Monetary Matters with Jack Farley
Jack Farley interviews the very best financial minds about macro, markets, and monetary matters. Follow Jack on Twitter @JackFarley96.
âA Huge Problem for Everybodyâ | Paul Krugman on Currency Devaluation, Artificial Intelligence, Kevin Warsh Nomination, & More
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Distinguished economist Paul Krugman joins Jack to discuss the devaluation of the dollar, the nomination of Kevin Warsh, artificial intelligence, and much more. Dr. Krugman brings his expertise to give cogent and intelligent answers on important economic questions of our time. Recorded on February 6th, 2026.
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The âClimax Topâ In Gold & Silver | Milton Berg, Turning Point Master, on Precious Metals, Bitcoin, and Disturbing December Warning In Stocks
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Recorded in February 6th 2026, technical analyst Milton Berg returns to discuss his market outlook after correctly predicting the major market bottom in April 2025. Although his long-term retail model remains 100% long equities until a specific 8% drawdown occurs, Berg reveals that his institutional portfolio is currently net short across major indices. This bearish institutional stance is driven by rare technical anomalies, including a "disturbing" volatility signal from December and a historic "island reversal" pattern in the Russell 2000. Berg admits the current market...
Why Carson Block Wonât Short AI Names Until the IPOs Begin & Muddy Watersâ Pivot to Long Resources Stocks & S&P 500 Momentum
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Carson Block, founder of Muddy Waters Capital joins Monetary Matters to discuss why they arenât rushing to short AI pretenders and fakers until more supply of speculative companies hits the market from big IPOs. They also discuss the increasing dominance of flows over fundamentals in US markets and abroad and Muddy Waters expanding investment focus including: metals and mining stocks, Vietnam, and momentum strategies.
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Why Silver Is Flowing East | Alex Campbell on Solar, Scarcity, and the Six-Sigma Silver Crash (Plus: SaaS & AI)
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Alexander Campbell, founder of Rose AI and former head of commodities at Bridgewater, joins the show to dissect the structural drivers behind the silver market and the transformative potential of artificial intelligence. Campbell details the "Silver Squeeze" thesis, attributing the metal's volatility to a combination of inelastic industrial demand from solar manufacturing and speculative capital flight out of China. He clarifies complex market dynamics, specifically the "Shanghai Premium" and the logistical friction involved...
Is the Age of Reckless Lending Coming To An End? | Oaktreeâs Raghav Khanna on Private Credit, Software, and How Oaktree Correctly Saw First Brands' Red Flags
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Raghav Khanna, managing director at Oaktreeâs Global Private Debt strategy, joins Jack to discuss the ins and outs of the credit industry. Raghav offers insight into the opaque world of lending, including his opinions on the First Brands Group fiasco, private credit, and artificial intelligence. Raghav not only explains recent trends in credit, but gives his thoughts on where things may be headed as tech...
Trumpâs Hidden Mortgage Stimulus from Fannie & Freddie | Joseph Wang on GSEs, Kevin Warsh, Powell, and Dollar Hedging
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In this interview, Joseph Wang of FedGuy.com discusses various levers the Trump administration could pull to lower mortgage rates, even without the Federal Reserve's direct involvement. These include directing government-sponsored enterprises like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to increase their mortgage holdings, potentially by lifting their current portfolio caps. Wang also notes that expanding access to cheap financing from Federal Home Loan Banks for mortgage REITs could be another avenue. Beyond housing...
âSoftware Earnings Massacreâ While Precious Metal Vol Explodes | Jack & Max on Silver, Fed Meeting, and Earnings
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The relentless surge in precious metals continues, with gold seeing gains in all but three trading days this year and silver holding above $110 despite some analyst warnings that the rally may be nearing an end. While some attribute these moves to a "debasement trade" or a weakening US dollar, the speakers argue that silverâs rise is primarily driven by real industrial demand and supply shor...
The SaaS Reckoning, Consumer Trends, & AI Disruption: The Macro & Micro Signals That Matter in 2026 | Deiya Pernas
Deiya Pernas, co-founder of Pernas Research, has crushed the market and compounded at over 30% since he and his partners began tracking their portfolio in 2017. In this interview, Deiya examines 10 key micro and macro questions that he believes could be the key to continued outperformance in 2026, including questions around SaaS spend, white collar hiring, home buying in a lower rate environment, consumer spending trends, and more.
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How $100B Asset Managers Are Making Tokenized Funds a Reality | Maredith Hannon of WisdomTree
Maredith Hannon, Head of Business Development at Wisdom Tree Digital, joins Other Peopleâs Money to discuss how tokenized real-world assets are taking off at a pace eerily similar to the early growth of ETFs. Crypto enthusiasts have long touted the potential for fund vehicles to be tokenized and put on chain. That story is quickly becoming a reality with rapid AUM growth and established players like WisdomTree with over $100B in AUM quickly launching funds from money market and equity to alternatives like private credit. Hannon also discuss the additional utility that on chain funds provide and how th...
U.S. Stocks Are Overvalued, But Not In A Bubble | Professor Aswath Damodaran on Equity Valuations, AI Data Center Boom, and âBig Market Delusionsâ
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In this deep-dive interview, NYU Finance Professor Aswath Damodaran, the "Dean of Valuation," assesses the current state of the U.S. stock market, describing the S&P 500 as richly priced but stopping short of calling it a bubble. He explores the "big market delusion" inherent in the AI revolution, distinguishing between the profitable "architecture" of chips and the highly speculative future of Large Language Models. Damodaran provides a candid look at his own portfolio, explaining why he recently exited his...
Breaking Down the Precious Metals Bull Market, Natural Gas, Intelâs Disappointment, & the Small Cap Surge | Jack & Max
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Jack & Max break down the bull market in silver and gold, how they are expressing their bullish views via royalty companies, and debate whether we are approaching peak prices. They also discuss surging natural gas prices, what Intelâs disappointing earnings mean for the AI bull market, and the strong performance from small caps so far in 2026.
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Sell America Trade 2.0 | Andy Constan on Foreign Outperformance, Huge Financing Need, and Bull Case For Short-Term Rates
In this episode, Andy Constan of Damped Spring Advisors reveals why he has liquidated 100% of his US asset positions to bet on the "Rest of the World". He breaks down the looming financing headwinds created by massive AI capital expenditures and political promises, explaining how this borrowing spree creates a near-term drag on US equity and corporate bond prices. Constan argues that the era of US exceptionalism is fading, making Japanese and European assets far more attractive for risk premia and diversification now that their yields have normalized. He also predicts that while a recession isn't imminent, economic growth...
The Triumphs & Crises of Chinaâs Economy | Professor Barry Naughton on Chinaâs Debt, Deflation, and âIndustrial Policy 3.0â
Barry Naughton, a renowned professor and chair of Chinese International Affairs at UC San Diego, provides a deep dive into the current crises and triumphs of the Chinese economy. In this interview, Naughton analyzes why China is grappling with its most difficult challenges in decades, from a persistent housing bust to entrenched deflationary pressures. He offers a critical look at the shift from market liberalization to aggressive state-driven industrial policy, including the massive "government guidance funds" used to target a new technological revolution. The conversation explores the geopolitical showdown between the U.S. and China over critical mineral supply...
Banks Under Fire From Executive Action | Jack & Max on Trump's Threatened 10% Credit Card Cap and How Executive Action Is Shaping Markets in Defense, Housing, Payments, Central Banking, and More
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President Trump has shaken the financial markets by proposing a strict 10% interest rate cap on credit cards, a move that sent stocks like Visa and MasterCard tumbling. In this episode, Jack and Max break down whether this policy is a genuine legislative goal or a political stunt designed to win the midterms by addressing the affordability crisis. They explore how banks might retaliateâpote...
The Marketâs Biggest Whales are Making Huge Changes: Total Portfolio Revolution | Steve Novakovic of CAIA
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Steven Novakovic, Managing Director of Educational Programs at CAIA, discusses the monumental shift from strategic asset allocation to the Total Portfolio Approach (TPA), a change recently highlighted by major moves at CalPERS. The conversation explores the evolving landscape of private markets, specifically how secondary markets are providing crucial liquidity and entry points for investors dealing with slowed distributions and the "denominator effect". Novakovic also...
How China Could Dominate U.S. AI | Dr. Michael Power on Open Source and "The Three Assassins" of Moore's Law
Dr. Michael Power, a seasoned financial analyst, consultant, and strategist, joins Jack to discuss his recent work that predicts the Chinese A.I. industry may soon beat the U.S. at its own game. Dr. Power explains what makes the Chinese approach fundamentally different from U.S. labs like OpenAI and how it will likely affect the Chinese economy, the worldwide adoption of A.I., and the valuations of U.S. A.I. companies. As Dr. Power explains, China has the potential to not only catch up to the U.S., but to become the global leader in artificial...
Why Venezuela Wonât Solve Americaâs Real Energy Crisis | Michael Kao on AI, Electrification, and the Natural Gas Bottleneck
In this episode of Monetary Matters, Max Wiethe sits down with Michael Kao, CIO of Akanthos Capital Management and the Kao Family Office, to unpack the real energy risks facing the U.S. economy. The conversation opens with Venezuela and the Trump administrationâs push to reshape global oil supply. Michael explains why Venezuelaâs vast reserves are unlikely to move the market quickly, why OPEC spare capacity still caps oil prices, and why he remains structurally bearish on oil despite constant fears of shortages. From there, the focus shifts to what Michael believes is the true vulnerability: natural gas...
The Global Bull Market: Examining the Dramatic Outperformance of Global Stocks vs. the US | Jack & Max
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In this episode, Jack Farley and Max Wiethe break down what really happened in markets in 2025 and what it means for investors heading into 2026. While U.S. equities delivered strong returns and continued to attract record foreign capital, global markets quietly outperformed, with emerging markets, Europe, Japan, and parts of Asia posting significantly higher total returns. The conversation digs into why the âU.S. is the...
The Convexity Mavenâs Biggest Macro Trades of 2026: Why Bonds, Gold, and Debasement Matter Again in 2026 | Harley Bassman
Harley Bassman, managing partner at Simplify Asset Management and widely known as the âConvexity Maven,â joins Monetary Matters to break down the hidden risks shaping todayâs markets. He explains why inflation is likely to remain structurally higher, why massive fiscal deficits matter more than Fed policy, and how passive flows continue to support equities despite growing cracks underneath. The conversation dives deep into bonds, mortgage-backed securities, credit risk, gold as an alternative currency, and why convexity is the key concept investors consistently underestimate. Bassman also outlines practical portfolio hedges designed to perform when markets move to extremes, offering a rare...
Citriniâs 26 Trades for 2026 | Citrini on BS Jobs, AI Materials, Advanced Packaging, World Cup, & More
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The investor known only as Citrini returns to share his thematic watchlist for the new year, aka â26 Trades for 2026.â The conversation pivots from the hardware-focused "phase one" of the AI trade toward "phase two," which focuses on companies utilizing AI to streamline bloated bureaucracies and increase margins. Citrini details his high-conviction "AI Bureaucracy Alpha" framework, identifying firms that could significantly reduce headcounts and improve profitability through automation. Beyond labor, the interview explores critical bott...
Investing Data is Evolving: AI, The Degenerate Economy & More | Matt Ober | Social Leverage
In this episode of Other Peopleâs Money, Matt Ober, General Partner at Social Leverage, discusses how the data economy is evolving for providers, vendors, and investors. He explains how AI is reshaping data business models, highlights emerging data sources in what he calls the âdegenerate economy,â and argues that many alternative data sets once considered sources of alpha are rapidly becoming commoditized beta.
Matt also shares how Social Leverage uses data to make seed stage venture investments, how its approach differs from that of mega VC firms, and where the firm is currently focuse...
Investing in Gray | Pictetâs Maria Vassalou on Aging Demographics and Technological Innovations
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Jack welcomes Maria Vassalou, head of the Pictet Research Institute, to discuss global demographic decline and how technological revolution is imperative to prevent economic stagnation. They talk about why aging populations in countries like China, Japan, and Italy pose a fundamental threat to traditional economic growth as dependency ratios are projected to exceed 50%. Maria argues that while these trends seem "gloomy" in isolation, the rise of robotics and AI provides a critical remedy by substituting for scarce labor...
China and the Reordering of World Trade | Former Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs Jay Shambaugh
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Jay Shambaugh, former Under Secretary of the Treasury for International Affairs, joins Jack to discuss U.S. economic relations, China, and more. He draws on his years of expertise to deliver important insights into how America has realigned itself in the world economic order in the second Trump administration. Recorded on December 17th, 2025.
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How Indiaâs Macro Tailwinds Are Fueling Its Aerospace & Defense Sectors | Andrei Stetsenko
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Andrei Stetsenko, partner and portfolio manager at Gymkhana Partners, discusses the explosive growth of India's economy, its strategic shift toward global defense and aerospace leadership, and under appreciated small-cap companies.
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From Bad to Less Bad: A Quantitative Approach to Turnarounds | Bloomberg Indicesâ Steve Hou on âReformers Index,â Baumol Disease, and Structural Inflation
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In this episode of Monetary Matters, Jack sits down with Steve Hou, Senior Quant Researcher at Bloomberg, to discuss the structural forces reshaping the global economy. Hou argues that we have entered a "structurally, modestly more inflationary regime" driven by five key forces: Decarbonization, Demographic aging, Deglobalization, Debt/Fiscal Dominance, and a secular rise in global Defense spending. The conversation explores the "Baumol Effectâ and Mike Greenâs theory of the poverty level.Â
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Allocators Want What They Want | Andrew Beer on Pod Shops, âVolatility Laundering,â and Building Liquid Alts That Donât Suck
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Why do institutional investors continue to flock to hedge funds when the average fund underperforms the S&P 500? In this deep-dive interview, Andrew Beer, founder and managing member of DBI, joins Jack Farley to pull back the curtain on the "broad insanity" of the institutional investment world and the evolution of the multi-strategy "pod" model.
Andrew argues that much of institutional decision-making...
How This Value Investor Beat the Market and Grew His Hedge Fund | Yaron Naymark | 1 Main Capital
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Over the last 8 years, Yaron Naymark, founder and managing partner of 1 Main Capital, has patiently grown his concentrated long-biased hedge fund by outperforming major equity benchmarks like the S&P 500. Any manager who has been in his shoes though will tell you that outperforming the market isnât enough to attract the institutional capital necessary to seriously scale a fund. Here he discusses the importance of consistency of...
The AI Data Center Short | Jim Chanos on Oracle, Data Centers Landlords, and GPU Merchants
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In this interview, Chanos breaks down why hosting GPUs is a commodity business with low returns and why the depreciation of AI chips (like Nvidiaâs) creates a massive financial risk for companies like CoreWeave and Oracle. He also discusses the dangers of private credit, the accounting tricks at Live Nation, and why the "unprofitable" nature of todayâs AI customers makes this cycle riskier than the Dotcom era. Recorded on December 11, 2025.
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âMother All Crisesâ | Luke Gromen on Americaâs Choice Between AI Dominance and Real Value of Treasury Market
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Luke Gromen of Forrest For The Trees argues that the US is facing the "Mother of All Crises": a forced choice between losing the AI race to China or destroying the US Treasury market. In this deep dive, we cover why the electrical grid is the ultimate bottleneck, why Bitcoin is flashing a warning signal for 2026, and the mathematical path to $15,000 gold. Recorded December 1, 2025.
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<...Beating Bitcoin at Scale with Directional Crypto Strategies | Sam Gaer of Monarq Asset Management
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Sam Gaer, CIO of Directional Strategies at Monarq Asset Management, joins Other Peopleâs Money to discuss how he uses quantitative directional strategies to trade crypto assets and produce an institutional quality return stream that has outperformed bitcoin at scale. He explains how his experience as a market maker, executive, and self-taught electronic exchange technologist driving some of the most important technological advances in finance led him to âburn the boats,â leave...
Why Metals Are Soaring While Oil Stalls | CME Chief Economist Erik Norland on Precious Metals, Oil, Copper, and More
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Erik Norland, Chief Economist at the CME Group, joins Jack Farley to discuss the wild volatility in commodity markets. With Silver up over 80% in the past year, Erik breaks down the technological shift from photography to solar panels that is driving demand. They discuss the global fiscal situation, where major economies from the US to Brazil are running deficits between 6% and 8% of GDP , creating a bid for gold prices as investors seek assets central banks can't print. Norland...
Chinaâs Involution Trap | Michael Pettis on China's Excess Savings, Industrial Overcapacity, and Exporting of Deflation
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In this episode of Monetary Matters, Jack sits down with Michael Pettis, Senior Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment, to deconstruct the massive economic imbalances between China and the rest of the world.
For decades, the global economy has relied on a specific mechanism: China suppresses domestic consumption to subsidize manufacturing, and the US runs massive deficits to absorb that excess supply. Pettis argues this model has reached its limit. They discuss the concept of "economic involution," why C...
The Lopsided Expansion | Aahan Menon on Why Long-Term Forecasts Donât Make Money, And The Growing Divergence Between AI CapEx And Labor Market
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Aahan Menon, founder of Prometheus Macro and a trusted "quant's quant" for sophisticated hedge funds, joins Jack Farley to explain why his models are signaling a meaningful shift down in risk. While previously striking a bullish tone, Aahan reveals why his institutional strategies have moved from "max bullish" to neutral on equities and commodities.
Aahan breaks down a concerning divergence in the economy: while GDP and spending are being propped up by a...
Breaking Down Michael Burryâs Big Nvidia Short Thesis and Open AIâs Massive Loss Projections | Jack & Max
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Jack Farley & Max Wiethe breakdown Michael Burryâs big Nvidia short thesis and the recent projections from HSBC that Open AI will lose nearly half a trillion dollars between now and 2030. They also discuss the recent repricing of Fed rate cuts in December and debate which companies are the biggest losers if AI turns out to be a bubble.
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As Good As It Gets? | Meb Faber on U.S. Stock Valuations, Trend Following, and Endowment Allocations To Private Markets
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In this episode of Monetary Matters, Jack welcomes Meb Faber, founder of Cambria Funds, to discuss the extreme valuations in the US stock market and where investors can still find value. Meb breaks down historical market cycles, comparing the current AI boom to the railroad bubbles of the past, and explains why "expensive uptrends" can persist longer than logic dictates.
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Venture Capitalâs Collision with Public Markets, the Dry Powder Bubble, and VC Metrics that Lie | James Wang of Creative Ventures
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James Wang, General Partner at Creative Ventures and author of âWhat You Need to Know About AIâ joins Other Peopleâs Money to discuss the most pressing issues facing venture capital right now including: VCâs collision with public markets, the âRIAifactionâ of VC firms, and the reality that there is still too much dry powder propping up venture valuations. Wang also disc...
Demystifying First Brands Groupâs $ 12 Billion Bankruptcy | Robert Smith of the Financial Times
Robert Smith, Corporate Finance Editor at the FT, joins Jack to discuss the recent $12 billion bankruptcy of First Brands Group that has shocked the financial world. He explains the history of First Brands, its collapse, and the companyâs ongoing bankruptcy proceedings. Robert also discusses the larger world of private credit and if First Brands is the first of many âcredit cockroaches.â The bankruptcy is of particular interest given the fact that it could be a signal of further problems on the horizon of the private credit market. Recorded on November 21st, 2025.
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The Fed Wonât Pop AI: It Will Save Housing | Blue Doorâs Dan Krausz On The Three Neutral Rates, The Liquidity Waterfall, and Why Profits Rising While Employment Falters Is Not Bearish For The Stock Market
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Dan Krausz of Blue Door Asset Management joins Monetary Matters to argue that the global economy is currently driven by two dominant macro factors: aggressive fiscal policy and Artificial Intelligence. He breaks down the concept of a "three-speed economy," explaining how 6% fiscal deficits create a "liquidity waterfall" that funds the government first while leaving housing and small businesses in a silent recession. Dan posits the c...
Is The AI Bubble Popping? | Jack and Max on Data Center Debt, Fragile Markets, and Insurance Companies
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As investorsâ outlook on AI capital expenditure sours, Jack and Max explore the rising debt issuance to fund artificial intelligence development, and the faltering share prices of companies with exposure to the âAI factorâ: the hyperscalers (particularly Oracle), the chip companies, and the neoclouds such as Coreweave and Nebius. Jack then looks at two insurance companies, Kinsale and Palomar, as insurance sector does its part to hold up the S&P 500...
AI Euphoria Is Rolling Over | Lyn Alden on Bitcoin Correction, Who Satoshi Is, Data Center CapEx, and Whether AI Is A Bubble
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In a change of pace, Lyn Alden of Lyn Alden Investment Strategy returns to Monetary Matters not to talk macro, but to discuss in-depth her views on AI capital expenditures that are driving a majority of the economic growth in the United States. Describing herself as âa moderate bull on AI,â Alden argues that AI is masking the true weakness of the U.S. economy, and that, while AI will prove to transform industries, there could be hiccups in the huge sums that...