The Arise Podcast
Conversations about faith, race, justice, gender and healing.
Season 7, Episode 6: Danielle, Rebecca and Jenny
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Split Vision
Whiteness and the American Trauma of Separation
Danielle S Rueb-CastillejoÂ
(Author)
Phil Allen JrÂ
(Foreword by)
https://bookshop.org/p/books/split-vision-whiteness-and-the-american-trauma-of-separation/2f93dc782ae51f71?ean=9798341903371
Here is a local bookshop: https://www.eagleharborbooks.com/item/OSAnm6ufR3vrTezaJ16gHQ
Rebecca Wheeler Walston
On belonging, loyalty, and the Black American experience â 03:42
âNow I would say that because of the history of the drop is a drop is a drop, weâre pretty good at belongin...
Season 7, Episode 5: Danielle, Rebecca and Jenny on the question of Race and Greed in this moment
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Tuesday, October 27th, 2026
4:30 PM
Missionary Deliverance - Danielle Castillejo with Jenny McGrath
1 hour 30 minutes @ $35.00
Come learn with two former missionaries about the intersections of White Evangelical Christian nationalism and international aid.
This is not a place for quick fixes or answers, but an intro to a conversation about what it means to move ethically through these complicated times.
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Split Vision
Whiteness...
Season 7, Episode 4: Jenny McGrath, Rebecca Walston and Danielle S Castillejo on Elections
Patriarchal bargaining, belonging, and complicity
Jenny | 14:55
âThey were preserving themselves in the male dominated space of, if I call this out, then I'm going to be ostracized, exiled, whatever. And so all of it then becomes this performance of bargaining to continue to try to get power in proximity to patriarchy and white patriarchy.â
Rebecca | 16:45
âIs it that we need to have a better conversation about power in general and not just the people who are at the center of it, but the people who are in proximity to it and what we're willing to do to...
Season 7, Episode 3: Jenny, Rebecca and Danielle - the Power of Mutual Aid and the issue of Fear
Episode Summary
In this episode, Danielle, Rebecca, and Jenny explore how political instability reaches far beyond electionsâentering the body, the grocery store, the workplace, and the relationships people have with their neighbors. Jenny describes the physical relief she experienced crossing from the United States into Canada, revealing how much fear and vigilance her body had been carrying. Danielle brings the conversation into everyday economic life through rising food prices, unreliable food systems, and the growing need for neighborhood mutual-aid networks.
The hosts examine fear as an intentional political strategyâone that convinces people to dist...
Season 7, Episode 2: HBCUs, The Empire and Whatever else
âEverybody talks about genocides around the world, but when the killing is slow and spread over a hundred years, no one notices. Where there are no mass graves, no one notices. American outrage is always for show. It has a shelf life.â
â Percival Everett, The Trees
Jenny â Vulnerability becomes the scapegoat
âIt felt like a projection of vulnerability. We donât want to acknowledge how precarious one medical bill could be, one school bill could be. And so I think there becomes this hatred of whoever represents vulnerability. And right now that feels really...
Season 7, Episode 1: The Graveyard of Instagram with Rebecca W. Walston and Danielle S. Rueb Castillejo
A major thread of the episode is the relationship between immigration rhetoric and broader racial control. Danielle and Rebecca argue that calls to âsecure the borderâ are not only about the nationâs geographic borders, but also about who gets counted as belonging, qualified, safe, or fully human. They connect immigration enforcement, birthright citizenship, anti-DEI backlash, voting rights, and gerrymandering as part of a larger project of redrawing the boundaries of American life around whiteness and power.
The conversation also turns inward toward betrayal within communities of color. Danielle speaks with grief and anger about Latino communities voting...
Season 6, Episode 33: Adoption and Whiteness with Rebecca, Jenny and Danielle
Rebecca
In this country, what we do with adoption is this notion automatically that adoption is a good thing, and whoever is in the role of adoptive parent is the hero of the story. That usually means the story of the adopted child, and however they came to be in a position where adoption was an option, is villainized in a way that is often inaccurate and radically oversimplified. Itâs told as if the adopted childâs story begins at the moment of adoption, as if there was not something that happened before or during.
It...
Season 6, Episode 32: Jenny McGrath and Danielle S. Rueb Castillejo on the World Cup and Cancel Culture
Danielle Pull Quotes
âI just love the competition of it and seeing how far people can push their bodies and how far they can go. And I love team sports. I didnât used to like soccer, but Iâve been watching World Cup games with Luis, whoâs my partner. Since Mexico played the United States, we watched that game in Ciudad JuĂĄrez in Mexico together. And thatâs one of the last times the U.S. won. We were down there, and I remember cheering and looking around, and Luis was like, âDonât cheer. Youâre g...
Season 6, Episode 31: Danielle Castillejo and Jenny McGrath talk about Dissociation
Jenny describes dissociation as the feeling of not being fully present, not quite in the body, and not able to feel oneâs weight connected to the earth. Danielle adds her own experience of dissociation through music, piano, and âslow time,â complicating the idea that dissociation is always pathological. Together, they make space for dissociation as both a protective strategy and a collective danger: something that can offer relief, but can also allow people and communities to remain absent from suffering, violence, and accountability.
The conversation then turns toward whiteness, privilege, and what Danielle names âthe white taxââthe...
Season 6, Episode 30: The First, The Few, The Only with Michael Thornhill
Michael Thornhillâs book, The First, The Few and The Only, is available through the official book site and shop. The site describes Thornhill as an AfroCuban author, consultant, and recovering DEI practitioner whose work explores race, erasure, tokenism, and mixed identity in North America.
Book / author links: https://www.thefirstthefewandtheonly.com/about
Official book site: https://www.thefirstthefewandtheonly.com/shop
Instagram: @thefirstthefewandtheonly
Telling the Truth and Taking Your Story Seriously
Michael
âThe first thing that comes to mind for the listeners is you need to take your...
Season 6, Episode 29: Rebecca W. Walston and Danielle S. Castillejo - Updates - Voting Right's Act
Rebecca
1. On grief, shock, and not trusting white institutions
âI don't think shocked is the word that I would use. At the risk of making a sweeping generalization, I think we don't trust white people. I don't think we ever have. And I think even when we see something that looks like forward progress, that doesn't necessarily mean that we trust the white privileged supremacist institutions that were the reason why we needed forward progress in the first place. So I don't know that surprised is or shocked is a word. I think I have so...
Season 6, Episode 28: Rebecca, Danielle, and Jenny: Settler Colonial Sex and Purity Culture Stuff
Danielle
1. On adults needing honesty before they can guide young people
âBut then that comes back to us and being able to honestly talk about our own experiences as kids and be far more honest about what that experience was. Be far more honest about the spectrums we probably all lie along or the ways we've felt confused or the way we've worked through maybe even contradictions in our own selves that don't feel like they fit and what tools have we used that are helpful, what tools have not worked for us⌠I think it's...
Season 6, Episode 27: Danielle, Rebecca and Jenny McGrath - Pope Leo and the President
"Woe to those who manipulate religion and the very name of God for their own military, economic and political gain, dragging that which is sacred into darkness and filth," Leo said during his four-country tour of Africa. "It is a world turned upside down, an exploitation of Godâs creation that must be denounced and rejected by every honest conscience."
Link here
Podcast Summary: Pope Fiction
This episode is a sharp, passionate, and often humorous conversation about religion, power, and political corruption in the current American moment. Using recent controversies involving Donald Trump, Pe...
Season 6, Episode 26: Danielle, Jenny, and Rebecca on Women in Power, Pam Bondi?
Danielle
âWhen it comes to defending my kids, my husband, my community, my family membersâeven if I donât like you and I thought it was unjustâI could really step in and kick some ass. But when it comes to myself, the shutdown is so strong. I almost want to fall asleep.â
Rebecca
âThereâs a reason why you can be so passionate about justiceâbecause you know what unjust feels like and looks like and sounds like. Whatever we have to do to survive that stays with us. And we can simul...
Season 6, Episode 25: Jenny, Danielle and Rebecca: Iran, Dolores Huerta, and Women
Episode Summary
Trigger Warning: We should mention that parts of this story might be disturbing for some of our listeners.
Dolores Huerta reminds us of the risk still carried in speaking: âI think that women when they do come forward with their stories, that they instead of getting the kind of support that they need, to get attacked, I mean, or they're not believed that we've seen this happen throughout history, and so I think we'll just have to deal with that if it does happen. Hopefully it won't, but if it does, we'll just ha...
Season 6, Episode 24: Jenny, Danielle and Rebecca on Epstein, Iran and White Women
Jenny (00:02):
I think is actually thought provoking. I've seen some conversation around the idea that there was this intentional move to make white women the face of this administration and to do it in a way that is you're woefully unprepared. You maybe even are intentionally ill prepared to take the fall and that that is not a new dynamic for white men.
Rebecca (01:03):
She really can't talk.
Jenny (01:06):
Okay. I'm sorry. We had just talked, so I was not prepared for your voice to sound like that. It...
Season 6, Episode 23: Jenny, Danielle, Rebecca: Christian Nationalism and this Moment in Iran
âEl mexicano frecuenta a la muerte, la burla, la acaricia, duerme con ella, la festeja, es uno de sus juguetes favoritos y su amor permanente.â
â Octavio Paz, El Laberinto de la Soledad
Lindsay Graham: https://abcnews4.com/news/local/after-laying-out-a-similar-plan-11-years-ago-lindsey-graham-hails-trumps-iran-operation
https://youtu.be/wjGgrU8g30c?si=Bly_wZswHLJr8gpw
Danielle (00:04):
I saw this thing from Lindsay Graham, this clip, and he was saying what we're doing in Iran now is going to ... And Lindsay Grand is a senator here in the United States. And he said he's going to...
Season 6, Episode 22: Danielle, Rebecca and Jenny
Jenny (02:14):
I have been thinking about conversations that I've been having and things that I've been seeing lately about this new found anger and rage for MAGA friends and family members. And I think this facade of hope for a long time that I had been called Hyperbolic and I'd been saying I was overreacting or I was paranoid, and then when things continued to escalate, there was the sense of, okay, now they'll see. Now they'll see. And really feeling like there's pretty much not more that could happen that would lift the veil of where...
Season 6, Episode 21: Jenny and Danielle and Rebecca on this current Trauma moment
Rebecca W. Walston: https://rebuildingmyfoundation.com
At Solid Foundation Story Coaching, we believe that stories shape our lives. Our experiencesâboth joyful and painfulâdefine how we see ourselves and interact with the world. Story Coaching offers a unique space to explore your personal journey, uncover patterns of hurt and resilience, and gain clarity on how your past shapes your present. Unlike therapy, Story Coaching is not about diagnosis or treatment. Instead, itâs about having someone truly listenâwithout judgment or adviceâso you can process your story in a safe and supportive space. Whether you choose one...
Season 6, Episode 20: Jenny McGrath and Danielle Rueb Castillejo on Subverting Supremacy in our Practices
In this episode, we explore what it means to stay human in a time of collective trauma. We talk about messiness as a core part of being alive, how purity culture and rigid systems disconnect us from our bodies, and why agency, consent, and clear yeses and nos are essential forms of resistance. Together, we unpack how supremacy shapes therapy, relationships, and identity â especially through individualism, whiteness, and disembodiment â and imagine more liberating ways of practicing care, connection, and community. The conversation weaves personal reflection, cultural critique, and somatic wisdom, inviting listeners back into their bodies, their grief, and thei...
Season 6, Episode 19: Jenny McGrath, Rebecca W Walston and Danielle S Rueb Castillejo on the Five Year Old Boy Kidnappe
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/21/ice-arrests-five-year-old-boy-minnesota
US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) detained a five-year-old Minnesota boy on Tuesday as he returned home from school and transported him and his father to a Texas detention center, according to school officials.
Liam Ramos, a preschooler, and his father were taken into custody while in their driveway, the superintendent of the school district in Columbia Heights, a Minneapolis suburb, said at a press conference on Wednesday. Liam, who had recently turned five, is one of four children in the school district who have been detained by...
Season 6, Episode 18: Jenny McGrath and Rebecca W. Walston and Danielle - this current moment in 2026
Season 6 episode 18 rebecca j...and therapy - 1_8_26, 10.27AM
Thu, Jan 08, 2026 10:40AM ⢠57:28
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
emotional metabolization, existential threat, destabilizing changes, social media, information overload, Venezuela crisis, racial identity, colonization, anti-blackness, white privilege, immigration policies, historical context, white supremacy, interdependence, narrative control
SPEAKERS
Speaker 3, Speaker 1, Speaker 2
Jenny 00:30
I think something I'm sitting with is the impossibility and the necessity of trying to metabolize what's going on in our bodies. Yeah, and it feels like this double bind where I feel like we need to...
Season 6, Episode 17: Therapy and Healing around the Holidays w/Jenny and Danielle
Welcome to the Arise podcast, conversations on faith, race, justice, gender, the church, and what are we seeing in reality right now? So Jenny and I dive in a little bit about therapy. The holidays, I would don't say the words collective liberation, but it feels like that's what we're really touching on and what does that mean in this day and age? What are we finding with one another? How are we seeking help? What does it look like and what about healing? What does that mean to us? This isn't like a tell all or the answer...
Season 6, Episode 16: Rebecca W. Walston, Jenny McGrath and Danielle on MTG, Politics and the Continuum of Moral Awareness
âItâs not enough to build a system and then exit stage left when you realize itâs broken. The âIâm sorryâ is not the work â itâs only the acknowledgment that work needs to be done. After the apology, you must actually do the repair. And what I see from her is the language of accountability without the actions that would demonstrate it. Thatâs insufficient for real change.â
Danielle (01:03):
Well, I mean, what's not going on? Just, I don't know. I think the government feels more and more extreme. So that's one thing I f...
Season 6< Episode 15: Therapy and Faith, Colonized? Dominion? How do we make sense of it?
Danielle (00:02):
Hey, Jenny, you and I usually hop on here and you're like, what's happening today? Is there a guest today? Isn't that what you told me at the beginning?
And then I sent you this Instagram reel that was talking about, I feel like I've had this, my own therapeutic journey of landing with someone that was very unhelpful, going to someone that I thought was more helpful. And then coming out of that and doing some somatic work and different kind of therapeutic tools, but all in the effort for me at least...
Season 6, Episode 14: Jenny and Danielle talk about Mutual Aid
Donations Resources (feminine hygiene products, and diapers, etc.)
https://my.liberaforms.org/solidarity-kitchen-2
Cash Pledges (100 percent goes to families)
https://my.liberaforms.org/solidarity-kitchen-3
Here is our plan: December 2, 2025 (Tuesday), 2:30 p.m. - 7 p.m., North Point Church
Serve up to 400 to go meals for students, parents and/or family members in our school district who have experienced the government shut down, food insecurity, or just plain tight times, with inflation and the job market.
We will cook and pack to-go containers of meals, and be ready...
Season 6, Episode 13: Jenny McGrath and Danielle Castillejo on Abstinence, Purity Culture and Epstein
Bio: Jenny - Co-Host Podcast (er):
I am Jenny! (She/Her) MACP, LMHC
I am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor, Somatic ExperiencingÂŽ Practitioner, Certified Yoga Teacher, and an Approved Supervisor in the state of Washington.
I have spent over a decade researching the ways in which the body can heal from trauma through movement and connection. I have come to see that our bodies know what they need. By approaching our body with curiosity we can begin to listen to the innate wisdom our body has to teach us. And that is where t...
Season 6, Episode 12: Jenny McGrath and Organizer Mary Lovell Reality and Organizing in this moment
Mary Lovell is a queer grassroots organizer, visual artist, and activist who has been fighting oil and gas infrastructure and for social justice for their adult life - living up in the Kitsap Penninsula they are working on their first book and love working with people to build power in their communities
Welcome to the Arise podcast. This is episode 12, conversations on Reality. And today we're touching on organizing and what does it mean to organize? How do we organize? And we talk to a seasoned organizer, Mary Lavelle. And so Mary is a queer, grassroots organizer...
Season 6, Episode 11: Jenny McGrath, Renee Begay, and Rebecca W. Walston on Resilience and Die De Los Metros
Guest Bio: Renee Kylestewa Begay is from the Pueblo of Zuni in Southwest New Mexico. She is a mother to three daughters and married to high school sweetheart Donnie Begay. During her undergrad, she founded the Nations movementâa national ministry...
Good morning. It's October 30th, 2025. Can you believe it? So I'm releasing these videos. Today's videos on resilience. Four distinct cultures coming at you. Jenny McGrath. Me, Danielle, my friend Renee Begay from New Mexico and Rebecca Wheeler, Walston. Tune in, listen to the distinctly different places we're coming from and how we're each thinking about re...
Season 6, Episode 10: Jenny McGrath and Sandra Van Opstal of Chasing Justice talk about Chicago and Resilience
BIO: Sandra Van Opstal
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND CO-FOUNDER OF CHASING JUSTICE
Sandra Maria Van Opstal, a second-generation Latina, is Co-Founder and Executive Director of Chasing Justice, a movement led by people of color to mobilize a lifestyle of faith and justice . She is an international speaker, author, and activist, recognized for her courageous work in pursuing justice and disrupting oppressive systems within the church. As a global prophetic voice and an active community member on the west-side of Chicago, Sandraâs initiatives in holistic justice equip communities around the world to practice biblical solidarity and mu...
Season 6, Episode 9: Danielle S. Castillejo speak with Vanessa Ogaldez, LAMFT and Chicago and La Migra
Vanessa Ogaldez, LAMFT
SPECIALTIES:
Trauma
Couples Communication
Identity/Self Acceptance
https://www.dcctherapy.com/vanessa-ogaldez-lamft
From Her website:
Maybe you have said something like, âWhat else can I do?â and it is possible you feel stuck or heartbroken because you canât seem to connect with your partner as you want or used to. Whether or not youâre in a relationship and you have experienced trauma, hurtful arguments, or life changes that have brought on disconnection in your relationships, there is a sense of loss and...
Season 6, Episode 8: Jenny Mcgrath, Rev. Dr. Starlette Thomas and Danielle Castillejo speak about Christian Nationalism, Race, and History
BIO:
The Reverend Dr. Starlette Thomas is a poet, practical theologian, and itinerant prophet for a coming undivided âkin-dom.â She is the director of The Raceless Gospel Initiative, named for her work and witness and an associate editor at Good Faith Media. Starlette regularly writes on the sociopolitical construct of race and its longstanding membership in the North American church. Her writings have been featured in Sojourners, Red Letter Christians, Free Black Thought, Word & Way, Plough, Baptist News Global and Nurturing Faith Journal among others. She is a frequent guest on podcasts and has her own. The Race...
Season 6, Episode 7: Jenny Mcgrath and Rebecca Walston speak about Reality and Resilience in this moment
Bio: Jenny - Co-Host Podcast (er):
I am Jenny! (She/Her) MACP, LMHC
I am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor, Somatic ExperiencingÂŽ Practitioner, Certified Yoga Teacher, and an Approved Supervisor in the state of Washington.
I have spent over a decade researching the ways in which the body can heal from trauma through movement and connection. I have come to see that our bodies know what they need. By approaching our body with curiosity we can begin to listen to the innate wisdom our body has to teach us. And that is where t...
Season 6, Episode 6: Community Advocate Sarah Van Gelder speaks about Reality and Politics
Danielle (00:20):
Welcome to the Arise podcast, conversations about reality and talking a lot about what that means in the context of church, faith, race, justice, religion, all the things. Today, I'm so honored to have Sarah Van Gelder, a community leader, an example of working and continuing to work on building solidarity and networks and communication skills and settling into her lane. I hope you enjoy this conversation. Hey, Sarah, it's so good to be with you. And these are just casual conversations, and I do actual minimal editing, but they do get a pretty good reach...
Season 6, Episode 5: Jenny Mcgrath on Reality and Therapy - How do we get through this?
Bio: Jenny - Co-Host Podcast (er):
I am Jenny! (She/Her) MACP, LMHC
I am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor, Somatic ExperiencingÂŽ Practitioner, Certified Yoga Teacher, and an Approved Supervisor in the state of Washington.
I have spent over a decade researching the ways in which the body can heal from trauma through movement and connection. I have come to see that our bodies know what they need. By approaching our body with curiosity we can begin to listen to the innate wisdom our body has to teach us. And that is where t...
Season 6, Episode 4: Reality and Faith with Dr. Phil Allen Jr. Part 2 - Knowing your roots
Bio
Phil Allen, Jr., PhD is a theologian and ethicist whose research and writings include the intersections of social structure, race, culture, and theology and ethics of justice. He has authored two books: Open Wounds: A Story of Racial Tragedy, Trauma, and Redemption and The Prophetic Lens: The Camera and Black Moral Agency From MLK to Darnella Frazier. He is an affiliate assistant professor at Fuller Theological Seminary, a poet, and documentary filmmaker. Dr. Allen is also founder of the nonprofit Racial Solidarity Project based in Pasadena, CA. As a former Division 1 college basketball player, he has...
Season 6, Episode 3: Reality and Story Work with Rebecca W. Walston
Rebecca A. Wheeler Walston, J.D., Master of Arts in Counseling
Email: [email protected]
Phone: +1.5104686137
Website: Rebuildingmyfoundation.com
I have been doing story work for nearly a decade. I earned a Master of Arts in Counseling from Reformed Theological Seminary and trained in story work at The Allender Center at The Seattle School of Theology and Psychology. I have served as a story facilitator and trainer at both The Allender Center and the Art of Living Counseling Center. I currently see clients for one-on-one story coaching and work as a...
Season 6, Episode 2: Reality and Faith with Rev. Starlette Thomas and Dr. Tamice Spencer Helms
Reality and Faith Prompts
1. What are the formations or structures for how you know you are in reality in regards to your faith? Do you have indicators? Internal senses? External resources?
2. Who are you in active dialogue with in regards to your faith? Who that is living and who that is passed on?
3. When you encounter dissonance with your reality of faith, how do you stay grounded in your experience?
Transcripts
Danielle (00:00):
To my computer. So thank you Starlet. Thank you Tamis for being with me. I've...
Season 6: Episode 1: Re-Introducing - Reality? Faith, Race, Gender, and Current Events
The Arise Podcast â Edited Transcript
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Welcome to the Rise Podcast. As part of this process, we're going to talk about what reality isâhow to find it, and how to ground yourself in it. Iâll have some regular co-hosts with me, as I mentioned earlier, and weâll continue to explore faith, gender, race, sex, the churchâall in the context of discovering reality.
Today is September 10, 2025. As I pushed to get this episode out, plans shifted and things got canceled. I was busy with the kids, checking the news, scrolling Instagram...
Season 5, Episode 6: Spiritual Abuse, Christianity and the Election with Guest Host
Spiritual Abuse, Christianity and the Election with Guest Host
Christian Nationalism and Spiritual Abuse: A 90 minute workshop with Jenny McGrath (click here to register)
w/Danielle S. Castillejo and Jenny McGrath
Are you confused about what is going on in the US? Do you feel triggered about past spiritual abuse when you see certain elected officials and faith leaders using harmful rhetoric? Are you wanting understanding and tools to navigate this present moment? You are not alone!
Danielle Castillejo and I have been researching the various tributaries of white supremacy via...