The Multifamily Real Estate Experiment Podcast
“Multifamily Real Estate Investing for the Career Professional.” Join Shelon "Hutch The Marine Investor" Hutchinson who talks to military veterans and real estate professionals about the results of their journey and multifamily real estate experiments. Each week, Hutch discusses Multifamily Real Estate Investing for Career Professionals and military veterans to help you build wealth and financial independence. Questions about Multifamily real estate investing are systematically dissected as your host works through observations and data to answer the week's question.
MFREE 119 Trailer # 4 with Cory Harelson: If the Demand Is There... Why Are the Lots Still Empty?
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Cory Harelson explains one of the most overlooked opportunities in mobile home park investing
It’s not that there’s no demand
It’s that filling lots takes effort, capital, and coordination — and many longtime owners just don’t bother
But that’s where the upside lives
You’re often buying based on current cash flo...
MFREE 119 Trailer # 3 with Cory Harelson: Is Your Circle Helping You Think Bigger?
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Sometimes the best move sounds crazy... until you ask the right person
Cory Harelson didn’t go looking for a cheerleader
He went looking for a challenge
Over one beer with the only guy he knew who owned rentals
he asked: “Talk me out of buying a mobile home park”
Turns out—hi...
MFREE 119 Trailer # 2 with Cory Harelson: Can a Harsh Truth Make You a Better Leader?
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In this focus round with Cory Harelson, things get real — fast.
We cover everything from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to communication blind spots to losing a million dollars and bouncing back with more purpose than ever.
Cory opens up about what success means to him now
Why listening became his #1 leadership skill
And how one hars...
MFREE 119 Trailer # 1 with Cory Harelson: Are You Still Sitting in the Stands or Stepping Into the Arena?
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From engineering to full-time investing, Cory Harelson shares the mindset that kept him moving forward. His go-to? Teddy Roosevelt’s “Man in the Arena” — a reminder that success belongs to the ones actually in the fight.
We talk about what it really means to show up, especially when the path isn’t clear. This one touches on purpose, mental health...
MFREE 118 Full Episode with Gian Pazzia: Could Early Investing Be the One Move You’ll Regret Not Making?
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In this episode, Gian discusses his personal interests, such as surfing and Brazilian jiujitsu, and shares pivotal moments in his professional journey, including founding KBKG and launching successful software. He emphasizes the importance of early investment for tax advantages and reflects on missed opportunities in real estate. Gian also offers a valuable communication tip involving AI and underscores the long-term bene...
MFREE 118 Trailer # 5 with Gian Pazzia: Could This Strategy Let You Use Passive Losses Against Active Income?
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Most people don’t realize this, but if one spouse qualifies as a real estate professional, the entire household may benefit on their taxes. Even W-2 income could be offset.
Gian Pazzia breaks down how it works, what the 750-hour rule really means, and how couples are using this to take control of how their income gets taxed.
I...
MFREE 118 Trailer # 4 with Gian Pazzia: Are You Leaving Tax Credits on the Table?
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Gian Pazzia breaks down what this means for investors buying property in 2025 and how it could impact your first-year write offs.
He also shares a major energy tax incentive developers tend to overlook. If you own or build large properties, this could be a six-figure savings.
Simple moves. Big impact.
#RealEstateTax #BonusDepreciation #EnergyIncentives
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MFREE 118 Trailer # 3 with Gian Pazzia: Are You Paying More Taxes Than You Should?
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Gian Pazzia breaks down the most common mistakes investors miss when they trust the wrong team. From skipped cost segregation to missed bonus depreciation and 1031 missteps, it all adds up.
The IRS isn’t always the problem. Sometimes it’s the people you hired to protect your bottom line.
This one is simple, but important.
#TaxMi...
MFREE 118 Trailer # 2 with Gian Pazzia: Is It Ever Too Early to Start Investing?
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Gian Pazzia connects the dots in this Focus Round. He shares what shifted his path, what he wishes he acted on earlier, and how his definition of success has changed after 25 years in the game.
We also talk about thinking beyond the moment. If you want to leave something behind, you need to start thinking like an ancestor.
MFREE 118 Trailer # 1 with Gian Pazzia: Is Uncle Sam your silent partner in every deal?
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In this episode, Gian Pazzia shares the mindset shift that separates casual investors from strategic ones. Your biggest expense is taxes. Lowering that, even slightly, can fuel serious growth if you put those savings back into real estate.
This isn’t about loopholes or chasing write-offs. It’s about leading with intention, protecting your capital, and thinking like a true w...
MFREE 117 Full Episode with Kevin Bupp: Why Do Smart Investors Focus on Durable Cash Flow?
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In this episode of the Multi-Family Real Estate Experiment podcast, host Hutch interviews Kevin Bupp, CEO of Sunrise Capital Investors, about his journey in real estate. After building and losing a $75 million portfolio in the 2008 crash, Kevin rebuilt his empire stronger than ever with over $500 million in transactions. He discusses his strategies for investing in mobile home parks and parking lots...
MFREE 117 Trailer # 5 with Kevin Bupp: Why is consistent cash flow more important than a rising market?
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In this episode, Kevin Bupp shares the hard truth about what went wrong early in his investing journey. His portfolio in Florida was built mostly on appreciation, not durable cash flow. And when the market turned, it turned fast.
Rents dropped. Jobs disappeared. Occupancy slipped. Even with low leverage and built-in equity, many properties lost 50 to 60 percent of thei...
MFREE 117 Trailer # 4 with Kevin Bupp: Why do most institutional buyers avoid owning homes?
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In this episode, Kevin Bupp breaks down how real value in mobile home park investing comes from the land, not the homes. Since the homes are considered personal property, like cars or trucks, they tend to lose value and create more management headaches.
The better play is to own the land, collect durable lot rent, and sell off the...
MFREE 117 Trailer # 3 with Kevin Bupp: What makes mobile home parks a long-term solution?
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Kevin Bupp shares how he got started in mobile home park investing without knowing much at the time. What he did know was that the affordable housing crisis was real then, and it's even more urgent now.
Mobile home parks offer one of the best unsubsidized housing options in the country. For the same price as a rental apar...
MFREE 117 Trailer # 2 with Kevin Bupp: How does consistency beat luck or timing?
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In this episode, Kevin Bupp breaks down what actually builds wealth that lasts. He shares how chasing appreciation in 2008 nearly cost him everything, and why he shifted to buying assets with real cash flow from day one.
We talk about how reinvesting cash flow and giving it time to work can beat any market timing strategy. Kevin also shar...
MFREE 117 Trailer # 1 with Kevin Bupp: Are You Growing or Just Staying Comfortable?
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In this episode, Kevin Bupp shares two mantras that guide how he leads, invests, and raises his kids. One comes from Warren Buffett. The other is about getting uncomfortable on purpose. Both hit hard if you're serious about growth.
We also talk about how discomfort isn't just a phase. It's a filter. From real estate decisions to military depl...
MFREE 116 Full Episode with Brian Truman: What If the Next Opportunity Came Disguised as a Distraction?
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In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment podcast, host Shelon Hutchinson (Hutch, the Marine investor) interviews Brian, co-owner of SVN Excel Group in Nashville. Brian shares his extraordinary journey, including a transformative Christmas Eve call in 2016 that catapulted his career in multifamily real estate. They discuss the importance of waking up with purpose, the significance of answering your phon...
MFREE 116 Trailer # 5 with Brian Truman: Are You Earning Your Spot or Just Hoping for a Break?
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This time, Hutch takes the mic and gets straight to it.
If you're trying to break into real estate, you need more than a spreadsheet and a dream. You need reps. You need relationships. You need to be in the room, bidding on deals, learning from each one, and getting better.
Hutch shares why building your buy...
MFREE 116 Trailer # 4 with Brian Truman: Can Being Present Create More Deals Than Planning?
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In this episode, Brian Truman shares the unexpected moment that catapulted him into multifamily real estate. It wasn’t a carefully laid plan. It wasn’t some step-by-step course. It was one opportunity, a crowded room full of curious investors, and a willingness to show up when others would’ve clocked out.
Brian breaks down how saying yes in that mo...
MFREE 116 Trailer # 3 with Brian Truman: Are the Most Successful People Just Better at Getting Back Up?
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You’ve probably heard the highlight reels. But what about the hard parts people rarely talk about?
In this episode, Brian Truman shares what he's learned from hosting the From Foundation to Fortune podcast. After interviewing countless high achievers from all walks of life, one thing keeps showing up. It's not luck. It's not a perfect background. It's grit.<...
MFREE 116 Trailer # 2 with Brian Truman: Is Success Just About Money or Something Deeper?
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In this Focus Round, Brian Truman gets right to it. Quick-fire answers, but packed with real-life lessons.
He shares what lights him up, what opportunity changed everything, and how the simple habit of doing one more thing can set you apart. One more call. One more deal. One more step forward.
For Brian, success today means help...
MFREE 116 Trailer # 1 with Brian Truman: Can Raising Your Standard of Living Lead to a Life of Giving?
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What if building wealth wasn’t just about having more but about giving more? 👀
In this episode, Brian Truman shares the mindset that fuels everything he does. It's not just about cash flow or returns. It's about raising your standard of living so you can raise your standard of giving.
From running free real estate education events to...
MFREE 115 Full Episode with Jon Ostenson: Is Franchise Ownership the Overlooked Wealth Strategy?
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In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment Podcast, host Hutch the Marine Investor welcomes John Austinson, founder and CEO of Fan Bridge Consulting. Together, they delve into the unique business opportunities that franchising offers, particularly non-food franchising. John, an industry expert and author of 'Non-Food Franchising: The Better Path to Business Ownership,' shares insights on how franchising sits...
MFREE 115 Trailer # 5 with Jon Ostenson : Could a franchise be your launchpad to long-term ownership?
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Franchising gets overlooked, but it might just be the smartest way to step into business ownership without starting from zero.
In this episode, Jon Ostenson explains how franchises offer more than just a name; they come with built-in systems, marketing playbooks, tech stacks, supply chain advantages, and a mastermind of other owners walking the same path.
It’s...
MFREE 115 Trailer # 4 with Jon Ostenson : Is boring the new blueprint for real business success?
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Jon Ostenson lays it out: some of the best business opportunities today are hiding in plain sight. They're not trendy, not flashy, and definitely not viral. But they work.
From parking lot striping to pet services, freight brokerage to senior care, there’s a growing demand for businesses that offer real-world value, steady cash flow, and simple operations.
T...
MFREE 115 Trailer # 3 with Jon Ostenson : What due diligence separates smart investors from hopeful buyers?
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Not every franchise is built to last. In this segment, Jon Ostenson unpacks how investors can avoid being blindsided by failing concepts, trendy ideas, or undercapitalized franchise groups.
He explains why due diligence is everything, how to filter out the noise, and what real-world data tells you before you ever sign a check. It's not about chasing what’s hot...
MFREE 115 Trailer # 2 with Jon Ostenson: Are you building a business or building time for what matters?
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In this Focus Round, Jon Ostenson shares the real wins behind business ownership. Coaching his kid’s basketball team, golfing with his son, taking his daughter on dates... that’s the freedom he's built.
We talk about the opportunity that changed his life, the shift from obligation to passion, and why leadership means speaking clearly even when it's uncomfor...
MFREE 115 Trailer # 1 with Jon Ostenson : Are You Called to More Than Just Investing?
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What if building wealth isn’t just about making smart moves with your money, but about showing up with clarity, purpose, and discipline? 💡💼
In this episode, Jon Ostenson shares how he approaches business ownership, passive investing, and life with a mindset rooted in stewardship. From real estate and private credit to franchises and crypto, he's not chasing trends. He's using f...
MFREE 114 Full Episode with VINCENT VILLANI : Can You Build Real Wealth Without Owning Real Estate?
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In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment podcast, host Shalon Hutchinson, known as Hutch the Marine Investor, delves into an innovative real estate strategy with guest Vince Villiani. Vince has mastered the art of building a six-figure Airbnb business without owning property by leveraging rental arbitrage and short-term rental management. He shares his journey from traditional real estate inve...
MFREE 114 Trailer # 5 with VINCENT VILLANI: Is Airbnb Too Saturated or Just More Competitive Now?
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In this episode, we head into the truth behind the Airbnb saturation talk.
Vincent shares his take on why saturation isn't the problem people think it is. In fact, he sees it as a good thing. Saturation just means the standard has been raised. You can’t dabble anymore. You need real analysis, smart property selection, and a clear...
MREE 114 Trailer # 4 with VINCENT VILLANI: What's the best AirBNB strategy for you?
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In this episode, we head into a breakdown of two proven Airbnb strategies: arbitrage and co-hosting.
Vincent walks through how each model works, what the pros and cons are, and why one might make more sense depending on your goals. Arbitrage can create strong cash flow, but comes with startup costs. Co-hosting skips the upfront expense and earns you...
MFREE 114 Trailer # 3 with VINCENT VILLANI: Is your Airbnb strategy built on research or risk?
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In this episode, we head into a practical breakdown of what works in the short-term rental space.
Vincent explains how he uses data to reverse engineer successful Airbnb strategies. He looks at top earners, studies their renovation style, location, and approach, then applies that formula to new markets. It’s simple and effective.
But it’s not just...
MFREE 114 Trailer # 2 with VINCENT VILLANI: Are you building wealth or just working harder?
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In this episode, we head into the focus round with Vincent. Quick questions, sharp answers, and honest insight.
He shares what he does for fun, how one job flipped his whole trajectory, and why sales is the most important skill in entrepreneurship.
We also dive into the real cost of indecision and how being more decisive can...
MFREE 114 Trailer # 1 with VINCENT VILLANI: Are you still trading time for income?
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Vincent drops insight that goes deeper than real estate.
He shares the quote that’s stuck with him since high school and how it shaped the way he builds income, leads people, and protects his time.
This episode is about mindset, leadership, and building smart systems so you're not stuck trading hours for dollars.
It’s c...
MFREE 113 Full Episode with Rod Khleif : What Separates Those Who Rebuild from Those Who Quit?
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Mastering Wealth and Mindset: A Journey with Rod Khleif
In this episode of the Multifamily Real Estate Experiment podcast, hosts chat with Rod Khleif—a real estate investor, philanthropist, and high-performance coach. Rod shares his inspiring journey from Dutch immigrant to owning over 2000 properties, discussing the mindset and strategies that fueled his success. He emphasizes the power of goal s...
MFREE 113 Trailer # 5 with Rod Khleif : Are You Living by Design or by Default?
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Rod Khleif kept it real in this episode. Most people spend more time organizing a birthday party than they do planning the next five years of their life. Wild, but true.
We talked about confidence, and how it actually starts with competence. If you want to lead better, invest smarter, or just feel more in control of your time...
MFREE 113 Trailer # 4 with Rod Khleif : Is fear stopping you or sharpening you?
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Fear isn’t the problem. Sitting in it is.
In this episode, Rod flips the script on what fear really is. It’s not the situation you’re afraid of, it’s the feeling. And most people let that emotion win.
But top performers? They face everything and rise.
Rod talks about how goal setting, hun...
MFREE 113 Trailer # 3 with Rod Khleif : Are you stuck waiting for the whole path to show up?
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You don’t need to see the whole road. Just turn on the headlights and move.
In this clip, Rod breaks down what really holds people back from progress. It’s not the market. It’s not the money. It’s fear.
Fear of failure.
Fear of looking dumb.
Fear of not being ready.<...
MFREE 113 Trailer # 2 with Rod Khleif : What Changes When Growth Becomes the Goal?
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In this episode we head to the Focus Round — quick questions, real answers. Rod Khleif gave a fun, honest peek into his world. 🧠
From riding his elliptical bike around the neighborhood to chasing purpose over Lamborghinis, Rod breaks down what actually matters most in this stage of life. He shares why listening (yep, even when it’s hard) is...
MFREE 113 Trailer # 1 with Rod Khleif : What Drives You When No One’s Watching?
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Tony Robbins said it best: “Live with passion.” And that’s exactly what Rod lives by.
This isn’t about cap rates or unit count. It’s about mindset. The kind that shows up when you’re tired, when things aren’t going your way, and when no one’s clapping for you.
Rod shares the one quote that fuels...
