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Being punished for crimes you haven’t committed yet sounds like Minority Report. But in 15 states—including California—it’s the law. Under the Sexually Violent Predator Act (SVP), offenders who’ve already served their time can be held indefinitely if experts believe they’re likely to reoffend.

In this episode of DEVIANT: Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz sits down with Dr. Samantha Stein, forensic psychologist and author of Evil at Our Table: Inside the Minds of the Monsters Who Live Among Us. Dr. Stein is one of the few evaluators trusted to decide whether violent sexual offenders sh...

Former ATF agent Jay Dobyns spent 27 years undercover, from Waco and Columbine to infiltrating the Hell’s Angels in Operation Black Biscuit. In this Off Script conversation, he tells hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden what it takes to live inside America’s most violent worlds—and survive.

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Anthony Sowell terrorized Cleveland’s Mount Pleasant neighborhood in the late 2000s. A convicted rapist and registered sex offender, he went unnoticed for years—even as neighbors complained about a foul stench they thought came from the sausage factory next door. By the time police finally acted, 11 women were gone.

Hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden take you inside Sowell’s house of horrors. From the overlooked red flags to the night a woman leapt from his attic window, this is the story of how one man preyed on a neglected community—and how authorities failed to stop him...

Former cop, detective and firearms instructor Glen Williams sits down with host Andrew Iden to talk about what the job really does to people—and how to survive it. This is a candid conversation about trauma (on the street, at home, and inside the chain of command), the cases that stick with you, and why talking about it might be the only way through. If you work in law enforcement, EMS, fire, dispatch—or you cover crime—you’ll feel this one.

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Ever wonder what private investigators really do when the cameras aren’t rolling? Forget the Hollywood clichés—no wiretaps, no lockpicks, no magic gadgets. In this episode, host Andrew Iden and veteran PI Ken Childs pulls back the curtain on the realities of surveillance, insurance fraud cases, missing persons, and the risks of being spotted in the field.

From tense stakeouts in Beverly Hills to dangerous encounters in bad neighborhoods, Childs shares 27 years of experience tracking cheaters, scammers, and fraudsters across Los Angeles. He also reveals how new technology—Ring cams, social media, and ope...

Co-host Andrew Iden sits down with James A. Gagliano — West Point grad, former FBI Hostage Rescue Team operator, undercover agent, and two-term mayor — for a no-BS debrief on what the job really takes and how the mission shifted after 9/11. If you care about organized crime, counterterrorism, and the reality of modern policing, this one delivers.

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Join Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden as they discuss recent updates in the cases they've been following, including the Devil's Den murders in Arkansas. The hosts share their thoughts on various policing strategies, polygraph use and extremism. Listen for insightful commentary and updates on ongoing investigations, and find out what's coming next on all things DEVIANT.

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You've been conned, and now you're getting revenge. That's the story of Johnathan Walton, our guest on DEVIANT Off Script. In this episode, Johnathan shares his harrowing experience of being swindled out of nearly $100,000 by a professional con artist who pretended to be his best friend. After years of investigation, he's now dedicated to exposing these scammers and protecting others. He's the author of 'Anatomy of a Con Artist' and shares the vital red flags you need to watch out for so you don't end up a victim. Listen for valuable lessons, and Johnathan's incredible journey to justice.

On a summer afternoon hike in Arkansas' Devil's Den State Park, tragedy strikes a family when Clinton and Cristin Brink are attacked in front of their children. The children survive. Their parents don't. The assailant: a mysterious man dressed in black. This episode of 'Deviant' brings you the details of the crime, the immediate police response and the intense manhunt that ensues. Host Dan Szematowicz explores the discovery and arrest of suspect Andrew James McGann, his alleged confession, and the evidence police say links him to the murders. As the investigation unfolds, we dig into the suspect's background, the...

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In this episode of Deviant Off Script, host Andrew Iden engages in a deep and intense conversation with Clark Fredericks, author of 'Scarred.' Fredericks recounts his harrowing journey of surviving childhood sexual abuse, and the impactful decision to confront and ultimately kill his abuser. He delves into the psychological and emotional turmoil that ensued, his struggles with substance abuse, and his path through the legal system. Fredericks also discusses his process of healing and transformation into a motivational speaker and advocate, aiming to help others overcome their trauma. This episode provides a raw...

In this episode of Deviant Summer School, host Andrew Iden sits down with Michael Yoder, a former agent in the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit (BAU), here to explain how criminal profiling actually works. From dispelling Hollywood misconceptions to discussing the intricate process of developing profiles, Yoder provides an in-depth look into how the BAU operates in reality.

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We're diving dive deep into the world of polygraphs, interrogations, and lie detection with Brad Beeler, a former Secret Service agent with 25 years of experience. Brad shares insights from his illustrious career in protective services and polygraph examination, including the science behind polygraphs, how investigators use them to detect truth and practical strategies from his new book, 'Tell Me Everything.' Learn how to read body language, decode social cues, and understand the emotional impact of working with criminals. Whether you're negotiating at a car dealership or navigating personal relationships, Brad's expertise will make you more adept at spotting...

Have you ever wondered how police handle a missing child case? In this episode of Deviant Summer School, retired detective Jeff Bell, who worked for the Sarasota County Sheriff's Office, shares his experiences and insights. He discusses his involvement in the high-profile Carlie Brucia case, the investigative process behind missing child cases and the emotional challenges faced by detectives. Jeff also provides an in-depth look at the role of family dynamics, the coordination required among agencies, and the use of Amber Alerts and technology in solving these cases. Join us for an authentic inside look at what goes on...

(AUDIO ONLY) How do you catch a spy if you're an FBI counterintelligence agent? In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we dive into the 80-year cat-and-mouse game of espionage. Host Dan Szematowicz interviews LaRae Quy, a former FBI agent who spent almost 25 years protecting the U.S. from Russian and Chinese spies. LaRae shares stories from her career, discusses the evolution of counterintelligence through the fall of the Soviet Union and post-9/11 era, and provides insights into mental toughness and resilience. It's a conversation about espionage, intelligence work, and the complexities of national security.

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In Part 2 of our DEVIANT Summer School class on homicide investigations, retired Chicago Police homicide Detective Mike Hammond takes us through the intricate process of catching killers. From establishing motive and gathering evidence to working with prosecutors and navigating the complexities of cold cases, Mike shares his extensive experience and insights. He discusses the challenges of dealing with victims' families, the importance of physical evidence, and the crucial role of DNA in solving old cases. Learn about the realities and nuances of homicide investigations, and hear stories from Mike, who has solved hundreds of homicide cases.<...

In this episode, host Andrew Iden talks with Jacob Moon, a US Army veteran and former corrections officer who has transitioned into a true crime writer. Jacob shares his journey from serving in the military to accidentally finding a career in corrections, the challenges and dangers of working behind bars, and the importance of respect and restraint in dealing with inmates. He also discusses how his structured and disciplined background influenced his writing career and his latest book, 'Letter 26', which explores the mind of a serial killer.

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It's Deviant Summer School's deep dive into the world of homicide investigations. Featuring former Chicago homicide detective Mike Hammond, part one of of a two part exploration covers the initial phases of an investigation—from receiving the call and processing the crime scene to gathering critical evidence and interviewing witnesses. Learn about the meticulous steps detectives take within the crucial first few days and get a unique insight into the realities of solving homicides in one of America's busiest cities.

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From Ted Bundy to Gary Ridgeway, why does the Pacific Northwest produce so many serial killers? Join host Dan Szematowicz as he sits down with Pulitzer Prize winner Caroline Fraser, author of 'Murderland: Crime and Bloodlust in the Time of Serial Killers,' to try and unravel this bizarre mystery. Caroline and Dan delve into theories, including the lead-crime hypothesis, geographical oddities and our societal obsession with serial killers. Also, they explore the fascinating and eerie connections between environment, crime, and our darker curiosities.

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Join us as we kick off our new series, Deviant Summer School, where we bring experts to give in-depth insights into their fields. In this first episode, we talk to Dr. Darrin Porcher, a criminal justice expert with over 20 years in the NYPD. They explore the intricacies of policing in America, discussing geographical differences, crime statistics, the Broken Window Theory, and the daily challenges faced by officers and detectives. This episode provides a comprehensive overview of how policing functions and the critical issues it faces today.

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Former FBI agent Jerri Williams shares her extensive career spent catching scammers, con artists, and fraudsters. Williams discusses her unexpected path to the FBI, the challenges she faced as a minority and a woman in the bureau, and her notable cases, including an intriguing credit extortion investigation. She also delves into her endeavors post-retirement, including her work as an author and prolific podcaster, and her collaborative efforts with Hollywood to bring authentic FBI stories to the screen. Join the fascinating conversation and learn about the real-life experiences behind the badge.

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In a quiet suburb of Utah, a Mormon man killed his wife, before committing suicide. Multiple neighbors described them as a normal couple whom they had never seen quarrel. But this isn't a whodunit. The police investigation never wavered on who committed the crime. The question is, why? Why did the lives of this seemingly normal couple end in such tragic fashion. Finding the answers will take us from Catholic Italian New Jersey to a very non-Mormon lifestyle in Los Angeles to a funeral in Florida. And we'll learn the answers from many woman, living around the country, all...

The person sitting next to you on the plane may be armed, and that's not a bad thing. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz delves into the secretive world of Federal Air Marshals with David Londo, President of the Air Marshal National Council. David shares his journey from a local police officer to becoming an air marshal post-9/11 and provides insights into the rigorous selection and training process. They discuss the history of air marshals, the changes in roles post-9/11, and the chaos and challenges in air travel post-pandemic. David also shares a gripping story...

Join Deviant host Dan Szematowicz for a conversation with Dr. Leah Kaylor, a psychologist and sleep specialist at the FBI. Dr. Kaylor shares a wealth of practical tips to enhance your sleep quality, from establishing relaxing bedtime routines to understanding the impact of body temperature and exercise. Learn how she helps FBI agents and law enforcement staff cope with trauma and sleep disturbances. Discover innovative techniques like EMDR and Brainspotting for managing nightmares and PTSD. Plus, get a sneak peek into her upcoming book 'The Sleep Advantage.' This episode is a must if you're looking to improve your...

On May 25, 2025, Grant Hardin, a convicted killer and former police chief, walks out of the North Central Unit in Calico Rock, Arkansas, disguised in a makeshift guard uniform. His escape sets off an intense manhunt involving the FBI, state police, and federal agencies. In this episode of DEVIANT, host Andrew Iden delves into Hardin's dark history, including the brutal 2017 murder of James Appleton and a cold case sexual assault from 1997. Expert insights from former prosecutor Nathan Smith and corrections consultant Michael Cantrell reveal the challenges law enforcement faces in capturing such a dangerous individual. After more than two weeks...

(AUDIO ONLY) Former police sergeant Patrick O'Donnell joins Deviant Off Script to discuss his 25-year career with the Milwaukee Police Department, his experiences during the crack wars and his transition to becoming a best-selling author. Patrick shares crazy stories from his time on the force, insights into his post-retirement life and his work helping writers accurately depict police procedures in their work. Patrick's also gives a taste of his new book, 'The Good Collar.'

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Former journalist Michael Mayo recounts his experience covering the executions of two serial killers for the South Florida Sun Sentinel. Mayo details the emotional journey of interviewing victims' families, and witnessing the executions of Danny Rolling and Aileen Wuornos. He shares his perspective on the death penalty, describing the sterile and surreal atmosphere of the death chamber and reflects on the complex moral and ethical considerations surrounding capital punishment.

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Sex is an integral part of human nature, but it sometimes intersects with crime in troubling ways. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Dan Szematowicz sits down with Doug Fifer, a former Anchorage Police Department officer renowned for his work in hostage negotiation and sex crime investigation. Fifer discusses his new book, '50 Shades of True Crime,' which delves into the psychology of sex criminals and the nature of sexual deviancy. From hostage negotiation scenarios to serial killers, Doug shares gripping insights from his 25-year career. He also talks about the importance of law enforcement and...

Brian Townsend, a retired DEA agent, shares his journey into federal law enforcement, his experiences with drug enforcement, nd his views on the ongoing battle against drug addiction in the United States. From his early days in Missouri and Kansas to his extensive work with the DEA, Townsend discusses the complexities of the drug trade, the process of joining the DEA, and the importance of empathy in addressing addiction. Tune in to hear about his career highlights, including high-stakes raids, the evolution of methamphetamine and fentanyl trafficking controlled by cartels, and his current work in training, consulting, and public...

We get a lot of questions and a lot of comments, so in this episode, DEVIANT hosts Dan Szematowicz and Andrew Iden tackles them all. How does DEVIANT get made? How do we choose stories? Do Andrew and Dan hate each other? Your questions and comments answered, and all will be revealed!

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(2/2) In part two of our conversation with retired FBI agent Scott Payne, host Andrew Iden continues his deep dive into Steve’s years spent undercover in some of America's most dangerous circles. In part two, Scott delves into his experiences infiltrating white supremacist groups like the KKK and The Base. He reveals harrowing tales of close calls, murder plots, and the inner workings of these radical organizations. Scott also shares personal stories about the challenges and sacrifices of living a double life while maintaining his optimism about humanity.

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(1/2) In this episode of Deviant Off Script, we dive into the world of undercover law enforcement with retired FBI agent Scott Payne. Scott takes us through his incredible journey of infiltrating outlaw biker gangs, neo-Nazis, the KKK, and other extremist groups in America. He shares the psychological toll and personal challenges that come with living a double life, and provides a glimpse into his fascinating new book, 'Code Name Pale Horse.' This captivating conversation was so extensive and rich with stories that we've split it into two parts. Tune in for part one of Scott Payne's mind-blowing experiences...

In 2014, Cory Barron is out for a night of fun at a stadium in Cleveland. He’s there to see Jason Aldean, and by all accounts, he’s having a great time. And then, he’s gone, seemingly into thin air. A few days later, his body is found in a landfill one county over. What happened to Cory Barron, and can police find justice?

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DEVIANT hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz gather to announce the next DEVIANT story, (starting next week), and let you know what you can expect.

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In this powerful episode of Deviant Off Script, host Andrew Iden delves into the extraordinary life of Iran Nazario. Once entrenched in gang violence and crime, Iran turned his life around after years of struggle, trauma, and incarceration. He now leads the Peace Center of Connecticut, dedicating his life to helping others avoid the path he once walked. This episode explores Iran's traumatic childhood, his journey through gang culture, and his transformation into a community leader and advocate for peace.

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Serial killers are natural deceivers, but hearing them describe their crimes in their own words has big value. It can help us understand how their minds work, and gives investigators the tools to catch future killers. In this episode, DEVIANT host Dan Szematowicz revisits some of the show's more intense serial killer confessions. Serial killers Israel Keyes, Anthony Sowell and Joseph Daniel Miller tell stories of their killings, and open up windows into their dark souls.

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A special look at daily true crime pod, Morning Cup of Murder.

Morning Cup of Murder delivers daily true crime stories in quick, bite-sized episodes.

With over 2,000 episodes and more than 40 million downloads, host Korina Biemesderfer, has a way of making each case compelling, whether it’s a well-known crime or one you’ve never heard of.

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Join DEVIANT host Andrew Iden as he gets to know Andrea Thompson, one of the stars of the groundbreaking TV show NYPD Blue. In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, Andrea discusses her journey into acting, her experiences on the show, and her unique transition to journalism. From formative childhood performances in Dayton, Ohio, to riding along with NYPD detectives, Andrea shares fascinating insights into her diverse career.

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In this episode of DEVIANT Off Script, host Andrew Iden interviews former police chief and US Marshal Rick McCubbin. Rick delves into the unique challenges and experiences of leading small-town police departments, contrasting them with his time in larger cities like Louisville. He provides a detailed account of handling the tragic and unsolved murder of Officer Jason Ellis in Bardstown, highlighting the emotional toll and complexities of such a case. From his early aspirations in Kentucky to his significant roles in federal law enforcement, Rick offers a compelling narrative on what it means to serve and protect. It’s an...

DEVIANT's exploration of the Hart Family homicides concludes with hosts Andrew Iden and Dan Szematowicz finding conclusions, searching for truths and trying to answer the big question: "why?" Also, we play some of the sound that we weren't able to get to in the previous episodes, and share listener thoughts.

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Join DEVIANT host Andrew Iden as he speaks with Alan Duke, a veteran reporter, editor, and producer with a long tenure at CNN. Duke shares his journey from a local DJ in Carrollton, Georgia, to covering major celebrity trials and true-crime stories, including the deaths of Michael Jackson and Anna Nicole Smith. Along the way, he recounts memorable courtroom experiences, the evolution of forensic technology in solving crimes, and the intricacies of working in LA's crime reporting scene. Don’t miss this deep dive into a lifetime of fascinating crime journalism.

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