The Art of Growth

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By: Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman

The Art of Growth started by Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman works with teams to develop Team Health and individuals for self-mastery and social awareness. We are an IEA (International Enneagram Association) school for Enneagram Certification. With organizations, we have a detailed roadmap to change the culture of your team and improve communication, conflict, trust, and personality

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Enneagram at Work with Megan from A Field Middleburg
08/25/2026

In this episode of Enneagram at Work, Joel and Jim talk with Megan Burton, owner-partner of A Field Middleburg, about how understanding her Enneagram type and instinctual stack has shaped the way she leads and builds a business.

Megan shares how identifying as a Type 8 with a Hunter-Farmer-Teamer stack helped her better understand her intensity, need for autonomy, leadership style, and the kinds of people she needs around her as the company grows. The conversation also explores communication with employees, working alongside a Type One business partner, recognizing what is underneath our reactions at work, and building...


Enneagram at Work with Halie from Wellspring Counseling
08/18/2026

In this episode of Enneagram at Work, Joel and Jim talk with Halie Howells, owner of Wellspring Center for Counseling, about how the Enneagram has shaped her growth as both a therapist and a business leader. Halie leads a growing counseling practice with more than 30 therapists across multiple locations.

As an Enneagram 2, Halie shares the challenge of moving from being everyone's helper and cheerleader to actually taking up the role of boss—setting clear expectations, having difficult conversations, and learning that caring for people doesn't mean doing everything for them.

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Enneagram at Work- with Shawn Cook of Advocate Wealth Management
08/12/2026

In the first episode of our Enneagram at Work series, we talk with Shawn Cook of Advocate Wealth Management about how he uses the Enneagram with clients—including how understanding a client’s instinctual stack can help inform an investment strategy that fits the way they naturally approach security, resources, risk, and relationships.

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Shawn is the Owner and Wealth Advisor at Advocate Wealth Management, where he helps clients build comprehensive financial plans and investment portfolios.

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The Truth Has No Gurus
08/04/2026

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The Instincts- How we got here and where we're going.
07/07/2026

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Tricia, Pam, Katie- Coach Pod
06/30/2026

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Lila, Tamra, Barbara- Coach Pod
06/23/2026

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Laura, Chrissy, Hillary- Coach Pod
06/16/2026

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How Personality Forms
#3
06/09/2026

What if everything you believe about why you are the way you are is only half the story? In this episode, Joel and Jim take on the most common explanation people give for their own personality: I am this way because of what happened to me. It is not wrong, they argue. It is incomplete. Personality forms from a mix of what you were born with, the environment you interacted with, and what you keep building in response.

From there the conversation opens up into why so much growth work quietly fails, the difference between healing and...


Function, Overuse, and Integration of the Three Centers
#2
06/02/2026

Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman explore the Enneagram’s three centers of intelligence: Head, Heart, and Body. They discuss the function of each center, what happens when it is overused, what it costs us when it is missing, and what becomes possible through integration. Head thinks. Heart connects. Body acts.


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Rethinking the Enneagram from the Ground Up
#1
05/26/2026

In this episode, Jim and Joel return after a break to explain the deeper work happening behind the scenes at The Art of Growth. They revisit the foundations of the Enneagram, clarifying what they mean by “type” through three key components: core motivation, schema, and expression.

They also introduce a major shift in their current work: moving beyond the idea of nine types with separate instinctual subtypes and toward a more integrated model of 54 types, where each Enneagram type is inseparable from its instinctual stack. Along the way, they discuss why some older Enneagram descriptions no l...


Type 7 Panel- Relating to the Three Centers
#18
01/13/2026

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Type 6 Panel- Relating to the Three Centers
#17
01/12/2026

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Type 5 Panel- Relating to the Three Centers
#16
01/06/2026

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Type 4 Panel- Relating to the Three Centers
#15
01/05/2026

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Type 3 Panel- Relating to the Three Centers
#14
12/30/2025

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Type 2 Panel- Relating to the Three Centers
#13
12/29/2025

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Type 1 Panel- Relating to the Three Centers
#12
12/17/2025

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Type 9 Panel- Relating to the Three Centers
#11
12/16/2025

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Type 8 Panel- Relating to the Three Centers
#10
12/15/2025

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Type 7 Panel Live
#9
12/10/2025

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Type 6 Panel Live
#8
12/09/2025

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Type 5 Panel Live
#7
12/08/2025

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Type 4 Panel Live
#6
12/03/2025

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Type 3 Panel Live
#5
12/02/2025

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Type 2 Panel Live
#4
12/01/2025

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Type 1 Panel Live
#3
11/26/2025

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Type 9 Panel Live
#2
11/25/2025

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Type 8 Panel Live
#1
11/24/2025

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Ancient Wisdom and Modern Practices with Belinda Gore
#12
09/01/2025

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Join us as we explore the intersection of the Enneagram and ancient wisdom with Belinda. Discover how ancient practices and the Enneagram's insights into personality can guide us toward deeper self-awareness and connection with the natural world. Belinda shares her journey and practical rituals that help cultivate presence and balance in our lives. Tune in for a conversation that bridges modern understanding with timeless wisdom.

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Wisdom of Nature- With Ben Campbell
#11
08/18/2025

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IFS and the Enneagram with Guest Joan Ryan
#10
08/11/2025

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How You Became You
#9
07/21/2025

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From Attention to Agency
#8
06/30/2025

Jeff Cook is a professor of philosophy and co-host of the Around the Circle podcast. He lives in Greeley, Colorado, and is the author of three books, including Around the Circle | An Enneagram Book, available HERE. www.aroundthecircle.org

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Wisdom (and faux wisdom) in Therapy- with Michelle Pruett
#7
06/17/2025

In this episode of The Art of Growth, Joel Hubbard and Jim Zartman sit down once again with therapist Michelle Pruett to explore “faux wisdom” in the therapy world—those phrases, concepts, and quick fixes that sound good but miss the heart of true healing. Together, they unpack how readiness, resistance, and relational depth play vital roles in transformation. They also revisit the importance of calibrated support and challenge, the misuse of trauma language, and how timing matters more than advice.

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I am the Hero, the Victim, and the Villain
#6
06/10/2025

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Wisdom of Desire- with Jeff Cook
#5
06/03/2025

Jeff Cook is a professor of philosophy and co-host of the Around the Circle podcast. He lives in Greeley, Colorado, and is the author of three books, including Around the Circle | An Enneagram Book, available June 2025. www.aroundthecircle.org

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Wisdom of Doubting Your Bias with Tyler Zach (EnneaSummit)
#4
05/27/2025

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Tyler Zach is an author, Enneagram coach, and former pastor with 19 years of full-time ministry experience. He has written a 40-day devotional
 for every Enneagram type (20,000 copies sold) and cultivated a vibrant community of over 47,000 Enneagram enthusiasts on Instagram (@gosp...


Wisdom of the Three Centers
#3
05/19/2025

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