The Modern CPA Success Show
Are you the owner of an accounting firm? Do you want to make your firm more profitable? Are you interested in providing Virtual CFO services to clients?Dedicated to perfecting Virtual CFO Services since our inception in 2002, Summit CPA Group, now Summit Virtual CFO Services by Anders, serves as Virtual CFOs for over 100 clients throughout North America. While most accounting firms focus on the past, our Virtual CFO team focuses on the future. This podcast seeks to help accounting firm owners like you learn how to provide successful Virtual CFO Services and become profitable. Tune in bi-weekly as our hosts...
No Timesheets, Fixed Fees, and a Concierge CPA Model with Jason Ackerman
Most CPA firms still run their billing off a timesheet nobody trusts. Jason Ackerman's firm hasn't tracked one since 2013.
In this episode, Tom Wadelton and Adam Hale sit down with Jason Ackerman, Co-Managing Partner at BNA CPA Advisors and Co-Founder & CFO of WealthRabbit. Jason shares how BNA moved to fully fixed-price billing, uses a simple three-tier cleanup pricing model, and measures profitability per employee without timesheets. They also discuss balancing recurring Virtual CFO work with project-based services like M&A, key growth inflection points at 15, 35, and 50 employees, and how BNA keeps onboarding seamless for...
Why Smaller CPA Firms Have the AI Advantage with Joey Kinney and Adam Hale
Most accounting firm owners assume the big, PE-backed players have an unbeatable head start on AI.Â
In this state-of-the-industry conversation, Joey Kinney, Virtual CFO at Anders, pinch-hits for Tom Wadelton and sits down with Adam Hale, Partner at Anders, for an unscripted look at where AI is actually changing accounting advisory work right now. Fresh off a live Basis AI conference with the top 100 firms in the room, Adam explains why smaller, faster-moving firms may have more room to close the gap than anyone expects. From there, the conversation covers what happens when clients s...
How to Build a CPA Firm That Attracts Buyers with Brannon Poe
Most CPA firm owners know their revenue. Far fewer know how a buyer would value the business behind it.
Brannon Poe, founder of Poe Group Advisors, joins Tom Wadelton and Adam Hale to break down the factors that make an accounting practice more attractive to buyers. After working on hundreds of CPA firm sales and acquisitions, Brannon has seen which operational decisions strengthen value and which ones create risk during a transition. He explains why profitability and owner dependency are the two metrics firm owners should watch most closely. He also shares why virtual...
How AI Is Forcing Accounting Firms to Rethink Pricing with Shawn Yeager
AI is changing more than the speed of accounting work. It is changing what firms can sell and how clients measure value.
Shawn Yeager, founder of Upshift, joins Tom Wadelton and Adam Hale to discuss how AI is reshaping pricing and service design across professional services. After three decades commercializing emerging technology, including work on Microsoftâs first browser team, Shawn now helps firms turn AI from an internal efficiency project into a commercial strategy.
Shawn explains why the billable hour as a unit of value is changing, how firms ca...
Advisory Skills for CPAs: Moving from Bookkeeping to CFO Services with Hannah Hood
Most accounting firms have the talent to deliver real CFO-level advisory work. They just have not built the path to get there.Â
In this episode, Tom Wadelton sits down with Hannah Hood, VCFO Principal at Anders, to talk about what it actually takes to grow accounting talent from senior accountant to trusted CFO. Hannah has lived the full journey from bookkeeper to controller in industry, to VCFO Principal at one of the fastest-growing advisory practices in the country.Â
Youâll hear how Hannah made the mindset shift from doing the work...
Future-Proof Your Business Before AI Wins with Tom Wadelton and Adam Hale
The accounting profession is opening up. The firm owners who see that clearly right now are the ones who will come out ahead.Â
Tom Wadelton and Adam Hale share key takeaways from the LEA (Leading Edge Alliance) North American Regional Conference 2026, one of the top CPA firm conferences in the industry. They cover what the profession's biggest thinkers are saying about where accounting firms are headed. Tom and Adam discuss how large firms are quietly shifting their workforce offshore and upskilling those teams to handle higher-level advisory work.
Youâll hea...
How to Master Cash Flow With AI and Value Pricing with Mark Wickersham
AI is shrinking the time it takes to do accounting work and for firm owners still billing by the hour, it is quietly shrinking their revenue, too.Â
Mark Wickersham, mentor to over 400 accountants at Value Pricing Academy Ltd, tackles the two skills separating profitable accounting firms from overworked ones: value pricing and AI. Mark has spent 25 years teaching accountants how to stop trading hours for dollars. He has also spent the last few years showing nearly 600 accountants how to use AI to do more with less. Â
Mark explains the psychology of...
Stop Saying Yes: How CPAs Can Build the Firm They Deserve with Geraldine Carter
You built your CPA firm from the ground up. So why does it feel like it is running you instead of the other way around?Â
Geraldine Carter, Founder and Business Coach at Geraldine Carter LLC, talks about what it really takes for CPA and accounting firm owners to stop overworking, start charging what they are worth, and design a firm that fits the life they want. Geraldine has spent a decade coaching accountants out of the burnout trap and she brings the no-nonsense, practical framework to prove it.
What she s...
The Billing Revolution: AI, Time, and the Future of Accounting Firms with Blake Oliver
AI is already here. If you are still billing by the hour and running your team on timesheets, you are building on a foundation that is cracking fast.Â
Blake Oliver, Founder and CEO of Earmark and one of Accounting Todayâs top 100 most influential people, talks about the billing revolution happening right now in accounting. Blake breaks down why the billable hour is the root of inefficiency in accounting firms, how AI agents are replacing routine staff work, and what the future of fixed-fee and subscription billing looks like for small and mid-sized CPA fir...
Smarter Capacity Planning For Growing CPA Firms with Terrell Turner
Your CPA firm is growing but is your team growing with it?Â
Terrell Turner, co-founder of TLTurner Group, talks about how growing CPA firms can take control of their capacity. Terrell shares the exact framework his firm uses to measure workload, standardize processes, and know with confidence when to add more clients without overwhelming the team.
Terrell brings a manufacturing mindset to accounting, mapping out every step of the client service process and measuring how long each step takes. That discipline gave his 11-person firm clarity on capacity that most a...
People You Should Know: Ryan Lazanis
Still trying to grow your firm by working more hours? That approach has a ceiling.
Ryan Lazanis, CPA and founder of Future Firm, shares what he learned building and selling an online accounting firm from scratch, and why most firm owners stay stuck running a practice instead of a business. You will hear why clarity on what you actually want comes first, why your service packages need to sell a transformation instead of a task list, and how to price based on value without relying on timesheets.
Learn why the...
People You Should Know: Ron Baker
Still pricing by the hour? You are limiting your cash flow. Â
Ron Baker, founder of VeraSage Institute and co-founder of THRESHOLD, talks about why the billable hour fails business owners and what to do instead. Youâll hear why pricing is a core skill, why mindset blocks change, and why most firms stay stuck even when better models exist.Â
Learn how fixed pricing removes surprises and builds trust. Offering options increases revenue and strengthens decision-making. Youâll also see how AI is reducing billable work and forcing businesses to rethink how th...
Build Cash Flow Freedom Through Leadership with Scotty Scarano
If you want cash flow freedom, you cannot separate money from leadership. Your revenue, team performance, pricing power, and long-term stability all reflect how you lead. Scotty Scarano, Rapping Custodian at Accounting High, shares how he is reshaping how people view accounting, financial literacy, and career development. Â
Listen to how to Build Cash Flow Freedom Through Leadership.
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Preparing Your Business Finances for Whatâs Next with Daniel Hood
You canât afford to plan your finances based on how things used to work. Cash flow pressure, pricing changes, technology shifts, and new reporting demands are forcing business owners to think ahead instead of reacting late.
Daniel Hood, Editor in Chief of Accounting Today, on where business finance is heading and what small business owners should prepare for now. You learn how advisory services, value-based pricing, AI, staffing changes, and long-term financial planning affect your cash flow and decision-making. You hear why waiting is risky, why compliance alone is not enough, and how pr...
Stability Over Scale: A Smarter Way to Build a Business That Lasts with Chad Davis
Running a business is more than putting out fires and checking boxes. Thinking like an owner changes how you make decisions and lead your team.
Chad Davis, co-founder at LiveCA LLP & AutomationTown.io, joins the conversation to explore what it truly means to behave like a business owner. You'll hear real talk on financial ownership, setting priorities, letting go of control, and why emotional detachment can lead to better decisions. Chad breaks down how to step into a leadership mindset, even when the day-to-day feels overwhelming. Chad also explains why stepping back emotionally helps...
People You Should Know: Randy Crabtree
As a small business owner, you wear a lot of hats and itâs easy to feel like the pressure never stops.Â
Randy Crabtree, Co-Founder of Tri-Merit Specialty Tax Professionals, shares lessons that push you to rethink how you run your finances. He talks about passion, problem solving, and building systems that help you get better cash flow, and longâterm stability for your business. Youâll hear how he reshaped his career and his thinking helps business owners improve tax planning and adapt to the future of accounting. He goes straight into billable hours...
How to Behave Like a Business Owner with Chris Papin
Being the boss doesnât automatically make you a business owner. Running a business requires you to think differently, act strategically, and lead with clarity.
Chris Papin, CPA, Attorney & Business Advisor at Papin Speaks, talks about what it really means to behave like a business owner. From facing hard truths about failed marketing to balancing emotional attachment with accountability, Chris shares how small business owners can shift their mindset and take ownership at a higher level. He breaks down how to build processes, set priorities, make tough calls, and communicate with more intention. This is...
Recruiting for CPA Firms with Will Spengler
Bringing in the right people can transform your CPA firm. Hiring is a strategic move that drives your growth. If you're looking to make smarter hiring decisions, this episode is for you.
Will Spengler, founder of Frederick Fox, shares how his team finds strong controller and finance candidates in markets like Dallas, and what firms should do to stay competitive. Youâll get insights into how recruiting agencies work, what mistakes firms make when hiring, why public accounting backgrounds are still in high demand, and how remote work and compensation expectations are shifting the ta...
Mastering the Vital Core of Profit-Focused Accounting
If your numbers feel disconnected from your decisions, itâs time to change that. Profit-Focused Accounting helps you align operations so you can stop guessing and start leading with confidence.
Discover a clear roadmap to financial maturity with the five pillars of profit-focused accounting. Learn how to build cash flow that supports growth, know why accurate and timely reporting must come first, and how objective self-assessments, from Ad Hoc to Optimized give you and your advisor clarity on where you stand. Take the first step toward profit clarity. Watch the episode today! âśď¸ Mastering the Vital Core of Profit...
How AI-Powered Digits Provide Real-Time Finance Clarity for Small Businesses
You started your business to grow, not to get stuck in spreadsheets. Today, smart tools make it easier than ever to stay ahead.
In this episode of The Modern CPA Success Show, we sit down with Jeff Seibert, CEO and co-founder of Digits, to explore how AI is transforming small business finance. We cover how Digits uses machine learning to automate up to 93% of bookkeeping, how their proprietary ledger gives you deep real-time analytics, and how their dashboards and reporting tools make it easy to translate numbers into action.
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AI-first...SafeBooks AI: How AI is Shaping the Future of Small Business CFOs? With Ahikam Kaufman
In today's rapidly evolving financial landscape, small business CFOs are navigating complexities that demand more than spreadsheets and manual processes.
In this episode of The Modern CPA Success Show, Ahikam Kaufman, co-founder and CEO of SafeBooks AI, explains how AI is transforming financial operations, enhancing data integrity, and streamlining decision-making.Â
With over 20 years of experience in Fintech and corporate finance, Ahikam shares practical insights on using technology to elevate CFO strategies beyond traditional boundaries.
From automating transaction monitoring to strengthening financial data governance, Ahikam discusses real-world solutions that empower CFOs to focus on s...
Preparing Your Business for Sale
When the time comes to consider selling, itâs easy to feel buried in uncertainty and daily chaos. How do you prepare your business for sale?
In this episode, Tom Wadelton and Adam Hale from Summit Virtual CFO by Anders walk you through what it really takes to prepare your business for sale. They share straightforward insights into how to think beyond putting out daily fires and start making strategic moves that increase the value of your business.Â
Adam and Tom break down key valuation metrics like EBITDA, what buyers are...
How CPA.com Revolutionized CAS with Amy Bridges
Many firms find themselves delivering outsourced accounting but struggling to break into true advisory work.
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In this episode of The Modern CPA Success Show, Amy Bridges, Senior Manager of CAS Professional Services at CPA.com, shares how firms like yours can build a thriving CAS practice thatâs scalable, efficient, and impactful.
Amy's journey into the world of CAS is anything but ordinary. With a background in mathematics, software, and education, she brings a unique perspective to how firms can leverage technology and str...
2024 Year in Review
In our year end wrap up: Jody, Brett, Tom, Hannah, and Jamie share favorite moments from the show, podcasting resolutions and holiday gift wishes. the hosts reflect on personal anecdotes and provide their aspirations for the upcoming year. They also introduce a new behind-the-scenes team member.
"If we have the ability to make our clients feel like heroes, thatâs a complete home run. For me, that was very impactful and has changed the way we present things."Â â Tom Wadelton
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Personal anecdotes and reflections on podcasting experiences.Highlights of me...Why Did the Accountant Cross the Road? To Connect with Clients on a Deeper Level!
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Why Did the Accountant Cross the Road? To Connect with Clients on a Deeper Level!
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"My clients had and still have amazing reputations in what they do. Most of them don't need huge numbers of new clients; it's more about reputation management and keeping the marketing ticking over." -Chantal Cornelius
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In this episode of the Modern CPA Success Show, the host and Tom Walton, a virtual CFO at Anders CPA and Advisors, engage with Chantal Cornelius, founder of Appletree Marketing and author of "Stand Out Strategies."...
How Can Effective Cash Flow Management Transform Your Business?
"As an owner of a business, itâs really nice to have control, knowing whatâs coming in, whatâs going out, and how much cash I have." -Adam Hale
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In this episode of the Modern CPA Success Show, hosts Tom and Adam discuss their firm's cash flow management service. They highlight the critical role of cash flow in business health, distinguishing it from financial forecasting. Their service includes a 13-week cash flow forecast, regular cash flow meetings, and detailed tracking of accounts receivable and payable. Emphasis is placed on the importance of reconciling bank a...
Defining Service Packages: A Comprehensive Guide for Modern Accounting Firms
"If you want to understand your pricing, I need to know what your service packages are. If you want to understand how you're going to onboard a client, I need to know what your service package is." - Adam Hale
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â Importance of service packages for accounting firms, focusing on clarity in offerings, pricing, and alignment with target client segments to enhance relevance and value.
â Structuring service packages using a "small, medium, large" model to cater to different client needs, manage resources, and improve client onboarding and communication.
Spooktacular Showdown: A Halloween Movie Draft Special
In this special episode of The Modern CPA Success Show, four speakers with Halloween-themed personasâJamie Nightmare, Hannah Hexed Hood, Adam Haunted Hale, and Joey Killing Kennyâengage in a lively draft-style discussion about their favorite Halloween movies. Jamie, the enthusiastic host, sets the stage and outlines the draft rules. Hannah humorously admits her limited horror movie experience, while Adam and Joey share their deep knowledge and personal anecdotes. The conversation is filled with playful banter and passionate debates as they each select and defend their top horror film picks, creating an engaging and entertaining Halloween-themed episode.
How Client Accounting Services Are Redefining the Role of Accountants in Business Growth
"They swapped out âaccountingâ for âadvisoryâ in CAS, but I still believe itâs 'client accounting and advisory services.' At scale, especially with small businesses, itâs hard to separate the two. You need a foundational understanding of their accounting model to help architect it in a way that truly tells their story." â Adam Hale
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The shift from compliance work to advisory roles in accounting.Differences between traditional accounting firm structures and mature CAS practices.Importance of leveraging resources and delegating tasks within accounting firms.Financial metrics and profitabili...Unlocking Profitability: Embrace Advisory Services and Client-Centric Solutions with Simon Severino
âIf you're only working in the business, you're doing it wrong. Cut your activities in half. You have to free up time to think about the business, to work on the business.â â Simon Severino
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⢠Transition from traditional tax-based practices to advisory-oriented services in accounting.
⢠Challenges faced by accounting firms in defining and marketing their services.
⢠Importance of understanding client needs and delivering tailored solutions.
⢠Decoupling time from value in professional services to enhance profitability.
⢠Strategies for effectively packaging and pricing advisory services.
⢠The role of marketing in diffe...
Mastering Excel: Essential Skills and Strategies to Boost Efficiency with Jeff Lenning
âI love Excel. It's helped me save so much time over the years, and when I began thinking about Excel more like an employee that I can delegate stuff to, it helped me save an incredible amount of time.â â Jeff Lenning
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⢠Strategies for leveraging Excel to improve efficiency
⢠Continuous learning and development in Excel
⢠Common pitfalls and challenges in Excel usage
⢠Mindset shift from "if" to "how" in using Excel
⢠Role of AI in enhancing Excel skills
⢠Structure and offerings of Excel University
⢠Key Excel functions and...
Tips for Building a Firm Worth Growing: Ideal Clients and Strong Networks with Michael Clarke
âThe smartest people in the world know where their expertise ends and someone else's begins. We all need to understand that because if we're on the right team, everybody wins.â â Michael Clarke
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⢠Transitioning from individual-centric practices to sustainable business models in professional services.
⢠Importance of teamwork and collaboration among professionals serving the same clients.
⢠Common mistakes made by professional service providers in managing their firms.
⢠Strategies for building trust and effective communication with clients.
⢠The significance of understanding and targeting ideal clients for growth.
⢠The role of support st...
Navigating the Complexities of Financial Planning for Business Owners with Adam KoĂłs
âProcrastination is a huge problem, but the bigger problem is the lack of awareness of the need for owners to start planning now, whether you're selling in three years or 13 years.â â Adam KoĂłsÂ
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Summit Virtual CFO by Anders website:Â https://www.summitcpa.net/If you have quest...Redefining Financial Planning and Reporting for Small Businesses and Startups with Blagoja Hamamdjiev
âThe reason I started Modeliks is because it took me three weeks to create a proper financial model in Excel for every new client. With our predefined financial model template, you have that handed to you on a plate.â â Blagoja Hamamdjiev
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Strategies for Revolutionizing Client-Centered Financial Advisory with Tyson Ray
âThe total relationship is about making life better for the client, focusing on what they need in the next 6 to 12 months, and helping them prioritize their financial decisions.â âTyson Ray
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Summit Virtual CFO by And...The Partner Every Firm Needs: Simplifying Business Startup and Compliance with Nellie Akalp
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âOur mission is to educate, inspire, and support accountants, financial advisors, and CFOs who are representing a client with a need for any type of entity filings, entity setup, entity expansion, or payroll tax registration services.â â Nellie Akalp
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Navigating Work-Life Balance: A Candid Conversation on Stress in the Workplace with Joey Kinney
âIn the American workplace, 80% of workers feel stress on the job, and nearly half say they need help in learning how to manage stress. If your people are stressed and they're not talking to you about it, that's a clue that you need to change something in your organization.â â Joey Kinney
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âStress management in the workplace and at home
âChallenges of setting boundaries and prioritizing tasks in work-life balance
âImpact of stress on personal lives and managing competing interests
âRole of leaders in addressing recu...
How Can a Formalized Onboarding Process Transform Your Accounting Firm's Success?
âYour Spidey sense has to be high during onboarding. If you start to sense frustration from the client, there might be something else that you need to dig into. I might send them a quick note and say, âhey, do you mind if we talk tonight?â and I offer up my cell phone number. I've never had a client abuse it. In fact, as you start to build those relationships, they'll text you just like your friends; they don't talk business. It's really important that you establish that relationship and that connection.â â Adam Hale
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Strategies for Setting Boundaries and Managing Scope in Advisory Work with Chris Papin
âSpending time onboarding can be tough for firms because it's not billable, but it is probably more important for the value proposition.â â Chris Papin
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Summit Virtual CFO by Anders website:Â https://www.summitcpa.net/If you have questions or would like to be a guest...The Most Powerful Accounting Tool That Youâre Not Using with Jeff Bartsch
âThese aren't just numbers; numbers represent things that people care about, and when you start thinking about it that way, that's when you get clients who stay with you for life.â âJeff Bartsch
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