American Thought Leaders

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By: Jan Jekielek

At a time when our nation is portrayed as increasingly polarized, media often ignore viewpoints and stories that are worthy of attention. American Thought Leaders, hosted by The Epoch Times Senior Editor Jan Jekielek, features in-depth discussions with some of America’s most influential thought leaders on pertinent issues facing our nation today.

‘It’s All Being Covered Up’: Sen. Ron Johnson on Missing Batch of Fauci Emails, COVID Origins, and Silencing of the Vaccine-Injured
Last Tuesday at 2:30 AM

“We’re spending tens of billions of dollars on research. Are we spending any money on vaccine injuries at all?”

Today, I sit down with Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), a member of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs as well as the Budget and Finance Committees.

In this deep-dive interview, we discuss what he sees as a global push for mass vaccination and a concerted effort to suppress early treatment. Johnson has been at the forefront of efforts to change America’s COVID-19 policies and has hosted a number of hearings and roundtables on early...


Dr. Sabine Hazan: The Gut Bacteria That’s Missing in People Who Get Severe COVID
Last Monday at 3:34 PM

Dr. Sabine Hazan is a gastroenterologist and CEO of Progenabiome. She is an expert on gut bacteria. When she started studying the microbiomes of COVID-19 patients, she quickly noticed a pattern.

“The people that had severe COVID lacked a certain bacteria called bifidobacteria,” she says.

In this episode, she breaks down how a healthy gut impacts people’s outcomes from COVID-19, and what steps people can take to improve their gut health and overall immunity.

With the knowledge Hazan gained from studying the microbiomes of COVID-19 patients, she developed and patented treatment protocols combin...


The Boot of the State—Mark Chenoweth on Suing Federal Agencies and Ensuring the Separation of Powers
03/22/2023

“Congress has to be the one that appropriates any funds from the treasury. That’s the power of the purse that Congress has. And if we lose that, then we’ll lose the country, because it has to be the elected representatives. If the executive is self-funding, then there’s just no ability to rein that in.”

At the Conservative Political Action Conference, we sat down with Mark Chenoweth, President and General Counsel for the New Civil Liberties Alliance, which brings cases against the government when it violates constitutional freedoms. Today, we discuss three major lawsuits he is current...


Scott McGregor: Inside CCP Hybrid Warfare Operations in Canada, From Election Interference to Money Laundering
03/20/2023

“Canada is at war with China, certainly. Canada just doesn’t realize it,” says Scott McGregor, a former Canadian military intelligence officer.

McGregor is co-author of the new book “The Mosaic Effect: How the Chinese Communist Party Started a Hybrid War in America’s Backyard.”

We discuss the full extent of Chinese communist infiltration into Canada—from large-scale money laundering operations to fentanyl production to recent reports of election interference—and how this impacts the United States.

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Jessica Sutta, Former Pussycat Dolls Member: ‘I Was Severely Injured by the Moderna Vaccine’
03/19/2023

Former Pussycat Dolls member Jessica Sutta says she experienced a severe reaction to the Moderna vaccine. Three days after her first shot in August 2021, she developed an excruciating muscle spasm in her side, she says. After chiropractic treatments, acupuncture, massage, etc. proved unhelpful, she went to the hospital. Doctors believed it was a kidney infection and did not associate it with the COVID-19 vaccine, she says.

Her symptoms worsened after her second shot. She developed brain fog and her weight dropped sharply. In December 2021 she started developing pain in her entire body. In January 2022, she was diagnosed...


Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Part 2): From Event 201 to Dark Winter, the Pandemic Simulations That Foreshadowed Our New Reality
03/15/2023

Previously, in part one of my interview with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., founder and chief legal counsel of the Children’s Health Defense, we discussed glaring conflicts of interest in our health agencies and what he describes as a coup-d’état against American democracy and the Bill of Rights.

Now in part two, he explains how U.S. government tools developed for influencing overseas populations were deployed on Americans.

We also take a look at the string of pandemic simulations conducted in the last few decades—detailed in his book “The Real Anthony Fauci”—and the eerie sim...


Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (Part 1): The Dark Secrets of the Childhood Immunization Schedule and the Vaccine Approval Process
03/13/2023

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“You have scientists who are supposed to be regulators who are actually making money on the product that they’re supposed to be regulating.”

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the founder and chief legal counsel of Children’s Health Defense and author of “The Real Anthony Fauci,” shares his journey from environmental activist to a fierce critic of the vaccine approval process in this comprehensive two-part interview. Not a single vaccine on the c...


Alex Epstein: The Truth About Net-Zero CO2 and the Anti-Human Ideology Fueling the ‘Green’ Movement
03/10/2023

“What we’re told the experts think can be murderously wrong—not just a little long wrong, but murderously wrong,” says Alex Epstein, author of “Fossil Future: Why Global Human Flourishing Requires More Oil, Coal, and Natural Gas—Not Less.”


“We should never make the mistake of thinking that a specific set of experts in a specific field can dictate policy. Policy always depends on multiple fields. And it depends on your particular values,” says Epstein, a philosopher and founder of the Center for Industrial Progress think tank. “The science is being perverted or distorted to advance...


Dr. Harvey Risch: Fake Studies, Cherry-Picked Data, and Big Pharma’s Stranglehold on Medicine
03/09/2023

“What we need is competition in the marketplace and all things medical,” says Dr. Harvey Risch, professor emeritus of epidemiology at the Yale School of Public Health and Yale School of Medicine. Three years since the start of the pandemic, we discuss what we know now about COVID-19, mask efficacy, vaccine harms, and treatment protocols.

“SARS-COV-2 is not the last virus we’re going to fight. And so we need to have this ability to use medications that work for viruses.… We’ve got to be trying and using all these things, and fighting back against the tyranny of p...


North Korean Defector Yeonmi Park: Is America on the Road to Ruin?
03/06/2023

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“The tactics that are being used in America right now to control people are the same tactics the North Korean regime used to control us and enslave us eventually,” says North Korean defector Yeonmi Park.

She’s the author of the new book, “While Time Remains: A North Korean Girl’s Search for Freedom in America.”

“This is our moment of cultural revolution in America,” Park says. “Once the American syst...


Jeffrey Tucker: $6 Trillion Created Unprecedented Inflation, All to Feed the ‘Lockdown Machine’
03/04/2023

“While we slept—while we thought the world was just fine—what was actually happening was a tremendous distortion of the production structures.”

I sit down with Jeffrey Tucker, senior economics columnist for The Epoch Times and founder and president of The Brownstone Institute.

Tucker says labor supply problems are approaching catastrophic levels with historically low worker-to-population ratios, despite what the Biden administration says.

“We just lost millions of workers. They just disappeared,” says Tucker. “Savings rates are rock bottom, credit cards super high, people are taking on second and third jobs, and Washington’s c...


Ian Rowe: We’re Handicapping Children With Victimhood Narratives Instead of Teaching Them How to Succeed
03/02/2023

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“If you say that there’s structural racism, institutional racism, systemic racism, then I have to insist on one other kind of racism. And that is surmountable racism,” says Ian Rowe, co-founder of Vertex Partnership Academies, a new network of character-focused, International Baccalaureate high schools in the Bronx.

Prior to this, he was CEO of the Public Prep charter school network for ten years.

“What we owe to young peo...


Dr. Jay Bhattacharya: The Deadly Consequences of Censorship and the Need for COVID Commissions
02/28/2023

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I sit down with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, professor of health policy at Stanford University’s School of Medicine and one of the co-authors of the Great Barrington Declaration that argued for focused protection of the vulnerable—instead of large-scale lockdowns.

“Many people that are dead today would be alive, had we been allowed to make that argument,” Bhattacharya says.

We discuss how Big Tech, his university, and the highest...


Justin Hart: The Cochrane Mask Study, Failed COVID Predictions, and Fallout From ‘Useless’ Pandemic Policy
02/28/2023

“When we saw their statistics and their projections, and the needs that they projected in the States, and the types of deaths they projected even early on and how you could see that they were wrong, right away we knew we were dealing with a very, very different beast. They had no concern for science or accuracy. It was all about the panic,” said Justin Hart, author of “Gone Viral: How COVID Drove the World Insane.”

“When the threat of mortality comes down from so many avenues, over every medium, over every channel … everyone is telling you: ‘You’re going t...


Stephanie Winn: The ‘Trans Industry’ Is Creating a Sterilized Generation and Medical Patients for Life
02/24/2023

“We’re sterilizing a generation who will not be able to have their own kids. And we’re altering their sexual functioning in a way that’s going to make it more difficult for them to have loving relationships.”

Stephanie Winn is a licensed marriage and family therapist who is currently treating detransitioners and parents with gender-questioning youth.

She says that gender-affirming care is costly to one’s physical health and antithetical to the therapeutic process, reducing the role of the therapist from a curious explorer to someone who is not allowed to probe, question, or act with...


Heather Mac Donald on the Tyre Nichols Case, Racism Red Herring, and Civilizational Breakdown
02/21/2023

“Policing may enter a death spiral if racism remains the predominant explanation for the Tyre Nichols case,” says Heather Mac Donald. “It’s going to drive more people out of the profession … and it’s going to enter a vicious cycle.”

After a traffic stop on Jan. 7, Nichols, 29, attempted to flee and resisted police arrest. Video footage shows him being repeatedly beaten by several police officers. He required hospitalization and died three days later on Jan. 10.

“In this case, there’s no evidence of race coming in at all,” says Mac Donald, a Manhattan Institute fellow and author of...


Chloe Cole: The Dark Side of Unconditional Gender Affirmation
02/18/2023

“We bar kids … from being able to drink or smoke cigarettes or buy marijuana or rent a car. I’ve been traveling a lot and sometimes I can’t even get a hotel room because I’m under the age of 21. And yet, I still was able to get my breasts removed when I was 15,” says Chloe Cole.

“I fell into the delusion that I was actually a boy just living within a girl’s body,” Cole says. She began taking puberty blockers and then testosterone at age 13. She got a double mastectomy at age 15. And at age 16, she realiz...


Victor Davis Hanson: The Chinese Spy Balloon, Orwellian Newspeak, and the Top-Down Revolution Engulfing America
02/16/2023

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“I’m just bewildered that these two evil regimes are so asymmetrically treated as we saw with the balloon … Had Russia done that, we would have shot that down the moment it got near the Aleutians,” says Victor Davis Hanson, a classicist, military historian, and author of a number of best-selling books, including most recently “The Dying Citizen.”

In this broad-ranging interview, we discuss the Chinese spy balloon, Orwellian newspeak, and th...


Aaron Siri (Part 2): How the Vaccine Paradigm Has Led to Medical Coercion and Conflicted Health Agencies
02/13/2023

“I was always told that vaccines are safe. And if a product is safe, why do you need to give the manufacturer … essentially immunity to liability for the injuries that that product causes? Because if it’s safe, certainly in the way that our public health authorities project it safe to the public, there shouldn’t be any injuries, or there should be one in a million, as you often hear.”

Previously, in part one of my interview with Aaron Siri, managing partner at Siri and Glimstad, he broke down how vaccine manufacturers secured unprecedented protections from liability...


Aaron Siri (Part 1): Why Are Vaccine Manufacturers the Most Protected Companies in America?
02/11/2023

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“When we finally had that data, you got a sense of why they didn’t want the public to have it, because it showed that 7.7 percent of the over 10 million V-safe users reported needing medical care after a COVID-19 vaccine.”

Aaron Siri, managing partner at Siri & Glimstad, has led several high-profile lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers and federal health agencies since the start of the COVID-19 pandemic.

“If they prevail...


‘Unspeakable Crime Against Humanity’—Katrina Lantos Swett on China’s Murder for Organs Industry and the Legacy of Her Father, Holocaust Survivor Tom Lantos
02/09/2023

I sit down with Katrina Lantos Swett, president of the Lantos Foundation for Human Rights and Justice and co-chair of the recently concluded International Religious Freedom Summit. We discuss her fight for human rights and religious freedom, including raising awareness about the Chinese regime’s practice of forcibly harvesting the organs of Falun Gong practitioners and other prisoners of conscience.

And we discuss the legacy of Swett’s late father, Congressman Tom Lantos, a survivor of the Holocaust, and what inspires her to continue her work.

“My father had escaped from a slave labor camp. He was...


Mike Benz (Part 2): How the ‘Department of Dirty Tricks’ Turned on Americans
02/06/2023

Previously, in part one of my interview with Mike Benz, he explained the existence of a “whole-of-society” censorship industry in the West. Benz has been tracking the rise of censorship for years as executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online and a former State Department diplomat.

Now in part two, Benz explains how tools originally developed to promote regime change were deployed against Americans.

“What you are doing in a regime-change operation is you are operationalizing huge masses of an indigenous or domestic population in order to create a ground-up overthrow of a sitting govern...


Mike Benz (Part 1): The West’s Burgeoning Censorship Industry and the Government Funds Pouring In–From DHS to DARPA to National Science Foundation
02/04/2023

“Whoever can control the Department of Dirty Tricks is able to use it to remove all opposition,” says Mike Benz.

He is the executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online and a former State Department diplomat under the Trump administration.

The Twitter Files were just the tip of the iceberg, says Benz, who has been tracking the rise of the West’s censorship industry for years.

“22 million tweets were categorized as misinformation for purposes of takedowns or throttling through [the Election Integrity Partnership],” Benz said.

“It wasn’t just government individual tak...


Chaya Raichik, ‘Libs of TikTok’ Creator, on Classroom Indoctrination and TikTok ‘Narcissists’
02/02/2023

“I think gender ideology, in general, is very narcissistic … It’s like, ‘These are my pronouns. This is my gender. Let me talk to you about how I want to be referred to and how you should refer to me,’ says Chaya Raichik, creator of the viral Twitter account “Libs of TikTok.”

“And the whole idea of an app, where you go online and you just film yourself talking … I think that it’s a really good match—those activists and TikTok—because TikTok is really a platform for narcissists.”

Raichik was doxxed in a controversial Washington P...


Orlando Gutierrez-Boronat: Cuba’s Pawns, Informants, and Financiers, from China to America
01/30/2023

Since July 2020, thousands of Cubans have been protesting against their regime, demanding change, freedom, and an end to communism in their country. Orlando Gutierrez-Boronat is a spokesperson for the Cuban Democratic Directorate, who has spent decades raising awareness about the brutal reality of living under the Cuban regime after he fled the communist island as a child.

“When you look at the collapse of infrastructure that collapsed the economy, they’re killing that nation-state. They’re killing the Cuban nation,” said Gutierrez-Boronat.

His recent book “CUBA: The Doctrine of The Lie” exposes propaganda about Cuba and dispels...


Alvin Lui: How Schools Are Weaponizing ‘Inclusion,’ Empathy, and ’Social Emotional Learning’ to Indoctrinate Children
01/27/2023

“My great grandfather ran from communism. The people that dragged him out of his little bakery shop and beat him weren’t soldiers. They were college kids—the Red Guard. And I see that that’s what they’re creating now with a lot of these kids.”

After watching the destructive impact that progressive policies were having in California, Alvin Lui packed up and relocated to the Midwest. But in Indiana, he saw the same ideology taking hold.

“So I realized that if I didn’t try to at least do something … that I can’t complain. And I ha...


Josh Stirling: Dissecting Excess Death Data and How Insurance Industry’s Trillions Could Be Deployed to Help the Vaccine-Injured
01/24/2023

The more doses on average you have in a region within the United States, the bigger increase in mortality that region has had in 2022 when compared to 2021,” said Josh Stirling, an insurance research analyst who has been dissecting alarming trends in life insurance, mortality and disability data over the past couple of years.

Looking at CDC data, Stirling ranked the number of doses administered across regions in the U.S. and compared that to the increase or decrease in mortality in 2022 compared to 2021. He said what he found was a clear regression line to the right. In ot...


Brianne Dressen: Gaslit by Doctors and Loved Ones, Some Vaccine-Injured Are Making the Ultimate Choice to End Their Suffering
01/21/2023

Many in the vaccine-injured community have been told their symptoms—from piercing, constant ringing in their ears to paralysis in their lower body—is due to “anxiety.”

Brianne Dressen, a former preschool teacher in Utah, was severely injured after participating in AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine clinical trial in November 2020. She is the co-chair of React19, the leading non-profit organization aiding those injured by the genetic vaccines.

“This has happened to tens of thousands of Americans that I know of—it’s likely far more—where patients are met with physicians that are doubtful, unbelieving, and in many cases, jus...


‘We Have a Crisis of the Soul and of Identity’—Esther Krakue: How Postmodernist Ideology Has Blinded the West
01/17/2023

Today, I sit down with Esther Krakue, a Ghanaian-born writer and broadcaster based in the UK, to discuss the cultural ills she sees gripping the developed Western world, from postmodernist ideology to bureaucratic COVID dogma and the breakdown of the family.

“We have a crisis of the soul and of identity … Many Western countries don’t know what they are, what they stand for. They can’t even answer basic questions about what it means to be a man or woman or an upstanding citizen anymore. And so we’re just teetering along and just kind of rolling do...


Sebastian Gorka on Russia-Ukraine War Narratives, Political Prisoners in America, and the Politicization of the Intel Community
01/15/2023

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In this episode, we sit down with Sebastian Gorka, host of America First, former strategist for President Donald Trump, and author of “The War for America’s Soul,” to discuss narratives surrounding the Russia-Ukraine War, the fog of disinformation, the Twitter Files, and the politicization of America’s intelligence agencies.

“Sending unaccountable pallets of cash to any country is dumb. I don’t care whether it’s Afghanistan, the Ukraine, or whethe...


Jennifer Sharp: Society Abandoned and Gaslit the Vaccine-Injured–Now I’m Telling Their Stories
01/14/2023

Today, we sit down with filmmaker Jennifer Sharp. After being injured by a COVID-19 vaccine shot and meeting others in the same boat, she made the documentary film, “Anecdotals.”

“I was told specifically by somebody: Your story is just an anecdote… So it’s really irresponsible for you to talk about it because you could stop people from being vaccinated, and you could be responsible for their death,” Sharp says.

Her film “Anecdotals” tells the stories of the vaccine-injured, many of whom are being gaslighted and ostracized by friends, family, and the medical community for associating thei...


Adam Coleman: Overcoming a ‘Poisonous’ Society of Victims and Saviors
01/12/2023

“My search for black identity was something that I actually enjoyed, until I started noticing that there was a level of animosity that comes with it that’s being preached. It is a celebration of being black and also is a rejection of ‘white.’”

Adam Coleman is the founder of WrongSpeak Publishing and author of “Black Victim to Black Victor: Identifying the Ideologies, Behavioral Patterns, and Cultural Norms that Encourage a Victimhood Complex.”

“Human existence is filled with struggle. It’s just a matter of do you take that struggle and hold on to it as some sort of we...


Gordon Chang on Virus Explosion in China, Xi Jinping Losing Control, and CCP Gearing Up for War
01/10/2023

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Is Omicron the COVID-19 variant spreading in China? Or is it something else? And what does the explosion of the virus—and the associated real death toll in China—mean for Chinese leader Xi Jinping, the author of China’s draconian “zero-COVID” policies? We sit down again with China analyst Gordon Chang to discuss the complicated realities the Chinese regime is facing.

“I don’t know what’s going on in Xi Jinping’s h...


How School Officials Secretly Transitioned My Daughter: January Littlejohn on the Gender Contagion Gripping Our Teens
01/08/2023

I sit down with January Littlejohn, a parental rights advocate and mental health professional. In 2021, she filed a lawsuit against her daughter’s Florida school district after school officials met with her 13-year-old daughter—without Littlejohn’s consent—to discuss a six-page “gender support” plan.

“It wasn’t just changing names and pronouns. They asked her which restroom she preferred to use. They asked her which sex she preferred to room with on overnight field trips. And then they did something particularly egregious. They said, ‘How should we refer to you when we speak to your parents? Should we use your...


Dr. Aaron Kheriaty: Self-Spreading Vaccines, Transhumanist Ideology, and Government Gag Orders—The New Technocracy Threatening Hippocratic Medicine and The Nuremberg Code
01/04/2023

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“This is part of a broader proposal of potentially bypassing the informed consent process by putting mRNA gene-based technology in foods… You could have a salad and get vaccinated against potential biological threats.”

`Dr. Aaron Kheriaty is a psychiatrist, medical ethicist, and author of “The New Abnormal: The Rise of the Biomedical Security State.” He has filed several lawsuits against American institutions and the government challenging vaccine mandates and COVID-pandemic...


George Gilder on ‘Emergency Socialism,’ Accommodating Surprise, and Separating Power From Knowledge
01/04/2023

Nearly four decades after investor George Gilder’s book “Wealth and Poverty” helped shape the economic policies of Ronald Reagan, Gilder sits down to discuss his forthcoming book “Life After Capitalism.”

“As Peter Thiel declares, in the past, when you went public as a company, you gained new influence and power and marketing ability, and new capital and freedom. Now, when you go public, you get nationalized. And you become a kind of instrument of government policy,” says Gilder.

Gilder also believes that many of the policies surrounding public health during the pandemic were actually weakening peop...


Dr. Robert Malone: The New Battlefield Is Your Mind—Twitter Files, Fifth Generation Warfare, and the COVID Vaccine Psyops Campaign
01/01/2023

“Is it 10 billion or 13 billion, in the United States alone, that was employed in this—what else can you call it—psyops campaign?… The government felt that it was acceptable to deploy these military-grade technologies against all of us to coerce, compel, and mandate that we accept an unlicensed product that turns out to not be safe nor effective,” says mRNA vaccine pioneer Dr. Robert Malone, author of the new book, “Lies My Gov’t Told Me: And the Better Future Coming.”

In this episode, we dive into the Twitter Files, information warfare, psychological operations, and how we can make sens...


Enes Kanter Freedom: Why I Sacrificed My Future in the NBA to Stand Up to the Chinese Regime
12/29/2022

How can the biggest dictatorship in the world control a 100 percent American-made organization and put pressure on them to fire an American citizen?”

I sit down with NBA player Enes Kanter Freedom. After playing 11 seasons, his career abruptly ended when he made headlines, speaking out about human rights abuses in China.

“NBA is not the only one,” says Freedom. “You see Hollywood, you see Big Tech, you see academia, you see Wall Street, you see Congress … They’re pretty much trying to invade America from the inside because they know they’re not strong enough to invade Amer...


David Bernstein: How Woke Ideology Provides the ‘Perfect Template for Antisemitism to Thrive’
12/24/2022

“When you have an ideology that pretends to know exactly who the oppressors are and who are the oppressed, and you have an ideology that conflates success with oppression … then Jews who do, on average, better than the mean, are going to be viewed as oppressors.”

For decades, David Bernstein has served in senior roles at major Jewish organizations. But when he saw the effect that woke ideology was having on these institutions, he decided to tackle the problem head-on and start a new nonprofit demanding a return to classical liberalism.

“I want there to be conse...


Cleo Paskal: Inside CCP Entropic Warfare, From Shipping Fentanyl to Bribing Elites to Fueling Civil Wars
12/23/2022

“The overt, stated goal of China is to be number one in the world in terms of comprehensive national power … In a relative sense, if you’ve knocked [other countries] down, you’re doing better than they are. So this explains, for example, why from a comprehensive national power perspective, it is beneficial to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to pump fentanyl into middle America,” says Cleo Paskal, a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.

Fentanyl “destroys communities. It destroys families. It’s real entropic warfare, creating this fragmentation, disintegration, [and] chaos within a target country...