The Business Of Marketing
The Business of Marketing podcast discusses how to win in the current marketing landscape. Hosted by A. Lee Judge, Digital Marketing Consultant along with a Mastermind Group of professional marketers. Stay up to date and sharp on your marketing knowledge while learning from these experienced marketers.
Building a Brand on LinkedIn with Goldie Chan
LinkedIn Video: Building Influence and Personal Branding That Lasts
LinkedIn video is no longer an experiment, and it is not just for people who want to go viral. It is a business tool for building credibility, a personal brand, and direct influence over your professional audience. If you have not noticed the shift, it is time to reconsider how you think about LinkedIn video and its role in modern content strategy.
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0:00 - Early days of LinkedIn video & creator skepticism
1:01 - How to turn personal brand into business opportunities
1:31 - Holl...
The New Resume: Why Your Personal Brand Is Key to Success in Modern Business - with Rod Brinson
Explore the intersection of personal and professional branding in a rapidly evolving, AI-driven workforce with hosts A. Lee Judge and Rocio Osuna, alongside special guest Rod Brinson. This episode unpacks why everyone already has a personal brand, whether they realize it or not, and offers actionable strategies for building an authentic, visible, and resilient brand “by design, not by default.” The conversation demystifies how belief in yourself, authenticity, and making yourself distinguishable can unlock new opportunities, while addressing barriers like fear of self-promotion. Plus, the hosts discuss trends in AI adoption, its impact on workplace dynamics, and share career-boosting advi...
Authentic Storytelling in the Age of AI: Gabrielle Dolan on Making AI Your Creative Partner
The Business of Marketing hosts A. Lee Judge and Rocio Osuna discuss the delicate balance between using AI for efficiency and maintaining human authenticity in business storytelling. They are joined by global storytelling expert Gabrielle Dolan, author of Story Intelligence, who explains why personal and professional stories are more critical than ever in an era of "AI slop" and digital distrust. The conversation explores practical frameworks for extracting genuine stories from executives, the four types of stories every leader should master—Personal, Professional, Public, and Parables—and how to use AI as a creative partner without losing your unique voic...
Beyond the Resume: Grit and Visibility in a Saturated Market
In this Season 5 kickoff of The Business of Marketing, host A. Lee Judge introduces new co-host Rosio Assuna. The episode explores the current "wild" job market, characterized by significant layoffs at major companies like Amazon, Meta, and Tesla. The hosts discuss the challenges of a saturated "seller's market," the impact of AI on hiring, and the importance of maintaining a professional personal brand on LinkedIn even when facing frustrations like "ghosting" by employers.
Building a Unified B2B Revenue Team with Andrei Zinkevich
Marketing is facing a crisis of credibility and alignment, as legacy systems and outdated KPIs have led to internal silos and a disconnect from revenue goals. In this episode, Andrei Zinkevich of FullFunnel.io and A. Lee Judge, Sales and Marketing Consultant, explore how marketing and sales leaders can rebuild trust, align around shared metrics, and adopt a unified revenue team approach to drive meaningful business outcomes.Â
Misalignment within marketing and between marketing and salesImportance of shared KPIs and revenue team structuresChallenges and solutions in marketing attributionUsing AI effectively in enterprise sales and marketingStrategies for CMOs to survive an...Why Speed and Scale Are Killing Your Marketing with Robert Rose
The episode explores how marketers can shift their mindset from focusing on content containers to prioritizing storytelling and strategic content creation. Lee Judge and Robert Rose discuss the evolving role of content marketing in the age of AI, the pitfalls of over-measuring, and the importance of valuable friction in marketing processes.Â
Shifting from container-first to story-first content creationThe myth and misuse of marketing measurementAI's impact on content marketing and the resurgence of human-created contentChallenges CMOs face with attribution and proving valueValuable friction and the importance of slowing down to improve content qualityTimecodes
00:00 - Get Out o...
How AI is Reshaping Your SEO Strategy with Andy Crestodina
The episode explores how AI is reshaping SEO and content strategy, emphasizing the need for marketers to adapt their websites and messaging to train AI effectively. Lee Judge and Andy Crestodina discuss how AI-powered search changes user behavior, the importance of co-occurrence and proximity of keywords, and how brands can optimize their content to influence AI-generated results.Â
Training AI through strategic website copy and keyword proximityShifts in SEO due to AI-powered search and user behaviorOptimizing key website pages for AI discoverability and decision-makingThe role of content formats like video and audio in brand visibilityBalancing content quantity and quality i...From ChatGPT to Local AI: Practical Tips for Marketers with Christopher Penn
With AI rapidly evolving, marketers face both new opportunities and pressing concerns about data privacy, search optimization, and content creation. Christopher Penn breaks down the rise of local AI models, their implications for privacy and data control, and how generative AI will reshape marketing strategies. The conversation offers actionable advice on making content accessible to AI, the continued importance of strong SEO, and creative techniques for maximizing the impact of AI-generated content.
"Red Flags" for B2B Podcasters - Podcast Company Owners Tell All (with Katie Brinkley)
This episode explores the strategic value of podcasting for businesses and personal brands, offering expert insights on how to launch, structure, and promote a podcast effectively. Lee Judge and Katie Brinkley discuss common misconceptions, content repurposing, and the importance of aligning podcast goals with broader marketing strategies.Â
Determining the purpose and format of a podcastCommon mistakes and red flags when starting a podcastStrategies for promoting and repurposing podcast contentUsing AI and multilingual tools to expand podcast reachMeasuring podcast success and securing sponsorshipsTime Stamps
0:00 - Introduction of podcast production company experts
5:04 - Podcasting for Businesses: C...
Why Marketers Must Master Visual Design to Drive Business Results with Jim MacLeod
The episode explores the intersection of design and marketing, emphasizing the importance of visual communication that drives business outcomes rather than just aesthetic appeal. A. Lee Judge and guest Jim MacLeod, author of The Visual Marketer, discuss how marketers can leverage design principles and professional tools to create visuals that are both effective and aligned with business goals.Â
The role of design in driving marketing outcomesDifferences between art and design in business contextsPsychology and science behind effective visual communicationChoosing between professional and consumer-grade design toolsHow AI is reshaping design roles and responsibilitiesTime Stamps
00:40 - Introduction t...
Winning LinkedIn Strategies for B2B Professionals with Neal Schaffer
The episode explores how B2B professionals can strategically use LinkedIn to build authentic engagement, optimize their profiles, and leverage AI to enhance content creation and visibility. Lee Judge and guest Neal Schaffer dive into the nuances of LinkedIn's evolving features, including newsletters, carousels, and video, while emphasizing the importance of intentionality and audience alignment in content strategy.Â
Optimizing LinkedIn profiles for alignment with current goals and audienceUsing AI effectively for content creation and profile enhancementBest practices for LinkedIn newsletters and content formatsUnderstanding engagement trends and algorithmic behaviorGrowth hacking and ethical considerations in LinkedIn outreachTime Stamps
How to Build a Revenue Machine by Aligning Sales and Marketing with Bruce Scheer
The episode explores how aligning sales, marketing, and product teams through a unified go-to-market narrative can drive better revenue outcomes and improve the customer experience. A. Lee Judge and Bruce Scheer discuss the importance of storytelling, internal alignment, and reducing friction in the buying journey to close more deals and retain customers.Â
Defining and aligning around a go-to-market strategyThe power of a unified sales and marketing narrativeChallenges in measuring marketing and sales effectivenessThe importance of buyer experience and reducing frictionBeing audacious and innovative in marketing leadershipTime StampsÂ
01:15 - Evolution of the podcast and guest introductionÂ
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The Secrets to Smarter Marketing and Real Revenue Growth with Todd Ervin
Data is the foundation of effective AI implementation in marketing. Lee Judge and Todd Ervin explore how clean, structured data enables AI to drive segmentation, buyer journey mapping, and campaign optimization. They also discuss the importance of building brand awareness, aligning marketing with revenue goals, and using AI to enhance research and content creation.Â
The critical role of clean data in powering AI for marketingBuilding brand awareness to drive top-of-funnel growthCreating dashboards and aligning metrics with revenue goalsUnderstanding attribution models and sales cyclesUsing AI to accelerate research and content developmentTime Stamps
00:00 - The Power of D...
Rethinking Attribution and Alignment in B2B with Mary Keough
The episode explores the evolving role of marketing in B2B organizations, emphasizing the need for marketers to take ownership of strategy, customer understanding, and collaboration with sales. Lee Judge and guest Mary Keough discuss the importance of customer-centric content, the limitations of attribution in modern marketing, and how marketers can adapt to AI and shifting buyer behaviors.Â
Differences in marketing strategies across industries and personasThe evolving role of AI and the importance of foundational marketing skillsChallenges with attribution and the rise of dark socialEffective sales and marketing alignment and communicationClarifying and redefining account-based marketing (ABM)Time S...
Why SEO Traffic Is Going Down and Revenue Is Going Up with Dale Bertrand
The episode explores how AI is reshaping the landscape of SEO and digital marketing, urging marketers to shift from traditional keyword strategies to relevance and intent-based content creation. A. Lee Judge and Dale Bertrand discuss the importance of building content that resonates with human audiences while adapting to AI-driven search environments, emphasizing the need for marketers to align their efforts with business outcomes rather than vanity metrics.Â
Transition from traditional SEO to future-focused, AI-driven strategiesImportance of relevance and intent in content creationChallenges of aligning marketing metrics with business goalsBuilding brand visibility in AI conversations and search everywhere optimizationEducating l...Why Marketing Fails Without Sales Alignment and a Revenue First Mindset with Jennifer Jurgens
Jennifer Jurgens, CEO of 1BoldStep, shares how to reframe marketing as a core revenue function by focusing on measurable outcomes, fixing funnel bottlenecks, and driving customer retention.
From aligning with sales to applying Lean principles across the revenue cycle, Jennifer explains what it really takes to prove marketing’s value and earn a permanent seat at the table.
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Why the marketing-to-sales handoff is where growth stallsThe bowtie funnel: A smarter model for modern B2BHow to prioritize content by identifying the biggest revenue gapsWhy marketers must stop chasing leads and start solving sa...How to Build a Scalable Content Engine That Boosts Visibility and Saves Budget
In this special internal episode, A. Lee Judge and Marc Raco from Content Monsta unpack how companies can build content engines that deliver consistent visibility, authority, and demand—without burning out their teams.
They reveal why framing matters when selling marketing initiatives internally, how to build a content engine from expert conversations, resulting in multiple formats and a steady cadence of content creation.
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The difference between a content engine and a visibility engineWhy “raw material” is your most valuable marketing assetGet budget! How to frame marketing projects around benefi...Why Every Modern Marketer Needs to Master Prompting and Embrace AI for Growth with Pam Didner
Pam Didner, B2B marketing expert and author of The Modern AI Marketer, joins A. Lee Judge to break down why prompting, automation, and AI-driven workflows are now critical for marketers.
She shares practical frameworks for individuals, teams, and enterprises - and explains why focusing on workflows (not tools) is the key to staying competitive.
If you want real-world strategies to future-proof your marketing career in an AI-first world, this conversation is essential.
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Why prompting is now a core skill for marketers (not just a tech thing)How to automate...Audacious Marketing to Stand Out in an AI World with Mark Schaefer
Best-selling author Mark Schaefer shares how marketers can thrive in AI by leaning into what machines can’t replicate: creativity, community, and courage.
Drawing from his latest book Audacious, Mark breaks down how to create standout content, build trust through word-of-mouth, and foster shared experiences that make your brand unforgettable.Â
Grab a copy of Audacious by Mark Schaefer here: https://amzn.to/44zPOpO
It’s about finding your edge as a human.
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Why “competence” is the most dangerous place to beThe 3 ways to disrupt your marketing story (without a huge bu...Unlocking CMO Success and Strategies with Drew Neisser
Drew Neisser, author of Renegade Marketing and founder of CMO Huddles, shares what he’s learned from interviewing hundreds of top CMOs. He reveals how the best marketers earn trust in the C-suite, build real influence, and prove marketing’s value through smart business alignment.
From building pricing power to reshaping internal messaging, Drew explains how today’s marketing leaders can do more than drive leads—they can shape strategy, revenue, and long-term brand value.
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Using Behavioral Science in Marketing to Influence Customers with Nancy Harhut
Nancy Harhut, author of Using Behavioral Science in Marketing, breaks down the psychology behind consumer decision-making and how marketers can apply these insights to drive action. She reveals how small, science-backed tweaks in messaging, design, and pricing can dramatically increase conversions.
From the power of social proof to the influence of scarcity and authority, Nancy shares how behavioral science can make your marketing more persuasive, effective, and profitable.
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How behavioral science influences consumer decision-makingWhy people follow the “magnetic middle” in pricing psychologyThe power of scarcity, urgency, and exclusivity in marketingHow social proo...Content Monetization and the Future of Marketing with Joe Pulizzi
Joe Pulizzi, the "Godfather of Content Marketing," shares how businesses and creators can build sustainable, revenue-generating content brands.
From monetization strategies and employee-driven content to the impact of AI on content creation, Joe unpacks what’s working today—and what’s next for content entrepreneurs.
He also explores why most companies underutilize their employees as brand advocates, how to diversify revenue streams, and the biggest missed opportunities in content marketing right now.
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Why content creators need multiple revenue streams to succeedHow AI is changing content creation and marketing strategyWhy brands should...AI First Marketing How AI Blockchain and Web3 Are Reshaping the Future with Sandy Carter
Sandy Carter, COO of Unstoppable Domains and a leader in AI, blockchain, and next-gen marketing, breaks down how emerging technologies are reshaping the way businesses connect with customers.
From the impact of AI on SEO and content marketing to the growing role of blockchain in trust and privacy, Sandy shares insights from the World Economic Forum and beyond.
She also dives into AI-powered agents, the evolution of marketing automation, and why marketers need to adapt quickly to stay ahead in a rapidly changing landscape.
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How AI is changing SEO and...Balancing Brand and Demand in B2B Marketing with Aaron Hassen
B2B buyers are changing, and trust in brands is at an all-time low. Aaron Hassen, co-founder of AH Marketing, breaks down why traditional marketing strategies are failing and what businesses must do to stay relevant.
From building bold brands to navigating the shift toward informal, trust-driven engagement, Aaron shares insights on what it takes to capture attention and create demand.
He explores why businesses struggle to balance brand and demand generation, how executives consume content more like everyday consumers, and why human-centric marketing is the key to winning trust.
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...Marcus Sheridan on Building Trust Through Content
Marcus Sheridan, author of They Ask, You Answer, breaks down the evolution of content marketing and why trust is the ultimate competitive advantage.
From turning his struggling pool company into the most trafficked swimming pool website in the world to helping businesses become industry leaders, Marcus reveals the strategies that drive real business growth. He explains why traditional sales tactics are failing, how buyer behavior has changed, and what companies must do to stay ahead.
He also shares the four pillars of a trusted brand, why transparency—especially around pricing—generates the most leads, and how...
LinkedIn Ads Mastery: Targeting, Costs, and Strategy with AJ Wilcox
AJ Wilcox, founder of B2Linked, breaks down the complexities of LinkedIn advertising and shares expert insights on making the platform work for your business.Â
As one of the world’s top LinkedIn Ads specialists, AJ shares solutions to the challenges of high costs, targeting the right audience, and structuring campaigns for maximum ROI. From understanding LinkedIn’s unique ad ecosystem to building multi-stage funnels that nurture leads effectively, this episode is packed with actionable strategies for marketers looking to leverage LinkedIn Ads without breaking the bank.Â
AJ also shares his journey from SEO to paid m...
Marketing's Future in the face of AI and Innovation with Wil Reynolds
Wil Reynolds, founder of SEER Interactive, gets real on the rapidly evolving landscape of digital marketing.Â
Wil shares his unique perspective on navigating the AI revolution, the importance of continuous learning, and why marketers need to adapt quickly to survive. From practical advice on mastering LLMs (Large Language Models) to building authentic influence through valuable content, this episode delivers actionable insights for marketing professionals at all levels.
Wil also shares the inspiring story behind SEER Interactive's founding and his commitment to community impact, demonstrating how business success and social responsibility can coexist, along with other v...
Zero-Click Marketing with Rand Fishkin
Rand Fishkin, founder of SparkToro and former co-founder of Moz, takes us through the evolution of digital marketing.Â
From the concept of "zero-click marketing" to why traditional traffic-focused metrics are becoming less relevant in today's digital landscape, the conversation explores how major platforms are keeping users within their ecosystems, making it harder to drive external traffic, and why marketers need to adapt their strategies accordingly.Â
Fishkin also discusses SparkToro's approach to audience research and provides insights on measuring marketing success in an era where direct attribution is increasingly challenging.Â
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The shi...Effective Podcast Formats for Brands and Individuals with Bernie Borges
In this episode, Bernie Borges and A. Lee Judge explore leveraging a podcast for B2B business development, covering practical podcasting formats, recruiting the right guests, effective interviewing, editing, and promotion.
Bernie gives additional insight into his role as the Vice President of Global Content Marketing for iQor, his podcast host roles for iQor's Digital Irresistible podcast, and his podcast titled Midlife Fulfilled.
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Tips to improve podcast reach and audience engagementBenefits of networking with other podcastersEditing techniques for podcast spacingPodcast formats and effective interviewing techniquesPlatforms for advertising podcasts and turning guests into...Public Relations vs Digital Marketing with Gini Dietrich
In this episode, Gini Dietrich and A. Lee Judge dive into both Marketing and PR to discuss the intersections of the two and if they are perhaps growing into the same thing in the modern digital world.
Gini gives additional insight into marketing, public relations, digital media, and the PESO model.
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PR vs Marketing - Is there a difference in a digital landscape?Proving PR and Marketing efforts in the bottom lineVideo and Podcasting - Strong digital comms tools for businessesHow digital media has changed PRThe PESO Model to fuel brand reputation<...Developing a Growth Marketing Strategy with Darrell Evans
In this episode, Darrell Evans and A. Lee Judge discuss all things marketing from revenue growth to working with agencies.
Darrell gives additional insight into marketing, sales, and business strategies.
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The concept of “full-service” marketing agenciesGrowth Marketing as a service nicheInteresting Marketing StrategiesSmall businesses becoming more digital and automatedLocal marketing and its difference from corporate/global marketingA. Lee Judge is the host of The Business of Marketing podcast.
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Video Platforms, Content Strategy, and Acting Like a Media Company with Jennifer Griffin Smith of Brightcove
In this episode, Brightcove CMOÂ Jennifer Griffin Smith and A. Lee Judge discuss video format and platforms to use for content marketing.
Jennifer gives additional insight into two marketers' sayings, "Content is King" and "Every company should act like a media company", Jennifer's role and expertise as the CMO of Brightcove - one of the world's leading video platforms, levels of enterprise video platforms, and remote production.
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Levels of Enterprise Video PlatformsWhen to advance to the next levelEvery company a media company: Success examplesPolished vs Quick but Effective is there a place f...Website Updates - What Matters Most in Design and Development with Andy Crestodina
In this episode, Andy Crestodina and A. Lee Judge discuss the relationship between content marketing and web development.
Andy gives additional insight into web design vs web development, how to properly optimize a website, content marketing, and how educating his audience has translated into business value.
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How has your generosity in educating your audience translated into business value?From a content marketing and web development standpoint - what do you say when you see a website, that is still more “brochure” than “content”?Can you talk to us for a moment about the diff...Web3, Google Analytics 4 and More with Brian Piper
In this episode, Brian Piper and A. Lee Judge discuss Web3, optimizing digital content, and more.
Brian gives additional insight into web analytics such as Google Analytics 4 and cookieless web, and the next industry-changing technology.
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Web analytics (SEO, GA4, Cookieless web)Updating existing content (what are key points to hit, what not to touch)Web3Epic Content Marketing book and what to expectÂA. Lee Judge is the host of The Business of Marketing podcast.
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Using Customer Data To Guide Go-To-Market and Content Strategy with Chris Wallace
In this episode, Chris Wallace and A. Lee Judge discuss the parallels (and even co-dependency) between marketing and customer experience.
Chris gives additional insight into branding, sales, marketing, and corporate leadership.
Chris also shares how companies can better align the strategies of the board room with the daily execution at the front lines.
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Can you give us your definition of the front line and how it relates to the customer experience and marketing?When a company is able to glean data from customer interactions, how can marketers use this data...International Marketing From an African Perspective with Mark Kaigwa
In this episode, Mark Kaigwa and A. Lee Judge discuss the nuances between digital marketing in Africa compared to a global perspective.
Mark gives additional insight into the advantages and disadvantages of digital marketing in Sub-Saharan African mobile marketing trends, social media, storytelling, content marketing, social networks, and research.
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On the Nendo website, it says that “Nendo started from a desire to see a gap fulfilled - Insights published about Africans by Africans in Africa.” Tell me more about that.Comparing to a global perspective, what are the nuances that make marketing in K...Pros of Niche Marketing and Communicating Clearly to Your Audience with Ahava Leibtag
In this episode, Ahava Leibtag and A. Lee Judge discuss the importance of niche marketing and creating content that communicates to your audience clearly.
Ahava gives additional insight into the advantages and disadvantages of hiring a specialized marketing agency, content strategy, content marketing, digital communications, and podcasting.
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What is the story behind your choice to focus on a particular industry?From the standpoint of a marketer looking to hire an agency for content marketing, what are some of the advantages and disadvantages of hiring a specialized marketing agency?When an organization needs...Video and Podcasts: Capturing Your Internal Experts As Content with Zontee Hou
In this episode Zontee Hou and A. Lee Judge discuss B2B marketing and how businesses are figuring out how to implement B2B video into their marketing strategy.
Zontee also gives additional insight into B2B marketing through her years of experience as the founder of Brooklyn-based digital marketing agency Media Volery, head of strategy for Jay Baer's Convince & Convert, and a professor in the graduate programs at Columbia University and the City College of New York.
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How To Build Momentum in Life, Marketing, and Business with Mark Schaefer
In this episode Mark Schaefer and A. Lee Judge revisit the idea of personal brand in 2022 and how businesses are figuring out how to harness personal brands.Â
There is an opportunity at a corporate level to benefit from personal brands. How does a company establish a personal and human voice?
Mark also gives additional insight from his recent book Cumulative Advantage a book on how to build momentum for your ideas, business, and life.Â
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Sangram Vajre - The Evolution of ABM and Facilitating Go-To-Market
In this episode, Sangram Vajre and A. Lee Judge discuss the importance of B2B marketing.
Sangram Vajre and Lee chat about sales and marketing alignment, Sangram's MOVE framework, and how organizations should facilitate their Go-To-Market strategy. Plus other insights into the realm of the Business of Marketing.
Sangram Vajre shares his expertise on B2B Marketing, Startup Culture, Marketing Technology, and Sales & Marketing Alignment.
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What are the forces supporting the crusade to align Sales and Marketing?What would you say are some of the biggest forces working against Sales...