Legends Of Sport
Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame photographer Andrew Bernstein discusses life behind the scenes with some of the biggest names in the world of sports. Covering the most memorable events of the past three decades, telling lively and personal stories, plus in-depth discussions about the serious issues affecting current and retired athletes. This podcast is about the memories, business and culture of sport.
Scott Carmichael
Andy chats with former sports executive and current CEO of Prodigy Search, Scott Carmichael, about his new book, From Ball Boy to Boss. Starting as a Lakers ball boy, Scott's career ascended to senior roles with the Los Angeles Lakers, Clippers, Kings (NHL) and many others! Andy & Scott discuss the many turns of his long and successful career journey, their shared history together, the many ingredients for his success, opening his own executive recruiting company Prodigy Search, and much more!
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Laker Legends Robert Horry & A.C. Green | LIG Part Two
We're back with PART TWO from the Legends Impact Group launch mixer with Showtime Lakers legends Robert Horry & A.C. Green! Andy leads the discussion as Robert & A.C. share memories from their championship together in 2000 alongside Shaq & Kobe, A.C. Green playing for both Pat Riley & Phil Jackson, Hakeem Olajuon vs Shaquille O'Neal in the 1995 Finals, managing relationships with teammates, A.C.'s consecutive game streak that earned him the nickname "Iron Man", the commonality of championship teams, and more!
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Laker Legends Michael Cooper, Byron Scott, & James Worthy | LIG Part One
Andy takes the show on the road to the Legends Impact Group launch mixer with Showtime Lakers legends Michael Cooper, Byron Scott & James Worthy! Andy & Coop talk about Magic Johnson's tone setting moments in pursuit of their first championship in 1980, their Sports Illustrated 'Back to School' team shoot, the perfectionism of Coach Pat Riley, Coop's Five D's philosophy, and the importance of trust in basketball & business! Next, Andy, Byron & James discuss Byron's rookie team photo, how Andy earned the trust of the Laker team, the favorite of their championships together (1985, 1987, 1988), the team's trip to the White House immediately after winning...
Lakers Legend Derek Fisher
In honor of NBA Opening Night, Andy chats with five time NBA Champion with the Los Angeles Lakers, Derek Fisher! Andy & Derek also celebrate the 30th anniversary of his NBA debut, which also coincides with the late Kobe Bryant's rookie season and pairing with Shaquille O’Neal. The two reminisce about Derek’s rookie season next to 18-year-old Kobe Bryant, playing and winning rings in both the Kobe & Shaq era AND the Kobe & Pau era, his relationship with fellow Laker legend Byron Scott, his passion for coaching & leadership, and more!
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BAM!: John Madden, the NFL Explosion, and the Video Game that Changed Sports by Scott Howard-Cooper
In collaboration with Sport Magazine & PlayersTV, Andy chats with author Scott Howard-Cooper about his new book, BAM!: John Madden, the NFL Explosion, and the Video Game that Changed Sports; a biography exploring the remarkable life and legacy of one of football’s most unforgettable figures. From his Super Bowl-winning coaching career with the Oakland Raiders to his larger-than-life presence in the broadcast booth, John Madden helped transform how America watched and understood the game. Andy & Scott discuss the impact & character of the great John Madden, the creation of the Madden video game, his advocacy for player safety, and the unlikely journe...
John McDonough & Sport Magazine
In collaboration with Sport Magazine & PlayersTV, Andy chats with fellow legend of photography - John McDonough! This episode features two of the world's top sports photographers talking shop and sharing the back stories to some of their most iconic shots! In a career spanning 40+ years, John covered nearly every major sporting event in the world, primarily for Sport and then Sports Illustrated! Andy & John discuss his start in the business of photojournalism, his Sport Magazine cover shoots with the likes of Bo Jackson, Lyle Alzado, George Brett & Pete Rose, sharing the NBA court together for many years, the importance of st...
Coaches Marianne Stanley & Charles Smith
In our final episode from the 2026 Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Enshrinement festivities, Andy sits down with two legendary coaches - Marianne Stanley & Charles Smith! First, Andy chats with double Hall of Famer Marianne Stanley to chat about presenting for Hall of Fame inductee Elena Delle Donne, coaching Old Dominion at only 23 years old, the many players from Philadelphia, her connections with fellow inductees Candace Parker & Chamique Holdsclaw, and more! NEXT, Andy chats with coach Charles Smith about reliving his enshrinement moment as a high school basketball coach, being presented by Joe Dumars, how he spots talent as a co...
Leah Wilcox
Andy sits down with this year's John W. Bunn Lifetime Achievement Award Recipient - NBA Vice President & Commissioner's Office Liaison, Leah Wilcox! Leah is the first African-American female Vice President in the NBA! Andy & Leah discuss the honor, her path to the NBA, her role as player liaison to the Commissioner's Office, working with the late commissioner David Stern, her involvement with the WNBA, and more!
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NBA Referees Joey Crawford, Bob Delaney & Zach Zarba
Andy returns with more from the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Enshrinement Ceremony! This week, Andy chats with current and former NBA Referees - Joey Crawford, Bob Delaney, & Zach Zarba! First, Andy chats with newly inducted referee Joey Crawford about the honor, choosing Dan Crawford & Rod Thorn as his presenters, fellow inductee Doc Rivers, stories from the court, and more! Next, Andy chats with Bob Delaney about Joey Crawford's induction, and his work in PTSD research! Finally, Andy & Zach discusses the craft of officiating, learning from Joey Crawford, referee personalities of the past, lessons from the court, and more!<...
Dawn Staley & Ruthie Bolton
We're back with more from the 2026 Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Enshrinement Ceremonies! Andy chats with two teammates from the newly inducted 1996 USA Olympic Gold Medal Women's Basketball Team - Dawn Staley & Ruthie Bolton! The 1996 team went undefeated (8-0) in the Olympics in Atlanta that year, with a staggering 60-0 record during their year-long international exhibition tour. Andy chats with the two women about the accomplishment, fun memories from the team's amazing run, the Gold Medal game, the pressure to perform with TWO new leagues forming (ABL & WNBA), and more!
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Doc Rivers & Mike Fratello
Andy is back from the 2026 Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony! First, Andy chats with new inductee Doc Rivers about his induction, being drafted by the Atlanta Hawks, being coached by Mike Fratello, coaching the 2008 Celtics Championship team, as well as being presented by Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce & Ray Allen! NEXT, Andy chats with this year's Curt Gowdy Media Award winner, Mike Fratello, about the award, coaching a rookie Doc Rivers, his many years as a part of the Clippers broadcast team, and more!
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Amar'e Stoudemire, Mike D'Antoni, & Jerry Colangelo
We're back for more from the 2026 Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony! Andy chats with three legendary Phoenix Suns - Amar'e Stoudemire, Mike D'Antoni, & Jerry Colangelo! First, Andy chats with 2026 inductee Amar'e Stoudemire about his induction, his tenure with the Suns, being coached twice by Mike D'Antoni in PHX & NY, and the Knicks championship run. Next, Andy & coach D'Antoni discuss his 2026 induction, coaching Amar'e & Steve Nash in his 7-seconds or less offense, Bob McAdoo, coaching the world's greatest for Team USA Basketball, as well as coaching once rival Kobe Bryant during his achilles injury season. Finally, Andy & Jerry...
WNBA Legends Candace Parker & Cheryl Miller
Straight from the 2026 Naismith Memorial Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony! Andy sits down with two of the most influential women in basketball - Candace Parker & Cheryl Miller! First, Andy & Candace discuss her induction into the Hall of Fame as part of the 2026 enshrinement class, the influence of the 96' Olympic team, why she chose Allen Iverson as a presenter, the state of the WNBA, and more! Next, Andy & Cheryl discuss Candace's induction, their first meeting at a shoot for Women's Sports Magazine, a controversial photoshoot that was never released, the current state of the WNBA, the influence of the 96' Olymp...
Filmmaker Thanasis Petrakis
Andy invites filmmaker Thanasis Petrakis to talk all about his new documentary, Open Book: The Scandal That Shook College Basketball. The documentary follows former University of Arizona assistant basketball coach Emanuel "Book" Richardson, which details his rise in player development, and the fallout from his arrest after an explosive 2017 FBI college basketball corruption investigation.
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The Ringer's Howard Beck & LA Times' Brad Turner | NBA Summer League 2026
Andy is back for more at NBA Summer League to sit down with The Ringer's Howard Beck, and the LA Times' Brad Turner! First, Andy & Howard discuss why he loves The Ringer, his transition from print to multimedia, his involvement with NBA Summer League's Sports Business Classroom, and the current parity in the NBA. Next, Andy & Brad discuss their early years at NBA Summer League, how Kobe Bryant's broken hand his rookie year led to the Lakers signing Brian Shaw, the Kawhi Leonard situation, Adam Silver's mission to expand to Europe, and Brad's history covering the Lakers!
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Legends of Basketball President Antonio Davis
We're kicking off season 9 at NBA Summer League in Las Vegas! Andy takes the show on the road to the Thomas & Mack Center to sit down with former NBA'er and current President of Legends of Basketball, Antonio Davis! Antonio talks about his decision to play in Europe for three years before returning to the Indiana Pacers, his current role as President of Legends of Basketball (formerly the Retired Basketball Players Association), the decision to rebrand the organization, his pivot from court to executive, The Spencer Haywood Rule, Nancy Lieberman, his Oakland pedigree, playing with Tim Hardaway Sr., his favorite pic...
FC Dallas' Shaq Moore
It's a World Cup BONUS episode! Andy chats with FC Dallas' right-back and former United States Men's National Team star, Shaq Moore! Shaq discusses the USA vs Bosnia and Herzegovina match, growing up a huge Dwyane Wade fan in South Florida, indoor soccer, playing against Lionel Messi, his path to playing for U.S. Soccer, scoring the fastest goal in USMNT history, Team USA's chances in the World Cup, Giannis Antetokounmpo to the Miami Heat, and more!
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CJ Miles
In our final episode leading into NBA Summer League 2026, Andy chats with former NBA star CJ Miles! CJ discusses being drafted out of Skyline High School by the Utah Jazz, training camp experience as a rookie, learning from vets Derron Williams & Kyrie Irving, his first time guarding Kobe Bryant, getting the opportunity to tell Kobe Bryant what he meant to him, his "Welcome to the NBA" moment in Summer League, and his love for photography!
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Portland Trail Blazers' Dr. Courtney Watson
In our third episode of a series leading into NBA Summer League 2026, Andy chats with Portland Trail Blazers Director of Health and Player Performance, Dr. Courtney Watson! Dr. Watson discusses her time with the LA Sparks as Head Athletic Trainer, the growth of the WNBA, her path to the WNBA & NBA, learning from the great Lakers Head Trainer Gary Vitti, her time with NBA Summer League, working with Floyd Mayweather, her experience at the 2024 Olympics, and her Court's Corner LA Sports Medicine internship program!
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Milwaukee Bucks PF Kyle Kuzma
In our second episode of a series leading into NBA Summer League 2026, Andy chats with 10-year NBA vet & current Milwaukee Bucks Power Forward, Kyle Kuzma! Kyle discusses his path to the University of Utah, his draft night experience being selected by the Nets and traded to the Lakers, his experience leading the Lakers to the 2017 Summer League championship as the Championship Game MVP, his experience winning the 2020 NBA Title in the bubble, his love for fashion, and the Kyle Kuzma Family Foundation!
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Langston Galloway
Andy chats with former NBA player & current guard for Esenler Erokspor, Langston Galloway, in this first episode of a series leading into NBA Summer League 2026! Andy & Langston discuss his road to the NBA going undrafted out of St. Joseph's University, how his NBA Summer League experience advanced his career, playing under Phil Jackson & Derek Fisher for the New York Knicks, playing in the NBA Finals as apart of the Phoenix Suns in 2021, playing for Reggio Emilia in Italy, playing against Kobe Bryant in his final year, his love for shoes, & his own shoe company Ethics The Brand!
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Toronto FC's Steven Beitashour
Andy chats with soccer legend and current Toronto FC assistant coach, Steven Beitashour! Andy & Steven discuss their first meeting during LAFC's inaugural season, Kobe Bryant's Mamba Mentality, his path from college to pro, playing for the domestic treble winning Toronto FC team in 2017, his move from Toronto FC to LAFC, playing for the Iranian National team, Andy's shot of LAFC's first ever goal, thoughts on this year's World Cup, and more!
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Robert Horry aka "Big Shot Bob"
Andy talks with 7x NBA Champion Robert Horry aka "Big Shot Bob"! Rob talks about his first ever NBA Finals experience on the Houston Rockets, playing alongside "The Dream" Hakeem Olajuwon, comparing Hakeem/Drexler and Kobe/Shaq duos, being a key part of the 3-peat Lakers era, Coach Pop's militaristic coaching style in San Antonio, being selected 11th overall by the Houston Rockets, Summer League, his son CJ's college career, the great Jerry West, and his broadcasting career!
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Dave Hobrecht | Legends of Art
In our next collaboration with Sport Magazine & PlayersTV, Andy takes the show back to the Legends Attic in Claremont, CA to chat with world renowned black & white artist, Dave Hobrecht! Andy & Dave discuss his new book "The All-Time Dodgers Art Book" in collaboration with legendary sports executive Ned Colletti, the genesis of the Legends Attic with Orel Hershiser, his "Splatter Booth", using photography for inspiration, Dave's portrait of Andy's Kobe Bryant photo, the hidden storage closet at Dodgers Stadium, memories of Sport Magazine, and more!
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Over 60 Years of Photography with Michael Zagaris | Legends of Photography
In our next collaboration with Sport Magazine & PlayersTV, Andy sits down with legendary photographer Michael Zagaris! Michael discusses his start in shooting the San Francisco Giants, 53 years of covering the SF 49ers, his iconic behind-the-scenes style of shooting, warming his hands with mustard while working in Candlestick Park, his Sport Magazine cover shoot with SF Giants' Will Clark, his close working relationships with stars like Ricky Henderson, Frank Sinatra hanging out in the Giants' locker room, covering Barry Bonds, as well as Ken Griffey Jr. & Randy Johnson's new found careers in photography!
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Matt Painter & Cori Close | 2026 Wooden Awards
We're back with more from the 2026 Wooden Awards! Andy sits down with this year's Legends of Coaching honor winners - Purdue men's basketball head coach Matt Painter, and UCLA women's basketball head coach Cori Close! First, Coach Painter reflects on the honor, the religion of basketball in Indiana, his love for the history of the game, thoughts on NIL deals, Coach John Wooden - the player, competitive spirit, and more! Next, Coach Close discusses the UCLA/USC rivalry, Coach Wooden's pyramid of success, why the women's game has grown in popularity, the impact of team sports on life success, and...
Marques Johnson & Seimone Augustus | 2026 Wooden Awards
Andy takes the show on the road to the 2026 Wooden Awards to catch up with two former Wooden Award winners and basketball legends - Marques Johnson & Seimone Augustus! First, Andy & Marques talk about John Wooden's emphasis on adaptability, his years with the Clippers, playing alongside/against Bill Walton, dunking a basketball on his 70th birthday, the evolution of the game, hosting his podcast Hear District alongside his son Kris, being apart of the only father-son duo to win a National Championship from the same school, and as well as his sobriety journey! Next, Andy & Seimone discuss her epic Hall of...
Dodgers Legend Orel Hershiser "The Bulldog"
In our first collaboration with Sport Magazine & PlayersTV, Andy chats with legendary Los Angeles Dodgers pitcher & broadcaster, Orel Hershiser, right from his Legends Attic in Claremont, CA! Orel discusses the fun-loving nature of the great Fernando Valenzuela, counting Tommy Lasorda's curse words with a pitch clicker, his emergency appendectomy one week before spring training ahead of the '88 season, winning the Sport Magazine World Series MVP in '88 & the wild ceremony that followed in New York, his transition into the booth, tips he received from broadcasting legends Vin Scully & Al Michaels, the longevity of LeBron James, the unprecedented skill of...
Celebrating the 10th Anniversary of Kobe Bryant's Storybook Final Game with Jason Zone Fisher
This week's special episode commemorates the 10 year anniversary of Kobe Bryant's final game on April 13, 2016. Andy hands the mic over to veteran host and good friend Jason Zone Fisher to discuss how Andy documented that historic day every step of the way with Kobe. Starting in his office in the early morning to game prep, final pregame intro, made-for-Hollywood 60 point performance, final walk off the court, "Mamba Out" mic drop, star studded audience, post game festivities and more.
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Elsa Garrison | Legends of Photography
Andy chats with sports photographer, Elsa Garrison! Elsa was the first female staff photographer hired at Getty Images with a career spanning over 30 years! Andy & Elsa discuss her Jack Hughes toothless Gold Medal photo from the 2026 Winter Olympics, her poignant and beautiful photo of Kobe & Gigi Bryant, her path into photography, fellow sports photographer John McDonough, how she separates herself from other photographers, and more!
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Tal Brody aka "Mr. Basketball"
Andy chats with Israeli basketball legend, Tal Brody, aka "Mr. Basketball"! Andy and Tal discuss his nomination for the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, growing up in New Jersey, the enlightening trip to Israel that altered his path from the NBA to Maccabi Tel Aviv, the dynamic growth of basketball in Israel, commissioner David Stern's impact in the globalization of the sport, his impact on the growth of basketball in Israel, Project Max's fight against racism, intolerance and anti-semitism, and so much more!
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Dodgers President & Co-Owner Stan Kasten
Andy speaks with President & Co-Owner of the back-to-back World Series Champion Los Angeles Dodgers, Stan Kasten! Andy & Stan discuss their shared history over the years, Stan's path to the Atlanta sports scene (from the Hawks, to Braves, & Thrashers), the story behind his group's acquisition of the Dodgers, the mystique of Dodgers Stadium, the Dodgers' current high-spending model, Clayton Kershaw's HOF career, watching the magic of Shohei Ohtani, his group's interest in the Lakers & PWHL, lessons from his parents who survived the Holocaust, and much more!
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Chuck Cooper III
Andy chats with author Chuck Cooper III, son of NBA Hall of Famer, Chuck Cooper! Chuck became the first African-American athlete to be drafted into the NBA, when he was selected by the Boston Celtics in 1950. Andy & Chuck discuss his father's legacy as a pioneer of the sport, how his time the Harlem Globetrotters helped break the color barrier in the NBA, his aspirations to play in the NBA growing up, dealing with racism in the 1950s, his legacy on the court as a prolific all-around player and rebounder, passing away in 1984 at the young age of 57, his community outreach...
LA Sports Legend Jim Hill
Andy chats with legendary LA sportscaster and former NFL player, Jim Hill! Andy and Jim discuss their shared history on the courts/turf together, the prank that lead to his broadcasting career, his love for the craft of radio, being drafted by the Chargers in 1968, the importance of working hard, their shared love of covering Kobe Bryant, why Pat Riley is a statue-worthy coach, how his real passion for golf came from Earl Woods, giving back, encouraging the next generation, and !
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Amar'e Stoudemire
Andy chats with 2026 Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Finalist - Amar'e Stoudemire! Andy and Amar'e discuss his HOF nomination, his decision to go to the NBA right out of high school, playing for the stacked 2006-07 Phoenix Suns team, the Suns' training camp in Italy, great coaching mentors like Mike D'Antoni, Phil Jackson & Pat Riley, playing in Israel, his religious path, speaking out against anti-semitism, the Amar'eStoudemire Foundation, his Uncut Gems connection, playing against Kobe Bryant in the 2007 NBA playoffs, and more!
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Showtime Laker Legends Byron Scott & A.C. Green | Faith Connection Sport
Andy sits alongside Showtime Laker Legends Byron Scott & A.C. Green at the inaugural Faith Connection Sport event at Sinai Temple to kick off NBA All Star Weekend in Los Angeles! The group discusses their respective spiritual journeys, how their faith intersects with their professional lives, personal nicknames for each other, how the Showtime era Lakers bonded through tough times, how their brotherhood has continued through the years, the 10 year anniversary of Kobe Bryant's final game, as well as a Q&A session from the audience!
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Bobby Marks, Boki Nachbar, Tommy Sheppard | NBA All-Star Week
LIVE from 2026 NBA All-Star Week in Downtown Los Angeles! Andy chats with NBA exec Tommy Sheppard, former NBA & EuroLeague star Boki Nachbar, & ESPN's NBA Front Office Insider Bobby Marks! Andy chats with each about the NBA Summer League / Sports Business Classroom event at All-Star Week, and their mission to cultivate the next generation of sports executives!
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The Art of Sport: A conversation with muralist Jonas Never at the SPARC Gallery
Andy takes the show on the road to The Art of Sport show at the SPARC Gallery! Andy discusses his collaboration with the painter Taura, and sits down with Artist/Muralist Jonas Never to discuss his path into becoming an artist, his baseball background, the genesis of his Kobe murals, the outpouring of murals around the world, doing art in public, his connection with Dodgers Joe Kelly & Justin Turner, as well as a Q&A at the end!
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"The Last Original Ranger of New York" by Bryan Reilly
Andy chats with author Bryan Reilly about his new novel, The Last Original Ranger of New York. In his fictional account of the New York Rangers inaugural season in 1926-27, Bryan weaves the real life tale of the Rangers first season, including descriptive accounts of hockey and life in the 1920s, honoring the unsung heroes of the day. Andy & Bryan discuss the genesis of the novel, why he decided to take a fictional route, how the Rangers survived through the years, Mark Messier, the many forgotten players from the era, and more!
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Getty Images Global VP Carmin Romanelli | IMPACT Institute's Miami Sports & Entertainment Conference
Andy is back with more from the IMPACT Institute's Miami Sports & Entertainment Conference! This week, Andy chats with long-time friend and colleague, Carmin Romanelli, Global VP of Sports Business Development for Getty Images! Andy and Carmin discuss the genesis of NBA Photos, the expansion of NBA Entertainment, the industry transition from analog to digital, the marriage of Getty Images and NBA Photos, and more!
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