically dissected as your host works through observations and data to answer the week's question.

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MFREE 103 Full Episode with Randy Langenderfer: What’s the Cost of Waiting for the “Perfect” Deal?

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06/14/2025

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In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment Podcast, host Shelon Hutchinson, also known as Hutch the Marine Investor, welcomes Randy Langenderfer, founder and president of Invest Ark Property.

Randy shares his extensive experience in multifamily real estate investing, with over 1200 doors and $350 million in assets under management.

They discuss Randy's journey from a CPA and Ch...

MFREE 103 Trailer # 5 with Randy Langenderfer: Is Analysis Paralysis Costing You Millions?

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06/13/2025

In this episode Randy Langenderfer and I dive into a candid conversation around fear, financial security, and the hesitation that keeps many high-earning professionals—especially veterans and analytical minds—stuck on the sidelines. From military life to first-time investments, we explore how risk aversion and analysis paralysis can stall growth.

Our guest shares how he tackled that fear through p...

MFREE 103 Trailer # 4 with Randy Langenderfer: Why Are Some Investors Exiting While Others Keep Building?

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06/12/2025

In this inspiring episode, Randy Langenderfer and I dive into the powerful idea that life is motion—and so is business. We explore how staying active, persistent, and purpose-driven fuels real estate and leadership success. Whether the market looks tough or times feel uncertain, we reminds you: the trick isn’t just speed, it’s consistency and positive impact. <...

MFREE 103 Trailer # 3 with Randy Langenderfer: Should You Specialize First and Diversify Later?

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06/11/2025

In this episode, Randy Langenderfer and I dive into the sharp mindset shift that challenges conventional financial advice: is spreading yourself thin actually making you stronger—or just keeping you from being great?

The conversation tackles the quote often echoed in investing circles—“Diversification is for rookies”—and reframes it in a powerful way. Coming from a Marine Corps backgrou...

MFREE 103 Trailer # 2 with Randy Langenderfer: Is Communication Still Your Weakest Link?

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06/10/2025

In this episode I sit down with Randy Langenderfer, a high-energy grandfather, fractional CFO, and multifamily investor who knows what it means to earn your wins.

Randy shares how a fire that took out 28 units in his very first GP deal turned into one of the biggest game changers of his career. From nearly crumbling under pressure to doubl...

MFREE 103 Trailer # 1 with Randy Langenderfer: Who Said You Had to Be Original to Be Wealthy?

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06/09/2025

In this episode, I sit down with Randy Langenderfer to talk about something that many ambitious minds overlook—you don’t have to reinvent the wheel to win.

From Andrew Carnegie’s timeless quote to a deeper dive into why modeling proven strategies is not only smart but essential, this conversation uncovers the mindset difference between struggling and scaling.

MFREE 102 Full Episode with George Salas: What’s the Real ROI of Experiential Hospitality?

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06/08/2025

In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment podcast, I, you host, Shelon Hutchinson, known as Hutch the Marine Investor, interview George Salas, the founder of Express Capital and a visionary in short-term rental capital and structuring. George shares his journey from growing up in poverty in Lima, Peru, to building a successful portfolio of experiential short-term rentals and stru...

MFREE 102 Trailer # 5 with George Salas: How to Attract Bigger Capital?

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06/06/2025

In this episode, Hutch sits down with George Salas who cracked the code on attracting heavy-hitting fund managers and capital raisers—and it’s not what you think. It’s not just about showing off your track record. It’s about creating better economics for your partners than they could get on their own. 💼📊

We’re talking share class structures, al...

MFREE 102 Trailer # 4 with George Salas: Can You Build Two Businesses That Exit Separately?

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06/05/2025

This episode is a masterclass in thinking BIGGER. Hutch and George Salas sit down to talk strategy around two massive wealth-building goals: one, creating an experiential short-term rental portfolio with strong, steady NOI—and two, building a service-based business that supports those properties and stands on its own.

The kicker? Both are being built to exit—but independently. 🎯

You’ll...

MFREE 102 Trailer # 3 with George Salas: Can You Raise Capital Without Losing Sight of Your Own Goals?

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06/04/2025

In this deep and honest episode, Hutch dives into the mindset behind dreaming big—but also dreaming smart. Inspired by a Dave Chappelle quote about powerful dreamers always winning, this convo breaks down something that rarely gets talked about: knowing when you’re walking in your own dream vs. just helping others build theirs.

Especially in capital raising and busin...

MFREE 102 Trailer # 2 with George Salas: Is Your Morning Routine Built for 2025... or 1999?

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06/03/2025

In this high-energy episode, Hutch sits down with George Salas to talk about living with intention, leading with vision, and building a business and life that actually supports your health, family, and freedom. From spontaneous asset-management weekends in short-term rentals to structuring $15M+ portfolios, George opens up about the mindset and momentum behind his success.

They dive into perso...

MFREE 102 Trailer # 1 with George Salas: Can You Turn a Broken Home Into a Powerhouse Mindset?

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06/02/2025

In this raw and inspiring episode, Hutch sits down with George Salas whose journey started in an adobe house in Lima, Peru—and who now leads with bold ambition and purpose. From losing a roof to building a real estate portfolio, this conversation digs into the mindset it takes to rise from humble beginnings and chase dreams relentlessly. It’s not just...

MFREE 101 Full Episode with Sam Morris: What’s Scarier? Making a Move or Missing the Window.

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06/01/2025

In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment podcast, I'm your host Shelon Hutchinson, also known as Hutch the Marine Investor, welcomes Sam Morris, a partner at Lone Star Capital. Sam brings over 20 years of experience in multifamily real estate, having executed more than $550 million in deals and managed over $1 billion in real estate financing. The discussion delves into Sam...

MFREE 101 Trailer # 6 with Sam Morris: What Happens When the Room Makes You Level Up?

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05/31/2025

Ever walk into a room and immediately feel like you need to level up?

In this episode, I reflect on what it’s like to be surrounded by top-tier thinkers, leaders, and investors—and how just being in that space shifts your mindset. From a small moment with Rob Beardsley (and a signature hat 👀), to the energy of walking int...

MFREE 101 Trailer # 5 with Sam Morris: Can You Actually Control Taxes and Insurance?

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05/30/2025

Taxes and insurance—the two things everyone says you can’t control in real estate. But what if that’s not totally true?

In this episode, Sam Morris and I flip the script on how smart asset management can actually influence these so-called “uncontrollables.” From understanding what insurance companies are really looking for to securing a 99-year tax abatement<...

MFREE 101 Trailer # 4 with Sam Morris: What If “I Don’t Know” Is the Smartest Answer You Can Give?

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05/29/2025

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Not every investor conversation goes as planned. And that’s okay.
In this episode, Sam Morris and I talk about the power of being honest when you don’t have all the answers—and why that can actually build more trust than pretending you do. The guest shares a story of getting stumped by a more experienced investor and how sa...

MFREE 101 Trailer # 3 with Sam Morris: What Happens When You Actually Listen to Advice?

#101

05/28/2025

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This one hits a little deeper than the usual talk about deals.
In this episode, Sam Morris and I explore how one opportunity can change everything—especially when you're young, green, and willing to listen. The guest shares how mentorship from a bank chairman (before he even knew what that meant) completely shifted the course of his career. Why? B...

MFREE 101 Trailer # 2 with Sam Morris: Are You Communicating Risk the Right Way?

#101

05/27/2025

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“If you confuse, you lose.” And that goes for both life and investing.
In this episode, Sam Morris and I get into why clarity is everything—especially when it comes to educating investors and making sound decisions. The guest shares powerful insight on what happens when people feel unsure: they back out. Not because the deal is bad, but becaus...

MFREE 101 Trailer # 1 with Sam Morris: Is Real Estate Really the Easy Part?

#101

05/26/2025

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Everyone talks about the deals, the numbers, the market. But here’s the truth—real estate isn’t the hard part. People are.
In this episode, Sam Morris and I get into what really makes or breaks your success. Residents, employees, investors... managing people is where the real work shows up.
The guest shares a simple b...

MFREE 100 Full Episode with Michael Pouliot: Is it time to rethink how long you're holding your assets?

#100

05/03/2025

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In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment podcast, host Shelon Hutchinson, also known as Hutch the Marine Investor, interviews Michael Pouliot, founder and CEO of Eon Capital Partners and Chief Investment Officer of Carbon. With over $1 billion in real estate acquisitions, Michael brings extensive institutional expertise and a passion for educating future real estate entrepreneurs. The discussion covers a wi...

MFREE 100 Trailer # 5 with Michael Pouliot: Is “I’ll Do It Tomorrow” Holding You Back?

#100

05/02/2025

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Some people wait for the “perfect” moment to get things done. This episode is about those who just get it done. No excuses. No dragging it out. Just commitment.
Michael Pouliot shares how high-performance environments shaped a mindset where almost anything—especially when it's on your desk or screen—can be finished today. It’s not about rushing... it’s about recog...

MFREE 100 Trailer # 4 with Michael Pouliot: What if your niche doesn’t exist—can you create it?

#100

05/01/2025

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This episode hits home for anyone chasing their version of success—especially in real estate. Michael Pouliot breaks down the reality that building your business (or syndication strategy) won’t be overnight, but it is possible.

You don’t need to fit into someone else’s model—you can create your own, tailor it to your strengths, and iterate along t...

MFREE 100 Trailer # 3 with Michael Pouliot: Are you learning too much and doing too little?

#100

04/30/2025

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In this episode, Michael Pouliot gets real about something a lot of investors (and dreamers) struggle with—taking action. The guest breaks it down with a simple truth: knowledge without action is useless, and goals without execution are just wishes. With all the tools and resources out there today, learning isn’t the problem anymore. The gap is doing. If you’re s...

MFREE 100 Trailer # 2 with Michael Pouliot: Are your reserves as strong as your returns?

#100

04/29/2025

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In this episode, Michael Pouliot dives into a philosophy that’s less about hype and more about durability: margin of safety. Taken from Benjamin Graham and adopted by Warren Buffet, this principle reminds us that it’s not about getting the highest return—it’s about protecting what you’ve built. From keeping reserves, to smart acquisitions, to choosing the right debt str...

MFREE 100 Trailer # 1 with Michael Pouliot: What’s the one thing passive investors keep getting wrong?

#100

04/28/2025

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In this episode, we explore how one unexpected birthday party led to a life-changing moment that ultimately shaped an entire career. Michael Pouliot shares how meeting his wife derailed his original plan to backpack and teach abroad—leading him down a path that would include JP Morgan, consulting, and ultimately, real estate success. We also dive into his daily habits, the imp...

MFREE 099 Full Episode with Lane Kawaoka: Are You Stuck on the Wrong Floor of the Wealth Elevator?

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03/22/2025

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In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment Podcast, host Shelon Hutchinson, also known as Hutch the Marine Investor, interviews Lane Kawaoka, a former civil and industrial engineer turned full-time real estate investor and founder of Wealth Elevator. Lane shares his journey from traditional financial paths to building wealth through real estate, owning over 10,000 rental units, and syndicating over $200 mill...

MFREE 099 Trailer # 5 with Lane Kawaoka: How Do the Wealthy Actually Stay Wealthy?

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03/21/2025

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Success isn’t just about making money—it’s about what you do with it once you have it. In this episode, LAen Lane Kawaoka dive into the evolution of wealth-building and how the strategy shifts over time. At the start, you focus hard and take big swings, but once you hit a certain net worth, diversification, smart allocation, and enjoying t...

MFREE 099 Trailer # 4 with Lane Kawaoka: Are You Playing the Wealth Game the Right Way?

#99

03/20/2025

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In this episode, Lane Kawaoka and I dive into a conversation about mindset, leadership, and taking control of your financial future—without blindly following the traditional path. Our guest shares how diversification, smart investing, and surrounding yourself with the right people can be a game-changer, whether you're in real estate or any other wealth-building avenue.
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MFREE 099 Trailer # 3 with Lane Kawaoka: What's The Linear Path?

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03/19/2025

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We’re all taught to follow the “safe” path—get a degree, land a good job, contribute to a 401k, buy a house, and grind it out for decades. But what if that path is actually the slow lane to financial freedom? 🤔
In this episode, Lane Kawaoka break down how one decision—renting out a home instead of just living in it...

MFREE 099 Trailer # 2 with Lane Kawaoka: How Did Living on Ramen Noodles Lead to Multifamily Success?

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03/18/2025

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Saving $50,000 to $100,000 a year sounds great—until you realize it’s not enough to build real wealth. Too many high earners stack cash but never put it to work. In this episode, Lane Kawaoka break down the shift from just saving to strategic investing, moving beyond 401(k)s with high fees and into high-growth assets like real estate syndications.
The mist...

MFREE 099 Trailer # 1 with Lane Kawaoka: Where should you spend your money?

#99

03/17/2025

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What’s the real difference between people who build wealth and those who just save money? It’s not just about earning—it’s about deploying capital wisely.
In this episode, Lane Kawaoka break down why simply saving isn’t enough, why buying assets before spending is the key to financial freedom, and how most people fall into the trap of let...

MFREE 098 Full Episode with Brett Swarts: How Can You Achieve True Passive Income and Impact?

#98

03/03/2025

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In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment podcast, host Shelon Hutchinson, also known as Hutch the Marine Investor, interviews Brett Swarts, CEO of Capital Gains Tax Solution.
Brett is a leading expert in Deferred Sales Trust (DST) and shares insights on how DST can help high net worth individuals, business owners, and real estate investors defer capit...

MFREE 098 Trailer # 5 with Brett Swarts: Are You Chasing Goals or Actually Growing?

#98

03/02/2025

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Most people set goals. But what happens when you hit them—or worse, miss them? 🤔 In this episode, Brett Swarts breaks down the difference between a growth mindset and a goal mindset—and why one leads to lasting success while the other keeps you stuck.
He shares how relentless self-improvement, resilience, and pure hunger helped him go from local broke...

MFREE 098 Trailer # 4 with Brett Swarts: What’s the Best Investment Strategy You’re Probably Ignoring?

#98

02/28/2025

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What if you could pass down your wealth without the IRS taking a huge bite? 🤔 In this episode, Brett Swarts breaks down next-level estate planning, trust strategies, and tax loopholes that high-net-worth investors use to keep their assets intact for future generations.
We get into the power of time in investing, the hidden estate tax traps that could cost mi...

MFREE 098 Trailer # 3 with Brett Swarts: What If Success Isn’t Just About You?

#98

02/27/2025

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Success isn’t just about chasing the next big deal—it’s about how you handle what you’ve already been given. In this episode, Brett Swarts and I explore a game-changing perspective: stewardship over ownership. 💡
Instead of focusing solely on external achievements—like landing the first job, closing the first deal, or hitting that next financial milestone—our guest shares wh...

MFREE 098 Trailer # 2 with Brett Swarts: What Would You Tell Your Younger Self About Success?

#98

02/26/2025

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Success isn’t just about deals and numbers—it’s about mindset, discipline, and purpose. In this episode, we sit down with Brett Swarts, an investor and leader who shares how accountability, emotional intelligence, and personal stewardship have shaped his success. 💡
From playing Jiu-Jitsu and coaching basketball to diving deep into personality types and communication skills, he breaks down the habit...

MFREE 098 Trailer # 1 with Brett Swarts: How Can You Structure Partnerships Like the Pros Do?

#98

02/24/2025

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Partnerships in real estate—and in life—aren’t just about splitting profits. They’re about balancing risk, reward, and responsibility. In this episode, we dive into the mindset behind successful deal-making, inspired by Sam Zell’s approach to structuring partnerships.
Are you giving too much, or are you holding back opportunities from those who’ve proven themselves? Sometimes, equity...

MFREE 097 Full Episode with Tim Kelly: Are You Really Setting Goals That Push You?

#97

01/31/2025

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In this episode of the Multi-Family Real Estate Experiment Podcast, host Shelon Hutchinson, also known as Hutch, the Marine Investor, sits down with retired Master Gunnery Sergeant Scott Stalker. Scott shares his leadership experience from over three decades in the Marine Corps, where he served in cyberspace intelligence and special operations. They discuss transitioning from the structured environment of the mili...

MFREE 097 Trailer # 5 with Tim Kelly: Are You Climbing the Right Ladder?

#97

01/31/2025

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Success isn’t just about moving fast—it’s about moving in the right direction. 🚀 If your ladder is leaning against the wrong wall, you’re just getting to the wrong place faster. Too many people grind endlessly without questioning if their path is actually aligned with their mission, values, and purpose.
Like a ship drifting just one degree off cour...

MFREE 097 Trailer # 4 with Tim Kelly: Is Your Work Aligned With Your True Goals?

#97

01/30/2025

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High performers don’t just work harder—they work smarter, with intention, and alignment. 🚀 Research shows that top achievers master five key pillars:
✅ Clarity – Knowing what you truly want (not just what sounds good)
✅ Energy – Mental & physical stamina to execute at a high level
✅ Courage – The ability to step up, speak out, and take action
✅ Producti...