Scaling Wellness
Welcome to Scaling Wellness, the podcast designed for wellness experts, teachers, and coaches ready to break free from time, energy, and revenue caps. Whether you’re a Pilates instructor, yoga teacher, health coach, or wellness entrepreneur, this podcast provides the roadmap to build a thriving, scalable business in the online space. Hosted by Caroline Copp, business coach for wellness entrepreneurs, Scaling Wellness offers actionable strategies, expert insights, and inspiring success stories to help you elevate your wellness business. If you’ve ever felt limited by the hours in your day, unsure of how to grow online, or stuck in a cycl...
Building successful digital wellness offers - Luck, Hustle or Ease?

Welcome back to Scaling Wellness! In this episode, I’m pulling back the curtain on what it really takes to build a successful digital wellness business - “luck”, hustle or “ease”?
For years I’ve been brilliant at hustle, head down, hard work, do-the-thing energy. But ease? That’s something I’ve had to consciously create. And what I’ve learned (and now teach my clients) is that success happens in seasons. There are times to push and times to pause, times to build and times to optimise.
In this episode, I share:
💡 The four distinct pha...
The “perfectionist tax” that kept me stuck for 6 years!

Welcome to Scaling Wellness - the podcast for wellness experts ready to break free from time, energy, and revenue caps. I’m Caroline Copp, business coach for wellness entrepreneurs.
Today I’m talking about the Perfectionism Tax - the hidden cost you pay when you make your offer, launch, or growth plan harder than it needs to be. If you’ve ever found yourself endlessly tweaking your About page, adding “just one more module,” or waiting for life to calm down before you launch… this one’s for you.
In this episode, I cover:
Classic perfec...Freedom First (from Barcelona!): Designing a Wellness Business That Works for You

Welcome back to another episode of Scaling Wellness! As you’re listening to this, I’ll be in Barcelona so it felt like the perfect moment to talk about something I know so many of us crave in business and life: freedom.
I’ve been teaching Pilates since 2004 and like many wellness professionals, I started with evenings, weekends, and classes that fit around my family. But I’ll never forget lying on a unicorn float in a pool one summer, realising that my income stopped the moment I left the studio. That was the spark that led me to di...
Stop chasing new leads 24/7 - keep the clients who already love you

Today I’m diving into the most underrated growth strategy in our space: retention. If you’re tired of feast-or-famine launches, this episode will help you turn one great programme into a simple, scalable client journey that people want to stay in.
In this episode, I cover:
Why retention matters in wellness: lower acquisition costs, better results, stronger testimonials, and a stable revenue baseline.Three retention models you can use now:Re-signing into your evergreen programme (e.g., repeat your 12-week with fresh goals, clear milestones, progress reviews).Levelling up to the next stage of supp...
Success Story: Karen Wilson on niche breakthroughs, launch plans, and building a front-end offer that grew her membership

Welcome back to Scaling Wellness. Today I’m joined by Karen Wilson of Samanya Yoga—and full disclosure, this episode nearly didn’t happen thanks to some heroic tech gremlins. Third time lucky! But i’m so glad it did, because Karen’s story will resonate with so many of you who’ve “done it all” in-person and are ready to grow online without giving up family evenings or burning out.
Karen shares how she moved away from in-person group teaching to have a sell-out first launch and thriving membership
We dig into the messy middle most peop...
Evergreen vs Cohort vs Hybrid: What’s really working in wellness (right now)

In todays episode I’m unpacking a question I hear constantly: Should I run my digital program as live cohorts or go fully evergreen?
I’ve done all three, and in this episode I share what’s worked, what hasn’t, and the hybrid model I’m using (and teaching) to keep enrolments steady and client results high.
In this episode, I cover:
Live Launch / Cohort Model- When it works and the downsidesEvergreen Model - The promise vs. the pitfalls Hybrid Evergreen - the middle-ground approach im using in my business and with my clientsCho...Stuck at 15 members? How to niche without losing your community

If you’ve poured your heart into building a membership or digital product, only to hit a plateau at 10, 20, maybe 30 members, listen up!
When you first launch, most of your sign-ups come from your warm network - friends, family, and your local clients who already know and trust you. But when it comes to scaling, being a generalist often keeps you stuck.
In this episode, I’m talking about:
Why so many wellness memberships stall around the 15–50 member markThe fears that keep us from niching down like “What if I offend or lose people I care a...The FLOW Series: Your roadmap to a scalable wellness business. BONUS episode - R is for RETAIN - How to keep clients coming back

Welcome back to Scaling Wellness! This week, we’re wrapping up our FLOW(r) series with a bonus episode - and it’s all about R is for RETAIN.
Retention might not sound sexy, but it’s the secret strategy that makes your business sustainable.
Because if you're always focused on getting new clients, you're missing the easiest, most profitable path to growth — keeping the ones you've already got.
In this episode, we’ll cover:
Why client retention boosts your income and your impactHow to build a seamless next-step journey for your clientsSim...The FLOW Series: Your roadmap to a scalable wellness business. Episode 4: Retention, Referrals & Raving Fans

Welcome back to Scaling Wellness! We're in part 4 of the FLOW series, where I walk you through the five essential steps to marketing and scaling your digital product as a wellness expert.
This episode is all about the W or the "WOW" - the magic that happens after someone buys.
The success of your offer isn’t just about the launch. If your clients aren’t engaged, getting results, or raving about their experience, your business will always feel like a grind to grow.
Inside this episode I cover:
How to create a po...The FLOW Series: Your roadmap to a scalable wellness business. Crafting a product that sells itself

Welcome back to Scaling Wellness! This is part three of our five-part FLOW series — the framework I use inside the Scaling Wellness Accelerator to help wellness professionals scale their digital offers with clarity, confidence, and ease.
In today’s episode, we dive into “O is for Offer” — the step where we move from nurturing to converting leads into paying clients. You’ll learn why most digital offers don’t sell, how to position your offer to make it irresistible, and what kind of launch strategy works best for your energy and your audience.
We explore:
Why features...The FLOW Series: Your roadmap to a scalable wellness business. Episode 2 - How to turn followers into paying clients

Welcome back to Scaling Wellness and the second episode in my 5-part FLOW series. Today we’re diving into L for Lead — where the magic of nurturing and connection-building happens.
You’ve have an audience, but if you're wondering why your digital product still isn’t selling, the missing link might be this step.
Inside this episode, I share:
How to build trust online without giving away the farmWhy storytelling is your secret marketing weaponWhat your email list is really for (hint: not just launches)The invisible, consistent work most people skip, and why it costs...The FLOW Series: Your roadmap to a scalable wellness business. Episode 1 - Getting found

In this episode, I’m kicking off a brand new 5-part series breaking down the FLOW system I teach inside the Scaling Wellness Accelerator, starting with the first step: FIND. If you’re struggling to grow your audience, feel like your content is falling flat, or just aren’t sure how to reach the right people online, this one’s for you.
You’ll learn:
How to clarify your message so it attracts your ideal clientThe difference between content that just fills space and content that builds authorityWhere to focus your energy when growing your audienceWhat makes an e...Success Story: Zero to digital product in 6 weeks - Deborah’s classical pilates success story

Welcome back to Scaling Wellness! In this episode, I’m joined by the incredible Deborah Williams – a Pilates teacher with over 25 years of experience, a music career, and a big vision for building financial freedom through digital products.
Debs shares her honest, inspiring journey of stepping back into the Pilates world, this time not to teach by the hour – but to create a digital course that reflects her deep embodiment of the method and her desire to mentor others. We talk about how she refined her idea, built a classical mat Pilates course from scratch, launched her founde...
The #1 thing you need to build trust in a crowded market

This week on Scaling Wellness, I’m talking about the power of your origin story, and why it’s more important than you might think.
I’ll walk you through:
Why your story builds instant trust and connectionWhat happens when you don’t have one (or aren’t sharing it)What to do if you're not your ideal clientA simple framework to uncover and shape your storyI share a powerful example from a recent Q&A where a coach’s story left such a mark on me that I would’ve bought anything he was offerin...
Success Story: Failing fast - The power of the pivot with Jane Lefever

Welcome to another episode of Scaling Wellness! This week I’m joined by the brilliant Jane Lefever – a former corporate professional turned Pilates teacher and now a digital course creator.
Jane shares her full journey with us – from discovering Pilates while juggling motherhood and a demanding career, to launching her first digital membership during lockdown... and why that model stopped working.
We talk about:
How motherhood led Jane to seek flexibility in wellness workWhy her first online product (a Pilates course for bowel cancer survivors) didn’t take off – and why that wasn’t a failureThe...Designing a wellness business that supports the life you actually want

In todays episode, I’m asking a question that might feel uncomfortable—but is absolutely essential: Is your wellness business helping you build the life you want, or is it blocking it?
As wellness professionals, we often enter this industry with the dream of more balance, more impact, and more freedom. But too often, we find ourselves recreating burnout in a new form...still overworking, still time-poor, and still stuck.
This episode is a powerful reminder that you get to choose what your business looks like. I share my own journey, from early experiences of burn...
Success Story: No email list or website - How Jo created a wellness program that sold out in 36 hours

In this episode of Scaling Wellness, I’m joined by the amazing Jo Steele — a yoga teacher, school teacher, and now proud digital course creator.
Jo joined the Digital Course Creator with no email list, no website, and zero digital product experience WHILST STILL WORKING AS A TEACHER! But within weeks, she created and sold out her very first course, Strong & Centered, a strength-focused yoga program designed specifically for midlife women who want to future-proof their health.
We talk about:
How Jo found her niche and crafted a message that truly landedBuilding her audience from...Want more sales, less stress? Here’s the ‘boring’ business secret

If you’re constantly tempted by new offers, fresh ideas, and exciting directions... this one’s for you.
In today’s episode of Scaling Wellness, I’m making the case for a “boring” business. But spoiler alert — boring does not mean uninspiring or dull. It means repeatable. Predictable. Scalable. And honestly? That’s where the freedom lives.
I’m sharing:
Why having one core offer is the secret to sustainable growthHow to rewire your brain to get dopamine hits from results (not distractions)What happens when your business runs on simplicity — and how that unlocks massive crea...The real reason you're holding back from giving a guarantee

In this episode of Scaling Wellness, we’re talking about one of the biggest fears wellness experts face when trying to grow online: promising a result.
If you’ve ever thought, “I don’t want to overpromise” or “What if someone doesn’t get the result?” this one’s for you.
I’m sharing why this fear often has less to do with ethics… and more to do with a lack of clarity around your niche.
We’ll cover:
Why not promising a result actually hurts your businessHow vague messaging keeps you stuck and sales stagnant...The truth about wellness memberships

This week on Scaling Wellness, I’m talking about wellness memberships, the truth, the pitfalls, and whether they’re still a smart move in 2025.
You might be wondering whether launching or scaling a membership is the right next step for your wellness business. Maybe you’ve already got one ticking along, or perhaps you’re dreaming of passive income and recurring revenue. Either way, this episode is for you.
I’m sharing:
Why memberships boomed during the pandemic...and why many aren’t working nowThe biggest mistakes I see wellness pros making (including the myth of “jus...How to legally protect your wellness business online — contracts, refunds & scaling safely with Lucy Legal

In this episode of Scaling Wellness, I’m joined by the incredible Lucy Wheeler (better known as Lucy Legal) to unpack everything wellness entrepreneurs need to know about legally protecting their business online.
If you’re creating a digital product like a course or membership, or you're coaching, teaching, or leading wellness sessions in person or online, this conversation is a must-listen.
Lucy is a former city lawyer turned legal entrepreneur, and she brings a unique perspective as someone with deep roots in the fitness industry herself. She now runs a successful legal template shop and...
What’s really holding you back from moving online?

Welcome back to Scaling Wellness! In this episode, I’m diving into something that holds so many wellness professionals back from scaling their business: fear...and the sneaky excuses that come with it.
If you've ever thought:
“What if no one buys it?”“I don’t have time.”“The tech overwhelms me.”“What will people think?”…then this episode is for you. I’ve been there too—and I’m sharing the exact mindset shifts and practical strategies that helped me (and my clients) move through fear, validate digital offers before building them, and launch with confidence.
<...Is the wellness space too saturated to start a digital product?

Hello and welcome back to Scaling Wellness, today we’re tackling one of the biggest mindset blocks I hear from so many wellness professionals:
“Isn’t the digital space too saturated for me to launch something now?”
If you’ve ever scrolled through Instagram and felt like everyone is already out there selling a digital course or online programme, this episode is here to remind you: the wellness space isn’t full...it’s waiting for you.
In this episode, I share:
Why your experience as a wellness expert is needed now more than ever...Client Success Story: How to create and sell out your first online wellness program

In this inspiring episode of Scaling Wellness, I'm interviewing Natasha, a Pilates teacher who successfully transitioned from a corporate career to building a thriving wellness business. Natasha shares her journey of creating "The Core Club," a digital program designed specifically for busy working mums seeking to rebuild their core strength after having children. Learn how proper market research, understanding her ideal client, and being open to feedback led to a sold-out launch and a sustainable business model.
Natasha has over 10 years experience teaching Pilates in a range of settings throughout London. As a mum of 2, she is...
What to do if nobody buys!

In this honest and vulnerable episode of Scaling Wellness, we tackle a reality many wellness entrepreneurs face but few discuss - what to do when your digital product launch doesn't meet expectations. Using personal experience from my Core Revival program launch, I share how an initial disappointment transformed into a 10k success through strategic pivoting and mindset shifts. Learn why your first launch is often your hardest, why "overnight successes" are usually anything but, and the exact framework to analyze your launch data objectively.
Resources Mentioned:
Scaling Wellness Accelerator (doors close May 5th) https://www.carolinecopp...Help Your Wellness Clients To Say Yes! 4 Touch Points Your Marketing Must Include

Wellness clients make purchasing decisions differently!
In this value-packed episode, I explore the four critical touchpoints wellness entrepreneurs need to master to authentically connect with potential clients and help them to say YES! Moving beyond marketing tactics, we dive into the emotional journey clients experience before committing to their wellness transformation.
WHAT YOU'LL LEARN
Why sharing specific moments of understanding your clients' struggles creates stronger connections than listing credentialsHow to present transformation stories that feel genuinely achievable rather than unrealistically dramaticTechniques for creating judgment-free spaces where clients feel safe being vulnerableMethods for identifying and...Finding Your Tribe: How the Right Community Accelerates Business Growth

In this episode, I explore the power of finding the right business community and how it can dramatically accelerate your growth as a wellness entrepreneur. I discuss why traditional networking often falls short, the three dimensions of effective community support, and how to choose the right people to surround yourself with as you scale.
Key Topics Covered:
Why traditional networking can be draining for many entrepreneursThe difference between surface-level connections and deep, meaningful business relationshipsThe three dimensions of community support: peer accountability, expert guidance, and implementation supportHow to choose the right community based on your business...From Feast or Famine to Consistent Revenue: How to SCALE your digital product

In this episode of Scaling Wellness I chat through the challenges of scaling a digital product after an initial successful launch (or even a flop!)
Here are some highlights...
When you experience a "meh" second launch how to keep moving forwardsThe struggle of the feast or famine launch cycleFeeling stuck after initial product successThe challenges of growing a new audience of raving fansI share 4 key elements to scaling
1. Audience Building
2. Conversion
3. Scaling Systems
4. Mindset
And if you get to the...
Member Questions Answered - "How do I overcome niche paralysis?"

In this episode of Scaling Wellness, I address a common challenge faced by wellness experts: choosing the right niche for your digital course!
Key Takeaways
Niching is crucial for online business success, especially when targeting a broader audienceSpecificity in your target market helps create more resonant and effective marketingChoosing a niche is not a permanent decision, but a strategic testThe importance of understanding specific pain points for your ideal clientHow broad offerings can actually reduce your appeal to potential customersResources Mentioned
Digital Course Creator Waiting List https://www.carolinecopp.co.uk/DCCwaitlist...Transforming Postnatal Support One Instructor at a Time with Alice Johnstone

In this inspiring episode of Scaling Wellness, I interview Alice Johnstone, a passionate postnatal Pilates coach who transitioned from the corporate world to creating a meaningful business supporting new mothers and training Pilates instructors. Alice shares her journey of identifying a critical gap in postnatal care, building her one-to-one Pilates practice, and expanding into online education for instructors.
Key Takeaways
The importance of specialised, personalised postnatal supportStrategies for building an online business alongside in-person workOvercoming imposter syndrome and finding your ideal clientThe value of patience, persistence, and continuous learning in entrepreneurshipPricing your services based on the...Your Path to Press Features: PR Strategy Simplified with Pippa Goulden

In this episode of Scaling Wellness, I am joined by Pippa Goulden, a seasoned PR expert with over 20 years of experience, as she demystifies Public Relations (PR) for small business owners.
Pippa shares her journey from managing big brand PR to focusing on small businesses where she can make a tangible impact.
She highlights how leveraging third-party endorsements through various channels like magazines, podcasts, and collaborations can significantly boost a business's visibility and credibility.
Pippa provides actionable steps on getting started with PR, focusing on networking, building a strategy, and overcoming mindset barriers...
The Digital Course Creator - everything you need to know

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Client Success Story - From Corporate Lawyer to Wellness Expert: From Corporate Lawyer to Wellness Expert: Launching a Digital Course in the “Saturated” Perimenopause Market with Carly Corrigall

In this inspiring episode, Carly Corrigall shares her transformative journey from corporate lawyer to successful wellness entrepreneur, detailing how she created a digital course in the perimenopause space despite initial doubts and perceived market saturation.
Key Takeaways
Transitioning from in-person to digital offeringsOvercoming the fear of entering a "saturated" marketThe power of community in course developmentImportance of tailoring content to actual client needsMemorable Quotes
"Everything we do, everything we teach, someone can look up. But that's not what they're buying.""Life is too blimmin' short to feel so-so and just be like...Client Results | How to Promise Without Overpromising

In this episode, I explore the often challenging topic of offering guarantees for wellness digital products. Many wellness experts hesitate to promise specific outcomes to clients, but this reluctance can impact sales and client trust. Learn how to ethically frame guarantees while setting realistic expectations.
Key Points
Understanding the Ethical Tension: Why wellness professionals (like personal trainers) struggle with guaranteeing specific outcomes due to factors outside their controlThe Power of Niching Down: How knowing your exact audience makes it easier to confidently guarantee results within specific parametersThe GPS Analogy: Your digital product works like a GPS—it gu...GUEST EPISODE: Money Mindset in Wellness: Why It's OK to Profit from Helping Others With Ray Dodd

In this value-packed episode, we're joined by money mindset and business strategy coach Ray Dodd to discuss the complex relationship between money and wellness businesses. Ray shares profound insights on pricing, receiving money, and breaking free from societal conditioning around wealth.
Key Discussion Points:
Why wellness practitioners often struggle with charging their worthHow we unknowingly make decisions about what clients can affordThe concept of "money gunk" and how it manifests in businessMoving beyond time-for-money pricing in digital productsThe relationship between pricing and client commitment🔑 Quotable Moment: "Women, people who've been conditioned to care for peo...
How to price a digital product

Join me, Caroline Copp, for an eye-opening discussion about the psychology of pricing and value perception. Learn why "expensive" is relative and how understanding this can transform your approach to pricing your wellness offerings.
🔑 KEY HIGHLIGHTS:
Why price needs context for value perceptionReal-world examples of how wellness brands sell value, not productsPractical applications for digital products and coaching servicesThe psychology behind perceived value in wellness offerings💡 PRACTICAL TAKEAWAYS:
How to determine your offering's true valueWays to communicate value effectively to potential clientsStrategies for pricing digital products and coaching packagesTips for overcoming "expensive" objectionsFramework for va...Quality Over Quantity: Why audience size is irrelevant when selling your digital product

In todays episode discover why your current audience size shouldn't hold you back from creating a successful digital product. Learn how focusing on quality over quantity can accelerate your wellness business growth through real-world success stories and actionable strategies.
🔑 KEY HIGHLIGHTS:
Success stories Why niching down amplifies your impact and attracts ideal clientsThe importance of understanding deep client pain points and motivations and how this creates a following of people who will actually buy!💡 ACTIONABLE TAKEAWAYS:
Identify your specific niche and ideal client avatarSet up a basic CRM system to track client interactionsCreate target...Client Success Story - Ali DL - Niching a Pilates Digital product

In this episode of Scaling Wellness, I'm joined by Ali, a former corporate HR professional who transformed her career to become a Pilates instructor and digital business owner. Ali shares her inspiring story of pivoting during COVID, finding her niche, and building a thriving online business.
Discover how Ali’s "Pilates for the Passionate Gardener" course became a hit, the challenges she faced in the early days, and how she leveraged coaching and the Digital Course Creator program to overcome obstacles. This episode is packed with actionable insights into market research, audience targeting, and creating impactful wellness cou...
How to Sell Your First Wellness Digital Product (Without Feeling Pushy)

Welcome to Episode 4 of Scaling Wellness
Join me, Caroline Copp, as I dive into why selling digital wellness products doesn’t have to feel “icky” and how you can make it easier by shifting your mindset and approach. Whether you’re a wellness expert just starting to explore digital offerings or looking to refine your strategy, this episode is for you!
Episode Highlights
Why Selling Feels Difficult for Wellness ExpertsSelling often feels unnatural because wellness professionals are passionate about helping people and may not be motivated by profit. We’re in the business of service, n...The Tech You Need (and Don’t!) to create and scale your digital product

Welcome to Episode 2 of Scaling Wellness
In this episode, we’re diving into a topic that keeps many wellness experts stuck: technology. From fears about costs and complexity to comparisons with online influencers, the tech side of creating digital products can feel overwhelming. But it doesn’t have to be!