Trail Runner Nation

What if one simple idea could transform the way athletes fuel their bodies? In this episode, we explore the birth of the very first sports nutrition bar back in the 1980s—a product that forever changed performance and recovery. Can you guess what it is?

You’ll hear the story behind its creation from one of its creators, Jennifer Maxwell, from the spark of inspiration to the trial-and-error experiments that nearly derailed it. Along the way, the creators faced unexpected setbacks that tested their resolve, but ultimately paved the way for a groundbreaking innovation. More than just a sn...

What do launching into orbit and starting a grueling mountain ultra have in common? More than you might think. In this episode, we draw from Ryan Holiday’s The Obstacle Is the Way and NASA’s astronaut training to explore how familiarity—not bravado—builds confidence on the trail. Just as astronauts rehearsed every scenario to make the unknown feel routine, trail runners can train for the unexpected: long stretches without aid, bad weather, gear failures, or the mental fog of mile 90. We discuss how to simulate race conditions, build mental protocols for problem-solving, and control the factors within your gra...

In this episode of Trail Runner Nation, we reflect on the evolution of trail running and the Trail Runner Nation podcast over the past 14 years. We reflect on some clips from our very first episode, Podcast Numero Uno, published in November of 2011.  We discuss the changes in trail running gear, the importance of community and knowledge sharing, and the technological advancements that have shaped the TRN podcasting journey. The conversation highlights the significance of creating a gathering place for runners and the role of the podcast in fostering a sense of belonging within the trail running community.

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What does it mean to be a trail runner in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s—or even your 70s? How do years of pounding dirt, chasing summits, and chasing goals shape our bodies, minds, and identities?

Welcome to The Aging Athlete, a new Trail Runner Nation mini-series co-hosted by ultrarunning icon Krissy Moehl. Every 5 to 6 weeks, we’ll dive into what it looks like to grow older in this sport we love—exploring how to train smarter, fuel better, recover more intentionally, and stay motivated through the decades.

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What if the key to becoming a stronger, more resilient runner isn’t about pushing harder, but moving smarter? In this episode, we’re joined by Samuel Stow, ultramarathoner and movement coach behind Pop Running. With a background in aerospace engineering, Sam blends biomechanics, breathwork, and mindfulness to help runners reconnect with their core, activate their glutes, and move with intention. We explore how awareness, not intensity, leads to pain-free and efficient movement, both on and off the trail. Sam shares practical tips for posture, breathing, and body alignment that can transform your running experience. 

Over two years ago, we introduced the concept of Misogi—doing something so challenging it changes you—through Michael Easter’s book The Comfort Crisis - Discomfort to Reclaim Your Wild, Happy and Healthy Self. Now, we’re revisiting it with fresh eyes and deeper insights. In a world built for convenience, what does it truly mean to seek out discomfort? And how can that mindset shape us into stronger runners—and better people? Join coach, Adam Kimble, and us as we explore boredom, solitude, hunger, and the wild places that force us to grow.

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Join us as we have an insightful conversation with renowned coach Ian Sharman. We discuss how to navigate the world of running advice with a critical eye and how his coaching philosophy has evolved.  How to identify credible running advice and avoid misinformation.

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In this episode of Trail Runner Nation, cognitive neuroscientist and endurance athlete Dr. Scott Frey reveals how brain training can unlock new levels of performance for trail and ultrarunners. He explains that while most athletes focus on the physical, it’s often the brain that sets the limits—through perceived effort, cognitive fatigue, and pain signals. Dr. Frey introduces his Brain Endurance System Training (BEST), a method that combines cognitive and physical training to build mental strength and resilience. We talk about managing cognitive load, how the brain predicts fatigue, and why a mental taper can be just as impo...

What does it mean to be a trail runner in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s—or even your 70s? How do years of pounding dirt, chasing summits, and chasing goals shape our bodies, minds, and identities?

Welcome to The Aging Athlete, a new Trail Runner Nation mini-series co-hosted by ultrarunning icon Krissy Moehl. Every 5 to 6 weeks, we’ll dive into what it looks like to grow older in this sport we love—exploring how to train smarter, fuel better, recover more intentionally, and stay motivated through the decades.

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Can you get too much AJW?  This episode might answer that question.  After last week's Western States 100 Preview and Prognostication, Andy rejoins us for Audio Magazine to discuss a pouperi of topics related to trail running.  

AJW brings his trademark passion and perspective. We swap stories, debate hot takes, and share trifling and inconsequential topics we have found on the interwebs. Whether you’re grinding out a long run or just need a midweek pick-me-up, this episode delivers variety, laughs, and a whole lot of trail love.

In this annual episode, we talk about the 2025 Western States 100 with AJW and Katie Asmuth. We talk about the race’s rich history, the evolving competition in both the men’s and women’s fields, and how course knowledge and pacing strategies can make or break a runner’s day. The discussion highlights the depth of talent, the impact of weather conditions, and the notable absences that open the door for new champions. Katie shares her personal connection to the race, emphasizing the powerful sense of community that defines the ultra running world. The group makes predictions, celebrates aging athletes...

In this episode, we explore the challenges and possibilities of running after joint replacement. Joined by athletes Magda Boulet and Bob Crowley, and orthopedic surgeon Dr. John Diana, we discuss personal stories of pain, surgery, and recovery. The conversation highlights how proper medical support, strength training, and rehabilitation can enable runners to return to the sport—even after undergoing major procedures such as hip or knee replacements. We address myths around running and joint damage, emphasizing that movement, including walking, is crucial for joint health. The psychological toll of joint issues and the role of community support in recovery ar...

Can three minutes in freezing water reduce inflammation, boost testosterone, and improve your relationships?

We talk with Dr. Thomas Seager, co-founder of Morozko, about the powerful impact of cold plunge therapy on physical and mental wellness. Dr. Seager shares how cold exposure helped him overcome a midlife crisis and prostate health concerns, offering both scientific insight and personal stories. We explore how cold therapy reduces inflammation, supports testosterone levels, and activates the calming dive reflex. The conversation emphasizes the psychological benefits of ice baths, from mental resilience to improved relationships and emotional bonding. Listeners are encouraged to...

What does it mean to be a trail runner in your 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s—or even your 70s? How do years of pounding dirt, chasing summits, and chasing goals shape our bodies, minds, and identities?

Welcome to The Aging Athlete, a new Trail Runner Nation mini-series co-hosted by ultrarunning icon Krissy Moehl. Every 5 to 6 weeks, we’ll dive into what it looks like to grow older in this sport we love—exploring how to train smarter, fuel better, recover more intentionally, and stay motivated through the decades. We’ll hear from veteran runners, sports scientists, strength coaches...

At just 22 years old, Nicholas Steel is attempting to become the youngest person to complete sixteen 100-mile races in a single year—all while working full-time. In this episode, Nicholas shares what drives him to chase such an audacious goal, from his first marathon a little over a year ago to a solo Backyard Ultra and beyond. He opens up about the mental resilience it takes to keep showing up, the role of community and technology in his training, and how he balances recovery, work, and high-mileage weeks. With a “golden retriever mindset” and a deep love for nature, Nichol...

In this episode, ultra-endurance athlete Lucja Leonard recounts her transformative experience running the Arizona Monster 300, a race that pushed her beyond her limits. She talks about her essential strategies for success in ultra-running, including the importance of sleep, hydration, nutrition, and terrain research. Lucja highlights how positive self-talk, mental resilience, and a supportive community played key roles in overcoming physical and emotional challenges. Her journey from a non-athlete to a seasoned ultra-runner offers inspiration and practical insights for anyone facing extreme endurance events. The episode also explores recovery as a vital skill, the inevitability of problem-solving, and how embracing...

In this episode of Trail Runner Nation, we explore the gritty world of endurance sports with ultrarunner and guest Shannon Hogan, author of The Unforgiving Hours: the Grit, Resilience, and Perseverance at the Heart of Endurance Sports. The conversation weaves through incredible feats like the Boston Double—an underground marathon challenge—and the icy realm of cold water swimming, examining the physical and mental resilience these sports demand. Shannon shares powerful stories from her book, reminding us that endurance is less about podiums and more about perseverance, preparation, and inner drive. They highlight the deeply personal nature of endurance, the r...

To really understand who we are as a running community—What drives us, what connects us, and why we keep pushing our limits, we have to look back. Long before ultras, Strava segments, or finish-line belt buckles, there was pedestrianism—a 19th-century spectacle where athletes raced for six days straight inside smoky arenas, cheered on by thousands.

Our resident ultrarunning historian, Davy Crockett, is back to introduce us to one of the most unforgettable figures from that era.  Peter Napoleon Campana—better known as Old Sport.  Davy just published another book, Old Sport Campana: Ultrarunning;s Most Popular a...

We all know that nutrition is essential for peak performance—but for young athletes, it’s so much more than just fuel. In this episode, we’re joined by expert coach and author Michele Pettinger to explore how nutrition supports adolescent athletes as they navigate growing bodies, shifting hormones, academic pressures, and evolving relationships. Michele shares insights from her book on how parents, coaches, and mentors can guide youth through healthy meal planning, hydration, and recovery. We also discuss the impact of energy drinks, body image concerns, and the early signs of nutritional issues. With practical tips and a focus...

Are you fueling your endurance training the right way—or are outdated carb myths holding you back? In this episode, we’re joined by sports dietitian Bob Seebohar to explore the evolving science behind carbohydrate consumption in endurance sports. We discuss how nutrition periodization, metabolic flexibility, and gut training can transform both performance and recovery. Bob challenges the one-size-fits-all approach to sports nutrition, emphasizing the need for personalized plans that align with each athlete’s physiology and goals. From managing GI distress to optimizing glycogen storage and understanding blood sugar dynamics, this conversation dives deep into how and when to use...

What if we told you that putting yourself in controlled, uncomfortable situations—like ice baths, fasting, or extreme endurance events—could make you a better runner and a better human?

In this episode of Trail Runner Nation, Don and Scott explore the science and strategy of discomfort, challenging the idea that comfort is always the goal. They discuss how modern “comfort culture” may actually be dulling our resilience, while ancient traditions, military training, and endurance sports all use discomfort as a tool for mental and physical growth. Ice baths become a central metaphor for controlled suffering—revealing how pain an...

What drives us to venture into the unknown—even when there’s no finish line or prize at the end? In this episode of Trail Runner Nation, we sit down with author and science journalist Alex Hutchinson to explore the ideas behind his new book, The Explorer’s Gene: Why we Seek Big Challenges, New Flavors, and the Blank Spots on the Map. From ancient Polynesian voyages to backyard adventures with his kids, Alex uncovers how the drive to explore is deeply rooted in both our biology and our upbringing. We discuss how exploration shapes personal growth, why uncertainty trigge...

This is Part 2 of a two-part series on running 200-mile races that we started last episode. We are joined again by coaches Ian Sharman and 200-mile specialist Annie Hughes to explore the rising popularity of 200-mile races. From gear selection and aid station efficiency to hydration, nutrition, and personal hygiene, they share practical tips for thriving in long-distance events. The conversation explores mental strategies for navigating low points, maintaining motivation, and the importance of breaking down goals and rewarding progress. Ian and Annie also discuss the unique challenges of 100- vs. 200-mile races, including race management, navigation, and training he...

In this episode of Trail Runner Nation, we are joined by coaches Ian Sharman and 200-mile specialist Annie Hughes to explore the rising popularity of 200-mile races. Annie shares her rapid progression from short distances to ultra races, while Ian provides expert insights on coaching, training strategies, and the mental and physical demands of extreme endurance events. The discussion covers key aspects of ultra preparation, including nutrition with real food, sleep strategies, foot care, hydration, gear selection, and mental resilience. Our coaches emphasize the importance of gradual experience, individualized training, and strategic experimentation to optimize race performance. 

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"The goal is just supposed to stretch you further."

In this episode, author and coach Matt Fitzgerald, discusses his new book launching on March 25 'Chasing Mastery: 25 Lessons to Cultivate Your Full Potential in Endurance Sports' which explores the journey of cultivating full potential in endurance sports. Matt discusses the definitions of success, the importance of motivation, and the common goals athletes pursue. He shares insights on how to achieve mastery through a developmental process and the role of coaching in nurturing athlete motivation.  He emphasizes the need for self-regulation and mastery in training, as well as the s...

Have you ever wondered what the unspoken rules of trail running are? In this episode of Trail Runner Nation, we break down some of the unspoken etiquette that keeps trail running enjoyable and safe for everyone. Coach Jimmy Dean Freeman joins us to revisit an episode on etiquette that we published in 2014. From headlamp etiquette and right-of-way rules to the dos and don’ts of using headphones on the trail. The conversation also covers handling bodily fluids, interacting with wildlife, and navigating aid stations efficiently. Proper trail etiquette is important to show respect, communication, and awareness on the trails. Tu...

What is the toughest race in the world?   According to The Nxorth, the Arrowhead 135 is a strong contender. With an average finish rate below 50%, Race Director Ken Krueger and his team have crafted an event that’s as grueling as it is rooted in old-school camaraderie and a close-knit, family-like community.

Finishers Bob Crowley and Terry Fletcher share their preparation strategies, gear tips, and experiences battling both the elements and their own limits. The discussion covers crucial topics like mental toughness, cold-weather clothing strategies, and dealing with physical challenges like blisters and trench foot. They also highlight the...

Endurance athlete, coach, nutritionist and best-selling author Matt Fitzgerald rejoins the podcast to share his journey of resilience and recovery after battling long COVID. He reflects on how the illness challenged his identity as a runner and the strategic approach he took to regain his endurance. Matt discusses his experience training for the Javelina 100 race, the mental resilience required to push through setbacks, and the lessons he’s learned about perseverance. In his upcoming book, astery - What it Means to Be 'Good' at a Sport, he also explores the role of goal-setting, mastery in running, and reframing success. With...

Are you ready to take your endurance sports mindset to the next level? In this episode we explore the book, Unbeatable Mind: Forge Resiliency and Mental Toughness to Suceed at an Elite Level, by Mark Devine.  Coach Adam Kimble joins us as we uncover the power of mental toughness, self-mastery, and preparation in running and life. We review three of the chapters and the golden nuggets that might help you from the four-step process for managing negative thoughts, discuss the role of intuition in high-stakes moments, and explain how mental clarity helps runners navigate chaos with confidence. The conversation al...

In this episode of Trail Runner Nation, we invite you to be the guest as we discuss the transformative power of running and highlight its profound impact on mental health, physical fitness, and personal growth. Through personal stories, we explore how trail running provides an escape, fosters resilience, and strengthens community connections. We also discuss the importance of mental toughness, the lessons learned through training, and how running mirrors broader life experiences.

We explore how the process of running—rather than the outcome—yields the greatest rewards, from physical transformation to spiritual connection. We challenge ourselves and the...

James Lawrence, the Iron Cowboy, joins The Nation to talk about his extraordinary journey in endurance sports, including his world-record-setting Ironman triathlons. James reflects on overcoming early struggles, the transformative power of mindset, and how embracing suffering shaped his resilience. He highlights the importance of community, gratitude, and hope, sharing emotional stories like helping a boy with cerebral palsy complete a triathlon and a profound moment on Mount Kilimanjaro. The conversation explores lessons of mental toughness, personal growth, and parenting, offering inspiration for achieving extraordinary goals. James also shares insights from his new book that hit the market on...

There is an unwritten code of ethics promoting health, respect, and community support. in trail running.  It has existed for longer than any of us.  As a tribe or community, we need to know, share, and protect this code.  Coach Jimmy Dean Freeman rejoins us after many years to help us understand part of this code.  The SoCal Coyotes running club created a short list of some of these codes.  This is not comprehensive but shares some of the tenants we all live by and enjoy.  We did an episode on this code, aka Coyote Bushido, back in 2012 and review...

In this  Ask the Coaches episode, three coaches from Sharman Ultra Coaching, Ian Sharman, Dr. Matt Laye, and Jackson Brill  bring topics that they regularly encounter with their athletes. The conversation dives into the importance of mental toughness in ultra running, offering practical training strategies and insights on managing expectations during races. 

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In this episode, we play a game of "brilliant" or "bullshit" based on ten essential skills or knowledge areas that our "guest", Chat GPT, feels that every trail runner must know.  Topics include embracing mud, barefoot running, hydration timing, and the value of technical gear, complemented by personal anecdotes and insights. The conversation highlights balancing technology with intuition, the benefits of walking technical sections, and the freedom to personalize nutrition. We also explore evolving views on stretching and the philosophy of racing oneself rather than competing with others, offering valuable takeaways for runners of all levels.

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There are so many new studies and scientific discoveries that it's tough for us runners to discern what is fact and what is fiction.  That’s why we enjoy every discussion we have with Alex Hutchinson. He dispels the fake news and brings to us the latest and greatest in athletic research in his "Sweat Science" column at OutsideOnline.com.  In this episode, we discuss a few of his recent articles on meditation, VO2max differences in gender, and how to fight muscle power as we age.

Have you ever wondered if you’re leaving free speed on the trail every time you hit a downhill? Today, we’ll show you how mastering the art of downhill running can not only save your legs but also transform your races—because downhill running isn’t just about gravity; it’s about strategy, skill, and confidence.

Coach Ian Sharman offers invaluable insights for trail and ultra runners. We discuss essential techniques to overcome fear, manage muscle fatigue, and master quick feet for navigating technical terrain safely. Ian shares strategies to turn downhill sections into race-winning opportunities, highlighti...

Are the diet myths you’ve believed holding you back from peak performance, or could eating more actually be the key to running stronger and feeling better?

In this episode, Zoë Rom and Kylee Van Horn, creators of the podcast Your Diet Sucks, explore the critical role of nutrition in endurance sports. They discuss common diet myths, the importance of individualized nutrition, and the impact of social media on body image and eating disorders among athletes. The conversation highlights why fueling for performance should take priority over aesthetics, the pitfalls of restrictive dieting, and the value of list...

Sometimes, life's greatest challenges lead to its most meaningful moments and change our lives. Dion Leonard joins The Nation to tell one of his stories that might motivate you to embrace resilience, foster kindness, and value the connections that make life extraordinary.

Ultra-runner and author Dion Leonard shares his journey through his remarkable transformation from an overweight, heavy-drinking smoker to a decorated endurance athlete. Dion shares the pivotal moments that defined his path, including a half-marathon bet that set him on the road to health and his life-changing encounter with a stray dog named Gobi during the...

Drop bags are a crucial tool for ultra runners, serving as lifelines that ensure access to essential items like hydration, nutrition, and comfort gear during long races.

TRN friend and regular guest, Krissy Moehl and Kelly Kelly Swanson join our virtual run today to discuss the use of drop bags in ultra running. Kelly is the co-host of a new podcast, Drop Bag, and creator of the Ultraplanner, a tool that can help you organize your next ultra adventure or race. They explore the logistics and planning required, sharing personal anecdotes and lessons learned from their experiences...

What happens when the chaos of touring musicianship meets the grit of ultra-running? In this inspiring episode, we welcome ultra runners, musicians, and friends Kyle Whalum, Brad Sample, and Caleb Gilbreath to share their unique journey through the Pinhoti 100 ultramarathon and beyond. The conversation explores the parallels between music and running, highlighting the importance of self-discovery, inner rhythm, and passion over competition. From battling imposter syndrome to embracing spontaneity, the guests reflect on personal growth, the beauty of simplicity, and finding harmony in life’s challenges. Their documentary Rhythm in the Darkness captures the profound connections between endurance, creativity, and...