Proclaim Peace

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Welcome to the Proclaim Peace podcast! Co-hosts Jennifer Thomas, Co-Executive Director at Mormon Women for Ethical Government, and Patrick Mason, Professor at Utah State University, explore a peaceful reading of the scriptures by talking with guest experts who show us how to create peace in turbulent times. Subscribe to the show on YouTube or your favorite listening app and follow along at https://proclaimpeace.org/ for show notes and more resources.

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The Courage to Disagree Respectfully through the Story of Jonathan and David with Marianne Viray
#12
Yesterday at 10:00 AM

Marianne Viray joins Jen and Patrick to delve into the dynamics of conflict and peacemaking within leadership and society, drawing lessons from the biblical story of Jonathan, David, and Saul. They explore how leadership decisions can influence societal polarization and offer practical tools for engaging with leaders respectfully. The discussion emphasizes the importance of modeling civility and virtue in public discourse and provides strategies for individuals to break cycles of conflict. The conversation highlights the power of personal transformation, empathy, and community action in fostering a respectful and civil society.


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The Art of Reconciliation and Moral Imagination with John Paul Lederach
#11
06/02/2026

Jen and Patrick are joined for a profound conversation with conflict transformation pioneer John Paul Lederach, who shares deep insights on peace, reconciliation, and the power of moral imagination rooted in faith and human connection. They explore the story of Jacob and Esau, why reconciliation is a horizon more than an event, and the four ways to use moral imagination to achieve reconciliation. 


Main Topics:

The biblical story of Jacob and Esau as a model for conflict and reconciliationDefining peace as relational, rooted in dignity, love, and justiceThe concept of moral imagination as a...


Reconciling Old Testament Divine Violence and a Peaceful Christ with Terryl Givens
#10
05/19/2026

Terryl Givens joins Jen and Patrick as they explore how faith traditions, especially within Christianity and Latter-day Saint teachings, approach the difficult questions surrounding violence in the Old Testament. Terryl shares insights on understanding scripture, God's nature, and the path to peace amidst challenging texts.


Main Topics:

How do we define peace and its relation to faith, hope, and love?The challenge of violence in the Old Testament: historical context and theological reinterpretationThe Christian and Jewish responses to Old Testament violence, including allegorical and spiritual readingsThe influence of Marcionism and early heresies on...


Bridging Faith and Family Conflicts Peacefully with Réka Bordás
#9
05/05/2026

Jen is joined by guest co-host Maybree Spilsbury and guest Réka Bordás as we explore the biblical stories of Abraham, Lot, Sarah, and Hagar through the lens of peacemaking, sharing practical insights on conflict resolution, boundary setting, and maintaining relationships amidst differences. Our guests, experienced in conflict transformation and peacemaking, offer valuable advice on fostering connection and peace in family and faith conflicts.


Timestamps: 

02:26 - Recognizing patterns in biblical conflicts and personal faith transitions

05:27 - Abraham’s story of migration and parallels to personal journeys

10:09 - Start...


Joseph's Story from Pride to Compassion: Breaking Generational Cycles with Rabbi Sam Spector
#8
04/21/2026

Patrick and Jen discuss peace and leadership with Rabbi Sam Spector through the story of Joseph. They explore the Hebrew concept of "shalom," meaning complete peace, and its relevance to personal and national contexts. The conversation highlights lessons from intergenerational conflicts in biblical narratives, emphasizing communication and reconciliation. Rabbi Spector shares insights on leadership qualities and the importance of challenging authority respectfully. He also offers practical advice on resolving conflicts through dialogue and understanding, providing listeners with valuable insights into fostering peace in relationships and communities.

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00:00 - Introduction to biblical concepts of peace and the...


Embracing Diversity and Building Peace: Lessons from the Tower of Babel with Daryl Davis
#7
04/07/2026

Jen and Patrick are joined by Daryl Davis to explore the profound lessons of peace, unity, and diversity through the biblical story of the Tower of Babel. They engage in a compelling dialogue about how understanding, communication, and exposure can transform hatred into harmony. This episode reminds us that peace begins with understanding and that even in the most difficult conversations, empathy and exposure can open pathways toward reconciliation. Bridging divides is about listening, storytelling, and the courage to challenge our perceptions.

Topics Covered:

The biblical story of the Tower of Babel as a metaphor for...


The Story of Cain and Abel: Exploring Conflict and Perspective with Jonathan Walker
#6
03/24/2026

Jonathan Walker (Jen’s brother!) joins Jen and Patrick in this episode as we dive into the profound and complex biblical story of Cain and Abel, examining themes of conflict, motives, and reconciliation from multiple perspectives. They emphasize that peace begins with understanding our internal motives, choosing accountability, and aligning with divine principles rather than external resolutions. Whether you see yourself as a Cain or Abel in daily life, this story invites reflection on the path of reconciliation and the power of Christ’s love to heal division.

TOPICS:

Distinguishing destructive versus constructive conflictComparing Genesis and Mose...


Enoch's Lessons on Peacemaking in Zion with Melaney Tagg
#5
03/10/2026

Melaney Tagg joins Jen and Patrick to share her insights on building Zion through peacemaking from her personal experiences with facilitating local community dialogue. She emphasizes the importance of seeing others as divine manifestations of God, the need for divine assistance in peacemaking, and the role of language in conflict resolution. The discussion also covers the Venn Diagram Project, which aims to bring together opposing sides to find common ground, and offers practical advice for everyday peacemakers. Ultimately, the conversation highlights the interconnectedness of humanity and the divine call to love and understand one another.


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Adam and Eve as an Archetype for Understanding Conflict with Mallory Everton
#4
02/24/2026

Jen and Patrick are joined by Mallory Everton to explore the themes of personal peace, the complexity of relationships, and the foundational story of Adam and Eve as a lens for understanding conflict and decision-making. They discuss the importance of vulnerability, self-compassion, and the role of creativity in navigating life's challenges. The conversation emphasizes the need for community and connection in the pursuit of peace and spiritual growth.

Personal peace is defined as a deep state of trust.The Adam and Eve story serves as an archetype for understanding conflict.Conflict often arises not from good versus evil...


Navigating Peace in Relationships with Jennifer Finlayson-Fife
#3
02/10/2026

Jennifer Finlayson-Fife joins Jen and Patrick to discuss the multifaceted nature of peace, particularly in the context of relationships and marriage as they read about Adam and Eve. She emphasizes that peace is not merely the absence of conflict but involves a sense of well-being and mutual respect. The discussion explores the importance of navigating differences, the role of conflict in fostering growth and intimacy, and the significance of agency and responsibility in relationships. Additionally, the conversation touches on societal pressures regarding gender roles and the impact of these dynamics on personal relationships. The dialogue encourages listeners to embrace...


The Role of Division in Creation and Growth with Jared Halverson
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#2
01/27/2026

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace podcast, hosts Patrick Mason and Jennifer Thomas are joined by Jared Halverson to explore the themes of peace and conflict through the lens of scripture. They discuss the significance of division in creation, the life-giving aspects of conflict, and the balance of opposites in relationships. The conversation delves into the creation, fall, and atonement as a divine paradigm, emphasizing the importance of maintaining unity amidst differences.

Peace is not merely the absence of conflict but the presence of unity amidst differences.The Old Testament offers insights into peacemaking, often overlooked in...


The Old Testament: A Source of Peacemaker Lessons
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#1
01/13/2026

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason welcome listeners to Season Two, emphasizing the ongoing need for peacemaking in a world filled with conflict. They discuss the importance of the Old Testament as a source of wisdom for peacemaking, highlighting its lessons on humanity, redemption, and God's unwavering support. The hosts encourage listeners to embrace the Old Testament and its teachings, fostering a community dedicated to peace and understanding.

The discomfort we feel is linked to a loss of peace.Conflict is a natural part of life that requires...


Welcome to Season 2!
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01/13/2026

Welcome to Season 2 of the Proclaim Peace podcast, where hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason will read through the Old Testament through the lens of peacemakers. Join us with special guests to discover what we can learn about how to follow Jesus Christ's example of being a peacemaker from the oldest stories in the Bible.

For full show notes and transcripts, visit https://proclaimpeace.org


Part 3: Paul Lambert on When Conflict Comes to Your Doorstep
10/07/2025

For this 3 part bonus mini series, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason engage in a thoughtful conversation with Paul Lambert from the Wheatley Institute. Together, they explore the complex emotions and tensions that members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints may experience when feeling attacked or judged. The discussion highlights three common responses: retreating inward, trying to correct misunderstandings, and defending one's beliefs. Paul offers insights on how grounding oneself in the teachings of Jesus Christ can lead to unexpected, outward-focused actions that promote peace and understanding. 


[00:00:26] Religious pluralism in society.


Part 2: Aaron Dorfman on When Conflict Comes to Your Doorstep
10/07/2025

For this 3 part bonus mini series, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are joined by Aaron Dorfman of A More Perfect Union to explore the experiences of Latter-day Saints as a minority community, especially in the wake of recent events that highlight the challenges faced by religious minorities. They reflect on the importance of understanding the dynamics of being part of a smaller faith community, particularly outside of Utah, and the varied relationships that can arise from this position. The discussion emphasizes the opportunity to learn from other communities, particularly the Jewish community, which has a long history of...


Part 1: Nealin Parker on When Conflict Comes to Your Doorstep
10/07/2025

For this 3 part bonus mini series, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are joined by Nealin Parker from Common Ground to reflect on recent tragic events affecting the Latter-day Saint community, including the death of President Nelson and a horrific attack on a local ward that resulted in multiple fatalities. As they process these heavy developments, they discuss the emotional toll on church members and the broader implications for peace. The episode serves as a heartfelt exploration of grief, community resilience, and the principles of the gospel that can guide us in difficult times. 


[00:02:19] P...


Peacemaking and Discipleship: A Live Conversation with Chad Ford
09/23/2025

In this special live recording of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hostJennifer Thomas is joined by repeat guest Chad Ford to discuss the impact of recent events on their community and the importance of fostering peace amid fear and conflict. Chad shares insights from his research on conflict mediation, emphasizing how fear can hinder collaboration and peace-building. The conversation highlights the significance of showing up for one another in challenging times and encourages listeners to create supportive spaces as they navigate their own concerns and emotions. Join them for a heartfelt dialogue aimed at uplifting and empowering individuals to become...


Peacemaking in Politics: Finding Your Voice in Uncomfortable Spaces
07/15/2025

In this bonus episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, host Jennifer Thomas explores the challenges of political engagement in the face of slow or no change. Jennifer shares her conversation with Julie Rose on the Uncomfy podcast, emphasizing the importance of perseverance in peacemaking. The discussion highlights how discomfort is often a necessary part of fostering understanding and building relationships that contribute to a beloved community. Listeners are encouraged to embrace uncomfortable conversations and stay engaged, as the long-term rewards of peacemaking far outweigh the short-term discomfort. Join Jennifer as she reflects on these themes and offers practical advice...


The Book of Mormon as a Handbook for Peace: Insights and Miracles
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06/03/2025

In the final episode of Season 1 of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason reflect on their journey through the Book of Mormon and the principles of the gospel that promote peacebuilding. Join them as they celebrate their journey and the pursuit of becoming better peacemakers.


[00:02:45] Podcast origins and purpose.

[00:04:40] Peacemaking through sacred texts.

[00:08:44] Commitment to peace building.

[00:13:03] Mormon peacebuilding potential.

[00:16:10] Peacemakers in times of chaos.

[00:22:22] Turning swords into plowshares.

[00:27:29] Peacemaking as a miracle.

[00:28:32] Peacemaking and miracles.<...


Faith, Hope, and Love: The Core Principles of Effective Peacemaking with Scott Rasmussen
#33
04/29/2025

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are joined by Scott Rasmussen from Interfaith America to reflect on their journey through the Book of Mormon as they approach the series' conclusion. They share their insights on how this process has transformed their understanding of the Book of Mormon, particularly the final book, Moroni, revealing unexpected changes in their perspectives. Join them as they discuss the impact of this journey on their views of peace and how to have hope within the hardest circumstances.


[00:03:46] Moroni as a peacemaker.<...


From the CIA to the Classroom: How Experience Shapes Perspectives on Peace with Jeannie Johnson
#32
04/15/2025

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason explore a broader understanding of peace and peacemaking. They emphasize the importance of expanding the conversation to include diverse perspectives and forms of peace. Joining them is Dr. Jeannie Johnson, a popular professor of political science at Utah State University and director of the Groundbreaking Center for Anticipatory Intelligence. Dr. Johnson shares her insights and expertise, highlighting the significance of preparing students to contribute positively to the world. This episode encourages listeners to rethink their definitions of peace and engage in meaningful discussions about how...


Fraternal Rivalry and the Quest for Peace: Insights from the Jaredite History with Rosalynde Welch
#31
04/01/2025

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are joined by Rosalynde Welch to dive into the Book of Ether, a lesser-known book within the Book of Mormon. They discuss its unique historical context and the challenges it presents, while highlighting its valuable lessons for peacemaking. The conversation centers on the importance of making thoughtful decisions during difficult times, emphasizing how individuals can contribute to a culture of peace amidst societal conflict. Join them as they explore the rich principles found in the Book of Ether that can guide us toward becoming better...


Understanding the Warning Signs: Genocide Prevention Through Gospel Principles with Rachel Miner
#29
03/18/2025

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are joined by Bellweather International founder Rachel Miner to tackle the difficult and sobering topic of genocide. They emphasize the importance of peace builders acknowledging and confronting the realities of evil and suffering in the world. Jennifer highlights that a key trait of peace builders is the ability to mourn and lament for those affected by atrocities. The discussion also connects to the Book of Mormon, which addresses the theme of genocide, particularly in its concluding narratives. Join them as they explore how awareness and...


Rejecting Violence: Mormon's Last Lecture on Peace
#29
03/04/2025

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason continue their exploration of peacemaking principles derived from the gospel and the Book of Mormon. They share thoughts from the last words of the prophet Mormon, emphasizing how the Book of Mormon serves as a vital connection during turbulent times. The conversation highlights the scriptures' candid approach to conflict, illustrating a range of difficulties from familial disputes to larger societal issues. They reflect on the narrative of the Book of Mormon, focusing on the vision of a beloved community and the hope it inspires in...


From Utopia to Reality: Transforming Hearts and Communities with Andrew Bolton
#28
02/18/2025

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason continue their three-part series on Zion by diving into the profound teachings found in 4th Nephi. They discuss the significance of taking a deeper look at the elements that define a Zion community, emphasizing the unique contributions each individual can bring. They are joined by guest Andrew Bolton from the Community of Christ to share the importance of recognizing and appreciating the distinct parts of Zion, encouraging listeners to identify their own gifts and how they can contribute to building a more just and unified...


From Ites to Unity: Creating a Tapestry of Belonging with Ashley Fraser
#27
02/04/2025

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason delve into the principles of building Zion, drawing insights from the small yet impactful book of Fourth Nephi in the Book of Mormon. They reflect on the profound message this scripture holds and the importance of creating a harmonious community among “ites.” The hosts discuss the necessity of building Zion in a way that resonates with their own cultural contexts. Join them as they welcome guest Ashley Fraser for a deeper exploration of these themes and how we can all contribute to building a peaceful and...


One Heart, One Mind: Cultivating a Zion Mindset with Melinda Brown
#26
01/21/2025

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are joined by Melinda Brown to introduce a three-part series focused on the concept of Zion. They emphasize the importance of striving to build Zion as a means to achieve true and lasting peace in a world often filled with conflict and despair. They reflect on the current state of society, acknowledging the challenges and imperfections we face, while also stressing the need for a hopeful vision of a better future. Join them as they explore the principles of the gospel and the teachings of...


The Power of Community in Peacemaking: Lessons from the Sermon on the Mount with David Whippy
#25
01/07/2025

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are joined by BYU-Hawaii professor David Whippy to  reflect on the New Year and their renewed commitment to peacemaking. They discuss the importance of the teachings of Jesus, particularly focusing on the Sermon on the Mount and its counterpart in the Book of Mormon, known as the Sermon at the Temple. They share thoughts on what it truly means to live a Christian life, emphasizing the need for a heartfelt transformation rather than merely adhering to external observances. Join them as they explore t...


Reflections on the Prince of Peace This Christmas
#24
12/17/2024

In the last episode of the year, we reflect on the meaning of peace during the Christmas season. Patrick asks a thought-provoking question about the Christmas story from Luke Chapter 2: Did the heavenly host's proclamation of "peace on earth" truly hold meaning, given that Jesus's birth did not end wars or family conflicts? Tune in to hear excerpts from this year’s podcast guests answering this question and prepare for a season of reflection and hope. We’ll take a short break for the holidays and return in January with new episodes.


[00:02:56] Julie Rose on C...


The Role of Institutions in Promoting Peace with Grant Madsen
#23
12/03/2024

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are joined by professor Grant Madsen to discuss what we learn from the Book of Mormon about how institutions promote peace and foster positive society. Together, they explore how modern politics, growing distrust of institutions, and society’s evolution shape their understanding of peace and the importance of having faith in our best institutions as a path to becoming better peacemakers. Tune in for a thoughtful discussion on the lessons learned from history and a bigger perspective!


[00:01:16] Cultural perspectives on pe...


The Role of Jesus in Healing Our Divided Communities with Chad Ford
#22
11/19/2024

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason welcome back Chad Ford to discuss Christ-led peacemaking in the aftermath of the U.S. presidential election. They reflect on the implications of the election results and how they relate to the principles of the gospel and the teachings of 3rd Nephi in the Book of Mormon. Jen shares insights from her extensive work in politics and the conversations she has been having with others about the election, emphasizing the theme that peace was a significant factor in this electoral cycle. The episode encourages listeners...


Choosing Peaceful Leadership: Lessons from the Book of Mormon for Election Season
#21
10/29/2024

In this special episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason discuss what the Book of Mormon teaches us about choosing peaceful leadership in light of the upcoming presidential election in the United States. Acknowledging the current political climate, they reflect on the fatigue and tension many are feeling due to the election process. This episode aims to provide listeners with insights and considerations to think about as they prepare to cast their ballots, emphasizing the importance of curiosity, love, and courage in these challenging times. Tune in for a thoughtful conversation that encourages better...


Captain Moroni: A New Perspective on War and Peace with Elray Henriksen
#20
10/22/2024

In this milestone 20th episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are joined by peace scholar Elray Henriksen as they dive into the latter portion of the Book of Mormon, often referred to as the "war chapters" of Alma. The episode explores the extensive battle narratives between the Nephites and Lamanites, highlighting memorable characters such as Captain Moroni and Pahoran. The hosts discuss varying perspectives on these chapters, with some listeners eagerly anticipating Captain Moroni's story while others tend to skip ahead to Helaman. Join them as they unpack the lessons and themes of...


Repairing the World: How Faith and Politics Can Coexist
#19
10/08/2024

In this special episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, Jennifer and Patrick share a recording of their recent presentation at the Faith Matters Restore gathering. They discuss the importance of applying principles of the gospel to foster peace in various aspects of life, from playgrounds to politics. The episode highlights the transformative power of active peacemaking and includes practical examples drawn from their experiences and their work. Join Jen and Patrick as they encourage listeners to embrace the call to be peacemakers in today's world. 


[00:01:46] Our mission in the world.

[00:05:07] Power of s...


Weapons of Peace: Lessons from the Anti-Nephi-Lehies with David Pulsipher
#18
09/24/2024

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are re-joined by professor David Pulsipher to explore the principles of peacemaking as taught in the Book of Mormon, with a special focus on two remarkable examples: Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, and the Anti-Nephi-Lehies. They discuss the significance of nonviolent peace builders throughout history, including figures like Martin Luther King Jr. and Gandhi, while emphasizing the unique lessons learned from the Anti-Nephi-Lehies' story. Tune in as they delve into the scriptures to highlight how these narratives can inspire and guide individuals on their...


Navigating Inner Turmoil: How Personal Peace Fuels Global Change with Thomas McConkie
#17
09/10/2024

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are joined by Thomas McConkie to discuss the urgent need for healing and peacemaking within ourselves in light of recent global conflicts. The conversation delves into ways we can use mindfulness, connection to God, and principles of inner peace to cultivate peace within as we try to create it in our outer world. Tune in as they explore the principles of the gospel and the teachings of the Book of Mormon to inspire listeners to become better peacemakers.


[00:02:49] Becoming people...


Lessons from Nehor and Korihor: Combating Misinformation in Modern Society with Julie Rose
#16
08/27/2024

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, Jennifer and Patrick are joined by journalist Julie Rose to discuss Nehor and Korihor from the Book of Mormon, known as antichrists. They explore the themes of misinformation and disinformation that these figures represent, and the relevance of these concepts to our pursuit of peace and Zion. Tune in to gain insights on how to combat falsehoods and promote peace in a world filled with discord.


[00:01:11] Lessons from Nehor and Korihor.

[00:04:23] Undermining trust and truth.

[00:07:39] The essence of peace.

[00:13:25] Misinformation...


The Call for Peacemakers in a Polarized Political Environment with Judge Thomas Griffith
#15
08/13/2024

On this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, hosts Jennifer and Patrick are joined by Judge Thomas Griffith to delve into the topic of politics and its impact on peace. They discuss how political rhetoric, especially during election years, can disrupt our sense of peace. Despite the intense reporting on political polarization, they explore how we can navigate these challenges to promote peace in our lives and communities. Join them as they tackle this important aspect of peacemaking.


[00:02:14] Political polarization and hope.

[00:03:29] Perception Gap and Polarization.

[00:08:56] Politics and government transitions.<...


Embracing the Baptismal Covenant: Insights from Peacemakers
#14
07/30/2024

In this episode of the Proclaim Peace Podcast, Jennifer Thomas and Patrick Mason are joined by multiple guests to explore the baptismal covenant in Mosiah chapter 18 and how it calls individuals to be peacemakers. They discuss the personal and relational aspects of the covenant, emphasizing how each person can contribute to adding peace to the world in their own unique way. Through examining the experiences of Alma and the outcasts he taught, the episode highlights the importance of coming together in afflictions and being willing to bear each other's burdens.


[00:00:36] Baptismal covenant and peacemaking.<...


The Holy Work of Peacemaking: Insights from Sarah Perkins
#13
07/16/2024

In this episode, Jennifer and Patrick are joined by Sarah Perkins to discuss Abinadi from the Book of Mormon, highlighting his role as a bold prophet delivering a message of repentance and calling for change. They draw parallels between Abinadi and other prophets throughout history who speak out against societal injustices. The hosts reflect on the importance of discerning true authority from those who simply criticize without offering solutions. Join them as they explore the timeless lessons from Abinadi's story that are relevant in today's world.


[00:01:34] True prophets preach divine redemption.

[00:06:42] Limits...