The Jury Is Out

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The Jury is Out offers insight, experience and mentorship to trial attorneys who want to better serve their clients and improve their practice. Hosted by John Simon, Member of the International Academy of Trial Lawyers and Founder of Simon Law, Tim Cronin, Attorney at Simon Law, and St. Louis attorney Erich Vieth, named one of the top Appellate Attorneys in Missouri in 2021, The Jury Is Out focuses on client relations, trial skills and firm management. Nationally recognized guests add depth and vision to the lively and inspiring discussion. Recognized by the National Law Journal as one of the winningest law...

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EP 720: Deposition Tips Part 3: Be the most prepared person in the room
#20
Today at 11:00 AM

What does real prep look like? Hosts John Simon, Tim Cronin and Erich Veith discuss re-reading the pleadings (even when you think you remember them), pre-running exhibits with the video tech, using your experts, and why AI can draft your outline but can't do your thinking. Plus: the "just damages" lesson John Simon learned the hard way in year one.



EP 719: Deposition Tips, Part 2: 12 Goals to Accomplish in Every Depo
#19
09/16/2026

Co-hosts John Simon and Tim Cronin move from style and brainstorming into the concrete goals attorneys should have walking into any deposition. As John puts it, if a deposition isn't accomplishing one of these goals, it may be worth asking why you're taking it at all. John and Tim break down the list of tips, from establishing the elements of your case and eliminating claims and defenses, to boxing witnesses into fixed answers, flipping expert opinions before they're given, and establishing safety rules the other side has to agree apply. Along the way, they share detailed trial stories: a...


EP 718: Deposition Tips, Part 1: Style, Approach, and Brainstorming Before You Ever Ask a Question
#18
09/02/2026

Hosts John Simon and Tim Cronin dig into how to read a witness in the first 15 minutes, when to be deferential versus direct, and why walking in with a rigid game plan can cost you if you're not willing to throw it out in the first of a new multi-part series on deposition strategy. They break down what separates attorneys who simply gather information from those who use every deposition to actively build their case and share real war stories from decades of practice. The episode covers five tips on style and approach and four tips on brainstorming before...


EP 717: When Experts Go Rogue & Meta Verdict Fallout
#17
08/19/2026

John Simon breaks down nine of the top 10 factors most likely to derail a case and how to handle them with Tim Cronin as guest host. Here’s a hint: Experts. They also examine the impact of recent social media–driven verdicts and discuss how a low rideshare verdict could influence similar cases moving forward in a good way.



EP 716 - The Jury Is Out: What Jurors Really Care About (A Father-Daughter Conversation, Part 2)
#16
08/05/2026

In Part 2 of this father-daughter conversation, trial attorneys John Simon and Mary Simon continue exploring what truly drives jury decision-making. Through real courtroom stories and side-by-side scenarios, John explains why a defendant's conduct, credibility, and character often matter as much as the injuries themselves. Together, they discuss why jurors don't simply calculate damages—they make human judgments about responsibility, accountability, and whether someone has earned their trust.



EP 715 - The Jury Is Out: What Jurors Really Care About (A Father-Daughter Conversation, Part 1)
#15
07/22/2026

This week's episode brings a unique dynamic to the mic as trial attorneys John Simon and Mary Simon—father daughter duo—sit down for an honest conversation about what jurors actually care about. Drawing on more than 41 years and over 100 jury trials, John shares the lessons experience has taught him while Mary asks the questions every trial lawyer eventually wrestles with.



EP 714 - Fines, Fees, and Civil Rights Part 2
#14
07/08/2026

Beyond exploring the civil rights victories attorney and professor Brendan Roediger has scored, the hosts dive into three themes of teaching the next generation in civil practice. Erich Veith, who co-teaches a Civil Practice course at St. Louis University Law with Roediger, walks students through a simulated case from initial client intake all the way to the eve of trial, noting it's where students stop feeling like the law is magic performed only by people smarter than them and start realizing they actually belong. Roediger proposes allowing students to submit AI produced assignments instead of preaching against it, and...


EP 713 - Fines, Fees, and Civil Rights Part 1
#13
06/24/2026

Find out how a defense theory that multiple women fabricated stories of sexual assault out of greed for settlement money collapsed under cross examination in this episode with Brendan Roediger, civil rights attorney and clinical law professor at St. Louis University School of Law. The episode covers a lot of Roediger's career, from the grassroots discovery of illegal warrant fees in St. Louis County municipalities to a $37 million verdict against the St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department and some of the most difficult civil rights litigation imaginable. What ties it all together is his view that the legal system routinely...


EP 712 - The Improv Advantage: What Trial Lawyers Can Learn from the Stage Part 2
#12
06/10/2026

This episode moves from the philosophy of improv into its specific mechanics and direct parallels to the craft of trial law. Guest Ashley Rube breaks down what she actually teaches: starting with being a great teammate, then building active listening, presence, and scene mechanics from there. The principle that your job is to make your scene partner look incredible reframes how Tim Cronin thinks about direct examination: rather than ticking through an outline, the attorney's role is to set up the witness to shine. Ryan Myers draws the same parallel from his years in sales: the best client conversations...


EP 711: The Improv Advantage: What Trial Lawyers Can Learn from the Stage Part 1
#11
05/27/2026

Listen in as performers, teachers and corporate workshop facilitators from The Improv Shop in St. Louis explain how improv skills map directly into the courtroom, deposition room and any high-stakes conversation where the unexpected is guaranteed to happen. Hosts Erich Veith and Tim Cronin reflect with Ashley Rube and Ryan Myers on one of the most common failure modes they observe in young trial lawyers: rigid adherence to a prepared outline even when a witness hands them something better. The instinct to follow the script, they argue, is trained into law students from day one and it takes real...


EP 710: The Amazonization of Liability Part 2
#10
05/13/2026

The hosts explore how other companies are engaging in Amazon’s Delivery Service Provider or DSP model to skirt liability for the actions of workers in the gig economy. Guest Johnny Simon tells host Tim Cronin Amazon is facing an existential question because these types of cases require attorneys to uncover unflattering evidence, including information about their profits and how they treat drivers. Cronin says the trend is spreading to the healthcare industry, especially in rural hospitals.



EP 709: The Amazonization of Liability Part 1
#9
04/29/2026

The Courts are starting to recognize Amazon and other massive companies should be held liable for the actions of their agents or employees while they’re on the clock, despite their attempts at creating corporate structures to avoid liability in the gig economy. Simon Law Attorney Johnny Simon discusses the strategies he’s used to hold Amazon and other companies accountable with host Tim Cronin, who also has had success in these types of cases. The hosts break down how Amazon’s Delivery Service Provider or DSP model is marketed as independent small businesses but operates under extensive control from A...


EP 708: Navigating Discovery Obstruction in Modern Litigation Part 2
#8
04/15/2026

 From starting with clear, reasonable requests and meticulously documenting every interaction, to setting firm deadlines and escalating strategically, The Jury is Out outlines how to maintain control of the process. John Simon, Eric Veith and Tim Cronin highlight how persistent obstruction from opposing counsel can be turned into a powerful advantage in your case.


EP 707: Navigating Discovery Obstruction in Modern Litigation Part 1
#7
04/01/2026

The Jury is Out explores the growing problem of discovery obstruction in litigation, where routine requests are increasingly met with blanket objections. John Simon, Erich Veith and Tim Cronin discuss how this trend impacts day-to-day legal work, and practical strategies attorneys can use to push through resistance and keep cases moving forward.



EP 706: The Two Things That Can Blow Up Your Case
#6
03/18/2026

The Jury is Out hands this week’s episode over to The Case Doctors, John Simon and Alvin Wolff. With more than 80 years of combined legal experience, Simon and Wolff have seen it all—and now, they’re sharing their insights into real-world legal questions submitted by fellow attorneys. In this episode, the veteran plaintiff’s attorneys break down practical issues litigators face every day—especially the two most common case-killers: unprepared clients and unprepared experts.



EP 705: Secrets to Longevity, Sanity, and Success in Law
#5
03/04/2026

In this episode of The Jury Is Out, John Simon and co-host Erich Vieth explore what it really takes to survive—and thrive—in one of the most demanding professions there is: the practice of a trial lawyer. The conversation centers on practical, hard-earned wisdom for building a long, fulfilling legal career without losing your sanity or sense of humor. Whether you’re a young attorney just starting out or a seasoned trial lawyer navigating year 30, this conversation offers timeless insights on how to endure the pressures of the profession—and still love what you do.


EP 704- Meet the Case Doctors
#4
02/18/2026

The Jury is Out hands this week’s episode over to The Case Doctors, John Simon, and Alvin Wolff. With more than 80 years of combined legal experience, Simon and Wolff have seen it all—and now, they’re sharing their insights into real-world legal questions submitted by fellow attorneys. News of a corndog recall sparks hilarious memories for Wolff of a case he once handled. And attorneys ask the Case Doctors how they keep their sanity and ethics intact when a client has a history of suing and firing previous attorneys.



EP 703- Trial Wisdom From a Texas Legend
#3
02/04/2026

In this episode of The Jury is Out, Tim Cronin and John Simon pick the brain of Thomas R. Conner, a fourth-generation retired trail lawyer who spent 45 years fighting high stakes litigation in Houston. Tom shares practical trial preparation tips and what he believes young lawyers aren’t taught in law school about resilience, long-term career satisfaction, and emotional endurance. In his upcoming book, From Cotton Fields to Courtrooms: A Texas Lawyer’s Memoir, Tom reflects on his journey from a childhood in rural West Texas to the emotionally charged world of courtroom litigation.


EP 702- Home Alone: A Personal Injury Quagmire
#2
01/21/2026

In Home Alone, young Kevin McCallister tries to protect himself from two bungling burglars. But could Kevin be held liable for their injuries? Join us for a lighthearted legal look at this holiday classic.


EP 701- Peter Dunne Part Two
#1
01/07/2026

Attorney Peter Dunne shares stories about other legendary St. Louis lawyers and the entertaining ways they handled paper correspondence in the days before email.



EP 626- Attorney and Professor Peter Dunne Part One
#26
12/24/2025

With over 40 years of courtroom experience, attorney Peter Dunne is still learning by teaching. Hear some of his favorite lessons from the classroom and the courtroom.



EP 625- Working Up A Big Win Part 2
#25
12/10/2025

John Simon remarked, “If the jury thinks this case is about rocks, you’re in trouble.”  How we creatively framed the case and presented punitives set our client up for a major win.



EP 624- Working Up A Big Win Part 1
#24
11/26/2025

Dissecting a $109 Million Verdict on a Business Litigation case: Attorneys Kevin Carnie and Pat McPhail join The Jury is Out to discuss how they creatively framed the case and presented punitives to set their client up for a significant win.



EP 623- 40 Years of Law with Don Schlapprizzi Part Two
#23
11/12/2025

Don Schlapprizzi discusses significant changes in the legal practice and how he endured being lead counsel on a 90-day civil jury trial…the longest in Missouri history.



EP 622- 40 Years of Law with Don Schlapprizzi
#22
10/29/2025

One of the most highly respected attorneys in Missouri, Don Schlapprizzi shares personal experiences and lessons learned through more than 350 cases.



EP 620- Old School Cool with Dan Ryan Part Two
#21
10/15/2025

In our continuing conversation, John, Tim and Dan Ryan share more great trial stories.  You can’t make this stuff up, but you can laugh and learn from it.



EP 620- Old School Cool with Dan Ryan Part One
#20
10/01/2025

With over 30 years experience, attorney Dan Ryan has plenty of stories. Part One begins with bar exam anecdotes and leads into literally mopping up during a trial.



EP 619- Intake Analysis and Workup of a Product Fire Case Part Two
#19
09/17/2025

You’ve secured the scene and gathered your cause and origin evidence. So who will you include in the litigation?



EP 618- Intake Analysis and Workup of a Product Fire Case Part One
#18
09/03/2025

How do you assess a product fire case? Follow our analysis and get some key insights as we begin to work up an intake on a tragic hospice bed fire.



EP 617- Ten Pitfalls In Client Prep Part Two
#17
08/20/2025

If you just prep your client an hour before their depo, you are doing them a disservice. Tune infor our final tips on how to improve your client’s depo.



EP 616- Ten Pitfalls in Client Depo Prep Part One
#16
08/06/2025

Your client has a story to tell, but how they tell it may determine whether or not you win the case. Create the best possible impression by avoiding these pitfalls in your client’s deposition.



EP 615- 12 battle tested rules for Voir Dire Part Two
#15
07/23/2025

Part Two provides six strategies to help remove unfavorable jurors, better frame your case and deal with damages. But to do so, you must focus on the worst part of your case and prepare to reframe it.



EP 614- 12 Battle Tested Rules for Voir Dire Part One
#14
07/09/2025

Our first six rules address how to ask questions, how to listen and ways to probe sensitive issues during voir dire.



EP 613- Fighting for Constitutional Rights Part 3
#13
06/25/2025

Do you know how the government can define away your property rights? Or the basis for the Lemonade Freedom Movement? Through public interest litigation, Attorney David Roland fights for our mutual humanity.



EP 612- Fighting for Constitutional Rights Part Two
#12
06/11/2025

Our conversation with Constitutional lawyer David Roland continues as he discusses recent challenges to your rights and how you can hold task forces and government accountable.



EP 611- Fighting for Constitutional Rights Part One
#11
05/28/2025

David Roland founded the Freedom Center of Missouri to pursue legal protection of our constitutional rights to economic liberty and free speech. Our three-part series is a vital refresher on landmark cases and our ongoing responsibility to litigate for freedom.



EP 610- Baby Formula Victory with Jake Plattenberger
#10
05/14/2025

This groundbreaking litigation about defective baby formula causing catastrophic necrotizing enterocolitis in premature newborns pits marketing against medicine.



EP 609- Design Defect Strategy with Jake Plattenberger
#9
04/30/2025

Plaintiff attorney Jake Plattenberger used innovative trial techniques to overcome key excluded evidence in a tragic design defect case.



EP 608- Against The Odds with Katie St. John
#8
04/16/2025

Everyone said they couldn’t win this case. But being the most prepared people in the room helped Dave Cates and Katie St. John secure a significant verdict in a difficult venue.


EP 607- Against The Odds with Dave Cates
#7
04/02/2025

Attorney Dave Cates partnered with Tim Cronin on a recent product case where the judge ordered a new trial based on defense misconduct. We’ll share the details and discuss how getting too deep in the weeds can actually save your case.