The Multifamily Real Estate Experiment Podcast
“Multifamily Real Estate Investing for the Career Professional.” Join Shelon "Hutch The Marine Investor" Hutchinson who talks to military veterans and real estate professionals about the results of their journey and multifamily real estate experiments. Each week, Hutch discusses Multifamily Real Estate Investing for Career Professionals and military veterans to help you build wealth and financial independence. Questions about Multifamily real estate investing are systematically dissected as your host works through observations and data to answer the week's question.
MFREE MFREE 124 Trailer # 3 with Brandon Cobb: Are You Relying on a Job That Was Never Meant to Secure You?
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In this episode, we unpack a pivotal moment with Brandon Cobb that changed the direction of his life.
He shares how he finally broke into medical device sales, landed his dream role, and was performing at a high level.
Then one day, it was over.
No warning, just a conversation that forced a hard rese...
MFREE MFREE 124 Trailer # 2 with Brandon Cobb: What Does Success Actually Look Like When You Zoom Out?
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We got into a focused round with Brandon Cobb, and it opened up a bigger conversation around how we approach business and life.
From health and longevity to building trust and communication, a few key principles stood out.
One of the biggest shifts is this.
Business isn’t just about doing more good deals.
...
MFREE MFREE 124 Trailer # 1 with Brandon Cobb: Are You So Focused on Winning… That You’re Missing the Moment?
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In this episode, we sit down with Brandon Cobb and get into a conversation that hits beyond business, how we handle stress and show up in our daily lives.
Brandon shares a shift he experienced after becoming a father. For a long time, the mindset was simple, get everything done, then relax. But as life got fuller, that appr...
MFREE 123 Full Episode with Tyler Lyons: What Does Disciplined Investing Actually Look Like?
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In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment Podcast, host Hutch interviews Tyler Lyons, the Chief Investment Officer at Asym Capital. Tyler shares his extensive background in corporate finance and how it shaped his approach to real estate investing. He emphasizes the importance of practice, precision, and persistence, while discussing his journey from a CPA in corporate America to rais...
MFREE 123 Trailer # 5 with Tyler Lyons: What Should Investors Look for Beyond Returns?
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Experience shortens the learning curve. 📈🧠
In this episode, Tyler explains how talking to operators, reviewing dozens of deals, and asking better questions helps investors develop real judgment. Alignment of interest isn’t a buzzword — it’s found in the details: fees, waterfalls, profit splits, and who actually gets paid only if the deal performs.
Over time, pattern...
MFREE 123 Trailer # 4 with Tyler Lyons: How Do Small Decisions Compound Into Big Change?
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Most people are taught to wait. Tyler chose to redesign. 💡
In this clip, Tyler walks through the mindset shift that changed everything — moving from saving for a distant future to acquiring cash-flowing assets that support life now.
That shift opened the door to freedom, career flexibility, and clearer decision-making. From small residential properties to passive investing and eventu...
MFREE 123 Trailer # 3 with Tyler Lyons: What Separates Discipline From Noise in Investing?
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Good deals don’t fail first — bad execution does. 🧠📉
In this conversation, Tyler explains that real underwriting goes far beyond the numbers. You’re underwriting people, decision-making, resilience, and operational discipline. What separates institutional-grade operators isn’t whether they’re vertically integrated or use third-party management — it’s the intensity of asset management.
Systems, KPIs, and accountability are what p...
MFREE 123 Trailer # 2 with Tyler Lyons: Is Persistence More Important Than Talent?
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Quick answers. Real insight. ⚡️
In this focus round, Tyler touches on the habits and decisions that shaped his path — staying active, recognizing the power of the right opportunity, learning to communicate, and realizing early on that real estate is a team sport. He credits persistence and work ethic learned from his dad as the foundation behind every move.
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MFREE 123 Trailer # 1 with Tyler Lyons: Are You Putting in the Reps Before the Rewards?
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Everyone wants the results. Very few commit to the reps. 🔁
In this clip, Tyler shares a quote from Tony Robbins that’s shaped how he approaches leadership and investing: what you practice in private is what shows up in public. He explains how real progress comes from repetition — underwriting deal after deal, learning the fundamentals, and doing the s...
MFREE 122 Full Episode with Mike "Big Mike"Zlotnik: How Do Sophisticated Investors Think When the Old Playbook Breaks?
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In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment podcast, host Shalon 'Hutch' Hutchinson is joined by Mike Zlotnik, also known as Big Mike, to discuss insightful strategies for multifamily real estate investment. Mike shares his extensive background in technology, mathematics, and real estate fund management to provide valuable advice on macroeconomics, risk management, and investment principles. The conversation covers topi...
MFREE 122 Trailer # 5 with Mike "Big Mike"Zlotnik: Why Does Lease Duration Matter More Now?
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In this episode, Big Mike talks about why so many investors are shifting toward predictability and safety in the current market. After recent volatility, many people are prioritizing stable income and longer-duration leases over strategies that rely on perfect timing or fast recovery. 🧠
Big Mike explains that oversupply in several Sunbelt markets has made parts of multifam...
MFREE 122 Trailer # 4 with Mike "Big Mike"Zlotnik: How Do Smart Investors Adjust to Rising Operating Costs?
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In this episode, Mike “Big Mike” Zlotnik breaks down how underwriting standards have tightened and why downside protection matters more than ever in today’s market. Rather than chasing volume or forcing deals, he explains how discipline has become the real advantage. 🧠📉
Big Mike walks through the three things he focuses on when underwriting today. A positive spread b...
MFREE 122 Trailer # 3 with Mike "Big Mike"Zlotnik: How Are Rising Costs Changing Multifamily Underwriting?
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In this conversation, Mike “Big Mike” Zlotnik walks through how disciplined underwriting has changed in today’s market and why downside protection matters more than ever. Instead of chasing volume, he explains how tighter standards are forcing investors to slow down and get more selective. 🧠📉
Mike breaks down the three core things he looks for when underwriting deal...
MFREE 122 Trailer # 2 with Mike "Big Mike"Zlotnik: What Is Your Genius Zone and How Do You Find It?
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On today’s podcast, Mike talks about the moment many people eventually face: realizing that what you’re good at, what you enjoy, and what actually creates freedom don’t always line up at first. 🧠
He explains the idea of finding your “genius zone” by aligning three things, what you’re good at, what you enjoy doing, and what you...
MFREE 122 Trailer # 1 with Mike "Big Mike"Zlotnik: What Keeps Investors Confident in Uncertain Markets?
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In this conversation, Mike breaks down investing to its simplest discipline: managing risk before chasing returns. 🧠📉 Instead of getting distracted by complex structures or market noise, he shares a practical rule that keeps decisions grounded and protects downside.
At the core of his approach is the idea of buying for cash flow with intention. He explains...
MFREE 121 Full Episode with Senate Eskridge: How Can You Leverage Seasons and Synergy for Real Estate Success?
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In this episode, Senate discusses his interests outside of work, namely golfing and cigar culture. He shares transformative opportunities in his life, highlighting the impact of network marketing and personal development figures like Tony Robbins and Grant Cardone. Senate emphasizes the importance of asking intelligent questions for entrepreneurs and provides career advice focused on starting with the end goal in mind...
MFREE 121 Trailer # 5 with Senate Eskridge: How Can Embracing Seasons Relieve the Pressure of Balance?
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In this segment, Senate talks about the challenges of juggling family, business, and health. He doesn’t believe in balance—instead, he believes in focusing on seasons. 🌱
For Senate, there are times when you focus on raising your kids, and other times when you shift gears to start a business or prioritize your health. Every season has its own priorit...
MFREE 121 Trailer # 4 with Senate Eskridge: Can the Right Community Skyrocket Your Real Estate Journey?
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In this episode, Hutch talks about the power of community in achieving your real estate goals. If you're looking to close your first acquisition, your competence often drives your confidence. But here's the thing—you don’t have to go it alone. 🏡💡
Whether you’re creating your own team or joining an existing one, surrounding yourself with like-minded individuals can...
MFREE 121 Trailer # 3 with Senate Eskridge: Why Should You Start Before You Have All the Answers?
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In this episode, Senate breaks down the crucial first steps to take when looking to buy apartments. If you’re expecting mailbox money, it’s time to talk about passive investing. But if you’re ready to actively own and manage apartments, it starts with building the right team and taking action. 📈
Senate emphasizes that you don’t need to know th...
MFREE 121 Trailer # 2 with Senate Eskridge: How Can Personal Development Transform Your Life and Business?
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In this Focus round, Senate shares some personal insights.
When he's not running deals or events, Senate loves golfing and enjoying cigars. 🏌️♂️🍂 He even finds joy in his work, making it all the more rewarding.
The opportunity that changed his life? Network marketing! 🙌 It introduced him to personal development through mentors like Tony Robbins, Grant Cardone, and Ed Milet.
S...
MFREE 121 Trailer # 1 with Senate Eskridge: Why Does Helping Others First Lead to Success?
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In this episode, Senate shares powerful insights on how mindset drives success—not just in real estate, but in life! 🤔
One key takeaway? "We don’t wait to buy real estate. We buy real estate and wait." Patience and understanding market cycles are key to long-term success. But it’s more than making money—it’s about making an impact. 💥
<...MFREE 120 Full Episode with Marvin Karlow: How Do You Build Value That Actually Holds Up at the Finish Line?
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In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment Podcast, hosts dive into mergers and acquisitions with Marvin Karlow, a seasoned M&A expert with extensive experience in business ownership and exits. Marvin shares key insights on maximizing business exit value, the importance of having a leadership team, achieving efficient operations, and navigating the complexities of due diligence. The discussion also...
MFREE 120 Trailer # 5 with Marvin Karlow: Why Does Disclosure Matter More Than Perfection?
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In this section, Marvin explains that most problems in a deal can be worked through if they are disclosed early. What actually causes deals to fall apart is surprise.
When something important shows up late in diligence, it creates doubt. Even if it was not intentional, trust starts to erode. And once trust slips, buyers begin asking a dang...
MFREE 120 Trailer # 4 with Marvin Karlow: What Makes a Business Attractive to Serious Buyers?
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In this episode, Marvin explains a mindset shift many owners miss. The biggest value is created when the owner steps out of daily operations and focuses on growth.
When leadership is in place and the business runs efficiently enough, the most powerful lever left is simple. Go sell. Generate revenue. 🚀
Businesses that are prepared to scale give bu...
MFREE 120 Trailer # 3 with Marvin Karlow: Why Does the Market Decide Value Not Opinions?
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Marvin breaks it down simply. The only opinion that matters is the market’s. And the only way to learn what the market thinks is to ask it directly.
Too many owners try to sell quietly, take the first offer, or treat a business sale like a passive listing. That approach leaves value on the table.
Strong...
MFREE 120 Trailer # 2 with Marvin Karlow: What Principles Guide Leaders When the Answers Are Simple?
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In this focus round, Marvin gives quick answers that reveal a lot about how he lives and leads. From endurance sports and faith, to telling the truth and believing that building a company is possible, the theme is clear. Success is not about titles or ego.
It is about effort, integrity, and helping others get the outcome that is b...
MFREE 120 Trailer # 1 with Marvin Karlow: Why Does Consistency Outlast Motivation?
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In this episode, Marvin shares a principle that shapes how he leads, parents, and builds businesses. Talent helps, but persistence is what carries people through the hard parts.
Leadership often means doing the unglamorous work, staying committed, and taking responsibility all the way through. 🛠️
One of the strongest ideas in this episode is that success is not just...
MFREE 119 Full Episode with Cory Harelson: What If Your Rock Bottom Is the Start of a Better Life?
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In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment podcast, host Shalon Hutchinson welcomes Cory, a former structural engineer and founder of Freedom Investing Group, who transitioned into mobile home park operations. Cory shares his journey from a demanding engineering career to real estate investing, driven by his desire to spend more time with his family. Cory discusses the value-add pote...
MFREE 119 Trailer # 5 with Cory Harelson: What’s the Rookie Mistake That Can Sink Your Park Deal?
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When Cory Harelson and his team took over their first mobile home park, they didn’t do anything flashy—they simply showed up, walked the property, talked to residents, and solved small problems that had been ignored. The feedback? “You guys actually care.”
But this episode isn’t just about feel-good moments. Cory also shares one of the most common mi...
MFREE 119 Trailer # 4 with Cory Harelson: If the Demand Is There... Why Are the Lots Still Empty?
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Cory Harelson explains one of the most overlooked opportunities in mobile home park investing
It’s not that there’s no demand
It’s that filling lots takes effort, capital, and coordination — and many longtime owners just don’t bother
But that’s where the upside lives
You’re often buying based on current cash flo...
MFREE 119 Trailer # 3 with Cory Harelson: Is Your Circle Helping You Think Bigger?
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Sometimes the best move sounds crazy... until you ask the right person
Cory Harelson didn’t go looking for a cheerleader
He went looking for a challenge
Over one beer with the only guy he knew who owned rentals
he asked: “Talk me out of buying a mobile home park”
Turns out—hi...
MFREE 119 Trailer # 2 with Cory Harelson: Can a Harsh Truth Make You a Better Leader?
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In this focus round with Cory Harelson, things get real — fast.
We cover everything from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to communication blind spots to losing a million dollars and bouncing back with more purpose than ever.
Cory opens up about what success means to him now
Why listening became his #1 leadership skill
And how one hars...
MFREE 119 Trailer # 1 with Cory Harelson: Are You Still Sitting in the Stands or Stepping Into the Arena?
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From engineering to full-time investing, Cory Harelson shares the mindset that kept him moving forward. His go-to? Teddy Roosevelt’s “Man in the Arena” — a reminder that success belongs to the ones actually in the fight.
We talk about what it really means to show up, especially when the path isn’t clear. This one touches on purpose, mental health...
MFREE 118 Full Episode with Gian Pazzia: Could Early Investing Be the One Move You’ll Regret Not Making?
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In this episode, Gian discusses his personal interests, such as surfing and Brazilian jiujitsu, and shares pivotal moments in his professional journey, including founding KBKG and launching successful software. He emphasizes the importance of early investment for tax advantages and reflects on missed opportunities in real estate. Gian also offers a valuable communication tip involving AI and underscores the long-term bene...
MFREE 118 Trailer # 5 with Gian Pazzia: Could This Strategy Let You Use Passive Losses Against Active Income?
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Most people don’t realize this, but if one spouse qualifies as a real estate professional, the entire household may benefit on their taxes. Even W-2 income could be offset.
Gian Pazzia breaks down how it works, what the 750-hour rule really means, and how couples are using this to take control of how their income gets taxed.
I...
MFREE 118 Trailer # 4 with Gian Pazzia: Are You Leaving Tax Credits on the Table?
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Gian Pazzia breaks down what this means for investors buying property in 2025 and how it could impact your first-year write offs.
He also shares a major energy tax incentive developers tend to overlook. If you own or build large properties, this could be a six-figure savings.
Simple moves. Big impact.
#RealEstateTax #BonusDepreciation #EnergyIncentives
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MFREE 118 Trailer # 3 with Gian Pazzia: Are You Paying More Taxes Than You Should?
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Gian Pazzia breaks down the most common mistakes investors miss when they trust the wrong team. From skipped cost segregation to missed bonus depreciation and 1031 missteps, it all adds up.
The IRS isn’t always the problem. Sometimes it’s the people you hired to protect your bottom line.
This one is simple, but important.
#TaxMi...
MFREE 118 Trailer # 2 with Gian Pazzia: Is It Ever Too Early to Start Investing?
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Gian Pazzia connects the dots in this Focus Round. He shares what shifted his path, what he wishes he acted on earlier, and how his definition of success has changed after 25 years in the game.
We also talk about thinking beyond the moment. If you want to leave something behind, you need to start thinking like an ancestor.
MFREE 118 Trailer # 1 with Gian Pazzia: Is Uncle Sam your silent partner in every deal?
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In this episode, Gian Pazzia shares the mindset shift that separates casual investors from strategic ones. Your biggest expense is taxes. Lowering that, even slightly, can fuel serious growth if you put those savings back into real estate.
This isn’t about loopholes or chasing write-offs. It’s about leading with intention, protecting your capital, and thinking like a true w...
MFREE 117 Full Episode with Kevin Bupp: Why Do Smart Investors Focus on Durable Cash Flow?
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In this episode of the Multi-Family Real Estate Experiment podcast, host Hutch interviews Kevin Bupp, CEO of Sunrise Capital Investors, about his journey in real estate. After building and losing a $75 million portfolio in the 2008 crash, Kevin rebuilt his empire stronger than ever with over $500 million in transactions. He discusses his strategies for investing in mobile home parks and parking lots...
