The Missions Show

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By: Alex Kocman and Scott Dunford

The Missions Show answers hard questions about theology, missions, and practice to help goers think and thinkers go. We are conservative, evangelical, and gospel-centered. The Missions Show is powered by ABWE International, a missions agency with a force of more than 1,000 workers serving across 90+ countries with a focus on evangelism, discipleship, and church planting.

How Christ Transformed a Former Iranian Revolution Leader With Dr. Shayesteh
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In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott sit down with Dr. Daniel Shayesteh. Dr. Shayesteh shares his powerful journey from a radical Muslim involved in the Iranian Revolution to a follower of Christ. Raised in a devout Islamic context that viewed Christianity as corrupt, he rose to prominence as a religious figure and political activist under Ayatollah Khomeini. But after witnessing deception and oppression, he became disillusioned, was imprisoned, and narrowly escaped execution before fleeing Iran.

In Turkey, Shayesteh’s academic studies and unexpected encounters with Christians began to reshape his worldview. Drawn initially by...


Are Church Planting Movements Bad?
04/19/2026

Can church planting be done wrong?

This episode of The Missions Show explores the debate around Church Planting Movements (CPMs), interacting with a Lausanne article that presents them as a highly effective missions strategy. Alex Kocman and Scott Dunford explain what CPMs are and why they generate both enthusiasm and concern, especially regarding their emphasis on rapid multiplication and minimal training.

Alex and Scott raise key theological and practical questions about doctrine, discipleship, and the definition of the church. While affirming the desire for gospel growth, they caution against prioritizing speed and numbers over biblical...


Canada’s C9 Bill – Is God’s Truth Being Outlawed?
04/12/2026

Did Canada just pass a bill that outlaws particular Bible teaching?

This episode of The Missions Show explores the implications of Canada’s Bill C9 (the “Combating Hate Act”) and its potential impact on religious freedom, gospel proclamation, and missions. Guest John Taylor, ABWE missionary in Canada, explains that while the bill aims to curb violence and protect marginalized communities, its vague definition of “hate” and removal of key legal protections for religious expression raise serious concerns.

The conversation highlights how this cultural and legal shift may affect both local churches and global missions efforts. John encou...


A Defense Against Missions as Colonialism
04/05/2026

How do you respond when people say that missions is colonialism?

In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott tackle the increasingly common claim that missions is inherently colonialistic with guest Will Maxson. Prompted by real-world examples and cultural trends, they explore why this critique has gained traction, even within Christian institutions. Maxson acknowledges that while missions and colonial expansion sometimes overlapped historically, the popular narrative often exaggerates or misunderstands that connection. He argues that Christianity’s missionary impulse is fundamentally different from colonialism, rooted not in coercion but in persuasion and respect for human di...


Sustaining Grace Through Tragedy: The Bowers Shoot Down, 25 Years Later
03/29/2026

In April 2001, tragedy struck deep in the jungles of Peru when a missionary flight carrying the Bowers family was mistakenly shot down during a counternarcotics operation gone wrong. Roni Bowers and her infant daughter, Charity, were killed. Jim Bowers and his young son survived.

Twenty-five years later, Jim joins Alex and Scott to reflect on that day and what Jim has learned about loss, faith, and God’s sustaining grace.

While the incident drew international attention and remains a sobering example of the dangers missionaries face, this episode moves beyond the news cycle. Jim shares wh...


Protestant Missions and the Catholic Question
03/22/2026

How should we view Roman Catholicism on the mission field?

In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott tackle the complex and often sensitive question of how Protestant missionaries should engage with Roman Catholics in the context of global missions. They emphasize that missions is not just about generic belief in Jesus, but about faithfully communicating the true gospel with doctrinal clarity.

Alex and Scott explore key theological differences, especially regarding authority and salvation. The episode concludes with practical missiological insights, stressing the need to avoid assuming the gospel in any context and...


Reaching Muslim Refugees With the Gospel
03/15/2026

In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott speak with ABWE missionaries “Will and Beth McAuliffe” (pseudonyms) about their long journey toward serving among Arabic-speaking people. After years of preparation and ministry in the Middle East, their plans were unexpectedly disrupted when their daughter was born extremely premature with significant medical complications. The experience forced them to leave the field and wrestle with whether their missionary calling had changed, ultimately leading them to new refugee ministry opportunities in Europe.

Now living in Berlin, Germany, where thousands of Arabic-speaking refugees have settled, Will and Beth are crea...


Demystifying the Order of Love
03/08/2026

How does Scripture order our affections?

In this episode, Alex and Scott unpack the historic Christian concept of the ordo amoris—the “order of loves”—and why it matters for missions today. Drawing from Alex’s new book Ordered to Love, they explore how Scripture and theologians like Augustine and Aquinas teach that our loves must be rightly ordered, beginning with God and flowing outward to family, church, nation, and the nations.

Together they address current cultural tensions—nationalism, global instability, and missionary urgency—and ask how Christians should prioritize their responsibilities in a limited, embodied life...


Global Persecution, Biblical Judgment, and Discernment on the Mission Field
03/02/2026

How do we exercise discernment on the mission field?

In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott examine common misunderstandings about global persecution and why discernment is essential when evaluating reports of suffering in the church. Drawing from missionary experience, they explain that persecution is not always dramatic or violent, but often appears as marginalization, stigma, or family rejection. They caution against glamorizing persecuted believers or assuming their theology is automatically superior.

The conversation also explores a biblical theology of generalizations and discernment, looking at Titus 1 and Philippians 1 as guides for thinking clearly...


What’s Happening in Iran? Protests, Crisis, and the Church
02/23/2026

How do believers respond to the situation in Iran?

In this episode, Scott Dunford talks with “Sam,” an ABWE missionary serving Persian and Iranian communities, about the crisis gripping Iran. Looking at ancient Persia's biblical roots, home of Daniel and Esther, to the 1979 Islamic Revolution that installed a Shiite theocracy, Iran’s story is both historic and volatile. Sam explains the regime’s ideology, the nationwide uprisings across hundreds of cities, and the crushing reality facing ordinary Iranians amid economic collapse and violent repression.

Yet in the shadows of persecution, the gospel is advancing. Iran’s undergro...


How to Develop Godly Grit With Kyle Farran
02/16/2026

This week Alex and Scott are joined by ABWE missionary and Western Europe regional director Kyle Farran to explore what true, godly grit looks like in ministry. Rather than defining resilience by personality or overcoming high-pressure moments, they discuss grit as being formed through daily faithfulness, perseverance in the mundane, and steady trust in the Lord.

Farran shares insights from Scripture and decades of missionary experience to show that spiritual grit is earned over time, not summoned on demand. This conversation challenges pastors, missionaries, and ministry leaders to embrace hard things with confidence rooted in who God...


Thailand: A Strategic Missions Hub With Benjamin Collins
02/09/2026

Can reaching Thailand be the key to reaching all of Southeast Asia?

In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex sits down with ABWE missionary Benjamin Collins to discuss gospel work in Thailand, a nation with long-standing missionary access yet less than one percent Christian. Ben shares about his role supporting church planters across the country and explains why Thailand remains a crucial missions field where evangelism, discipleship, and leadership development are all urgently needed.

The conversation highlights the importance of long-term missions, language learning, and cultural understanding, as well as the growing collaboration among...


Why the Puritans Matter to Modern Missions With Stephen Yuille
02/02/2026

What can the Puritans teach us about missions?

This week, Alex is joined by Stephen Yuille, director of Puritan Publishing at Reformation Heritage Books, to explore who the Puritans really were and why they still matter for missions today. Yuille challenges common cultural caricatures of Puritanism, explaining that the Puritans were not merely dour moralists but a vibrant movement of pastors and theologians marked by a deep, heartfelt devotion to Christ that went beyond intellectual assent.

The conversation traces how this Christ-centered theology fueled a genuine evangelistic and missionary impulse. Although the Puritans lived before...


Reforming Missions: A Conversation With Jerry Slate Jr.
01/26/2026

Has global missions strayed from a biblical foundation?

In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott talk with Pastor Jerry Slate Jr. to discuss the theological foundations and practical realities of faithful missionary work. The conversation centers on the question of what sustains missionaries through hardship, rejection, and long seasons of discouragement.

Jerry, Alex, and Scott emphasize the central role of the local church in sending, vetting, and sustaining missionaries, warning against outsourcing this responsibility entirely to parachurch organizations. The episode highlights the need to tether missiology firmly to historic Christian theology, confessional...


Do You Believe in Miracles? What Acts Says With Dr. Darren Carlson
01/19/2026

Do you believe miracles can still happen?

In this episode of The Missions Show, Scott is joined by Dr. Darren Carlson—pastor, author, and founder of Training Leaders International—to discuss the ongoing work of God as revealed in the book of Acts and experienced around the world today. Drawing from Carlson’s new book, Witness: Missional Devotions from the Book of Acts, the conversation explores whether Acts should be viewed merely as a historical account or as an invitation to expect God’s continued unusual activity through the church.

Scott and Darren wrestle honestly with the...


Paris – A City of Light and Mission With Billy Bean
01/12/2026

What does missions look like in a global city like Paris, France?

In this episode of The Missions Show, Alex and Scott are joined by pastor Billy Bean to discuss A City of Light, a short documentary exploring gospel work in Paris, France. Often overlooked as a missions field, Paris is presented as a strategic global city, shaped by history, migration, and secular ideology, whose influence extends far beyond Europe.

Billy explains how missionaries and pastors in Paris seek to connect with deeply held French values—such as beauty, freedom, identity, and intellectual rigor—while conf...


New Name, Same Show
01/09/2026

New year, new name. The Missions Podcast is now The Missions Show.

Why the change? We’re stepping into a video-first world. The show is now on NRBTV, with Lighthouse TV launching soon in central Pennsylvania. We’ve been on YouTube for some time, and this rebrand reflects a move beyond audio-only podcasting to serve a wider audience.

What hasn’t changed is the heart of the show. We’ll keep the same format and the same purpose—answering hard questions in missiology, theology, and practice to help goers think and thinkers go.

Thanks to...


Evangelism and Missions in India With Aaron Menikoff and Harshit Singh
01/05/2026

In this week's episode, Alex and Scott welcome pastor Aaron Menikoff (Atlanta, USA) and pastor Harshit Singh (Lucknow, India) to discuss how evangelism and missions function through the local church, particularly in the Indian context. Drawing from their book Prioritizing Missions in the Church, Menikoff and Singh argue that missions should not be treated as a side program but as an outflow of ordinary, faithful church life.

They emphasize that preaching, prayer, discipleship, and the ordinances—when practiced consistently—form the foundation through which God raises up and sends missionaries to the nations. The conversation highlights how this...


A Practical Theology of Persecution With Matt Rhodes
12/29/2025

In this episode of The Missions Podcast, Alex welcomes returning guest Matt Rhodes—missionary, church planter among Muslims, and author to discuss his new book Persecution in Missions: A Practical Theology. Together they discuss that persecution is not an anomaly but a normative feature of Christian life and global missions, especially in unreached contexts.

While Western Christians may experience lesser forms of opposition, believers in Muslim, Hindu, and Buddhist-majority regions often face severe social, legal, and physical threats. Rhodes emphasizes that persecution profoundly shapes missionary strategy, discipleship, and the lived faith of new believers, often acting as a...


Holiday Special! Our Favorite Episodes from 2025
12/22/2025

Come celebrate another year of The Missions Podcast!

In this special end-of-the-year episode, Alex and Scott recall their favorite discussions from 2025 and important takeaways from each. They also discuss how they are using this holiday season to celebrate the incarnation of Christ.

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Church Planting From Bangladesh to NYC With Prodip Das
12/15/2025

What's the spiritual climate like in Bangladesh?

In this week's episode, Scott interviews Pastor Prodip Das, a Bengali church planter in New York City with ABWE's EveryEthne ministry. Together, they discuss the unique nature and conflict of Christianity and Islam within Bangladesh.

Prodip tells his personal testimony and what it is like growing up in a Christian family in the country. Prodip also talks about his ministry within New York City and discipling Muslim-background believers.

Key Topics

The history of ABWE ministry in Bangladesh Prodip's personal testimony of growing up a Christian...


The Reality of Missions in Japan With Bill Petite
12/08/2025

Why is Japan the graveyard of missionaries?

In this episode, Alex talks with veteran ABWE missionary Bill Petite, who reflects on 35 years of ministry in Japan. Bill gives an honest look at the spiritual, cultural, and emotional realities of serving in one of the world’s least-reached nations.

Bill Petite also speaks candidly about the emotional and spiritual toll of long-term missions, sharing seasons of deep depression, discouragement, and even suicidal thoughts—contrasted with stories of God’s surprising providence.

Key Topics

The paradox of Japan’s high morality and deep spiritual lostness...


The Transcultural Gospel With E.D. Burns
12/01/2025

How does the gospel transcend cultural understandings like guilt/innocence, honor/shame?

In this episode, Alex is joined by longtime friend of the show, Dr. E.D. Burns, a missionary, author, and ABWE’s Executive Director for Training & Development. E.D. argues that many modern missionary methods fall into error by beginning with culture rather than Scripture. When missionaries adapt the message to perceived cultural needs: fear of spirits, desire for honor, community belonging, they risk redefining the gospel according to those felt needs instead of the Bible's central categories of sin, wrath, substitutionary atonement, and the im...


Behind the Numbers: What’s Really Happening in Global Missions With Ted Esler
11/24/2025

In this episode of The Missions Podcast, Alex Kocman and ABWE President, Paul Davis, interview Ted Esler, president of Missio Nexus, on the global state of Christian missions. Esler explains that although the global church is experiencing slow and steady growth, many evangelical churches lack a strong understanding of lostness which has contributed to a decline in missionary sending and passion. Cultural pressures, including accusations of colonialism and a general decrease in missions literacy, have also shaped a generation of believers who are less aware of the biblical and historical urgency of reaching the nations.

Ted emphasizes...


Islam’s War on Christians in Nigeria With Larry Alex Taunton
11/17/2025

What's happening with persecuted Christians in Nigeria?

In this episode of the Missions Podcast, Alex and Scott talk with Larry Alex Taunton, an author and apologist, who shares his firsthand experience witnessing Christian persecution in Nigeria. Taunton recounts his journey to the country’s northern region, where he saw the devastating effects of what he calls a “genocide against Christians.” He describes traveling through burned villages, military checkpoints, and communities living in constant fear of attacks by Boko Haram and Fulani militants.

Through personal experience, Taunton highlights the courage of Nigerian Christians who remain steadfast in the...


Is Persecution a Good Thing?
11/10/2025

Is it true that the "blood of the martyrs is the seed of the church"?

In this episode, Alex and Scott challenge the popular belief that persecution is inherently good for the church. Drawing from Ronald Boyd-MacMillan’s article Does Persecution Always Bring Growth?, they argue that while persecution can refine believers, history shows it often destroys the local church entirely. They distinguish between short, intense persecution that may spark renewal and long-term systemic persecution that weakens or eliminates the church altogether.

Alex and Scott discuss that Christians should not romanticize suffering and realize that pe...


Need to Know Data on Church Missions Engagement With Matthew Ellison and Denny Spitters
11/03/2025

Does your pastor adequately prioritize missions at your church?

In this episode of The Missions Podcast, Alex interviews Matthew Ellison and Denny Spitters from 1615 Missions Coaching about their new book, The Sending Shepherd: Leading Churches to Disciple All Nations. Drawing from a Barna study, the conversation centers on the vital role of church leadership in global missions. They argue that effective mobilization starts with senior pastors embracing a “sending shepherd” mindset—reintegrating God’s global purpose into preaching, discipleship, and church culture rather than treating missions as an optional program.

They encourage pastors to see missions...


Collab: Nicene Creed and the Transcultural Gospel with Dr. Don Fairbairn and Cedar Crest Church
10/26/2025

How does the Nicene Creed unite believers from East and West?

This episode of The Missions Podcast—in collaboration with Cedar Crest Bible Fellowship Church’s Captivate & Conform podcast—features Dr. Don Fairbairn, a theologian and former missionary to Soviet Georgia. The conversation explores the intersection of missions, theology, and church history, particularly how the Nicene Creed and patristic theology offer transcultural insight for modern missiology. Dr. Fairbairn shares his journey from seminary to the mission field and how his time in Eastern Europe reshaped his academic focus on Eastern Orthodoxy and early church thought.

He emp...


Your ‘World View’ Is Wrong: The Challenge and Blessing of Missionary Mapmaking
10/19/2025

How does a visual representation of the world affect your overall world view?

Alexand Scottdiscuss the spiritual and practical significance of maps in missionary work, exploring how maps not only display geography but also influence how Christians perceive the world’s spiritual landscape. They trace the history of missionary mapping from figures like David Livingstone and William Carey, reflecting on how visual tools like the 10/40 Window have historically mobilized believers toward unreached regions.

Alex and Scott emphasize that maps do more than expand awareness—they refine our worldview, highlighting both the vast need for the gosp...


Why Church Planting Still Matters in America With Clare Jewell
10/12/2025

What does church planting look like here in North America?

In this episode, Alex and Scott talk with Dr. Clare Jewell, national representative of the GARBC and Executive Director with ABWE’s EveryEthne, about the state of church planting in North America. Clare shares his journey from pastoral ministry to missions leadership, explaining his passion for helping churches reproduce and make disciples. While the U.S. is filled with churches, it remains the world’s third-largest mission field. New church plants, Clare explains, are far more effective in reaching the lost than established congregations, and the focus must...


If Bible Colleges Close, What Happens to Missions? With Dr. Jim Lytle
10/05/2025

Are small Bible colleges on life support in America?

In this week's episode, Alex and Scott welcome Dr. Jim Lytle, former president of Clarks Summit University and former ABWE missionary to South Africa, to discuss the enduring importance of Christian institutions and the plight facing Bible colleges today. They explore how Bible colleges have historically served as crucial training grounds for mobilizing missionaries, shaping young believers’ worldviews, and fostering a heart for cross-cultural ministry. Lytle emphasizes that the purpose of these schools was not only theological education but also defining reality for students—helping them see their live...


If Bible Colleges Close, What Happens to Missions? With Dr. Jim Lytle
10/05/2025

Are small Bible colleges on life support in America?

In this week's episode, Alex and Scott welcome Dr. Jim Lytle, former president of Clarks Summit University and former ABWE missionary to South Africa, to discuss the enduring importance of Christian institutions and the plight facing Bible colleges today. They explore how Bible colleges have historically served as crucial training grounds for mobilizing missionaries, shaping young believers’ worldviews, and fostering a heart for cross-cultural ministry. Lytle emphasizes that the purpose of these schools was not only theological education but also defining reality for students—helping them see their live...


Bringing Christ to the Frontlines: Stories From North Africa
09/28/2025

What does being a missionary look like among a totally unreached Muslim majority people group?

In this week's episode, Alex and Scott sit down with Alan, an ABWE missionary serving in North Africa, who shares his experience of seeing God work in incredible ways among an unreached people group. Despite having a lucrative career in corporate America, Alan felt the call to go preach the gospel to unreached Muslim people, all at the age of 50.

Alan shares personal stories about the risks and rewards of serving in an unreached context. He also talks about what...


Bringing Christ to the Frontlines: Stories From North Africa
09/28/2025

What does being a missionary look like among a totally unreached Muslim majority people group?

In this week's episode, Alex and Scott sit down with Alan, an ABWE missionary serving in North Africa, who shares his experience of seeing God work in incredible ways among an unreached people group. Despite having a lucrative career in corporate America, Alan felt the call to go preach the gospel to unreached Muslim people, all at the age of 50.

Alan shares personal stories about the risks and rewards of serving in an unreached context. He also talks about what...


AI Translation, Culture, and the Myth of Missions Shortcuts
09/21/2025

Can AI technology shortcut language barriers for the gospel?

Alex Kocman and Scott Dunford explore the connection between language, culture, and gospel communication. They discuss Apple’s new AirPods Pro 3 with Live Translation and explain why technology can’t replace the slow, intentional work of learning a language. Scott shares personal stories from learning Mandarin, showing how culture shapes meaning and how simple translation can miss the point.

They also warn against reductionistic approaches to missions that downplay language learning and rely too much on quick methods. God Himself prepared a cultural framework over centuries for...


AI Translation, Culture, and the Myth of Missions Shortcuts
09/21/2025

Can AI technology shortcut language barriers for the gospel?

Alex Kocman and Scott Dunford explore the connection between language, culture, and gospel communication. They discuss Apple’s new AirPods Pro 3 with Live Translation and explain why technology can’t replace the slow, intentional work of learning a language. Scott shares personal stories from learning Mandarin, showing how culture shapes meaning and how simple translation can miss the point.

They also warn against reductionistic approaches to missions that downplay language learning and rely too much on quick methods. God Himself prepared a cultural framework over centuries for...


The Sin of Empathy? Leadership, Sabotage, and Missions With Joe Rigney
09/14/2025

Can empathy be a bad thing?

This week, Alex and Scott sit down with Joe Rigney, Fellow of Theology at New Saint Andrew's College and pastor, as they explore the challenges of Christian leadership, ministry, and missions, and the dangers of emotional sabotage and untethered empathy. Rigney explains that in times of turmoil, leaders must maintain mission clarity and resist being derailed by reactive or manipulative pressures within their organizations.

Joe Rigney discusses that rather than being an unqualified good, empathy can be wielded as emotional blackmail, steering ministries away from their God-given purposes. They...


The Sin of Empathy? Leadership, Sabotage, and Missions With Joe Rigney
09/14/2025

Can empathy be a bad thing?

This week, Alex and Scott sit down with Joe Rigney, Fellow of Theology at New Saint Andrew's College and pastor, as they explore the challenges of Christian leadership, ministry, and missions, and the dangers of emotional sabotage and untethered empathy. Rigney explains that in times of turmoil, leaders must maintain mission clarity and resist being derailed by reactive or manipulative pressures within their organizations.

Joe Rigney discusses that rather than being an unqualified good, empathy can be wielded as emotional blackmail, steering ministries away from their God-given purposes. They...


Remembering Charlie Kirk
09/14/2025

In this special, unplanned episode, Alex and Scott share their raw reflections on this week’s wicked events and how mission-minded Christians must respond in the present hour.


Remembering Charlie Kirk
09/14/2025

In this special, unplanned episode, Alex and Scott share their raw reflections on this week’s wicked events and how mission-minded Christians must respond in the present hour.