The Thing We Never Talk About

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By: Timothy Iseler

The Thing We Never Talk About is an educational podcast about personal finance for creatives and other weirdos. We'll discuss managing cash flow with a lumpy income, when to save & when to invest, and how to reduce stress & build confidence when it comes to your money. No hot stock tips, no complicated strategies, and no finance bro jargon. We'll hear from artists, musicians, creative professionals, and other weirdos about how they navigate these questions for themselves. The Thing We Never Talk About is hosted by Timothy Iseler, CFP®, a former recording & touring audio engineer with 18 years experience in the music i...

How I Invest My Own Money
#52
Last Monday at 11:00 AM

In this solo episode, Tim pulls back the curtain and shares exactly how he invests his own money — not hot stock tips or market predictions, but the philosophy and decision-making framework behind his choices. He explains why he invests, how he thinks about risk and time, why maintaining strong cash reserves is essential, and why his timeline shapes nearly every decision he makes. Tim walks through when he buys, when he sells, and why he ignores financial media noise in favor of long-term discipline. This episode is about process over prediction — and about building a strategy you can stick with...


Vish Khanna –  Host & Producer of Kreative Kontrol
#51
03/09/2026

In this episode, Tim sits down with Vish Khanna, host and producer of the long-running podcast Kreative Kontrol, for a candid conversation about work, money, and creative independence. Vish reflects on leaving conventional media jobs to focus fully on his own show, and the emotional and financial tension that comes with choosing fulfillment over a steady paycheck. They explore how creative labor is valued (or undervalued), what it means to earn “enough,” and how freelancers navigate instability while trying to stay honest & engaged with their work. The conversation also touches on autonomy, burnout, family responsibility, and the realities of buil...


When “Comfort Zone” Is SO Uncomfortable
#50
03/02/2026

Getting stuck in a “comfort zone” is often a sign that something isn’t actually all that comfortable—especially when it comes to money and long-term decisions. In this episode, Tim explores why so many important financial moves get stuck in the “I should” category, why waiting for the perfect moment usually makes things worse, and shares five practical, low-pressure ways to break out of an uncomfortable status quo and start making progress. One Key Takeaway: Real change doesn’t start with a perfect plan—it starts with small actions that gets you moving in the right direction.


Sarah Williams - Co-Owner of Beardwood&Co. Branding Agency
#49
02/23/2026

In this episode, Tim sits down with Sarah Williams for a wide-ranging conversation about her creative path, professional evolution, and the realities of building a sustainable career on her own terms. Sarah shares her journey from early employee to co-owner & co-CEO, and how her leadership evolved as the company grew. She also reflects on burnout, delegation, financial stability, and redefining success beyond revenue. They explore how money, confidence, and self-trust intersect with creativity, especially when your career doesn’t follow a traditional path. Sarah 


Sarah’s question for Tim: how do you see the relat...


All About IRAs
#48
02/16/2026

In this episode, Tim breaks down everything you need to know about Individual Retirement Accounts (IRAs) and how they fit into a long-term financial plan. He explains the differences between Traditional and Roth IRAs, who can contribute, how much you can save, and how taxes work both now and in retirement. Tim also covers investment choices inside an IRA, rules around withdrawals, and advanced options for self-employed people like SEP and SIMPLE IRAs. Along the way, he shares practical strategies for balancing short-term flexibility with long-term growth. One Key Takeaway: An IRA is one of the most powerful tools...


Emily Flake – Cartoonist
#47
02/09/2026

In this episode, Tim talks with cartoonist, writer, and teacher Emily Flake about building a creative career through multiple income streams, persistence, and adaptability. Emily shares what it’s really like to work in fields where rejection is common, success is unpredictable, and financial stability requires constant adjustment. Together, they explore the tension between creative fulfillment and practical money decisions, including saving, budgeting, and long-term planning. One Key Takeaway: A sustainable creative career is built less on sudden success and more on resilience, flexibility, and steady habits that support both artistic and financial health.


Em...


Easy Cash Flow: The “Reservoir System”
#46
02/02/2026

Managing money with an up & down income can feel overwhelming, especially when it comes to planning for the future. In this episode, Tim introduces the “Reservoir System,” a simple, intuitive framework for managing cash flow when your don't know how much you'll make this month or this year. Using the metaphor of managing a town's water supply, he explains how checking, savings, and investment accounts each serve a distinct purpose, and how to know when to keep cash on hand, when to save, and when to invest. This episode is especially helpful for freelancers, creatives, and self-employed people who want...


Tony Rolando – Founder of Make Noise Music
#45
01/26/2026

In this episode, Tim  talks with Tony Rolando, musician, instrument designer, and founder of Make Noise Music, about building electronic musical instruments, growing a niche manufacturing business, and staying creatively grounded as success scales. Tony shares how his background as a musician shaped the unconventional design philosophy behind Make Noise’s modular synthesizers. They discuss the realities of scaling a creative business, including hiring, cash flow, and the tradeoffs between growth and personal freedom. The conversation also touches on Tony’s evolving relationship with money, health, and what it means to use success to support a meaningful life.

Ton...


Why Pay Someone To Manage Investments?
#44
01/19/2026

With investing tools cheaper & more accessible than ever, why would anyone still pay an advisor to manage their investments? In this solo episode, Tim breaks down how the biggest benefit of investment management isn’t better stock picks or secret knowledge, but help with follow-through, emotional decision-making, and actually doing the things you already know you should be doing. The episode closes with practical guidance on how to decide whether managing your own investments or delegating that responsibility makes the most sense for you. One Key Takeaway: Paying for investment management isn’t about access to information or tools—it’s a...


Ryan Isaac - Education Fundraiser & Baseball Newsletter Writer
#43
01/12/2026

Ryan Isaac is an education fundraiser & longtime baseball insider who spent more than a decade working in professional baseball. In this episode, Ryan shares how he broke into the industry, what it was like navigating the uncertainty & mobility of baseball careers, and why becoming a parent ultimately reshaped his priorities. He reflects on the identity shift that comes with leaving a dream job and finding new ways to stay connected to the work you love. The conversation also explores how Ryan rediscovered his voice through writing and launched his baseball newsletter, Warning Track Power, as a creative outlet beyond...


Financial Forecasts Are Bullsh!t
#42
01/05/2026

Every year, financial “experts” roll out confident predictions about what the markets and economy will do next — and almost every year, they’re wrong. In this solo episode, Tim explains why financial forecasts are so appealing, why they’re fundamentally unreliable, and how chasing certainty can actually hurt your long-term financial health. Instead of guessing the future, he lays out a simple, durable framework for building stability, flexibility, and peace of mind in an unpredictable world. One Key Takeaway: You don’t need to predict the future to build financial security — simple habits, long-term thinking, and preparation for uncertainty matter far mor...


Todd Trainer - Drumming Instructor
#41
12/29/2025

Drumming instructor Todd Trainer joins Tim to talk about how an unexpected job loss pushed him into building a new career around teaching. He shares the story of growing his student base from DIY flyers to a full teaching practice, and why helping beginners find confidence & creativity has become some of the most meaningful work of his life. Todd also talks about adapting his teaching style for different learners and the philosophy that guides his approach to drumming instruction.

Key Takeaways:

Todd Trainer—best known as the drummer of Shellac—shares how losing a long-time job push...


4-Week Financial Detox
#40
12/22/2025

Holiday spending can creep up fast — and the new year is the perfect time to reset. In this episode, Tim introduces the 4-Week Financial Detox, a simple step-by-step process designed to help you pause discretionary spending, reset your baseline expenses, eliminate costly subscription “leaks,” and refocus your money on what truly matters. Whether you’re rebuilding after the holidays or just ready to use your money more intentionally, this short reset can help you start the year with more clarity, control, and confidence in your financial life. One Key Takeaway: Small, temporary changes to your spending habits can create lasting...


Randy Randall – Musician, Podcaster, & Freelance Marketer
#39
12/15/2025

In this wide-ranging & deeply reflective conversation, guitarist Randy Randall (No Age, Hyphenate with Randy Randall) talks about the shifting economics of indie music, redefining success as he became a parent, and building a freelance career in marketing almost by accident. From his early days immersed in the DIY community to learning resilience in the gig economy, Randy shares an honest, unglamorous, and strangely hopeful portrait of what it means to be a lifelong creative worker. He & Tim dig into the real tensions between art and money, how freelancing in marketing actually aligns with his long history of conceptual art...


Easy Cash Flow: What's Your “Invisible Number”?
#38
12/08/2025

In this episode, Tim explains why cash flow is the foundation of every financial plan — and introduces a simple technique to make saving money easier and more consistent. By identifying your “invisible number,” the small amount you can save automatically without ever noticing, you can improve your cash flow, build long-term security, and reduce friction in your financial life. Tim breaks down how this approach works, why automation matters, and how small, steady habits can quietly transform your financial trajectory.

5 Key Takeaways:

Cash flow is the foundation of financial planning. Every major financial decision — investing, buying a home...


Max Goldblatt – Film & Video Editor
#37
12/01/2025

Film and video editor Max Goldblatt joins Tim to talk about building a creative career across indie films, digital content, and nearly a decade of touring. He shares how early exposure to editing shaped his path, how short-film work opened doors to feature projects, and what it takes to balance passion, stability, and financial responsibility in an unpredictable industry. Max also reflects on navigating rate negotiations, imposter syndrome, and the realities of sustaining creative momentum over time.

Max's question for Tim: My kid is three. School is expensive. I know that a 529 plan has some limitations, like...


5 Tips To Save On Next Year’s Tax Bill
#36
11/24/2025

As the year winds down, Tim shares five practical steps you can take right now to lower next year’s tax bill. From maximizing retirement contributions to understanding energy-efficiency credits, this episode focuses on simple, actionable strategies for creative professionals and self-employed listeners. Tim breaks down how tax-deferred accounts, health savings accounts, and even small investment decisions can make a meaningful difference — without the last-minute stress of filing season. 

Five Key Takeaways:

Contribute to tax-deferred retirement accounts. Deposits into IRAs, 401(k)s, and similar accounts reduce current-year taxable income. Remember: new accounts must be opened before Decem...


John Dugan -  Content Specialist in the Design Industry
#35
11/17/2025

In this episode, Tim talks with writer, drummer, and content specialist John Dugan about creative work, shifting career priorities, raising kids in a music-rich environment, and how financial needs and perspectives evolve over time. John reflects on decades in bands including Chisel, his transition from journalism into content strategy for the design world, and what happens when art, family life, and money all need to coexist. They also discuss saving habits, risk tolerance, reunion shows, and supporting the next generation of artists—including John’s teenage son’s band, Uniflora.

John's question for Tim: why would someone invest...


Listener Mailbag 01
#34
11/10/2025

It's the first listener mailbag episode! Tim answers real money & personal finance questions from listeners about ethical investing, managing debt, and overcoming money-related shame. He explains how to easily invest according to your values, how to balance saving while paying off student loans, and when to use savings to tackle credit card debt. The conversation ends with a thoughtful reflection on emotional well-being — how to move past financial shame and build confidence through small, consistent wins.

Key Takeaways:

Ethical investing is more accessible than ever. Lower cost ESG & SRI funds allow everyday investors to align their mo...


Benjamin Percy – Storyteller
#33
11/03/2025

Benjamin Percy has built a career bridging literary fiction, comics, and Hollywood storytelling. As the author of acclaimed novels, comic book arcs for Marvel and DC, and scripts for film and audio drama, Ben joins Tim to discuss the craft and discipline behind a self-employed creative life. He talks about writing routines, handling rejection, learning to navigate the business side of art, and balancing creative ambition with family life. The conversation explores how consistency, humility, and persistence turn creative work into a sustainable career. 

Ben's question for Tim: AI worries me for all the standard reasons, but i...


Quick Nest Egg Calculation
#32
10/27/2025

What would it take for work to become optional? In this solo episode, Tim walks through a simple framework for estimating your “enough” number—the amount you’d need in savings & investments to reduce or even eliminate the obligation to work. Using the 4% and 25× rules, he explains how to calculate a  target nest egg amount, why it’s useful even if you never plan to retire, and how small, consistent habits can turn into huge long-term growth over time. Whether your dream is full retirement or just the freedom to choose when & how you work, this episode offers clear & practical in...


Michael Perry - Self-Employed Writer
#31
10/20/2025

For more than 30 years, Michael Perry has built a life around words — from essays and bestselling books to one-man shows and live events. In this conversation, Mike shares how his blue-collar roots shaped his approach to creative work and money, why he still keeps his nursing license “just in case,” and what it really takes to sustain a self-employed creative life. He and Tim talk about saying no to the wrong opportunities (even when Oprah calls), learning business skills on the fly, and how low overhead, multiple income streams, and a willingness to keep “shoveling” have allowed him to keep doing...


What Is “Wealth”?
#30
10/13/2025

What comes to mind when you hear the word “wealth”? In this episode, Tim explores how our ideas about money are shaped not just by math & spreadsheets, but by deep emotional lessons from family, culture, and experience. He unpacks why textbook definitions of wealth often fall short, shares perspectives from author Morgan Housel, and offers a new way to think about building abundance: creating more “perfect average days”. Along the way, Tim explains how saving and investing can buy you freedom, time, and peace of mind—keys to living a life of true wealth.

Key takeaways:

Wealth is...


Sam Ratto - Chocolate Maker
#29
10/06/2025

Sam Ratto is the founder of Videri Chocolate Factory in Raleigh, NC, and recently started Golf Golf Golf, an indoor golf simulator business. In this episode, Sam shares his winding path from surfing & skateboarding culture, launching a bean-to-bar chocolate company, and building a new hospitality venture around his love of golf. He talks about the realities of small business finance, lessons learned from failures, and how he balances entrepreneurial risk with personal stability. One key takeaway: The creative path to entrepreneurship isn’t linear—financial discipline and resilience help make bold risks possible.

Sam's question for Tim: what...


The Problem With Too Much Cash
#28
09/29/2025

In this episode, we unpack why having the right amount of cash in savings is essential—but why holding on to too much can quietly hurt your financial future. While an emergency fund provides short-term stability and peace of mind, excess cash loses value every year to inflation. By contrasting the short-term safety of savings with the long-term growth of investments, the conversation highlights the importance of balance. Practical frameworks like the “barbell model” and simple steps for gradually investing extra funds show how to move beyond just saving to start building lasting financial security.

Key takeaways:

Aim...


Macie Stewart - Musician
#27
09/22/2025

Musician Macie Stewart has been performing since her teens, from early bands like Kids These Days to co-founding Finom & becoming a fixture in Chicago’s improvised music scene. In this episode, she talks about finding community at Constellation (an excellent Chicago venue), balancing the realities of freelance income with creative freedom, and what success looks like for her today. One key takeaway: building a sustainable creative life means balancing financial practicality with artistic curiosity and community.

Macie's question for Tim: how to make a yearly budget when income fluctuates so greatly? 

Key takeaways:

Macie beg...


Is Buying A Home A Good “Investment”?
#26
09/15/2025

Buying a home is often called “the best investment you’ll ever make”—but is that really true? In this episode, Tim breaks down what it means to think of a primary residence as an investment, comparing real estate returns to long-term stock market performance. Using real numbers, historical data, and examples, he highlights the risks, tax benefits, and long-term advantages of homeownership while challenging some common assumptions. Whether you’re considering buying your first home or wondering about the financial trade-offs, this episode offers a clear-eyed perspective on when (and how) owning a home makes sense.

Key takeaw...


Sam Kassirer - Musician & Producer
#25
09/08/2025

Sam Kassirer is a musician, producer, and the founder of The Great North Sound Society, a residential recording studio in rural Maine. In this episode, he talks about his path from gigging pianist to touring with Josh Ritter and building a creative retreat where bands can record together under one roof. Sam shares practical insights about balancing art and money, including how he structures rates, handles the realities of freelance income, and maintains sustainability over time. He also reflects on the lessons learned from years of touring and recording, and how those experiences continue to shape his approach to...


When Do You Need A Financial Advisor?
#24
09/01/2025

In this episode, we explore the question of when it actually makes sense to work with a financial advisor. Sometimes you already know what needs to be done—you just need accountability or a new perspective to make it happen. Other times, big changes in income, unexpected windfalls, or simple uncertainty about “am I doing okay?” make professional guidance valuable. The conversation emphasizes that not everyone needs an advisor, but if you feel stuck, overwhelmed, or uninterested in managing the details yourself, reaching out could be the right next step.


Key Takeaways:

Try it yourself first...


Brad Cook - Record Producer
#23
08/25/2025

Brad Cook is a record producer based in Durham NC. Although he has been  a professional musician & artist manager in the past, Brad has focused on production full-time for the last seven years. He has produced dozens of records since then, working primarily from his home studio. And he's one of my best friends! Brad and I became pals when we both toured with Sharon Van Etten back in 2014-15 (Brad played bass, I was front of house audio engineer & tour manager). This conversation covers all kinds of ground, from production to the real value of financial advice to t...


Is This A Good Time To Invest?
#22
08/18/2025

In this episode, we dig into one of the most persistent investing dilemmas: knowing when the “right time” to invest actually is. Through personal stories and historical examples, we explore why the market always feels risky in the present—even though the biggest long-term gains often come to those who invested during turbulent times. The message is simple but powerful: the best time to invest is when you have the money, not when the market feels calm.

Key Takeaways

It always feels like a risky time to invest, while simultaneously feeling like the past was a better...


Christian Frederickson - Composer & Sound Designer
#21
08/11/2025

Christian Frederickson is a composer, violist, and sound designer whose career has bridged the worlds of classical music, experimental performance, and theater. In this episode, we talk about his transition from conservatory-trained musician to co-founder of the influential instrumental group Rachel’s, and his later work composing and designing sound for stage and dance productions. In this conversation, he shares the origins of Rachel's, how he supported himself when he moved to New York City, composing for theater & dance, and how he made the decision to start working at MIT.

Christian's question for Tim: how are you ma...


Another Recession Is Coming
#20
08/04/2025

The next recession isn’t a matter of if but when. While no one can predict the exact timing, there are practical steps you can take right now to make your finances more resilient before the economy takes a downturn. This episode shares four tips that anyone can use to improve financial stability & security to help navigate uncertaintimes.

Key takeaways

Recessions are unpredictable but inevitable.An emergency fund with at least 3–6 months of essential spending helps you avoid taking on extra debt or selling investments at the worst time.Pay down high-interest debt (like credit cards and...


Mikael Jorgensen - Musician
#19
07/28/2025

Mikael Jorgensen is best known as the keyboard player in Wilco, a position he's held for 20+ years. But before that, Mikael and I were both staff engineers at Soma Electronic Music Studios in Chicago. Mikael shares stories about his dad, who was also a recording engineer, touring & releasing records with his first bands, how he got started at Soma and how he moved from recording Wilco to being part of the band. Plus Mikael shares a ton of really useful information on how he manages the up & down income of a musician. If you’re self-employed and looking for ac...


How To Save An Extra $7k/Year
#18
07/21/2025

This episode builds on the previous conversation about how investing $7,000 a year can grow into $1 million. If you’re self-employed or living on a creative income, the idea of setting that money aside might feel impossible—but it’s more doable than you think. By breaking the total into manageable monthly, weekly, or even daily amounts, and comparing it to everyday expenses like dinner out or a movie ticket, that $7k per year target will feel more achievable. And whenever possible, automate those contributions so that you can pay your future self the same way you would any other essent...


Lara Hermanson - Owner of Farmscape
#17
07/14/2025

Lara Hermanson owns the largest urban farming company in America. But you wouldn't have guessed it when we played in a band together in our 20s! Lara shares how she started farming as one of many jobs she had just to get by, how she learned about investing while working as a housekeeper, and ways to enjoy life in Oakland CA without spending a lot of money. 

Lara's question for Tim: Where should we be saving money right now for midterm goals like a home remodel?

Key takeaways

Lara is the co-owner of Farmscape, t...


How To Turn $7k/Year Into $1 Million
#16
07/07/2025

While not everyone needs to plan for a conventional retirement, I think that everyone could benefit from saving & investing to increase financial independence – the ability to choose when to work (or not) and with whom. Today's episode looks at how you could grow your nest egg to $1 million by maxing out your IRA and buying the simplest investment options available.

Key Takeaways
A conventional retirement of leisure is swell, but not everyone will get there – or even wants to
But all of us can save & invest to increase financial independence: the ability to choose how & when...


Matt McCaughan - Musician
#15
06/30/2025

Matt McCaughan is probably best known as the drummer for Bon Iver, but he's played with tons of bands big & small both on stage and in the studio. In this conversation, Matt shares how he got started in music, the importance of not being too career-minded too soon, how he thinks about his work & how to price it, and how he manages the ups & downs of a gig-based income. 

Matt's question for Tim: I don't really pay attention to or care about cryptocurrency. Should I, and or when should I start paying attention? 

Key takeaways

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Planning With An Up & Down Income
#14
06/23/2025

How to you make financial plans for the future when you don't know what you'll make this year or even this month? Today I share three simple tips that people with up & down incomes can use to build financial stability and plan for the future.

Key Takeaways:
If you know that something will happen – even if that something is unpredictability – you can make a plan for it.
Knowing how much you spend each month is essential to building financial stability.
Keeping a dedicated cash account as an emergency or opportunity fund allows you to face...


Rebecca Cole – Musician & Tour Manager
#13
06/16/2025

Rebecca Cole is a musician and tour manager. She's worked as a roadie for many years, but started playing music with her first band The Minders in the mid-90s and recently toured the world as the keyboard player in Pavement. Rebecca is a delight to speak with and I really enjoyed this conversation about finding room for luxuries on any income, how moving to another city helped her buy a home, the pros & cons of pinching every penny as a tour manager, and more.

Rebecca's question for Tim: I have a collection of low dollar IRAs...