The Mark Moss Show

People say Bitcoin is too volatile — and looking at today’s price action, that sounds fair. Bitcoin’s down more than 30%, fear is everywhere, and calls for another crash are getting louder. But what if Bitcoin’s volatility isn’t the problem at all? What if misunderstanding that volatility is the real reason people keep losing money every cycle?

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Ben Perrin, founder of BTC Sessions and one of the most trusted voices in Bitcoin self-custody, joins Mark Moss to break down the biggest risk facing Bitcoin holders today and it has nothing to do with price, regulation, or market crashes. In this conversation, we unpack why ETFs and custodians miss the point of Bitcoin, how self-sovereignty actually works in practice, the real dangers of custody, coercion, and privacy leaks, and what it takes to protect your Bitcoin for generations. From inheritance planning and multisig to real-world threats and everyday best practices, this episode lays out what it truly...

Mel Mattison, founder of Mott Capital Management and a veteran market strategist known for his deep focus on liquidity, positioning, and market structure, joins Mark Moss to challenge the most crowded narrative in finance today. While headlines scream crash and recession, Mel explains why markets often do the opposite of what everyone expects and how ignoring sentiment in favor of liquidity and balance sheets can reveal what’s really coming next. In this conversation, we break down why fear is already priced in, how liquidity quietly drives melt-ups, why positioning matters more than headlines, and how investors keep getting tr...

2026 is not just another year. It’s the beginning of what I believe will be the biggest wealth window of the next four years. Maybe the next decade. But here’s the truth — most people will miss it. Not because of timing… Not because of money… But because they don’t have the capacity or the systems to take advantage of the opportunity.

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Dhruv Bansal, co-founder of *Unchained Capital* and one of Bitcoin’s most original thinkers, joins Mark Moss to reveal how Bitcoin is evolving far beyond money. Known for his work on multisig, security, and Bitcoin’s deeper architecture, Dhruv explains how each layer of Bitcoin unlocks entirely new behaviors creating “beautiful surprises” that connect money, communication, time, and intelligence into a single operating system. In this conversation, the two break down how **a new digital ecosystem is forming from Bitcoin**, where markets build themselves through incentives, and where **AI agents, data, and human coordination all converge on Bitcoin’s trustless...

Most people think that Bitcoin is just having another huge drawdown or it's the start of the four year cycle drawdown. But the truth is it's way bigger. There's a hidden war that's begun between the old financial system and the new one. And the crazy part is that almost nobody sees what's really happening because the headlines, they're all screaming about price volatility.

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Matt Prusak, Chief Commercial Officer at Hut 8 Mining, joins Mark Moss to explore how America’s next economic revolution is being built on the Bitcoin standard. From Trump-linked projects to the energy infrastructure boom sweeping across the U.S., this conversation reveals how Bitcoin mining is fusing finance, industry, and freedom. They unpack why capital is leaving real estate for Bitcoin, how energy independence and sound money are converging, and why the Bitcoin standard could rebuild American prosperity from the ground up. This is the blueprint for America’s new era of growth, power, and sovereignty.

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Chris Sullivan, hedge fund manager and co-founder of Hyperion Decimus, joins Mark Moss to expose how the modern financial system quietly stripped away real ownership—and why Bitcoin may be the only asset that gives it back. With decades of experience in traditional markets, Chris breaks down how “custody chains” and legal dematerialization turned investors into creditors, setting the stage for a system where we own nothing directly. In this episode, we uncover how tokenization, regulation, and institutional capture reinforce that illusion of ownership, why the debt-based system is reaching its breaking point, and how Bitcoin stands apart as a bear...

If you've ever wondered why you're still not rich. Even though you work hard, you save money. You do everything you're told to do. This video will show you exactly why. And even better, it's going to show you how to fix this without having to work harder, without having to work longer. Because wealth doesn't just happen.

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Natalie Brunell, Emmy Award–winning journalist and host of the “Coin Stories” podcast, joins to explore how Bitcoin is reviving the core values behind the American Dream. Born in communist Poland and raised in the U.S. by immigrant parents who lost everything during the 2008 financial crisis, Natalie’s journey from mainstream media to Bitcoin advocacy reveals a deeply personal quest for truth, freedom, and financial sovereignty. In this conversation, we unpack how the erosion of sound money has undermined upward mobility for millions of Americans, why hope and opportunity are fading under an inflationary system, and how Bitcoin offers a...

00:00 The Real Reason Bitcoin Is Falling 02:45 Liquidity Vanishes Across All Markets 06:55 The 10/10 Event Breaks Market Structure 11:40 A Forced Seller Dumps Every Morning 14:10 Fundamentals Hit All-Time Strength 16:40 When the Selling Ends and Liquidity Returns 18:10 What You Should Actually Do Now

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Colonel Douglas Macgregor, retired U.S. Army Colonel, military strategist, and former Senior Advisor to the Secretary of Defense, joins Mark Moss to deliver a sobering assessment of America’s position in the world. With decades of experience inside the Pentagon and on the battlefield, Macgregor explains why endless wars, financial exhaustion, and strategic overreach have pushed the United States to a historic inflection point — one most policymakers still refuse to acknowledge. In this conversation, we break down the real state of the Ukraine war, why NATO and U.S. military readiness are far weaker than advertised, how debt and...

00:00 The Illusion of Record High Markets 03:10 The Dollar as a Broken Yardstick 06:55 Currency Collapses Leave Clues 09:38 How the Imperial Carry Trade Works 12:45 Measuring Markets in Gold and Bitcoin 16:50 The Global Unit of Account Is Fracturing 19:40 How to Position for the Transition

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Michael Saylor, founder and executive chairman of MicroStrategy, returns to explain how Bitcoin is transforming global capital markets and redefining the future of wealth creation. Drawing from his background in science and engineering, Saylor breaks down how Bitcoin’s architecture merges technology, economics, and mathematics to create the first truly engineered form of sound money — one that’s reshaping corporate finance, investment strategy, and even national policy. In this conversation, we explore why legacy finance is structurally unsustainable, how overcollateralized digital credit could replace sovereign debt, and why Bitcoin’s “refinery model” may ignite a new era of capital efficiency...

2026 is not just another year. It’s the beginning of what I believe will be the biggest wealth window of the next four years. Maybe the next decade. But here’s the truth — most people will miss it. Not because of timing… Not because of money… But because they don’t have the capacity or the systems to take advantage of the opportunity.

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Samson Mow, CEO of JAN3 and one of the leading voices driving nation-state Bitcoin adoption, joins to break down why the next phase of Bitcoin’s growth will be led not by individuals—but by governments. From El Salvador’s bold experiment to the quiet shift happening in central banks, Samson reveals how Bitcoin is evolving from a monetary revolution into the foundation for a new global financial order. In this conversation, we dive into why governments need to adopt Bitcoin to restore trust in money, how the geopolitical landscape is shifting as U.S. debt, inflation, and currency wars e...

Pierre Rochard, VP of Research at Riot Platforms and longtime Bitcoin advocate, joins to explain why Bitcoin’s rise is transforming not only markets but the very foundation of the financial system. From the mechanics of speculative attacks to the rise of Bitcoin treasury companies, Pierre reveals how Wall Street adoption, government policy, and sound money principles are colliding to reshape the global order. In this conversation, we explore why the classic 4-year Bitcoin cycle is breaking down, how financialization and leverage are changing the rules of the game, and why Bitcoin’s fundamentals still point to explosive upside. Pier...

The crash everyone’s talking about right now will be worse than 2008… but not in the way almost everyone thinks it’s going to happen. See, the media is bracing you for another housing collapse or a stock market wipeout — but that’s not the real danger. This time, the bubble isn’t in real estate or banks… It’s in a completely different sector that no one is watching — and when it pops, the crash effects will be nothing like what most people are preparing for.

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Jamie Coutts, Chief Crypto Analyst at Real Vision, joins to break down why Bitcoin’s current bull market looks nothing like the cycles of the past — and what that means for investors navigating the storm ahead. From shifting liquidity regimes to the rise of Bitcoin treasury companies, Jamie reveals how debt, deficits, and central bank policy are reshaping crypto’s place in the global financial system. In this conversation, we dig into why the classic 4-year cycle is breaking down, how fiscal dominance is rewriting the rules of markets, and why Bitcoin’s next explosive volatility may decide the winners...

Tom Luongo, publisher of Gold, Goats ‘n Guns, joins to reveal why today’s global chaos isn’t random — it’s the deliberate strategy of elites fighting to preserve their power. From collapsing currencies to radicalization on the streets, Tom explains how history’s cycles of debt, war, and money printing are converging into an 80-year reckoning. In this conversation, we explore why “when money dies, radicalization rises,” how central banks weaponize disorder to maintain control, and why the dollar’s accelerating death spiral could reshape sovereignty worldwide. Tom also shares his outlook on Bitcoin’s role in the storm ahead, and the...

Brandon Quittem, author and longtime Bitcoiner, joins to unpack why Bitcoin isn’t just an asset but the foundation of a new financial system — and why treasury companies like MicroStrategy may be the most fascinating story in corporate finance in a generation. From Bitcoin’s correlation to global liquidity cycles to the rise of Bitcoin-powered securities, Brandon explains how capital trapped in legacy mandates is being unlocked and funneled into BTC. In this conversation, we dive into the difference between pure-play Bitcoin treasuries and operating companies, and how volatility itself becomes a feature, not a bug. Brandon also explores whethe...

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"They literally CAN'T let a recession happen - and I'm about to show you the mathematical proof that changes everything you think you know about what's coming next. See, everyone's been waiting for the crash for two years now... defensively positioned, sitting in cash, missing out - but what if I told you the Fed is “TRAPPED” ... in a $35 trillion dollar corner where allowing a recession would collapse the entire system?

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CJ Konstantinos, founder of People’s Reserve, joins to explore why the U.S. dollar is trapped in a debt death spiral and why Bitcoin isn’t a competitor to the dollar but its necessary complement. From the dollar’s role as a medium of exchange to Bitcoin’s design as engineered money and absolute digital scarcity, CJ explains how pairing the two could extend the life of the dollar while creating a foundation for sound capital. Drawing from his own experience of buying a home with 100 bitcoin, he unpacks the painful lessons of opportunity cost and why holders need too...

Aleks Svetski, author of The Bushido of Bitcoin and entrepreneur behind new ventures like Atlantis, returns to explore why capital alone isn’t enough — and why character, virtue, and community must stand alongside money to build a meaningful future. From Bitcoin’s role as a foundation of sound capital to the need for beauty, excellence, and integrity, Aleks unpacks how civilization risks turning into a strip mall when we optimize only for profit. In this conversation, we dive into the balance of capital and character, the rise of borderless living, and the evolution from social networks into engagement farms. Aleks...

What happens when $9 trillion in boring 401k money gets permission to chase yield? Because that's about to happen. Trump signing the order. The game is about to change forever. I'm talking about trillions of dollars that have been stuck in losing or low yield in retirement accounts. Now being able to go buy bitcoin or private equity or real estate.

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Parker Lewis, renowned Bitcoin thinker and author of the Gradually, Then Suddenly series, joins us to break down why the real economy is broken — and how Bitcoin offers the only viable escape from a system doomed by money printing and ever-growing debt. From the mechanics of volatility to the inevitability of credit collapse, Parker explains why Bitcoin’s fixed supply is the ultimate safeguard for purchasing power, and why most people misunderstand the problem it solves. In this episode, we dig into why money printing distorts price signals, destroys savings, and forces people into imperfect hedges. Parker outlines his thre...

Dan Hillery, fund manager and Bitcoin strategist, joins us to break down the next evolution of Bitcoin capital markets: the rise of Bitcoin-native treasury companies engineered to unlock financial leverage with BTC as a base layer. This isn’t just another MicroStrategy clone — it’s a deeper, more sophisticated play. From unsecured convertible notes to preferred shares and fixed-income arbitrage, Dan explains how these companies are disrupting traditional capital formation using Bitcoin as collateral. In this episode, we explore why buying spot Bitcoin is just the beginning — and how the next generation of firms are building scalable, creditworthy businesses around B...

Cory Klippsten, founder of Swan Bitcoin, and Ben Werkman, CIO of Swan, join us to break down the next evolution in Bitcoin investing: public companies engineered from the ground up to maximize Bitcoin exposure. This isn’t MicroStrategy 2.0—it’s something entirely new. From Swan’s vertically integrated model to the overlooked opportunities in private credit, Cory and Ben reveal how Bitcoin-native strategies are disrupting traditional finance from the inside out. In this episode, we explore why buying spot Bitcoin is just the beginning—and how Swan is building a full-stack financial institution with Bitcoin as its base layer. We unpack...

Tim Kotzman, investor and Bitcoin strategist, joins us to unpack the explosive rise of Bitcoin treasury companies—and why this emerging asset class could reshape how corporations grow, govern, and compete in a post-dollar world. From MicroStrategy’s leveraged playbook to MetaPlanet’s media-first strategy, Tim breaks down how capital markets are being retooled around Bitcoin as pristine collateral. In this episode, we explore why simply “putting Bitcoin on the balance sheet” is no longer enough—and how a new class of public companies is engineering Bitcoin exposure with hedge-fund-like precision. We dig into the nuances of equity valuation in a Bitcoin...

I get it. It's scary hearing about what quantum computers could do to Bitcoin one day if or when they actually arrive. But here's the thing. Understanding how bitcoins encryption actually works is the key to understanding how quantum can, or more importantly, can't disrupt it. And what I'm about to show you will completely flip the script on your perspective.

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Adam Back, legendary cypherpunk and CEO of Blockstream, joins us to break down why Bitcoin treasury companies are emerging as one of the most disruptive forces in finance—and what this shift means for the future of capital markets. From early skepticism to full-blown corporate adoption, Adam unpacks how Bitcoin’s volatility, asymmetric upside, and institutional interest are converging to reshape how the world stores value. In this episode, we dive into why public companies are holding—and aggressively acquiring—Bitcoin, how sovereign wealth funds and pensions are finally moving off zero, and why short-term sellers are handing over BTC to l...

The world's safest investment just collapsed and almost nobody saw it coming. Wall Street's most trusted investment lost trillions in value, and if you're still holding on to it, your portfolio could be next. But what caused this crash? And more importantly, what should you do now? In the next few minutes, you'll discover why the smartest investors in the world are quietly moving billions into a surprising asset, and how one simple decision right now could protect your future wealth.

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Trump's 'One Big Beautiful Bill' just passed, and I'm using it to build $5 million while most people don't even know it exists. The OBBB has seven wealth-building provisions that could immediately put money back in your pocket. But here's the kicker—when you layer this with strategic investments in business, real estate, and Bitcoin the way I'm about to show you, we're talking about potential generational wealth that could hit $5 million or more.

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Right now, a $300 Trillion Credit Rotation is forming—and nobody sees it coming. Most investors and even Wall Street think these Bitcoin Treasury Companies are just a bubble, another creative play on Bitcoin, or maybe just a way to quickly generate cash. But… They’ve completely missed the real story—and it’s WAY bigger than anyone realizes. These companies aren’t gambling—they’re building highly targeted financial products, each acting like a straw siphoning trillions out of broken credit markets and into Bitcoin.

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Jeff Walton, former reinsurance broker turned Bitcoin thought leader, breaks down why Bitcoin treasury strategy companies are exploding—and what it means for the future of finance. From riding GameStop to the top to identifying asymmetric risk in traditional markets, Jeff reveals how a background in risk management led him to bet big on Bitcoin. In this episode, we explore why Bitcoin treasury companies are outperforming, how MicroStrategy rewrote the corporate playbook, and the difference between simply holding Bitcoin versus having a full-blown Bitcoin treasury strategy. Jeff unpacks why so-called "zombie companies" are pivoting to BTC, the biggest risks an...

Brian Dixon, CEO at Off the Chain Capital, shares how investors are using Buffett-style value investing to outperform Bitcoin itself—focusing on discounted assets, protocol-layer dominance, and long-term theses. In this episode, we explore why the base layer is winning, how Bitcoin and AI are converging, and why sovereign wealth funds and institutions are quietly accumulating BTC. From Mount Gox claims to Bitcoin treasury plays, Brian breaks down the biggest asymmetric opportunities in crypto today—and what they signal about the future of money, markets, and global power.

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Alessandro Palombo is a global expert in citizenship strategy, residency optimization, and the intersection of Bitcoin and personal sovereignty. In this episode, we explore how high-net-worth individuals are navigating global uncertainty with a new playbook—leveraging Bitcoin and flag theory to unlock a permissionless life. We dig into how the rise of machine-driven economies, overreaching governments, and outdated governance structures are creating a new class divide: landlords vs. renters. Alessandro shares why now—especially if your net worth exceeds $1M—is the time to build your "freedom stack," diversify across jurisdictions, and secure optionality for you and your family. From P...

Jeff Park is a leading voice in macro investing and Head of Alpha Strategy at Bitwise Asset Management, where he explores how Bitcoin is transforming corporate finance. With a background spanning traditional finance and crypto innovation, Jeff brings deep insight into how Bitcoin is shifting capital markets, corporate treasuries, and the very nature of investing. In this episode, we dive into the rise of Bitcoin treasury strategies—and how they’re reshaping the financial landscape. Jeff unpacks the difference between companies simply holding Bitcoin and those architecting their business models around it. We explore why MicroStrategy’s playbook is being...

We’re in the 6th wave of a 50-year tech cycle. Bitcoin, AI, and the markets are moving in lockstep—and there’s a playbook if you know the 4 phases.

Every 50 years, normal people get the opportunity to become incredibly rich. And right now, we're 14 years into the next cycle. In the past we've had multiple examples of companies doing similar things... Intel went up 23,000%. Apple? 1.5 MILLION percent. Microsoft, 57,000%. But here's what nobody tells you about these legendary returns... they followed an exact pattern that's happening again right now. And most people are looking in completely the wrong...