Dare to be Different with Craig White
Delve into the stories of sporting champions, corporate visionaries, and everyday parents who redefine leadership. In each episode, I explore the journeys of leaders who have undergone profound transformations, emerging stronger and wiser. From overcoming challenges to embracing change, our guests share insights and lessons learned along their paths to success.Tune in and discover what it takes to lead with authenticity and courage in every aspect of life.
S2E13 Daniel Granger - From Body Fixers to Breakdown: The Pain Behind the Persona

Daniel Granger looked like he had it all.
A successful hairdresser. A public figure. TV appearances. A big personality. But behind the scenes? He was exhausted. Addicted. Broken.
In this raw and honest episode, Dan sits down with me to share the truth behind the mask. From childhood trauma and addiction to homelessness, suicide attempts and deep-rooted mistrust of men, this is a story about surviving, and eventually healing.
Dan talks about:
Growing up in chaos and losing his dad at 8Finding safety in feminine spaces after being abused by the men...S2E12: Diego Sanchez - From Global Fame to Grounded Healing

Diego Sanchez was one of the top male models in the world — fronting major campaigns and living a life of global travel, status, and success.
But at 29, something cracked.
In this episode, I sit down with Diego to talk about the quiet breakdown that happened behind the success… and the journey that followed.
From the catwalks of the fashion world to the forests of Uruguay, Diego now works as a somatic therapist and retreat leader helping others reconnect with their bodies and nervous systems.
We explore:
Letting go of ego and e...S2E11: Keith McGuinnes - When ‘Healthy’ Is Just Another Mask

The diagnosis that changed everything: Keith McGuinnes on cancer, masculinity, and the power of receiving
What happens when a fit, healthy yoga teacher steeped in Eastern practices, meditation and spiritual growth is suddenly diagnosed with cancer?
In this episode, I sit down with Keith McGuinnes, founder of Awaken Intimacy and co-founder of The Open Institute, to explore how a life-threatening illness forced him to stop pushing, start receiving, and finally open to the deeper lessons of intimacy, vulnerability and connection.
We talk about:
The shock of receiving a cancer diagnosis...S2E10: Emmet Byrne - Why Men's Health is Failing

Why are so many men exhausted, disconnected, and running on empty — even when they look like they’ve got it all together?
In this episode, I sit down with Dr Emmet Byrne - a former Ireland rugby international turned men’s health doctor - to unpack what’s really going wrong with modern masculinity, medicine, and mental health.
We explore:
Why the medical system is failing menThe truth about testosterone decline (and why TRT isn’t a quick fix)The link between movement, strength, and emotional healthWhy we’ve normalised feeling average — and how to bre...S2E9: Shaun Edwards - The Kind Warrior

Fresh off France’s Six Nations win, I sat down with my old mate Shaun Edwards for a rare, wide-ranging conversation.
This isn’t just an interview — it’s two lads from Wigan catching up after decades walking very different, but strangely parallel paths. Both of us came up through rugby, through hard graft and old-school values. But over time, we’ve both had to evolve. As coaches. As leaders. As men.
We talked about it all, from the early days and the systems that changed the game, to fear, fatherhood, grief, and what it means to l...
S2E8: Jeremy Bettle - Why Men Burn Out at the Top

From the outside, Jeremy Bettle had it all — a high-profile career in elite sport, working with some of the world’s most successful athletes and organisations. But behind the scenes, he was running on empty.
In this episode, Jeremy shares the quiet crisis that brought him to a breaking point, and the path he took to rebuild a life rooted in presence, truth, and vitality.
We talk about:
The cost of performing and pushing for too longWhy success without meaning leads to burnoutLetting go of identity and walking into the unknownThe medicine in movement, men’...S2E7: Martin Bone - Why Men Must Learn To Move

Movement is more than just physical. It’s emotional. Energetic. Transformational.
In this episode, I’m joined by my good friend and co-facilitator of the ICONIC program, Martin Bone. We explore the deeper meaning of movement and dance, not as performance, but as a powerful doorway back into the body.
For many men, especially those raised in the UK and Ireland, movement became linear - lifting weights, pushing harder, always doing. But in that, freedom, expression, and spontaneity got lost.
We talk about how reclaiming movement helped us both heal old wounds, reconnect with...
S2E6: Scott Ford - The Secret to Playing in the Zone

Athletes talk about it like it’s magic. That moment when everything slows down, the game feels effortless, and they’re completely in the zone.
But what if flow state wasn’t random? What if you could access it on demand?
I sit down with Scott Ford—author, coach, and a pioneer in non-dual awareness in sport. He’s spent over 40 years teaching athletes how to enter and sustain flow states intentionally, rather than just hoping it happens.
What is Flow State in Sport?
S2E5: Mark Walsh - Why Men Need to Get Out of Their Heads

Most men spend their lives in their heads: overthinking, overanalysing, and second-guessing. But true leadership, confidence, and resilience don’t start in the mind, they start in the body.
In this episode, I sit down with Mark Walsh, one of the world’s leading embodiment coaches, to explore why so many men feel disconnected from their power and how reconnecting with the body can transform how they lead, train, and show up in the world.
This isn’t just theory. Mark has worked with elite professionals, trauma survivors, corporate leaders, and athletes worldwide, helping them develo...
S2E4: Rod Boothroyd - Why Men Struggle to Lead

This episode isn’t just about leadership—it’s about self-awareness, emotional mastery, and the deeper work men need to do to lead with confidence and integrity.
In this conversation, I sit down with Rod Boothroyd, who has spent over two decades working with men, helping them uncover what’s holding them back and step into their full leadership potential.
We dive deep into the reasons why so many men struggle with leadership—whether in their careers, relationships, or personal lives.
Rod shares his insights from psychotherapy, shadow work, and men’s development, unpacking why...
S2E3: Matty Peet - Going Deeper

Matty Peet is back. After a phenomenal few years leading Wigan Rugby League to unprecedented success, I sit down with him to reflect on the highs, the challenges, and what it really takes to lead at the highest level.
From winning every available trophy to managing the relentless demands of elite coaching, Matty shares the lessons he’s learned—not just about rugby, but about leadership, resilience, and personal growth. He opens up about the pressures of expectation, the importance of connection, and why he believes every coach needs a coach.
This episode isn’t just a...
S2E2: Cody Royle - Why Coaches Need Coaches

In this episode, I sit down with Cody Royle, a coach to elite head coaches in professional sports and author of three impactful books, including the Amazon bestseller The Tough Stuff.
Cody shares his journey from coaching Australia’s national Aussie Rules team to mentoring some of the top leaders in soccer, basketball, rugby, and beyond. Together, they explore the emotional toll of leadership, the power of self-awareness, and the profound impact of integrating personal growth into coaching.
Show Notes
Cody’s Journey:
From playing Aussie Rules football to becoming a coac...S2E1: Martin Offiah - Becoming Comfortable with the Uncomfortable

I sit down with Martin Offiah, rugby league legend and cultural icon, to explore his journey from a young boy in Hackney to becoming one of the greatest try-scorers in the history of the sport.
In this deeply personal conversation, Martin reflects on the mentors who shaped his career, the challenges of breaking barriers, and the lessons he’s learned about resilience and self-belief. From his rugby triumphs to his advocacy for sustainability and electric vehicles, Martin shares his powerful story of transformation and greatness.
This is an episode for anyone who wants to learn how...
S1E17: The Best of 2024

In the season finale of Dare to Be Different, I look back at the best moments from 2024 - a collection of powerful stories, raw truths, and deep transformations from the men who joined me this year.
Matty Peet
Matty shares his experience leading Wigan Warriors, redefining leadership, and balancing the demands of professional coaching with authenticity and self-awareness.
Andrew Jenkins
Andrew reflects on completing The Big Trek—1,200km across four nations—raising awareness for brain injury while sharing his powerful story of recovery, grit, and determination.
Mart...
S1E16: Piers Cross - Are Our Leaders Traumatised?

In this episode of Dare to Be Different, I sit down with Piers Cross - author, filmmaker, and leadership coach specialising in trauma and peak performance.
Together, we explore a question that cuts to the heart of leadership today: Are our leaders carrying unresolved trauma, and how does it impact their ability to lead?
Piers shares powerful insights into the emotional wounds many leaders carry, particularly those shaped by environments like boarding schools. This conversation dives deep into how unhealed trauma manifests in leadership, from disconnection to unhealthy power dynamics, and offers tools for cultivating...
S1E15: Traver Boehm - Why Men Need Men
In this episode, I sit down with Traver Boehm, author, speaker, and founder of the Man Uncivilized movement. Traver’s work has been a beacon for men seeking to reclaim their authentic selves in a world that often stifles true masculinity.
Together, we explore why men need men—why male connection and community are essential not just for personal growth but for creating a life of purpose, power, and connection. From redefining vulnerability to tackling shame and isolation head-on, this episode is a raw, honest, and impactful conversation for anyone ready to step into their full potential.
S1E14: Chris Brown - Why Men Must Start Telling the Truth

In this episode the tables turn as guest Chris Brown steps into the interviewer’s seat to ask me the hard-hitting questions about life, purpose, and leadership.
Kicking off with a powerful opener, Chris asks: “How do you stay strong and resilient in today’s world while staying true to yourself?”
From there, we explore what it means to live authentically as men in a world full of expectations. I reveal the pivotal moments in my life, my personal battles, and how redefining my purpose brought me closer to a fulfilling, intentional life.
Introduct...
S1E13: Pat Divilly - Embracing Your Shadow

I sit down with Pat Divilly, an author, speaker, and expert in breathwork and shadow work. Together, we dive deep into what it means to navigate change in today's world and the importance of embracing your shadow self. From personal struggles to professional transformations, Pat shares his journey of moving beyond limiting beliefs, stepping out of societal boxes, and learning to live with authenticity and freedom. We explore themes of fear, vulnerability, and what it takes for men to truly grow.
Show Notes:
Navigating Change:Pat shares his thoughts on the inevitability...S1E12: Robert Masters - Becoming Intimate With All That We Are

I interview Dr. Robert Masters, an acclaimed integral psychotherapist, psycho-spiritual guide, and author. Together, we explore the path to emotional embodiment and what it means to truly embrace all parts of ourselves, including the shadowy aspects we often avoid. Dr. Robert brings decades of experience to a conversation rich with insights about emotional intimacy, shadow work, the role of anger in masculinity, and the journey toward self-acceptance. From the warrior archetype to addiction, intimacy, and spirituality, this episode is a deep dive into becoming fully intimate with all that we are.
Show Notes:
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S1E11: Keith Witt - The Route to a Man's Heart

I sit down with Dr. Keith Witt, a licensed psychologist, teacher, and author with over 75,000 therapy sessions and eight published books. Dr. Witt, an expert in love, relationships, and personal development, unpacks what it means to be a man in today’s world. The discussion delves into self-love, the hero’s journey, and the transformative power of intimate relationships. Dr. Witt weaves together neuroscience, Integral theory, and wisdom from various forms of psychotherapy to offer practical insights and profound truths about the modern man’s path to emotional and psychological fulfillment. Tune in for an inspiring conversation about masculinity, emotio...
S1E10: Sean Long - The Struggle to be Authentic

I sit down with Rugby League icon Sean Long to talk about his incredible journey from signing with Wigan at just 15 years old to becoming one of the most respected players in the game.
But his path wasn't always smooth. Sean opens up about the intense highs of winning championships and the crushing lows of injuries, struggles with mental health, and the challenges he faced post-retirement.
This is a raw and honest conversation about resilience, authenticity, and the power of staying true to oneself, no matter the obstacles.
S1E09: Antonio Vizintín - Surviving the Impossible

In this episode, I sit down with Antonio Vizintin, one of the 16 survivors of the 1972 Andes plane crash.
Antonio, also known as "Tintin," shares his harrowing journey of survival over 72 days in one of the world’s most unforgiving environments. From being a 19-year-old rugby player on a flight to Chile to enduring unimaginable conditions in the Andes, Antonio’s story is one of resilience, transformation, and teamwork.
He discusses the critical role rugby played in his survival, the tough decisions the group had to make, and how the ordeal shaped his life and perspective. Antoni...
S1E08: Dr Liam Hennessy - The Secret Behind Irish Rugby

Episode description
In this episode, I sit down with Dr. Liam Hennessy, a pioneer in sports performance and coach education, and the founder of Setanta College. Liam shares his transformative journey through the highs and lows of life, including his influential role in the development of Irish rugby and his personal battle with cancer. We dive deep into the power of relationships, the art of transformation, and the profound lessons learned from life's challenges.
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S1E07: Chris Brown - Transforming as Men in Relationships

In this episode, I sit down with Chris Brown, a professional coach and devoted father. Chris shares his incredible journey of personal transformation and the deep impact it has had on his relationships. From overcoming the challenges of separation to redefining what it means to be a present and loving partner and father, Chris's story is a testament to the power of self-awareness, therapy, and the importance of male friendships. Tune in to explore themes of vulnerability, intimacy, and the continuous journey toward personal and relational growth.
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S1E06: Craig White - Journey of Leadership
In this special episode, the tables are turned as Craig is the one being interviewed, by his co-pilot and guest from Episode 3, Martin Bone. Craig talks about his early influences and experiences in professional rugby, right through to his profound awakening through yoga and meditation. He discusses the importance of emotional intelligence, authentic leadership, and the ongoing process of personal growth.
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Early Influences and Background
Childhood and Family: The significant influence of Craig's parents on his early understanding of leadership.School and Sports: Early leadership experiences in s...S1E05: Stevie Ward - The Gift of Radical Acceptance

Craig interviews Stevie Ward, former professional rugby league player and youngest captain of Leeds Rhinos. Stevie shares his transformative journey from the heights of a successful rugby career to the challenges of early retirement due to a brain injury. He opens up about the struggles of coping with physical and mental health issues, finding new purpose through his men's health organisation, Mantality, and the ongoing process of self-discovery and healing. Join us as Stevie discusses the importance of vulnerability, acceptance, and authenticity in navigating life's toughest transitions.
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Introduction
S1E04: Rhys Thomas - From Pain to Purpose

Craig White interviews Rhys Thomas, a former elite professional rugby player turned breathwork facilitator and coach. Rhys shares his remarkable story of transformation after a life-altering heart attack at the age of 29. He discusses his journey through the darkest times of his life, battling physical and mental health challenges, and his ultimate path to healing and purpose. Rhys opens up about the importance of vulnerability, the power of breathwork, and his mission to help others through his coaching and mental health initiatives. Join us to hear Rhys' inspiring story of resilience, recovery, and redemption.
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S1E03: Martin Bone - The Man Who Made Meditation Cool

Craig chats to Martin Bone, a renowned meditation coach and yoga instructor from Liverpool. Martin shares his transformative journey from a tennis coach to a meditation guru, detailing his experiences in Thailand and Mexico, his deep connection to yoga, and the creation of his successful meditation practice in Liverpool. Join us as Martin discusses the importance of presence, the power of group meditation, and the profound impact of mindfulness on mental health and overall wellbeing.
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Introduction
Craig White welcomes listeners and introduces Martin Bone, a...S1E02: Andrew Jenkins - From Death's Door to a Second Chance of Life

Craig sits down with Andrew Jenkins, star of BBC’s The Traitors, a motivational speaker and mental health coach, and former rugby player, whose life took a dramatic turn at the age of 21. Andrew shares his incredible story of surviving a near-fatal car accident, overcoming severe physical and mental health challenges, and finding a new purpose in life. His journey is one of resilience, determination, and unwavering passion to help others struggling with mental health issues. Tune in to hear Andrew's transformative experiences, the lessons he's learned, and his mission to make a positive impact on the world.
S1E01: Matty Peet - Building a Sports Family

Craig sits down for a chat with Matty Peet, the devoted husband, father, and head coach of the Wigan Rugby League team, the current world champions. Matty shares his journey from being a passionate rugby player to leading one of the most successful rugby teams in the world. This conversation delves into his coaching philosophy, the importance of family, and the values that drive his leadership style. Tune in to hear Matty's inspiring story and gain insights into what it takes to lead a world-class team with heart and dedication.
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