The Called to Flourish Podcast
The CALLED TO FLOURISH Podcast from Best Christian Workplaces equips and inspires Christian leaders to transform their workplaces into beacons of hope where faith comes alive, people and organizations flourish, and the Gospel shines through flourishing culture.
Your Staff Is Already Using AI. Do You Have a Policy? — Dustin W. Stout, Magai
Most leaders think they still have time to figure out their AI policy. Dustin W. Stout says that clock ran out the moment their staff opened ChatGPT for the first time.
Christian leaders are facing a technology shift moving faster than most policies can keep up with. In this episode, Dustin W. Stout — CEO of Magai and a former youth pastor — talks through why AI adoption inside organizations is already happening below the surface, why the extremes of fear and over-reliance both miss the point, and what it actually looks like to lead well through a moment this...
He Didn't Ask for a 360. He Chose What to Do With It. — David Corry, Liberty University
Not every leader gets to choose when growth arrives. David Corry, General Counsel for Liberty University, didn't choose the timing — but what he did with the opportunity is the real story.
When Liberty University committed to investing in its leaders' growth, David Corry was one of the executives given the chance to go through a full 360 assessment. In this episode, David shares why he chose to lean fully into the process — engaging honestly with feedback instead of simply going through the motions. His story offers a real look at what humility, coaching, and sustained growth look like in p...
Women Aren't Leaving Over Pay — They're Leaving Because No One's Listening — Joanna Meyer, Denver Institute for Faith & Work
Most Christian leaders believe they value women's full contribution — but the structures working against that belief are often invisible until someone measures them.
Leaders in Christian-led organizations are facing a quiet retention problem: women disengaging not over pay, but over voice, access, and influence. This episode unpacks how ordinary policies — job descriptions, meeting habits, mentorship norms — can unintentionally exclude women from decision-making, and why leaders often don't see it until someone brings the data.
You'll Gain Insight On:
Why structural bias hides inside well-intentioned policies What BCW's engagement data reveals about how women experience cultur...The Leaders Who Stay Stuck Already Know Their Blind Spots — Amy Clark, Growth Minded Leadership
Most leaders who plateau aren't missing feedback — they're avoiding what honest feedback requires of them. Self-identification, it turns out, is only 20% of self-awareness.
Leadership development has a blind spot of its own: it focuses heavily on skills while overlooking the inner work that growth actually demands. In this episode, leadership strategist and executive coach Amy Clark explores why so many leaders stall even after they've named their weaknesses, and offers a clear path forward. From the concept of the "edge of familiarity" — where leaders cling to the expertise that got them to their current role — to a simple...
Your People Aren't Burned Out—Their Work May Be Draining the Life Out of Them — Jay Bransford, Best Christian Workplaces
Many leaders assume disengagement is primarily a motivation or performance problem. But what if the real issue is that people no longer experience their work as life-giving?
In this episode, Jay Bransford, President & CEO of Best Christian Workplaces, explores why Life-Giving Work is the second most powerful driver of employee engagement. Drawing from decades of workplace culture research, he explains how leaders unintentionally drain meaning from work, why role alignment matters, and how connecting daily tasks to mission can dramatically increase engagement and ownership.
You'll gain insight into:
• Why Life-Giving Work is one of...
The Strongest Ministries Don't Ignore the People Closest to Them — Michael Martin, ECFA
Many Christian-led organizations are passionate about serving people externally—but struggle to care for the health of their own teams internally.
In this episode, Michael Martin, President & CEO of ECFA, explains why flourishing cultures require intentional stewardship, leadership rhythms, and a deep commitment to caring for people well. Drawing from ECFA's experience building a 100th-percentile workplace culture, he shares how mission clarity, collaboration, employee voice, and healthy leadership practices strengthen both culture and Kingdom impact.
You'll gain insight into:
• Why ECFA made culture one of its core strategic goals
• How mission clarity creates...
You Can't Build External Trust on Internal Instability — Dr. Rob McKenna, WiLD Leaders
Trust problems rarely begin with strategy. More often, they begin with fear, self-protection, and leaders trying to create stability externally while struggling internally.
In this episode, Dr. Rob McKenna—CEO of WiLD Leaders and bestselling author of Whole Leaders, Wild Trust—shares why trust grows through honesty, vulnerability, and truth-telling rather than perfection. He explains how internal formation shapes team trust, why self-protection quietly destroys cultures, and what leaders can do to build environments where people feel safe enough to tell the truth.
You'll gain insight into:
• why trust begins with personal formation before...
Engagement Hit a 15-Year High. So Why Are 39% Still Disengaged? — Dr. Doug Waldo, Best Christian Workplaces
Employee engagement across Christian-led organizations has reached its highest level in 15 years. Yet nearly 4 in 10 employees still cannot bring their best to work each day.
In this episode, Dr. Doug Waldo, Research Director and Senior Consultant at Best Christian Workplaces, explains what the 2026 State of the Christian Workplace Report reveals about trust in leadership, employee voice, and the organizational barriers that still limit engagement—and what leaders can do about them.
You'll gain insight on:
• why 61% engagement represents meaningful progress across Christian workplaces
• how disengagement quietly reduces organizational capacity
• the trust signals...
Diversity Isn't the Problem—Disconnection Is — Dr. James Borishade, Circle Urban Ministries
Many leaders assume diversity creates tension on teams. But the deeper threat to engagement isn't difference—it's disconnection.
In this episode, Dr. James Borishade of Circle Urban Ministries explains how leaders can create psychological safety across differences so teams remain unified around mission. He shares practical lessons on listening well, modeling humility, and repairing trust when leadership decisions unintentionally silence team voices.
You'll gain insight on:
• recognizing when withdrawal signals relational unsafety
• inviting meaningful input before decisions are finalized
• repairing trust through humility and accountability
• creating space for diverse perspectives without lo...
Ask for Feedback Before the Decision: How DiscipleMakers Built a 100th Percentile Ministry Culture — Peter Krol and Tom Hallman, DiscipleMakers
What happens when leaders invite feedback before decisions are finalized instead of after they're announced?
In this episode of Called to Flourish, Peter Krol, President, and Tom Hallman, Vice President of DiscipleMakers, share how their ministry built one of the most engaged workplace cultures in their sector by creating clear rhythms of listening, collaboration, and shared ownership. Rather than relying on top-down decision-making, they developed practical ways for staff to contribute input early—strengthening alignment as the organization expanded from 11 to 26 campuses. Their experience offers a compelling model for ministry leaders who want to grow without losing mi...
Data-Driven Leadership: How Facing the Truth About Culture Builds Trust and Strengthens Your Church — Brad Cooper, NewSpring Church
What happens when leaders stop guessing about culture and start listening to what their teams are actually experiencing?
In this episode of Called to Flourish, Brad Cooper, Lead Pastor of Culture and Direction at NewSpring Church, shares how honest feedback and engagement surveys helped their leadership team face cultural blind spots, respond to a season of challenge, and build deeper trust across staff. Instead of relying on assumptions, they used data to clarify reality and strengthen alignment across the organization. This conversation offers practical insight for pastors and ministry leaders who want to build healthier teams through...
Forgiveness in the Workplace: How Leaders Build Trust and Heal Culture — Tara VanderSande, Best Christian Workplaces
What happens when unforgiveness quietly shapes your workplace culture?
In this episode of Called to Flourish, Tara VanderSande, Senior Engagement and Talent Consultant at Best Christian Workplaces, explores why forgiveness is not just a personal spiritual practice—but a leadership discipline that directly impacts trust, innovation, and organizational health. Drawing from engagement survey data, Scripture, and real-world leadership experience, Tara explains how unresolved offenses create fear, secrecy, and disengagement within teams. This conversation offers practical and spiritual guidance for leaders who want to build cultures marked by humility, accountability, and freedom.
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...Fantastic Teams: Why Flourishing Is a "We," Not a "Me" — Jay Bransford, Best Christian Workplaces
Why do some teams flourish while others stall — even under strong leadership?
In this episode of Called to Flourish, Jay Bransford, President & CEO of Best Christian Workplaces, explores why thriving cultures are built on unified teams aligned around shared mission and trust. Drawing from Scripture and decades of research-backed insight, Jay explains how fantastic teams handle conflict, cultivate psychological safety, and move from "me" thinking to "we" collaboration. This conversation offers practical and biblical clarity for leaders who want to build teams that accomplish more together than any individual could alone.
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...Becoming the Kind of Leader People Want to Follow — Jim Brown, OrgHealth
What makes people truly want to follow a leader — not out of obligation, but out of trust and belief?
In this episode of Called to Flourish, Jim Brown, Founder of OrgHealth and leadership coach, challenges the myth of perfect leadership and shares why authenticity, humility, and curiosity are the real foundations of influence. Drawing from decades of coaching executives and leadership teams, Jim explains how trust deepens when leaders stop pretending, invite honest conversation, and prioritize people over image. This conversation offers practical wisdom for leaders who want to build cultures where trust grows and leadership becomes wo...
How ACSI Built a High-Trust Culture That People Want to Stay In — Dr. Larry Taylor, ACSI
What does it take to build a workplace culture where people genuinely trust leadership—and want to stay? In this episode of Called to Flourish, Dr. Larry Taylor, President & CEO of ACSI, shares how ACSI strengthened organizational trust through intentional listening, leadership transparency, and faith-centered culture practices. Larry offers practical insight on turning employee feedback into action, involving executive leadership, and sustaining long-term culture momentum.
You'll gain insight on:
• Why trust is foundational to a healthy workplace culture
• How leaders can move from feedback to meaningful action
• What it takes to sustain en...
Is Your Business Also Your Ministry? Kingdom Leadership at Work — Barry Slauenwhite, Best Christian Workplaces
What if your business is more than profit — or even social good? In this episode of Called to Flourish, Barry Slauenwhite and Robert Wachter explore how Christian leaders can see the marketplace as a mission field, using daily business decisions to advance eternal purpose. From "return on eternity" to leading with integrity, generosity, and kingdom lenses, this conversation reframes what faithful leadership looks like in the workplace.
You'll walk away with practical insights on: integrating faith and work, leading with purpose beyond profit, and making a lasting spiritual impact through business leadership.
Guest: Barry Slauenwhite, Ca...
Called to Flourish: God's Original Design for Fruitful Life and Leadership — Jay Bransford, Best Christian Workplaces
What does it truly mean to flourish—and why does Scripture present flourishing as God's original design, not a modern ambition?
In this opening episode of Called to Flourish, Robert Wachter, Global Marketing Director, sits down with Jay Bransford, President & CEO of Best Christian Workplaces, to explore God's heart for human flourishing. Drawing from Genesis and the words of Jesus, Jay reflects on how true flourishing flows not from striving, but from abiding in Christ—and how leadership is ultimately a shepherding calling shaped by humility, integrity, and trust in God's work.
You'll gain biblical insi...
Called to Flourish — A Fresh Podcast for Leaders Seeking Healthy, Christ-Centered Cultures
A new chapter is beginning at Best Christian Workplaces.
In early January, we're launching the Called to Flourish Podcast—a new conversation space designed to equip Christian leaders to build healthy, Christ-centered workplace cultures across churches, ministries, nonprofits, and faith-driven businesses.
In this short teaser, host Robert Wachter shares why we're launching Called to Flourish, what leaders can expect, and how this podcast will inspire and equip you to create a workplace where people and mission flourish.
What you can expect from Called to Flourish:
Insightful conversations with seasoned Christian leaders
...458: How Is It with Your Soul? Strengthening Leadership from the Inside Out // Ruth Haley Barton, Transforming Center
Join us for this encore episode with Ruth Haley Barton, founder of the Transforming Center, as she explores the critical question every leader must face: 'How is it with your soul?' Discover why leaders who neglect their inner spiritual life risk losing themselves, and how cultivating spiritual disciplines can transform both your leadership and your organization's culture.
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457: Moving Through the Tunnel: A Harvard Expert's Guide to Difficult Conversations // Sheila Heen, Triad Consulting Group
What if the way we give and receive feedback could unlock healthier relationships and stronger workplace cultures? In this conversation, Sheila Heen—Harvard Law School lecturer, co-author of Thanks for the Feedback, and expert on negotiation and communication—shares powerful insights into why feedback is so hard and how leaders can navigate it with wisdom and grace.
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456: How to Move Your Team from 63% to 81% Engaged in 12 Months // Brian Mosley, RightNow Media
Inspirational leadership has the power to shape culture, energize teams, and move an organization toward its mission with renewed passion. In this episode, RightNow Media president Brian Mosley shares how his multigenerational ministry story and commitment to using media for God's purposes offer fresh insights for building a flourishing workplace.
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455: From Crisis to Culture Change: How Prairie College Reversed a Downward Spiral // Mark Maxwell, Prairie College
Join Mark Maxwell, President of Prairie College, as he shares the inspiring story of how a struggling campus culture was transformed into a thriving, engaged community. In this conversation with Al Lopus, Mark reveals practical leadership lessons on building trust, valuing employees, and multiplying impact in Christian higher education.
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454: How Sustainable Strategy Unlocked a Thriving Workplace Culture at 4KIDS // Kevin Enders, 4KIDS
How does a culture of prayer, intentional strategy, and Christ-centered care transform not just an organization—but the lives of vulnerable children? In this encore episode, Kevin Enders, former president of 4KIDS, shares how sustainable strategy and a flourishing workplace culture came together to bring hope, homes, and healing to families across Florida.
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453: Stories of Culture Transformation: From Courage to Flourishing // Cary Humphries, Giselle Jenkins, Best Christian Workplaces
In this special encore episode, two trusted voices from Best Christian Workplaces, Giselle Jenkins and Cary Humphries, reflect on standout moments from the podcast series focused on the FLOURISH Model. They revisit powerful stories and practical strategies that continue to equip leaders in building healthier, more effective workplace cultures.
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452: How One Company's Culture Transformation Drove Engagement and Revenue // Troy Meachum, ACR Supply
What happens when a president leads with intentional communication and a heart for spiritual impact? In this encore episode, Troy Meachum, President of ACR Supply Company, shares how trust, stewardship, and a people-first approach have shaped a flourishing workplace culture.
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451: 3 Keys to Developing a Rewarding Compensation Program // Susan Griffith Byers, Church Compensation Services
Compensation is one of the most tangible ways organizations demonstrate value and care for their people. In this encore episode, we revisit a conversation with Susan Griffith Byers, Founder of Church Compensation Services, to explore how fair, strategic pay practices can strengthen culture and support a flourishing workplace.
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450: Eight Drivers of a Flourishing Workplace Culture // Giselle Jenkins, Best Christian Workplaces
In this episode, Al Lopus and Giselle Jenkins unpack the eight-factor FLOURISH Model—a powerful framework for building a Christ-centered workplace where people truly want to stay.
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449: Why Flourishing Workplaces Still Matter: A Final Word from Al Lopus // Al Lopus, Best Christian Workplaces
What if the most effective, transformative workplaces in the world were led by Christians? In this final episode as host of the Flourishing Culture Leadership Podcast, Al Lopus reflects on over a decade of powerful conversations with Christian leaders who have turned that vision into reality—through intentional leadership, culture change, and the redemptive work of Christ in the workplace.
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448: Thank God It's Monday: Building a Ministry Culture Employees Love // Doug Mazza, Joni and Friends
In this episode, as Al Lopus, host of the Flourishing Culture Leadership Podcast, closes his time as the host, he welcomes back one of his very first guests, Doug Mazza. From leading Hyundai Motor America to expanding the global reach of Joni and Friends, Doug shares how Christ-centered leadership can shape a flourishing workplace culture that leaves a lasting legacy.
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447: Thriving Leaders Start Within: How Self-Leadership Shapes Organizations // Tami Heim, Christian Leadership Alliance
If you're feeling the weight of leadership, this episode offers a timely reminder: your most effective strategy may not be something new you do, but someone deeper you become. Join us as Tami Heim, President and CEO of the Christian Leadership Alliance, shares how personal spiritual formation is the foundation for lasting impact in Christian leadership.
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446: Hiring with Purpose: A Predictive Model for Building Flourishing Teams // Chad Carter
If you've ever second-guessed a hiring decision—or worried about choosing the wrong person—this episode will give you a practical path forward. Chad Carter, the principal chair for C12 forums in East Tennessee and author of The Predictive Hiring Model, shares six key disciplines that can help you reduce turnover, avoid costly mistakes, and consistently hire the right people for your team.
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445: Culture That Flourishes, Leaders Who Last // Peter Greer, HOPE International
When leaders let go of image management and embrace authenticity, transformation follows. In this powerful conversation, Peter Greer, President and CEO of HOPE International, shares honest insights on identity, humility, and what it means to lead with faith and integrity.
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444: Boards That Shepherd, Not Just Oversee // Michael Martin, Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA)
What's one of the biggest risks to the health of Christian ministries that often gets ignored? In this episode, Al Lopus sits down with Michael Martin, President of ECFA (Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability), to explore how trust, governance, and leader well-being are deeply connected—and why boards play a critical role in sustaining healthy, Christ-centered leadership.
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443: Becoming a Redemptive Leader: Surrender, Suffering, and Trusting God's Timing // Rev. Dr. Nicole Massie Martin, Soulfire International Ministries
What if true leadership isn't about chasing success—but about embracing surrender? In this episode, Rev. Dr. Nicole Massie Martin—founder and executive director of Soulfire International Ministries, COO of Christianity Today, and author of Nailing It: Why Successful Leadership Demands Suffering and Surrender—challenges today's leadership norms with a deeply biblical vision of influence shaped by suffering, rooted identity in Christ, and the call to carry the cross.
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442: Ministry on the Edge: A Mental Health Wake-Up Call // Bishop Geoffrey V. Dudley Sr., New Life in Christ Church
When leadership collides with crisis, the results can be both devastating and transformative. In this episode, Bishop Geoffrey V. Dudley Sr.—founding and senior pastor of New Life in Christ Church and author of Leading Through Storms: Successfully Navigating Ministry While Maintaining Your Mental Health—shares how moments of deep personal struggle became defining turning points in his ministry and leadership.
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441: How Leaders Can Thrive in the Unknown // Dr. Tod Bolsinger, AE Sloan Leadership, Inc.
When familiar strategies fall short and the path ahead is uncertain, how do leaders respond with clarity and courage? In this episode, Dr. Tod Bolsinger—founder of AE Sloan Leadership, executive director of the De Pree Center Church Leadership Institute, and associate professor at Fuller Seminary—offers powerful insights on navigating rapid change with adaptive resilience, humility, and a renewed sense of purpose.
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440: 4 Reasons Christian Leaders Should Build Biblically Faithful and Welcoming Cultures // David Bailey, Arrabon
What if racial reconciliation isn't just a side initiative, but central to your calling as a Christian leader? In this compelling conversation, David Bailey, Founder and CEO of Arrabon, unpacks how unity, justice, and spiritual formation are essential to building reconciling communities—and to leading with courage in a divided world.
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439: Inside the 2024 Certified Best Christian Workplaces: Encouragement, Excellence, and Engagement // Tara VanderSande, Doug Waldo, and Cary Humphries, Best Christian Workplaces
What does a flourishing Christian workplace really look like in action? In this episode, three experienced Best Christian Workplaces consultants—Tara VanderSande, Doug Waldo, and Cary Humphries—share behind-the-scenes stories and insights from some of the remarkable organizations named to the 2024 list of Certified Best Christian Workplaces.
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438: From Feedback to Flourishing: Building a Unified Team Around Mission and Culture // Dr. Jeff Myers and Jeff Wood, Summit Ministries
What happens when a ministry fully aligns its strategy with its mission? In this episode, hear how Summit Ministries President Dr. Jeff Myers and author of Truth Changes Everything, and CFO Jeff Wood are building a culture of trust, collaboration, and engagement—all while equipping the next generation of Christian leaders.
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437: Healing Workplace Hurt: Restoring Trust and Flourishing Again // Dr. Meryl Herr, Good Works Group, LLC
Workplace hurt is real, but it doesn't have to be the end of the story. In this episode, Dr. Meryl Herr, author of When Work Hurts, shares how leaders can process pain in a faith-centered way, foster emotional and spiritual healing, and build a culture of trust and resilience.
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