DarkHorse Podcast
The DarkHorse Podcast is hosted by Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying. Bret and Heather both have PhDs in biology, and they seek truth and explore a wide variety of topics with their evolutionary toolkit as society loses its footing. Tune in to infamous spreaders of "Covid Disinformation" Bret and Heather for a podcast—maybe you'll like what you see!
Honoring Charlie Kirk: The 295th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we give a tribute to Charlie Kirk: who he was, how he engaged with people, and what we lost when we lost him. Kirk was a patriot, a Christian, a husband and a father, and believed in the humanity of all people. Then, for the living: regenerative agriculture, Polyface Farm, and the rejection of Big Ag in favor of real food and community.
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We are waking up, but at a terrible price: The 294th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss MAHA, vaccines, Covid, autism, and ostriches. Senator Ron Johnson held a hearing on the corruption of science, at which Jake Scott (MD), Toby Rogers (PhD), and lawyer Aaron Siri testified about vaccine safety testing and the relationship between vaccines and autism. The new MAHA Strategy report attributes poor diet, aggregation of environmental chemicals, lack of physical activity, chronic stress, and overmedicalization to the decline in children’s health. Meanwhile, people who have been fooled by the fear campaign celebrate getting their newest Covid boosters. And in Canada, ostriches are at risk of being killed because of a...
Staring Down Ignoble Lies: The 293rd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss RFK Jr. the CDC, autism and trans activism. Kennedy revealed this week that in 2002, the CDC destroyed data that showed that children who got the MMR vaccine before 36 months of age had far higher rates of autism than did those who get the vaccine later in life. An HHS report will soon be released that ties Tylenol use during pregnancy to autism—what does this tell us about past public health advice, safety and risk? How can we all become better at pattern recognition? Florida Surgeon General Joe Ladapo is moving away from vaccine mandates for al...
The Plot Against Kennedy: The 292nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss the dust-up at the CDC, in which RFK Jr. fires the new director, after which other CDC officials resign, and eight former directors of the CDC pen a letter to the New York Times (as does Bernie Sanders) arguing that Kennedy is a hazard to our health. This follows a reveal from months ago that industry was collaborating to get rid of Kennedy. Also: What does Trump now think of Operation Warp Speed? How has industrialization affected our health? How are the words “vaccine” and “terrorist” being used in Orwellian ways? Is Kennedy a secret eugenicist, or is he...
Freedom, Tyranny, and Childhood Lost: The 291st Evolutionary Lens w/ Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying

Today we discuss childhood, fitness, and self-defense; the through-line is freedom. First up: Illinois has become the first state in the Union to mandate mental health screening for children in grades 3 – 12, so that conditions from trauma to anxiety can be detected early. How mandatory will these screenings be? How confidential? What is anxiety, and why are children better off learning to experience and solve their own anxiety, than to be coddled at every turn? We argue that anxiety—like pain, and sadness—are signals from your brain and body that should be listened to rather than erased. Also: childhood is a t...
What AI Will Do to Humanity: Forrest Maready on DarkHorse

Bret Weinstein speaks with Forrest Maready on the subject of the dual nature of AI, discussing both its potential benefits and risks, particularly in relation to human suffering, dependency, and the evolving concept of truth.
Find Forrest Maready on X at http://x.com/forrestmaready and his website http://forrestmaready.com.
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Where has all the science gone? The 290th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we are all over the map. First: Elon, AI, and humanoid robots, with discussion of sex, the industrial revolution, specialization, the Pleistocene, feminism, men’s work, porn, clankers, and vaping. Obviously. Then: are there differences between moral panics and social contagions, and is the current focus on pedophilia one or both? Finally: how widespread is fraud in science? It’s not rare, and not merely the result of bad actors. Taking a game theoretic approach, authors of new research suggest that many scientists are defecting from honest scientific work for rational reasons.
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Escaping Your Lane: The 289th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss the reasons not to stay in your lane, wildlife in the Pacific Northwest, and whether Americans want a handout, or to be left alone. First: Bret responds to critique from Geert Vanden Bossche on his characterization of intramuscular vaccines and their capacity to produce mucosal immunity. Then: how science discovers reality, the risks of reductionism, and a hypothesis that generalists are more immune to corruption than specialists. Then: bald eagles and foxes compete to scavenge seal meat on the shores of the Salish Sea. Meanwhile in Canada, people are told they can’t go into the wo...
No Klan Do: Daryl Davis on DarkHorse

Bret Weinstein speaks with Daryl Davis on his experience engaging with members of the KKK, emphasizing the importance of dialogue, empathy, and understanding in breaking down barriers.
Find Dary Davis at https://daryldavisspeaking.com and on X at https://www.x.com/realdaryldavis
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Kennedy, Pharma, and the Battle over mRNA: The 288th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss the cancellation of mRNA vaccine contracts by Secretary Kennedy. What are the risks, are they as limited as he suggests, and what can we look forward to from this technology in the future? Conversation includes Covid and the Covid shots, repurposed drugs, and the nature of science and knowledge. What does it mean for a claim to be credible—socially, or analytically? What does MAHA stand for, are their limits to hypernovelty, and how can we return to a more ancestral environment?
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Dangers of the mental multiverse: The 287th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss “gender affirming surgeries”, AI and the future of cognition, and wild foxes. Kaiser Permanente is pausing surgery on trans-presenting children—we discuss sex and gender, meaning and identity, delusion and madness. Then: unlike the physical multiverse, mental multiverses are common, and becoming more so, as AI makes it ever more difficult to know what is true. We discuss grief, and how our worlds must fork when we think, but do not know, that someone has died. Similarly, when events are unclear—who was responsible for the death of President Kennedy in 1963? Are aliens visiting Earth—we must keep...
Can we have your liver? The 286th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss organ donation, and parenting in the animal world. Organ donation: how can we modify incentives so that people who need organs have a good chance of getting them, but people with healthy organs are never sent to an early death because their organs are valuable? Then: a natural history primer on parental care and feeding ecology of some local mammals and birds. What can be learned from observing the successful parenting of both barn swallows and red foxes?
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The Truth About Nazi Doctors: A Conversation with Dr. Jonathan Hudson and Dr. Michael S. Bryant

Bret Weinstein speaks with Dr. Jonny Hudson and Dr. Michael S. Bryant on the subject of Nazi doctors.
Dr. Jonny Hudson has a PhD in Holocaust and Genocide Studies and Dr. Michael S. Bryant has a PhD in Modern European History and is a Professor of History and Legal Studies at Bryant University. He is also the author of “Confronting the ‘Good Death’: Nazi Euthanasia on Trial, 1945-53” and Nazi "Crimes and their Punishment."
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The Leverage Economy: The 285th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss Epstein, Trump, MAGA, and how we know what we think we know. The actual economy exists, as does the attention economy; now Bret introduces a new term: the leverage economy. This implies that there is a commodity that we cannot see, which can be used to coerce players to act in certain ways. We see evidence of this in academia, in the news, and in politics. Discussion includes data mining, conspiracy, and whether Trump will pick up neocons as he loses some of his base.
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YouTube Backs Down: The 284th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss YouTube, flash floods, science, and Epstein. First: a head injury explains our late start, but all is fine. Then: four years after being demonetized by YouTube, both of our channels have been remonetized. Why were we demonetized in the first place, and what did we refuse to do to get back in the good graces of YouTube? Also: flash floods are often tragic, but does it inherently follow that they are due to anthropogenic climate change? Similarly, does not believing that mRNA shots will work against Covid mean that you don’t believe in Covid? Finally: tw...
The Truth About Real ID: Twila Brase, RN, PHN on DarkHorse

Bret Weinstein speaks with Twila Brase, RN, PHN on the subject of Real ID and why there is cause for concern, especially for medical freedom.
Find Twila Brase on X at x.com/twilabrase and at http://refuserealid.org.
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When Good and Evil Collide: The 283rd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss sex and vaccines, reality and renegades. First: men can no longer compete in women’s sports—from Trump’s Executive Order, to the NCAA’s response, to William “Lia” Thomas having his records rescinded at Penn, reality is prevailing. Other evidence includes the UK Supreme Court declaring that “man” and “woman” refer to biological reality; and the U.S. Supreme Court writing an opinion that forcing LGBTQ+ books on children in public elementary schools is unconstitutional. Men cannot magically turn into women, nor boys into girls, no matter what they believe or are told. Then: from the ACIP (Advisory C...
Transcending Health: The 282nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss MAHA, wearables, health, and Israel. RFK Jr. announced that he hopes that in four years, all Americans will be wearing health tracking devices. What are the implications for individual health? Is hypothesis-driven science being undermined? Will equity be used as a way to force this on people? What should we think of the fact that Casey Means, the nominee to Surgeon General, has a company that incorporates wearables? What does Yuval Noah Harari have to tell us? Does having your data uploaded to the cloud seem like a good idea? There seem to be two very...
Is James Lindsay Wrong About the 'Woke Right'?

James Lindsay has been in the “hot seat” for the last nine months over using and promoting the idea that there is a “woke right.” Bret Weinstein sits down with James for a special DarkHorse intervention. Joining them in Palm Springs is their friend and filmmaker, Michael Nayna.
Find James Lindsay on X at https://x.com/ConceptualJames and on https://newdiscourses.com.
Find Michael Nayna on X at https://x.com/mikenayna and on https://www.michaelnayna.com.
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Fooled Again? The 281st Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss war, regime change, cyber-attacks, libertarianism, and driving. In what ways are Israel’s attack on Iran reminiscent of events from the past? Are the neo-cons back, or did they never go away? It would seem that we are being frog-marched to war. Speaking of destabilization: North America's largest publicly traded wholesale distributor of natural foods (UNFI) was hacked, leaving market shelves empty at tens of thousands of stores. In better news: Bret returned from FreedomFest, and provides a report, and discusses his model for Libertarianism 2.0. And: Matthew Crawford on why we drive. Which is better: horses or...
Putting COVID to the Smell Test: Neil Oliver on DarkHorse

Bret speaks with Neil Oliver on the subject of the fatigue and despondency stemming from ongoing global crises, the shift from production to consumption, and the complexities of the COVID pandemic, emphasizing the need for diverse perspectives and a deeper understanding of complex systems.
Find Neil Oliver on X at: https://x.com/thecoastguy
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Babies by Design: The 280th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Today we discuss hummingbirds, baby making, longevity hacking, and Jeffrey Epstein, before finishing up with a short discussion of the riots in LA. A new company is promising future parents that they will be able to create long-lived babies—what could go wrong? Also, how likely are they to be able to make good on their promises? We discuss, as always, with an evolutionary lens. Also: what a great business model! And: it is easier to fix something that is broken than it is to improve something that works. Then: Jeffrey Epstein apparently did kill himself after all. Or di...
Pharma’s New Game: The 279th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Many topics today! First: FDA tentatively approves Moderna’s new mRNA shot for Covid. What? And also why? Bret has six main points, which include discussion of mucosal immunity, IgG4, auto-immunity, long-term consequences, statistical tricks, and homeopathy. Then: how do we know what is true, and how can we avoid jumping to conclusions when triggered by language or circumstances that seem familiar and frustrating?...As explored through the story of Algerian boxer Imane Khelif, who has a Disorder of Sexual Development, won Olympic gold for beating women, but is definitely male. Finally: brief discussions of Glenn Greenwald, and Richard Da...
Wisdom of the Ancients: Dr. Robert Clancy on DarkHorse

Bret Weinstein speaks with Emeritus Professor Robert Clancy AM on the subject of mucosal immunology.
Find Dr. Clancy at The University of New Castle Australia: https://www.newcastle.edu.au/profile/robert-clancy
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The Real Matrix: The 278th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

We begin with the HHS announcement that Covid shots will no longer be recommended to healthy children and pregnant women. What does healthy mean? And what are the conditions that provide release from liability for vaccine makers? Then, a discussion of kinds of immunity, and how vaccines are best delivered depending on how disease is transmitted. We compare what was claimed about the shots (they stop transmission!), and what Pfizer later admitted (that they did not know if the shots stopped transmission—but they had to move at the “speed of science”!). Also, a discussion of how to kill your p...
The Mucus Mystery: Dr. Lon Jones, DO on DarkHorse

Bret speaks with Dr. Lon Jones, DO on the subject of the mismatch between modern humans and the environment they live in.
Find Dr. Lon Jones, DO at https://commonsensemedicine.org
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Occam’s Sledgehammer: The 277th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

It’s Prostate Week in Podcastistan: what happens when an MRI scan for prostatitis includes the injection of rare earth metals—should you, or shouldn’t you? Gadolinium crosses the blood-brain barrier if the barrier is not fully intact—does that affect your decision? Then: a letter from an MD-PhD student at Harvard prompts musings on the federal funding of science, what science is for, how complicit universities and many scientists have been for years, and what to do. Also: uterine transplants for “trans women.”
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Anarchism Cataclysm: Michael Malice on DarkHorse

Bret speaks with Michael Malice about the vaccine injured, the importance of continuing to seek answers about what happened during COVID, and the topic of anarchism.
Find Michael Malice on X at https://x.com/michaelmalice
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Report from the Foxhole: The 276th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

What happens when we commodify nature? The natural world is not doing well, and is not put here to do with as we want. How can we learn to appreciate nature, and environment, without jumping to conclusions about what is happening, or picking sides in an ideological battle that has nothing to do with actual wild nature? Also: how are DOGE cuts affecting scientists? Four people profiled in Science magazine reveal that some good science is being hit with chaos and uncertainty—but also that a lot of “science” funding that has been cut was suspect, at best.
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By Any Means Necessary? The 275th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Is MAHA under threat? If so, what is the nature of the threat? Following the nomination of Casey Means for Surgeon General, MAHA on-line has polarized: is she a Manchurian candidate, or is she what she appears? If she is what she appears, is her lack of focus on vaccine safety cause for concern? What is the value of experience, clinical and otherwise, in developing wisdom? How can MAHA, a movement forged in fire, maintain strength and rigor as the conditions change?
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Misinformed Consent: The 274th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

What’s in our medicines? There are active ingredients, and there are excipients, which is everything else. From colorants to emulsifiers to adjuvants, excipients hide many horrors, and it’s not even possible to know which ones are in your meds (or foods). Dairy that has been fortified with vitamins A & D also has seed oils and emulsifiers, but those things aren’t on the label. The government database that should have all the information is full of errors. Polysorbate 80, a common emulsifier in food and drugs, is so complex that it hasn’t been fully characterized, and is known to...
Mad Scientists: The 273rd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

The middle ground scramble continues. Elites redefine their positions as if they had it right all along, and explain why they definitely need to be in charge of more stuff. We have been waiting for the reckoning; instead we are getting the anti-reckoning. Herein: how science isn’t done, why the scientific method is for everyone, and evidence that most who consider themselves elite don’t understand science. Also: the UK is moving forward with plans to dim the sun, because apparently we learned nothing from Covid, and informed consent is optional.
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Rise of the Cosplaymanauts: The 272nd Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

This week in women: the UK Supreme Court declares that transwomen are not women, and women are lauded for putting on matching jumpsuits and being launched into space for a minute. In Britain, rapists can no longer pretend to be women; in the United States, we are asked to celebrate one of the oldest plays in the book—attractive woman attaches herself to wealthy man and attains power—and pretend that it represents female empowerment, while conveniently forgetting actually skilled women who have come before. Also: a hostage situation in Podcastistan: in which we explore the strange about-face of some...
The Power of Principles: Tom Bilyeu on DarkHorse
Bret Weinstein speaks with Tom Bilyeu on the subject of consciousness, philosophy, and the scientific method. They discuss the importance of a conscious approach to life, the utility of principles in achieving goals, and the challenges of navigating novelty in a rapidly changing world.
Find Tom Bilyeu on Youtube at https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu and on X at https://x.com/tombilyeu.
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There’s a New Tariff In Town: The 271st Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

Tariffs, Trump, AI, nature, and science. Are the tariffs insane, or brilliant? Will Trump actually bring manufacturing back to the U.S.? How are the “reciprocal tariffs” calculated, what game is everyone playing, and how long will it take to know who wins? Then: AI marches us further into the Cartesian Crisis; can we restore our humanity? Scientific American claims that too much nature is bad for you (it’s not), and finally, some words from County Highway, and why we should consider being quiet and listening to Aslan.
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Unfairness and the West: The 270th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

In this week’s episode, we discuss ridiculous op-eds and letters to the editor in Nature this week, and the concept of fairness. First: gender equity for female scientists in war zones, and for women in mining. Are these laudable goals? Also: is division of labor between the sexes inherently objectionable? How does the concept of homeostasis relate to a body being given pharmaceutical interventions, a society being given equity interventions, or a government being given bureaucratic interventions? Then: level playing fields are the sine qua non of the West – they work in science, markets, politics, everything. Internet algorithms in t...
Staring Down Blackmail: Talking RFK Jr. with Charles Eisenstein

Bret Weinstein speaks with Charles Eisenstein on the subject of blackmail in American politics. They explore the complexities surrounding Zionism, the implications of antisemitism in political discourse, and the psychological mechanisms of coercion and blackmail that influence public figures.
Find Charles Eisenstein on X at https://x.com/ceisenstein and on his website at https://charleseisenstein.org.
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23andYou: The 269th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying

In this week’s episode, we discuss 23andMe – what does its impending bankruptcy mean for data security, and why did people think their genetic data were secure before the company went into bankruptcy? As we protect existing rights laid out in the Constitution, we also need to innovate new protections in a world with new threats and possibilities. Going back to what was will not be sufficient. Then: Bobby Kennedy Jr. and anti-Semitism; and Columbia University’s response to the Trump administration as it tries to hang on to $400 million dollars in annual federal funding. Finally: it’s five years si...
Deportations, Doxxing, Measles Vaccine: 268th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein & Heather Heying

In this week’s episode, we discuss the JFK assassination, deportations, DOGE, Tesla, anarchists, flu, measles, vaccines, and crunchy Moms. What do we make of the 80,000 pages of JFK files that were released yesterday? Are immigrants who are in the U.S. legally protected by the Constitution? What are they allowed to say, or think? Does anger at Elon Musk and DOGE explain the left going after Teslas? Or maybe it’s not the left at all, but anarchists. What’s up with flu this year, and should you get a flu shot? How about a measles vaccine? Did the me...
Prescription for Insanity: Laura Delano on DarkHorse

Bret Weinstein speaks with Laura Delano, the author of “Unshrunk: A Story of Psychiatric Treatment Resistance” on the subject of today’s mental health treatment and psychotropic medications.
Find Laura Delano on X at https://x.com/LauraDelano and her book, “Unshrunk: A Story of Psychiatric Treatment Resistance” at https://unshrunkthebook.com.
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