Exceptionally Good: Leaders for a Better World
We bring you in-depth interviews with exceptional leaders who drive toward a different bottom line — leaders from health care, philanthropy, non-profits, education and rescue services who are doing exceptional work for the good of the world. Exploring their origin stories, their leadership journey and the lessons they learned on their path -- sometimes the hard way -- we bring you close to understand how exceptional leaders tick.On Instagram and Threads@e.g.exceptionallygood.orgFollow us on Instagram and Threads@e.g.exceptionallygoodExceptionally Good Articles on Substack:https://substack.com/@exceptionallygoodMore from Exceptionally Good:📧 ryan@exceptionallygood.orgWork with Ryan:https://www.ex...
26. Dr. Alison Lee — Human Connection, AI and the Work of Keeping Centered Who & What Matters
This episode, I’m delighted to welcome Dr. Alison Lee—a friend, a former colleague, and someone whose influence on my own leadership is deeper than she probably knows.
Some of the work I’m most proud of in my career—work focused on belonging, justice, and what it actually means to help young people thrive—came from collaboration, action, and studied reflection alongside Alison. She brings together a researcher’s mind, a brilliant intellect, and a heart anchored like granite in equity and human development. If you’ve ever had the chance to connect with her, you...
25. Kirstin Lund of the Order of PEI — Courage, Collaboration & Community Change
This episode, I’m joined by Kirstin Lund — mediator, changemaker, and fierce advocate for safer, stronger communities in Stratford, Prince Edward Island.
Kirstin began her career practicing law, but soon discovered that true transformation often happens not in courtrooms, but in conversation. In 1996, she founded Collaboration School, dedicating her work to mediation, facilitation, and helping people navigate conflict with empathy and clarity.
Her leadership has shaped PEI in profound ways. She founded the PEI Coalition for Women’s Leadership, chaired the Advisory Council on the Status of Women, and co-fou...
24. Luke Di Sessa - Building Men of Character in a Time That Needs Them
At a time when the world needs men of character, it is my delight to host a conversation with a leader who is working to foster spaces for them.
Luke Di Sessa — a powerful leader in Australia whose life’s work centers on developing men of character and helping them step into authentic, emotionally intelligent leadership.
Luke is the CEO and Co-Founder of Good Better Best Men, a not-for-profit organization dedicated to creating safe, courageous spaces where men can face their internal challenges, build resilience, and grow into grounded, heart-led leaders. In a cult...
23. Lina Jean Fritz — Rising with Resilience & Evolving Leadership from Warrior to Diplomat
This episode's guest is Lina Jean Fritz, a Chicago-based, C-suite nonprofit leader in strategy and innovation whose work sits at the intersection of equity and moral courage in access to the work force and higher education.
Lina is a first-generation college graduate, the daughter of restaurant workers, and someone whose early life was shaped by movement—growing up across Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi before graduating from a public high school in Mississippi and heading north to attend the University of Chicago.
From there, Lina’s career took her through teaching, instructional lead...
22. Professor Scott Seider — Educating for Purpose, Justice, and Democracy
In this episode of Exceptionally Good, I’m joined by Scott Seider, a professor, former public school teacher, and one of the most thoughtful voices I know on what it means to educate young people for a just and democratic society.
Scott is a Professor of Applied Developmental and Educational Psychology at Boston College Lynch School of Education and Human Development, where his research centers on how schools can support young people in developing a sense of purpose, critical consciousness, moral courage, and civic responsibility. Before entering academia, Scott taught high school in Bo...
21. Sheeba Jacob & Anay Shah - Growing from Challenge, Transition and Loss — and Partnered for Love
In this episode of Exceptionally Good: Leaders for a Better World, I’m joined by two remarkable humans—Sheeba Jacob and Anay Shah—for a conversation about purpose, partnership, and the clarity that can emerge through challenge and loss.
Two compelling and humble leaders for good… who just happen to be married to each other!
Sheeba is the Director of Middle School Design at Citizen of the World Charter Schools, a researcher, educator, and musical artist whose work explores how teachers—and all of us—can cul...
20. Honoring Dr. Martin Luther King — I Have Been to the Mountaintop
“Let us rise up tonight with a greater readiness. Let us stand with a greater determination. And let us move on in these powerful days, these days of challenge to make America what it ought to be. We have an opportunity to make America a better nation.”
- Dr. King
This year, I’m doing something a bit different. One in what I hope is a yearly series. Instead of our usual conversation with powerful, human and reflective leaders for social good, I’m sharing a reading from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have Been to th...
19. Brad Barrett - No Margin, No Mission - How the Tenets of Financial Independence Can Enable Your Exceptionally Good in the World
In this episode - Brad Barrett, CPA and co-founder of the ChooseFI Podcast, one of the most influential platforms in the Financial Independence (FI) movement. While Brad’s career began in accounting, it’s his work making FI accessible to everyone that makes him a leader worth learning from.
The FI movement, as Vicki Robin framed it, asks a simple but profound question: your money or your life? At its core, FI isn’t about hoarding wealth... it’s about using intentional financial choices to reclaim your time, create freedom, and build resilience.
Or...
18. Ron Rapatalo - Building Trust Like the Flash, Getting Fired and then RONward to What’s Next!
Ron Rapatalo is a connector, coach, and culture-shifter. A proud New Yorker and the son of Filipino immigrants, Ron brings over two decades of experience in K-12 education, nonprofit leadership, and executive search. He's dedicated his career to cultivating equity and empowering and mission driven organizations. His experiences include leadership roles at Teach for America, New Leaders, Edgility Consulting, Stronger Consulting, and as an advisory board member at Harvard Business Review.
As the host of the RONderings podcast, Ron delves into conversations around leadership, Identity wellness, exploring the superpowers that drive personal and professional transformation beyond his p...
17. Isamu Thung - Systems, Self, and the Struggle to Lead (…all before graduating high school)
What does it look like to reflect deeply on education systems—after you’ve learned across the ocean and back again
…and before you’ve even graduated high school?
In this episode, Ryan sits down with Isamu Thung, a recent graduate of High Tech High and one of the most thoughtful young leaders discussing learning, equity, and systems transformation. Despite just finishing high school, Isamu brings a level of wisdom, humility, and systems-thinking that challenges adults in the field to go deeper.
We explore:
The hard lessons of leadership and the tensio...16. Dr. César Cruz - Drawing on AI: Ancestral Intelligence
In this episode, we hear stories — an ancient form of wisdom — as I get to talk with the incomparable Dr. César Cruz.
A Mexican-born, Compton-raised educator, César has spent over three decades walking alongside young people who the system has marginalized—not to fix them, but to help them remember their worth. He is the co-founder of Homies Empowerment, a grassroots organization in East Oakland that began as a leadership class for gang-impacted youth and has grown into a full ecosystem for good.
In this deeply powerful and provocative conversa...
15. Dr. Arria Coburn - Your Team is Not a Family — It’s a Partnership for Impact
Dr. Arria Coburn - Your Team is Not a Family — It’s a Partnership for Impact
What happens when a new leader inherits a tight-knit “school family”—then faces budget cuts? Or when you’re asked to define your leadership style before you even know how to lead? In this episode, Dr. Arria Coburn opens up about her evolution as an educational leader: from criminal justice major to special education teacher to award-winning principal and now district executive.
Dr. Arria Coburn brings nearly two decades of experience in public education. She led the Springfield...
14. Chris Widmaier - Cultivating Community Through Nature
Chris Widmaier is the Founder & Executive Director of Rochester Ecology Partners (REP), a nonprofit that “serves people in Greater Rochester through nature-based learning and community-building.”
A former award-winning classroom teacher and instructional coach, Chris left a secure career, earned an MBA-equivalent at RIT, and launched REP on January 1, 2022. His work now centres on helping young people—and the adults who guide them—find nature where they live, work and play.
Enjoy the conversation, share it with a leader connected to community through nature and education and learn to thin...
12. Tierionna Pinkston - Leading as YOU is What Everyone Wants
Tierionna Pinkston is a dynamic school leader, educator, and community advocate currently serving as the principal of The Noble Academy in Chicago. Tierionna brings both fierce intellect and deep heart to her work. Known for her commitment to antiracist education and restorative practices, she leads with vision, vulnerability, and a relentless belief in the brilliance of young people. Her leadership is shaped by experience in the classroom, lessons from her own family, and a growing network of Black school leaders committed to healing and liberation in education.
In this episode, we discuss:<...
11. Courtenaye Jackson - From Prosecutor to Purpose: A Journey to Justice
Courtenaye Jackson: - From Prosecutor to Purpose: A Journey to Justice
What does it mean to lead with purpose, principle, and power?
This episode features Courtenaye Jackson—currently General Counsel for the Children’s Aid Society in New York City. With a $300M endowment and a wide portfolio of schools and social services, Courtenaye brings legal expertise and deep conviction to systems in service of children and justice.
But her path wasn’t linear. From growing up in Queens with dreams of being a forest ranger...
10. Bernie Shakeshaft - “Do whatever it takes for as long as it takes.”
Bernie Shakeshaft is the founder of Backtrack Youth Works, a nonprofit based in Armidale, New South Wales, Australia. For nearly 20 years, Bernie and his pack of working dogs have helped young people who’ve been kicked out of everything—school, home, the justice system—find purpose, responsibility, and healing.
In this episode, Bernie shares how his own troubled youth, time as a jackaroo, and lessons from Aboriginal elders shaped the radical, relationship-driven model of Backtrack. From confronting youth tragedies and incarceration to chasing dreams and building trust through dogs, Bernie’s story is one of deep...
13. Miss Zarves
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There is no 19th Story.
There is no Miss Zarves.
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9. You know People - Nominate Leaders for Season 2!
It’s who you know….
And, see, I know you.
And you know people. You know inspiring leaders who would make excellent guests for the Exceptionally Good podcast.
Leaders on a mission for a better world.
They are exceptionally good not because they were born with it or heroic.
But because they are just regular humans like you and me — and they are driven to contribute to good in the world.
You know the world needs their voice.
And you...
7. Gwyn & Andy of XP Trust - Breaking through Absurdity with Innovation and Leadership
Ever had your barn burn down and then see the moon?
What happens when you realize those you put in place to lead are the wrong people?
How should you use critique to make you and your org stronger?
All the way from Doncaster, England, Andy Sprakes and Gwyn Ap Hari detail their journey as co-founders of XP Trust, a group of innovative and successful “free schools” in the UK. We discuss their unique approach to education, their personal leadership styles, the significance of c...
Call for Leaders - Recruit and Nominate for Season 2!
Hey, good people, happy new year!
As we look ahead into 2025, I am recruiting a new batch of exceptionally good leaders to host on the show. In particular, I'm looking for leaders in the realm of healthcare, rescue services, social services and more. We have a solid batch of education leaders in the first season because I started with friends who I knew were brilliant, admirable, and willing to take a chance on some podcast that didn't even exist yet with someone who had never hosted one! Now that we have a full season out, I'm looking to r...
6. Derek Pierce - Decades of Innovative School Leadership
How do you go from a town hall lashing, go up for a vote of no confidence and turn it around?
What’s a leader to do when faced with a moment of crisis?
Have you ever wondered how to know it is the right time to step down?
In this transcript, Derek Pierce, the founding leader of Casco Bay High School, shares his extensive journey in educational leadership. Derek discusses his early influences, experience in the film industry, and the emotional challenges of starting a new s...
5. Shyla Kinhal - Leading for Equity through Literacy
How does your self-talk provide a barometer for your own alignment and integrity in a situation?
How do you build trust in order to give growth-producing feedback?
How do you keep your fire fueled despite the challenges of leading for systemic change?
In this episode, Shyla Kinhal, the Director of Literacy for Evanston Skokie School District, shares her extensive career journey and expertise in literacy and equity in education. From teaching in NYC to her current role, Shyla discusses the impact of her p...
4. Matthew King - Founder of EPIC Academy - Becoming the Sunrise
How does a pink tie turn leadership into a sunrise?
How is change leadership like operating a elevator in a hotel?
How does a school leader on Chicago’s Southside pull a school up from a nosedive to a top 10% school?
What do you do when you realize that the reason your organization is faltering is you? You become the sunrise.
In this episode, we feature Matthew King, co-founder of the national non-profit organization One Goal, which focuses on stud...
3. Gia Truong - Leading through Proximity, Equity and Sharing Power
What do you do when you get the report on the brutal truth and know you can’t solve it alone?
How do you lead by staying close to the problem you are leading to solve?
When do you know it is the right time NOT to seek that next larger, high position, but to focus on joy?
In this episode, Ryan interviews Gia Truong, a leading figure in education and social equity, who shares her journey from being a high school teacher in San Fr...
2. Roel Vivit - Leader at Steans Family Foundation - Leading with by Becoming of
How do you get into that hard conversation by reframing it on what matters most?
What happens when you are invited to an opportunity and you just can’t turn it down?
How do you lead with a community by becoming of the community?
In this episode, Ryan speaks with Roel Vivit, a seasoned educational leader with over two decades of experience in Chicago. Roel shares his inspiring career journey from classroom teacher to founding member of the Polaris Charter Academy and his cu...
1. Kemi Akinsanya-Rose - Executive Leader - Leading with Your Authentic Self: Drop the Mask, Play Soccer in Lagos
Where do you feel it in your body when you are out of integrity with yourself?
When do you find yourself “wearing the mask” and what would happen if you drop it?
Are you growing? Or are you decaying?
Join us in today's episode with Kemi Akinsanya-Rose, the COO of Cambium Learning Group and a pioneer in leadership and education. Kemi shares her extensive leadership journey, spanning high-level roles in operations, strategy, marketing, diversity, and equity. From her beginnings in financial services, to impact...
Coming Soon! Exceptionally Good - Lessons in Leading for a Better World
What do an English software salesman, a child of refugees, a head of a call center, and a Hollywood writer all have in common? They all went on to use their many many talents and skills for exceptional social good.
Coming next week, tune into a new podcast series called Exceptionally Good — where I interview leaders to learn about their origin stories, their guiding principles, and the lessons they learned along way — sometimes the hard way.
If you are a leader on a mission to make the world a better...