Jake & JZ

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By: Jake Knapp and John Zeratsky

Weekly podcast about startups, design, marketing, technology… and anything else we’re thinking about. 🤓 Hosted by Jake Knapp and John Zeratsky, co-founders of‍ Character Capital and bestselling authors of Sprint and Make Time.

End of Season 1
#18
03/27/2025

It’s the end of Season 1 for Jake & JZ! In this mini episode, we announce that we’re taking a break to publish our new book Click and launch some other cool projects.

Shoot, we gave away the content of the episode in the show notes! Still, it’s worth tuning in to hear our conversation about:

Jake’s new Elgato teleprompter (not an ad)The iContact Camera (also not an ad)Baby Mama and the gift of uninterrupted eye contactWhy human visual perception is a predictionWhy Zoom calls are so exhaustingVisual ASMR

If you have ide...


Freedom of Movement
#17
03/19/2025

A conversation with a founder inspired this discussion about maintaining freedom of movement while you build new products and companies. It might be the most important startup thing that nobody ever talks about: The need to stay nimble and not give away your advantages by pre-committing to decisions that steal your freedom of movement.

On episode 17 of Jake & JZ, we also talked about:

How startups beat big companiesIdentifying your unique advantages in a Foundation SprintEight Sleep, but it’s not an ad!New and old sleep tactics that we use every nightRecording the audiobook for ClickAnd mu...


Even More AI
#16
02/27/2025

Two days after recording our last episode about AI, DeepSeek R1 was released, prompting some of you to ask us a set of new questions about how AI will affect the future of work, products, startups, and investing.

Jake is off this week, but we invited our cofounder and partner Eli Blee-Goldman back to help JZ answer these questions and — for at least a brief moment — get us caught up on the latest developments in the world of AI.

This week on episode 16 of Jake & JZ, we talked about:

Why DeepSeek R1 caused such a st...


AI, Startups, and the Future of Work
#15
02/13/2025

Our latest thoughts on AI! At Character Capital, most of our investments are in AI companies. How will recent advancements change how products are designed and startups are built? Our cofounder Eli Blee-Goldman returns to the podcast to share predictions and highlight the importance of human agency in an AGI future.


Quick note: This episode was recorded right before DeepSeek R1 came out. We have thoughts, of course 🤓 We’ll record a follow-up soon!


On episode 15 of Jake & JZ, we talked about:

What stays the same in an AGI future?The importance of ag...


Caffeine
#14
02/06/2025

10 years ago, we learned how caffeine really works, and it changed how we use, consume, and enjoy coffee. Tune in for a Jake & JZ deep dive on caffeine — from working with Blue Bottle, to our current coffee routines, to insights and tactics for making the most of this wonderful substance.

On episode 14 of Jake & JZ, we talked about:

How caffeine really worksLearning about caffeine from Ryan Brown at Blue Bottle CoffeeGoing deeper for Make TimeTwo surprising caffeine insightsTwo helpful coffee tacticsJZ’s favorite coffee maker: The OXO BrewJake’s espresso machine: The Breville BES870XLBoon Boona Coffee...


Our new book Click!!!
#13
01/30/2025

We wrote a new book!!! It’s called Click and it’s all about the Foundation Sprint, our new 2-day method for kicking off big projects!

We are SUPER excited to share it with you all, and this week’s episode is a deep dive into the process of writing the book and how it fits into our investing strategy.

Learn more about the book at theclickbook.com

On episode 13 of Jake & JZ, we talked about:

How to get early access to ClickThe history of the Foundation SprintBooks that inspired us: Psychology of Mon...


Character Labs
#12
01/23/2025

ANNOUNCEMENT: We are hosting a live online event to introduce the Foundation Sprint!! Join us for an early look at our new sprint method and a cool surprise!


On the podcast: Character Labs is BACK, so this week we’re sharing a What-Why-How-style deep dive on the program. If you want to hear our best ideas and tactics for starting new projects, OR if you’re just curious about Character Labs, be sure to check out this episode.


On episode 12 of Jake & JZ, we also talked about:

The most important moment for ever...


Our Essential Books
#11
01/16/2025

We discuss three essential books that help us break through uncertainty and focus on the most important work. If you want to get better at designing products and building companies, we think you should read:

Getting Real by 37signals, for how to get real about what mattersGood Strategy Bad Strategy by Richard Rumelt, for how to give your business an unfair advantageDeep Work by Cal Newport, for staying focused and actually doing the work

On episode 11 of Jake & JZ, we also talked about:

Why your business needs an enemyInsights from the “survival days” of successful companies (like...


Perfection Anxiety
#10
01/09/2025

Jake gets a bit vulnerable and talks about Perfection Anxiety, which he’s struggled with since childhood. If you ever feel stuck, or worry your work won’t be good enough, be sure to check out this episode — we share a BUNCH of concrete tactics for overcoming Perfection Anxiety and getting started.

On episode 10 of Jake & JZ, we also talked about:

How to run two sprints in one weekWinter in the Pacific NorthwestWhy discipline doesn’t workWorking at newspapersA great podcast episode: Starbucks on AcquiredA great newsletter: Spyglass by M.G. Siegler

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A Distraction-Free iPhone
#9
01/03/2025

This episode is about our SINGLE BEST technique for avoiding distraction every day. In part two of our mini series on Make Time, Jake describes the Distraction-Free iPhone — which he started doing 10 years ago!! If you’re looking for a simple, powerful way to block distraction (ESPECIALLY after episode 8’s discussion of the Highlight Method), be sure to tune in.

On episode 9 of Jake & JZ, we also talked about:

Lord Nelson and the importance of proper provisioningAttention ResidueWhy Jake deleted all the distracting apps from his phone (and what’s left)JZ’s experience with a Distractio...


The Highlight Method
#8
12/19/2024

How do you make time for what matters? In this episode, we share a simple habit called The Highlight Method, inspired by the Design Sprint, that we both use to focus our efforts on the most important activities every day. Have a question for us? Send it to hey@jakeandjz.com.


This week on episode 8 of Jake & JZ, we talked about:

When it makes sense to use LLMs for writingBeing secret late adoptersThe big ideas behind our book Make TimeThe danger of defaults in our everyday livesHow the daily Highlight worksStrategies for choosing the right...


The Name Sprint
#7
12/13/2024

This might be our most tactical episode ever. If you’re starting something new, check it out! Not to brag, but it’s FULL of proven tactics for making big decisions about new projects.

This week we also answered our very first audience question. Thanks 1sam1216! Have a question for us? Send it to hey@jakeandjz.com.


On episode 7 of Jake & JZ, we talked about:

Our Name Sprint process for naming your company or productA full walkthrough of our Name Sprint for Character CapitalWhy we chose “Character” even though it wasn’t a perfect ma...


The Conviction Punch with Eli Blee-Goldman(!)
#6
12/05/2024

A special chance to meet Eli, the third founder of Character, and learn about the inner workings of venture capital. This week on episode 6 of Jake & JZ we talked about:

How Jake got to ride in the very first Waymo (when it was just a prototype on the Google campus)Jake’s rollercoaster of emotion meeting EliEli’s winding path to VC (it led through Botswana!), his famously good intuition, and “Eli-isms”Phaidra: Why we invested, how we work with the team, and the real value of a startup board memberWhy we use blinded scorecards to make investment decision...


Designers Like to Steal
#5
11/27/2024

This week on episode 5, we talked about:

The music you listened to between ages 12 and 20 (and how it’s the best, no matter how old you are)Revisiting the music video for Cannonball by The BreedersSpeaking at a Stanford BioDesign class led by the founder of Cala Health (we ran a sprint with them in 2016!)Lightning Demos, a quick way to gather inspiration for new solutions and a key part of every Design SprintThe amazing cover of Made to Stick by Chip & Dan Heath (and why Jake had a copy within reach!)A study showing how outside inspiration lea...


Good Beans
#4
11/21/2024

This week on episode 4, we talked about:

Jake's train stationA disappointing dialog at the end of Diablo 3What’s so incredibly great about hoodiesTeddy Ruxpin, the original edtech product for kidsCuriosity Labs, a Character portfolio company building educational AI companions for kidsThe founding story of YouTube KidsGetting new product ideas from real-world customer behaviorTwo different ways to pitch the same companyShould founders follow “best practices” when pitching investors or try to stand out?Fathom’s Series AHow we found Fathom (and then decided to invest)Authenticity in salesWhy we go out of our way to pitch ourselves to founders...


The Startup Wayback Machine
#3
11/14/2024

This week on episode 3 of Jake & JZ, we talked about:

The Seinfeld Moviefone episode (”Why don’t you just tell me what the product does?”)The Startup Wayback Machine (continued!), our technique for learning from successful companies in their early daysWebsites through the years, including Uber in 2011, iPhone in 2007, Slack in 2014–2017Solving one problem well before you try to solve a bunch of problemsA great LinkedIn post from Kushal Byatnal (founder of Character portfolio company Extend) about selling your product before you build itA fun tabletop analog game called KLASK (check out this epic game on YouTube)A great mo...


What Why How
#2
11/07/2024

This week on Jake & JZ, we talked about:

What Why How, our simple framework for great marketingHow successful companies apply this framework… or don’t! We compared Oura, Fathom, Playdate, Fletch, Meta Quest, and Apple Vision ProHow Nintendo redefined not just themselves, but the entire video game marketWhy founders should start with the story and differentiation, not the productThe Startup Wayback MachineA great book: Pattern Breakers by Mike Maples JrA great article: The Idea Maze is a Useless Idea by Cedric ChinTaking action to generate information

However, we did NOT talk about the election 😉

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Anxious About Not Coding
#1
10/21/2024

This week on Jake & JZ, we talked about:

Advantages of remote vs IRL work for startup teamsCharacter Labs, our sprint program for pre-seed foundersWhy some founders feel anxious when they aren’t writing codeOur first exit of a Character portfolio company (Reclaim was acquired by Dropbox)The ongoing quest for a distraction-free phone (Jake ordered the Lightphone III)The story of Nintendo on the Acquired podcastBit Timer, a nice timer for iPhoneAnd much more

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