The IT Experts Podcast

In this episode of the IT Experts Podcast, I sat down with the brilliant Fiona Challis to separate reality from the noise and give MSP owners a practical route to value. We opened with a simple viewpoint. AI is not a magic fix and it is not a toy to chase. It becomes powerful when it sits on top of clear processes, clean data, and a focused plan.

That theme runs through the whole conversation with Fiona Challis, who has spent recent years enabling partners around enterprise AI and then translating that experience for the...

Ian begins by reflecting on how mindset shapes outcomes. He shares how his own transformation began during long commutes to Heathrow Airport years ago, when he discovered the power of self-belief through learning from leaders like Tony Robbins. That journey sparked a shift in perspective, from being an employee to building a business owner mindset. The lesson is simple but profound: your body listens to what your mind tells it. If you believe you can achieve something, you probably will. If you believe you cannot, that becomes your reality too.

Many MSP owners, as Ian points out...

1. Control through clarity

When your business starts growing faster, the natural reaction is to hold on tighter. You try to stay in every detail because it feels safer. The problem is that this habit quickly turns you into the bottleneck.

The solution is targeted delegation supported by simple and clear processes. I encourage MSP leaders to split their work into three levels. The first level is low-value work that an assistant or automation can handle. The second level is management work that belongs to team leaders who take responsibility for outcomes. The third level is...

The reality is that many MSPs grow through referrals and good account management. That, in itself, is not a bad thing, but when the business matures, you can find yourself in a position where a single client represents 30, 40, even 50 percent of your revenue. They may also be one of your most profitable accounts, so the dependency is even greater. If that client gets bought, merges, or decides to build an internal IT team, you are left exposed. Worse still, if they go bust, you're not only losing revenue but also carrying the burden of licences, subscriptions, and staff wages...

Stuart and I opened the room with a simple truth. Progress comes from consistency. The Intensive works because it anchors everyone to a living plan that links a three-to-five-year vision to an annual focus and down to a current sixteen-week sprint. When owners follow the process, complete their dashboards, and show up to the weekly rhythm, results compound. The Intensive is where that discipline gets renewed. People sit with peers, compare notes, and see with fresh eyes that the next leap is in reach when the right activity happens in the right order. A major theme this time was...

Running an MSP can feel like a whirlwind of tickets, meetings, and decisions. This episode sets out a calm, workable route to operations that hum. Start with a clear plan that covers financials, growth, structure, and how each role fits. Communicate it well. Give every person a role profile, a scorecard, and clear expectations. When people know what they own and when to seek support, accountability rises, and your MSP becomes consistent and easier to lead.

One of the key themes in this conversation is how important it is to have a clear plan. Without a plan...

Over the last few days, I have had some powerful conversations with MSP owners about what really moves the needle when it comes to building a scalable and profitable business, and the truth is clear. A slick Marketing campaign will not compensate for weak processes, bottlenecks in delivery, or an MSP that still relies too heavily on the owner being needed in the day-to-day.

I share in this episode how the three key pillars of your MSP – direction and planning, building an effective and scalable team, and then sales and Marketing – need to be kept in balance. Too...

In this special episode Stuart and I take time to reflect on the milestones that have shaped our partnership, our clients, and the Growth Hub as a whole. We start right at the beginning when we first met. It was late in the Covid period and what started as a one-to-one conversation quickly turned into something much bigger. We realised that our values aligned, that our different personalities and skills would complement each other, and that together we could help more people, change more lives, and have a greater impact. That first milestone of recognising the power of working...

Phil explained that Microsoft has made Copilot a central part of its roadmap. This means MSPs cannot afford to sit back and wait. If you are not leading your clients into Copilot, someone else will. That could mean losing accounts that you have worked hard to win. Phil shared how his own business moved from experimenting with ChatGPT into fully embedding Copilot across their development and operations. By doing so, they cut development cycles down to a fraction of the time. What used to take ten days is now done in a single day. That sort of productivity gain...

We began by talking about the misconception that AI is a silver bullet that can be dropped into any MSP and instantly transform it. Jamie explained that AI on its own is like a brain in a jar, full of potential but not connected to anything. Automation on the other hand is like the hands, the part that does the work. When you combine the two, you get intelligent automation and that is where the real business value sits. The challenge for MSPs is not to get caught up in the marketing hype but to understand what AI really...

Neil is not someone who talks theory without having walked the walk. With over 30 years in the IT industry, including seven and a half years running a highly successful MSP in the East Midlands, Neil has experienced the highs, the challenges, and the pivotal moments that make all the difference when scaling a business. His MSP grew to around 300 clients, a 35-strong team, and was turning over close to £5 million by the time he exited earlier this year. Now through MSP Clarity, Neil helps other MSP owners gain the direction and focus they need to grow and scale effectively.

Neil is not someone who talks theory without having walked the walk. With over 30 years in the IT industry, including seven and a half years running a highly successful MSP in the East Midlands, Neil has experienced the highs, the challenges, and the pivotal moments that make all the difference when scaling a business. His MSP grew to around 300 clients, a 35-strong team, and was turning over close to £5 million by the time he exited earlier this year. Now through MSP Clarity, Neil helps other MSP owners gain the direction and focus they need to grow and scale effectively.

Neil is not someone who talks theory without having walked the walk. With over 30 years in the IT industry, including seven and a half years running a highly successful MSP in the East Midlands, Neil has experienced the highs, the challenges, and the pivotal moments that make all the difference when scaling a business. His MSP grew to around 300 clients, a 35-strong team, and was turning over close to £5 million by the time he exited earlier this year. Now through MSP Clarity, Neil helps other MSP owners gain the direction and focus they need to grow and scale effectively.

From the outset, we explored the pressures and mental blocks that many MSP owners face when trying to scale their business. Mark spoke openly about the fears that hold MSP leaders back, especially those "little voices" in our heads that tell us to stick with what we know. These ingrained habits often stem from childhood or past experiences and can sneak into the way we lead, even if they no longer serve us. Mark shared a great story about how, despite knowing it made little sense, he still puts his teacup away upside down because that's the way his...

Helen Sanders brings over 25 years' experience in recruitment, working closely with MSPs and tech businesses both in the UK and the US. Helen has built her reputation on helping owner-managed businesses move from frantic, last-minute hires to building confident, structured recruitment processes that allow owners to grow their teams with purpose and clarity. Her passion is helping business owners become great at hiring and creating environments where both owners and new recruits enjoy the process and stay for the long term.

One of the biggest problems we see in the MSP world is the temptation to bring...

Graham Stead knows a thing or two about MSPs. He ran his own for over 20 years before selling it in 2016, and since then he's been leading sales and marketing teams and helping other MSP owners make better decisions, build stronger habits and get more sales. It was great to hear his story and experience, but more importantly, we unpacked the very specific actions MSPs can take to improve their sales performance by changing what they do every day.

One of the first standout moments in our conversation was when I asked Graham the number one thing MSPs...

Ali Stewart has worked with hundreds of businesses, including many MSPs, guiding individuals and teams to make leadership a way of life, not a job title. She explains that leadership is not something you do now and again. It is a consistent, ongoing commitment to developing people and helping them unlock their potential. This is especially important for MSPs, where many business owners are technical by background and find themselves needing to evolve into leaders as the business grows. You start as a doer, then become a manager, and before long, the success of your MSP depends on your...

Scott Riley has worked with MSPs for over six years, helping them tighten up their security practices and take real control of their 365 tenancies. In this episode, be prepared for the shift in mindset that Scott encourages. The idea that you are too small or not interesting enough to be a target is no longer valid. The reality is that attackers are not selective. They cast a wide net. If your MSP gets breached, the damage can extend far beyond email. Your PSA, RMM, partner centre, licence platforms, password vaults, and all client environments are at risk.

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We begin with a simple truth. If you want to attract and retain A players in your MSP, you need to lead like one. Many business owners want highly engaged, proactive team members who take ownership and drive the business forward. Yet when that energy is missing, the first step is not to blame the team but to reflect on your own leadership. Julie and I explore how your team's performance is often a direct reflection of the environment you've created. A Players don't arrive fully formed. They grow in the right conditions.

Julie introduces a practical...

This particular intensive was all about amplifying capacity, a key pillar of the Scale with Confidence model. Our focus this time centred around team performance – the challenges, the frameworks, and the mindset shifts needed to build a business that works for you, not because of you. What made this event stand out wasn't just the content or the planning, but the incredible maturity and vulnerability in the room. Stuart and I both reflected on how far our clients have come. These are no longer just MSPs doing the work but these are serious business leaders taking deliberate steps to le...

Ken Roulston, a veteran of the IT industry and now self-proclaimed M&A addict, returns to share his deep insights and experience from building a £17 million MSP business through a series of successful acquisitions. Across this episode, we unpack the exact mindset, processes and practical steps MSP owners need to take when considering buying another MSP. Ken's journey is not just theory, it's real-world experience gained from multiple acquisitions, integration challenges and building long-term value. And trust me, his perspective is gold.

We kick off the conversation by tackling the question so many MSP owners wrestle with – why...

Ken Roulston brings his decades of industry experience to the table and together we explore what it really takes to get your MSP into a position where it's not only ready to be sold, but where it attracts the right buyer and achieves a fair valuation.

Ken Roulston has walked the talk. He built his own MSP from the ground up, completed six acquisitions over 12 years and ultimately sold the business in 2023 for a healthy multiple, leaving behind a highly efficient and well-oiled operation. Throughout this episode, Ken shares what truly drives value in an MSP and...

Ken Roulston brings his decades of industry experience to the table and together we explore what it really takes to get your MSP into a position where it's not only ready to be sold, but where it attracts the right buyer and achieves a fair valuation.

Ken Roulston has walked the talk. He built his own MSP from the ground up, completed six acquisitions over 12 years and ultimately sold the business in 2023 for a healthy multiple, leaving behind a highly efficient and well-oiled operation. Throughout this episode, Ken shares what truly drives value in an MSP and...

Ken Roulston brings his decades of industry experience to the table and together we explore what it really takes to get your MSP into a position where it's not only ready to be sold, but where it attracts the right buyer and achieves a fair valuation.

Ken Roulston has walked the talk. He built his own MSP from the ground up, completed six acquisitions over 12 years and ultimately sold the business in 2023 for a healthy multiple, leaving behind a highly efficient and well-oiled operation. Throughout this episode, Ken shares what truly drives value in an MSP and...

To help guide us through it all, I'm joined by someone who's been there, done it, and got the multiple to prove it, the brilliant Ken Roulston.

Now, if you haven't come across Ken before, he's a bit of a legend in the IT channel. He started his MSP from scratch in 2009 and grew it through six strategic acquisitions before selling it in 2023. What I love about Ken is he doesn't just talk about theory, he's lived the journey – from finding the right businesses to buy, navigating the risks, right through to a successful exit. And in th...

We kicked off with a discussion on how the past 12 months have felt for MSPs, and Greg was quick to point out the odd paradox we're facing. Despite global uncertainty, economic pressures, and geopolitical challenges, the MSP space is actually buoyant. Kaseya itself is growing significantly, and since around 98% of its revenue comes through MSPs, that tells us a lot about the health of the IT channel as a whole. However, while the numbers look good, the reality on the ground isn't all rosy. Some MSPs are struggling with client churn, budget cuts, and shifting customer expectations. Greg stressed...

Now before you switch off thinking budgeting is just about spreadsheets and cutting back on your coffee spend, think again. Clare Elliott walks us through why budgeting, forecasting and cashflow management are the backbone of every high-performing, profitable MSP. It's not about being an accountant. It's about stepping into your CEO role and giving yourself the tools to make better, faster decisions with confidence.

Too often MSPs fall into the trap of looking at what's in the bank and thinking that's enough. But as Clare points out, without a proper budget, you're flying blind. You might have...

The marketing space for MSPs is full of confusion. Vendors are pushing content that's really just product sales in disguise. Agencies are selling packages that might not suit your niche. And most MSPs we speak to are stuck trying to work out what to say, when to say it and who to say it to. The problem isn't a lack of effort. It's a lack of sequence. That's where this clock comes in.

We begin with step one, which is all about identifying your ideal target market. And not in a vague way. "Professional services" is not...

This one's inspired by a comment we heard recently at one of our events: "Don't let the diamonds in your business go." It struck a chord. And it got us talking about what it really takes to stop losing your best people and start building a leadership team who can genuinely help you grow – not just fix tickets or manage a few tasks. If you're an MSP owner stuck in the day-to-day firefight, unsure how to build the team around you, this one's for you.

Julie shares the mindset shift business owners need to make to move fr...

Over the years, through coaching hundreds of MSPs, one recurring pattern shows up time and again: business owners who've built something great but are now the single point of failure. You're the one the team turns to for answers. You're the one the clients call on a Saturday morning. You're the one holding everything together, and that, my friend, is both the blessing and the curse of being a committed leader. But if we don't break that cycle, we burn out, stagnate, or worse, we limit the growth of the very business we've worked so hard to build.

We had an honest and practical discussion about the current broken state of recruitment and how the smart use of AI is giving MSPs a genuine edge in finding the right people — not just the most available ones.

We kicked off with a bit of fun, noting how just using the term 'AI' in the title gets everyone's attention! But in all seriousness, the technology is no gimmick. As Dean Watmough explained, AI is now playing a pivotal role in helping MSPs find talent faster and more accurately — when used properly. Dean pointed out that AI, when appl...

It's a jam-packed episode where I'm joined by two absolute champions of the channel, Alex Harris and David Maguire, the driving force behind this standout industry event.

Let's be honest – this one's a bit of a shameless plug. But for all the right reasons. The 2025 MSP Show isn't just another exhibition – it's quickly becoming the place where MSP business owners and their teams come together to get inspired, connect with new tech, and actually have a good time doing it. Whether you came along last year or this is your first time hearing about it, this episode brea...

Or more accurately, the fear of niching. It's that internal tug-of-war between wanting more leads and being scared that if you narrow your focus, you'll somehow lose out on opportunities. So in this episode, I turned the tables and interviewed my co-host Ian Luckett, who's been doing some seriously powerful work with our clients on this very subject over the past 12 months.

Let's get this out in the open straight away – niching is not about turning people away or putting your business in a box. It's about getting clear on who you help, how you help them, an...

Now, for those of you who don't know Scott, he's been helping MSPs since 2016 after experiencing the all-too-familiar frustration of lead generation in his own MSP. As he says, once you're in the room with a prospect, it's usually straightforward to talk about tech, pain points and solutions. The hard bit? Getting in the room in the first place. That challenge became the mission behind IT Rockstars, and today Scott works with hundreds of MSPs around the world, transforming how they attract and engage new business.

The heart of our conversation was about practical, real-world tips for...

Now we all know M&A – mergers and acquisitions – can be one of the fastest ways to grow and scale your business. Once you've got your house in order, and you're running at a solid EBITDA with strong operational maturity, bolting on new businesses might seem like the logical next step. But – and it's a big but – what's often overlooked is what that really means for your people. And if your culture, leadership, and structure aren't ready, the train can very quickly come off the rails.

Alison brings a grounded, real-world view to this conversation. She's been on the f...

But is that really the end of the road, or is there something you can do to keep that client, maintain profitability, and avoid unnecessary churn? In this episode of the IT Experts Podcast, I sat down with our resident finance coach, Clare Elliott, to explore what MSPs can do when faced with clients who are reconsidering their contracts.

Clare works with MSPs every day inside the Growth Hub, helping business owners understand their numbers, optimise their pricing, and make better financial decisions. One of the key takeaways from our conversation is that if a client calls...

I'm joined by fellow MSP Growth Hub coaches Stuart Warwick, Julie Hutchison, and Clare Elliott, as we reflect on the key takeaways from our January 2025 two-day intensive.

These intensives are the cornerstone of the MSP Growth Hub's Scale with Confidence model, bringing together MSP owners and leaders to reflect, reset, and refocus on their business growth. The January event was centred around the theme of 'Harnessing Ambition'—not just setting strategic goals but ensuring they are cascaded throughout the entire organisation. This is where business owners can make real progress, ensuring their company, departments, and individuals are al...

Many MSPs start with a handful of technical people, then bolt on account management, sales, marketing, and operations as they grow. But without a clearly defined structure, this approach can create inefficiencies, miscommunication, and stalled growth. That's why we brought in Alison Whitfield from Cultivate People Services, a people and culture expert with a wealth of experience working with MSPs. Together, we unpack the essential components of structuring an MSP for growth, leadership development, and team alignment.

Alison shares her perspective on why structure is so much more than just an organisational chart or job descriptions. She compares a...

As business owners, we often pride ourselves on pushing forward, solving problems, and keeping things moving. But what happens when we don't stop to reflect? What are the hidden risks of ploughing ahead without taking a moment to reassess our strategy, our goals, and even our own leadership? Stuart and I unpack exactly that in today's conversation, and trust me, if you're an MSP looking to scale, this is something you don't want to ignore.

We all know the feeling of getting caught up in the day-to-day operations—whether it's handling client issues, managing your team, or de...

Now, if you've ever been in the frustrating position of recruiting someone you thought was perfect for the job, only to find out they're not the right fit at all, you're not alone. This happens more often than you might think, and in today's episode, we uncover exactly why MSPs keep attracting the wrong people—and more importantly, how to stop it from happening.

Julie shares a story from a recent conversation with an MSP owner who was struggling to find the right person for their team. They needed someone dynamic, open to change, and capable of ta...