WANA Presents: For The Record With David McClam

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By: David McClam

Welcome to the podcast that uncovers the truth amidst a web of lies. Originally created to defend a friend from false accusations, we now face relentless harassment from a duo and their followers who aim to silence us and bury the facts. Here, you’ll witness the unfolding of a real true crime saga as I stand up for my friend and others. All the evidence will be made available on our Reddit for you to see. This is a rebuttal podcast like no other—because sometimes, standing up for what’s right is the only way to bring the truth...

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No Way Jose: The Voices Challenging Pretend
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#20
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In this episode of We Are Not Afraid Presents: For The Record With David McClam, David highlights two voices he believes deserve more attention in the ongoing conversation surrounding Javier Leiva, PRETEND, and accountability in true-crime media: Liam Bosonnet and CaseStudyz.

David argues that when journalists and podcasters build their work around scrutinizing the condu...


No Way Jose: Javier will NEVER Talk to me
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10/14/2026

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In this episode I tell you why Javier will never talk to me about the case against Ladonna Humphrey or anything else that he has lied about. I introduce you to. Evil Ghost and his live stream where he exposes Javier for the liar that he is as he plays a panel that Javier sat on talking about his c...


No Way Jose: NO WAY JOSE: Who’s Investigating the Investigator?
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10/13/2026

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In this episode of We Are Not Afraid Presents: For The Record With David McClam, David addresses information reported to him alleging that PRETEND host Javier Leiva is the subject of a federal cyberstalking investigation involving a Reddit profile that targeted a subject of his podcast.

David makes an important distinction from the beginning: he...


No Way Jose: The Lies Keep Rolling!!
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#17
10/12/2026

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You would think people would learn, but apparently they do not.

Once again, Javier “Lying” Leiva took to video to misrepresent the emails I sent to hosts of shows he had appeared on. Or, more specifically, to misrepresent who I sent them to.

When someone is committed to a narrative, the easiest way to protect it is...


No Way Jose: I Sent The Packets-Now Answer The Evidence
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#16
10/09/2026

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In this episode of No Way, José, David McClam addresses Javier Leiva’s recent comments about the email packets sent to podcast hosts and other creators who have featured or endorsed his work.

David makes one point unmistakably clear from the beginning:

He sent the packets. He takes responsibility for the outreach. And any questions about...


No Way Jose: Who Contacted Who? The Westboro Story Pretend Did Not Tell You
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10/08/2026

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Additional Receipts in this episdode


PRETEND's episode page

Apple Podcasts

Amazon Music

PRETEND's published transcript

PRETEND's transcript.

We Are Not Afraid — my account and rebuttal



In this episode of No Way, Jose, David McClam examines a seri...


No Way Jose: The Receipts Survived
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#14
10/04/2026

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In this episode of No Way, José, we address the disappearance of our subreddit, announce a new home for the receipts, and return to the questions PRETEND still has not answered.

A subreddit ban does not resolve a reporting problem.

The records still exist. The timelines still matter. The contradictions still need explanations.

And the work con...


No Way, José Ep 13 “Javier Leiva’s Allen Family Fan Club”
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09/29/2026

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In this episode of No Way, José, we examine Javier Leiva’s treatment of the Allen family in PRETEND’s Who’s Afraid of LaDonna Humphrey? and ask whether the reporting applied the same evidentiary standard to Jon Allen that it applied to LaDonna Humphrey.

At the center of the episode is...


No Way, José Ep12 A.C. Pt 5: Javier wanted you to hear the accusers—Just not Anthony's
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09/28/2026

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In the fifth and final installment of our investigation into Anthony Christopher Rocko, the question is no longer whether there was information about his past that PRETEND’s audience could have been told.

The question is:

How much information can exist about a source before an investigative journalist has an obligation to examine it?

Ove...


No Way, José Ep 11 A.C. Pt 4 The Media Outlet He Allegedly Tried To Buy
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09/27/2026

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In this installment of our five-part investigation into Anthony Christopher Rocko, we return to the central question running through this entire miniseries:

How thoroughly did Javier Leiva vet one of the people he relied upon in PRETEND’s Who’s Afraid of LaDonna Humphrey?

By the time Javier produced that series, he had made an editorial choice to intervi...


No Way, José Ep 10 A.C. Pt. 3 Another Courtroom Another Credibility Problem
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09/26/2026

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In Part Three of our five-part investigation into Anthony Christopher Rocko, we move from Washington County to Carroll County, Arkansas, and into yet another business dispute involving money, property, control, and credibility.

In Part One, we examined the 2010 reporting surrounding Labor of Love Charities in Oklahoma.

In Part Two, we opened an Arkansas lawsuit in which Jennifer Powers accuse...


No Way, José Ep 9 Anthony Christopher Pt 2: The $8,000 Property That Wasn't For Sale
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09/25/2026

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In Part Two of our five-part investigation into Anthony Christopher Rocko, we move several years forward from Labor of Love Charities in Oklahoma.

And once again, the story involves money, real estate, and questions about credibility.

This time...


No Way, José Ep 8 SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT: Who Is Anthony Christopher Rocko Pt 1
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09/24/2026

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Before we continue with No Way, José, we need to introduce you to someone who became increasingly important as we examined PRETEND’s Who’s Afraid of LaDonna Humphrey?

His name is Anthony Christopher Rocko.

And over the next five episodes, we are going to take a much closer look at him.

This special five-part No Way, José ...


No Way, José: Ep. 7: Fact-Checking PRETEND’s Gypsy Rose Blanchard Series
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09/24/2026

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If the information you are looking for is not there, check back as it will be coming soon!OTHER RECEIPTS FROM THE EPISODE

Associated Press: case and guilty-plea background

PRETEND, Part 5

Epilepsy Foundation: What if the EEG is normal?

PRETEND, Part 4

American Cancer Society: ALL remission criteria

RMHC of the Ozarks: mission and eligibility

PRETEND, Part 1 and Part 2

PRETEND, Part 1 and Part 5

MedlinePlus Genetics: 1q21.1 m...


No Way Jose Ep 6: PRETEND, Read the Report
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09/23/2026

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In this episode of No Way, José, we examine PRETEND’s treatment of the stolen-phone allegation involving LaDonna Humphrey and compare that presentation with the actual findings documented by the Benton County Sheriff’s Office.

At the center of the episode is a state...


No Way Jose Ep 5: PRETEND, Meet Your Own Receipts
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09/22/2026

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Other Receipts from this Episode:

Receipt: PRETEND’s November 2023 update.

Receipt: PRETEND’s December 2023 correction.

Receipt: the published transcript of Is This the End?

Receipt: The Stalker Correction.

Receipt: Maricopa County Attorney’s diversion information.

Receipt: the correction’s published explanation.

Receipt: PRETEND’s correction.

Receipt: Arizona Revis...


No Way Jose Ep 4: Research Team and Investigative Methodology
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09/22/2026

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I tell you how we get our information and how we are presenting the information to you.


No Way Jose Ep 2: “I HAVEN’T CAUGHT YOU IN ONE LIE”
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09/20/2026


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OTHER RECEIPTS FROM THE EPISODE

The public docket records that the parties reached an agreement at a May fifth, twenty twenty-six conference Public docket


SPJ Code of Ethics



Core Points:

David McClam analyzes court filings from the Meghan Walsh versus Javier Jose Leiva lawsu...


No Way Jose Ep 3: She Had Already Left
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09/20/2026

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Core Points:

David McClam examines public tax records to defend a former church secretary against unproven financial accusations.Always check official dates and documentation before accepting blame claims against former employees.Institutional records like meeting agendas and bank letters prove that financial decisions involved multiple leaders, not just one staff member.Investigative reporting requires vetting sources and aligning ti...


No Way Jose: Ep 1. Alecia Lockhart in her own words
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09/20/2026

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OTHER RECEIPTS IN THIS EPISODE

PRETEND Part 1 publication date, June 4, 2024

Steven Booth on Conversations with Rich Bennett, 2:42–4:25 Conversations with Rich Bennett.




Core Points:

David McClam questions the reliability of Alicia Lockhart’s accusations against LaDonna Humphrey and the lack of journalistic scrutiny by Javier Leiva at PRETENDFinancial records, including emails and spread...


WANA Changing
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09/20/2026

I discuss the upcoming changes to WANA and what to expect


Javier In the Stalker Case, You Got Some Explaining To do!
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08/27/2026

David McClam evaluate's the professional standards expected of investigative podcasters, using an examination of Javier Leiva's reporting on the Fernandez case to highlight the critical importance of maintaining objectivity. The discussion argues that Leiva's reporting serves as a model of how journalistic neutrality can be compromised, demonstrating how an unsubstantiated narrative regarding the Fernandez family was presented as a public indictment despite a lack of forensic evidence. By prioritizing a theory that framed Tanya Fernandez as the perpetrator, the investigation effectively functioned as the manufacture of a guilty verdict rather than a pursuit of truth. This approach encouraged audiences...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: The End
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11/05/2025

The podcast episode delineates the culmination of an extensive exploration into the contentious narrative surrounding LaDonna Humphrey, emphasizing the host's assertion that all things must ultimately reach a conclusion. David McClam, the host, articulates that the journey undertaken throughout the series has been one of profound significance, aimed at unveiling the truth amidst a plethora of fabrications and misrepresentations. He posits that listeners are now presented with a binary perspective regarding Humphrey's innocence, thereby inviting them to draw their own conclusions based on the presented evidence. Furthermore, he reflects on the evolution of the discourse, noting that what was...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: LaDonna Humphrey Interview
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10/28/2025

Summary

In this episode, David McClam interviews LaDonna Humphrey, addressing the controversies surrounding the Pretend Podcast and the impact it has had on her life. LaDonna clarifies her role in the podcast, her relationship with Alicia Lockhart, and the influence of Javier Leiva. The conversation delves into the complexities of friendship, betrayal, and the darker aspects of true crime podcasting, particularly focusing on the death fetish community and its implications. In this conversation, LaDonna Humphrey addresses various allegations made against her, particularly those propagated by Javier Leyva. She discusses her past experiences with John Allen, the arson...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: David McClam Vs. Javier Leiva
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07/06/2025

The discourse presented in the latest episode of the podcast delves into the intricate dynamics surrounding the controversial figure of Javier Leiva, juxtaposed against the host David McClam's personal and professional narrative. McClam articulates a compelling critique of Leiva's portrayal as a paragon of journalistic integrity within the podcasting realm, asserting that the accolades attributed to Leyva are fundamentally superficial. He posits that true merit in the podcasting landscape transcends mere accolades and commercial success, emphasizing the moral imperative of authenticity and truth in storytelling. This episode serves as an exposé of Leiva's alleged misdeeds and the ethical implications o...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: The Oasis Management Interview
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05/22/2025

The salient point that emerges from the discourse presented in this podcast episode is the profound examination of the injustices inflicted upon LaDonna Humphrey, elucidating the concerted efforts to discredit her integrity through a systematic campaign of misinformation perpetuated by individuals such as Javier Leiva and Anthony Christopher. The host, David McClam, articulates his unwavering commitment to unveiling the truth amidst a landscape rife with deceit, asserting that the interviews conducted with the management of Oasis of Northwest Arkansas serve as a pivotal mechanism to illuminate the realities confronting both Humphrey and the residents under her stewardship. Throughout the...


Quick Programing note and whats to come
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05/12/2025

This is a quick update as to where I have been, when I will return and whats coming on the show


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: The Ladies Of Oasis
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03/31/2025

This episode presents a compelling examination of the Oasis program in Northwest Arkansas, framed through the poignant narratives of women who have found refuge and rehabilitation within its walls. The host, David McClam, introduces the episode as a critical counter-narrative to accusations leveled against Ladonna Humphrey, the program's director. He emphasizes the transformative power of personal engagement, noting that true understanding emerges not from hearsay but from direct interaction with the individuals whose lives are profoundly affected by the program. Through candid interviews, the women articulate their experiences, illustrating the Oasis not merely as a treatment facility but as...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: I Am Back From Arkansas
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03/20/2025

The podcast episode delves into the intricate complexities surrounding the ongoing narrative involving LaDonna Humphrey, specifically addressing the allegations propagated by adversaries, including Javier Leiva and Anthony Christopher. The host, David McClam, articulates his experiences from a recent 13-day trip to Arkansas, where he sought to uncover the truth regarding the claims made about Humphrey and her operations at Oasis. Throughout the discourse, McClam emphasizes the significance of firsthand accounts and the necessity of direct engagement with the subjects of controversy to form a well-rounded understanding of the circumstances. He highlights an event aimed at law enforcement agencies, where...


Exposing The Witch hunt of LaDonna Humphrey: Allegedly Anthony Christopher has been accused of rape
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02/18/2025

The salient point of the podcast episode revolves around the serious allegations against Anthony Christopher, who is accused of sexual assault, and the ensuing discourse regarding the credibility of witnesses involved, particularly in light of contrasting narratives concerning the events that transpired. David McClam articulates a profound sense of incredulity at the ongoing discourse surrounding these allegations, while simultaneously addressing the criticisms directed towards Ladonna Humphrey, suggesting a pervasive double standard within the public and media response.

Throughout the episode,He meticulously dissect the statements of both Anthony Dewey, the alleged victim, and Anthony Christopher, the accused...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: The Truth Always Comes to Light
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01/25/2025

David McClam delves into the theme of betrayal, particularly focusing on the complexities of trust and deception in personal relationships. He introduces the concept of 'foreign betrayal,' where an individual you trust turns against you, often motivated by financial gain, fear, or the desire to maintain friendships. McClam emphasizes the importance of recognizing the potential repercussions for those who choose to betray others, questioning whether they consider the evidence that could be used against them. This discussion serves as a prelude to a more personal narrative surrounding the case of Ladonna Humphrey and Kaya Penfield, underscoring how betrayal...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: You should Learn how to file a police report & the 2024 Elections
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11/23/2024

David McClam tackles a provocative police report filed by Anthony Christopher, which he claims is a fraudulent attempt to undermine the truth about LaDonna Humphrey and himself. In this episode, David meticulously dissects the report, pointing out its inaccuracies and how it ultimately serves to exonerate him rather than harm him. He emphasizes the critical importance of accurately identifying individuals in legal documents and warns against the dangers of misinformation in a politically charged environment, particularly as the 2024 elections have concluded.. David's impassioned discourse is a powerful reminder of the rights individuals have to defend themselves against unfounded accusations.<...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: Interview With Dennis McCaslin
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11/20/2024

David McClam hosts a compelling discussion with Dennis McCaslin, the editor and owner of Today at Fort Smith newspaper, as they delve into the controversial and complex case surrounding LaDonna Humphrey, Anthony Christopher, and Patty Rush. The episode exposes the intricate web of accusations and counter-accusations that have emerged from this case, highlighting how personal vendettas can morph into public smear campaigns. McLam and McCaslin dissect the motives behind Rush’s actions against Humphrey, suggesting that jealousy and a desire for recognition in the crime-writing community may be driving Rush's aggressive stance. As the conversation unfolds, McCaslin provides firsthand ac...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: The Mastermind Anthony Christopher
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11/03/2024

This episode dives deep into the controversial figure of Anthony Christopher, who is presented as the mastermind behind a series of personal attacks against host David McClam. David emphasizes that he does not know Christopher personally, yet feels targeted due to his support for Ladonna Humphrey, a central figure in the unfolding drama. The discussion uncovers allegations of fraudulent activities linked to Christopher, including Medicaid fraud and dubious financial practices associated with a non-profit he founded. Listeners are introduced to Rocky, a former associate of Christopher, who shares his troubling experiences and highlights a pattern of manipulation and intimidation...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: Oasis And Interview With Anita
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10/28/2024

The narrative surrounding Oasis of Northwest Arkansas reveals deeper societal issues related to addiction recovery and the stigmatization of those in recovery. David McClam articulates the incredible work done by Oasis in providing a structured and supportive environment for women battling addiction, juxtaposed against the backdrop of attacks from individuals like Javier Leyva. The episode features an in-depth interview with Anita, a campus manager who shares her personal experiences and the positive changes she has witnessed in the women at Oasis. The discussion highlights the essential role of accountability and structure in recovery, as emphasized by the strict rules...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: Taken Down
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10/22/2024

The latest episode of "We Are Not Afraid" dives deep into the ongoing battle against the deceitful narratives propagated by Javier Leiva regarding both myself and LaDonna Humphrey. This episode exposes the relentless attempts to silence my voice and the truth I uphold, as well as the harassment faced by those who dare to oppose him. With compelling evidence and personal accounts, I lay bare the tactics employed by Leiva and his followers, illustrating how their efforts to undermine my podcast only serve to strengthen my resolve. Listeners will gain insight into the legal actions being taken and the...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: EP 8 Caught in a lie
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10/09/2024

The podcast episode covers a conflict involving David McClam and Javier Leiva. David accuses Leiva of lying about legal actions against him and points out inconsistencies in Leiva’s claims. 

David McClam allegedly threatened Javier Leiva leading to actions against his podcast for revictimizing critics of LaDonna Humphrey. McClam’s federal lawsuit over a domain name is questioned. David discusses false police reports.

David refutes accusations, claiming no lawsuit has been filed against him. 

David plans to press charges against Leiva and Christopher for allegedly filing false police reports, criticizing their accusers’ failures to harm r...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey:Allegations are False so let me BE!
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10/07/2024

David McClam addresses false allegations from Javier Leiva and Anthony Christopher, expressing frustration over their refusal to accept the truth despite ripping apart Javier Leiva's lie piece by piece. He discusses their police complaints against him and plans legal action. McClam criticizes their tactics, likening them to cult leaders, and shares support received amid threats, condemning violence and harassment.

He critiques claims about a “team LaDonna” and plans legal action against false assertions, arguing that comparisons to mass shootings are inappropriate. McClam asserts the removal of his podcast episode violates First Amendment rights and denies mentioning any spec...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: Here we go again LIES
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10/05/2024

McClam addresses inaccuracies from a previous episode, expressing his frustration over alleged false claims made by Leiva and clarifying that LaDonna Humphrey has no involvement in his work. Tensions rise as McClam challenges Leiva to substantiate harassment claims and questions the validity of legal threats.

David is poised to take legal action against Leiva, alleging that he does not own the disputed trademark and accusing him of past stalking behavior. They contend that the lawsuit is an attempt to silence his podcast and criticize Leiva for delaying the trademarking of the term “pretend.”David voices his frustration over...


Exposing The Witch Hunt Of LaDonna Humphrey: Answering Back To The Lies On The Live
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09/27/2024

In a bonus episode of “We Are Not Afraid,” host David McClam directly addresses and refutes false allegations concerning that he and others were going to be arrested, and declaring his intent to pursue legal action against those responsible for harassment. He unequivocally condemns doxing and cyberstalking, with a specific focus on LaDonna, and censures Anthony Christopher for disseminating falsehoods. McClam commits to supporting victims, conducting thorough investigations of allegations, and countering misinformation through his podcast.

He brings attention to the issue of witness intimidation and expresses his support for LaDonna Humphrey against baseless accusations, while criticizing those...