Honoring the Journey

In this episode, we welcome Brit Hartley, an atheist spiritual director, to discuss her personal journey of deconstructing from Mormonism and religion at large. Brit shares her upbringing in a loving Mormon community, the cognitive dissonance she experienced as a teenager, and the pivotal moments that led to her faith crisis and eventual atheism. The conversation explores the challenges of losing faith, rebuilding identity and meaning, and the importance of love, authenticity, and human connection beyond religious dogma. Brit and Leslie also discuss the complexities of maintaining relationships with religious family members, the benefits and shortcomings of religion, and...

Today we welcome my longtime friend, Nicki Pappas, for a deeply personal and vulnerable conversation. Nicki shares her story of growing up in the Southern Baptist church, navigating fundamentalist spaces, and ultimately deconstructing her faith. We also explore themes of spiritual abuse, self-love, embodiment, therapy, and the journey toward authenticity. Nicki opens up about her evolving beliefs, coming out as queer, and the importance of living a life rooted in love rather than fear. The episode is rich with reflections on family, community, boundaries, and the courage it takes to embrace one’s true self. Find out more about Ni...

Today we welcome singer-songwriter and spiritual explorer Michael Gungor for a candid conversation about faith, deconstruction, and personal transformation. Michael shares his upbringing in a charismatic church, his early success as a worship leader, and the pivotal questions that led him to critically examine his beliefs. The discussion dives into the challenges of questioning long-held religious doctrines, the process of letting go of certainty, and the journey toward a more expansive, love-centered spirituality. Michael also reflects on mystical experiences, the role of ego, and the importance of embracing doubt and authenticity. The episode concludes with insights into Michael’s la...

In this episode of Honoring the Journey, we chat with Malynda Hale—a singer, actress, podcast host, activist, and the new executive director of The New Evangelicals. The conversation explores Malynda’s upbringing in a progressive Christian household, her experiences navigating conservative evangelical spaces, and her journey toward embracing inclusive, justice-centered faith. Malynda shares insights on deconstruction, the importance of self-love, her role at The New Evangelicals, and the challenges and opportunities in faith-based activism. We also get a peek inside her music career, the differences between gospel and contemporary Christian music, and her ongoing creative projects.

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Today we are sharing a special, timely episode of Honoring the Journey where Leslie invites Ben Cremer back to the show to dive deep into the challenges of navigating grief, polarization, and faith in today’s divided world. Through honest conversation, personal stories, and a powerful parable, they explore what it means to see beyond our own lenses, embrace empathy, and walk the narrow way of love and compassion—even when it’s difficult.

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In this episode, Leslie welcomes back Brian Recker to discuss his new book, "Hell Bent: How the Fear of Hell Holds Christians Back from a Spirituality of Love." Together, they dive into Brian’s journey from a strict evangelical upbringing to a more open, love-focused faith, exploring how fear-based teachings—especially the concept of hell—shape personal beliefs, relationships, and community dynamics. The conversation is honest, empathetic, and often humorous, offering practical tools for deconstructing harmful beliefs and encouraging listeners to embrace a spirituality rooted in love rather than fear. Whether you’re questioning your faith or just curious about ne...

Rachel Dixon joins us today to share her powerful story of self-discovery, faith, and authenticity. Growing up in a deeply religious environment, Rachel navigated the complexities of identity, conformity, and spirituality, ultimately embracing her true self and advocating for wholeness as a birthright. Imagine being accused by people in the church of being a homosexual because of how you look, being rejected because of it and not even realizing that was your truth until much later, after many years of agonizing introspection! The church knew she was gay before she even did. How is that, if being gay is...

Today we welcome Reverend Joseph Yoo for an open conversation about faith, deconstruction, and creating inclusive spiritual communities. Joseph shares his personal journey as a pastor’s kid in a multi-generational ministry family, his experiences with conservative and evangelical traditions, and his evolution toward a more inclusive, affirming approach to faith. Together, we discuss the challenges and rewards of questioning long-held beliefs, the loneliness and courage involved in deconstructing faith, and the importance of building spaces where everyone—especially those on the margins—can belong and be loved.

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Today we honor the journey of David Hayward, known as the "Naked Pastor", who shares his profound journey of deconstructing faith. David discusses his background as a pastor, the origins of his Naked Pastor persona, his educational and theological journey, and the critical moments that led to his deconstruction. Together, we explore themes of authenticity, questioning beliefs, losing and finding community, and the evolving understanding of faith. This candid and thought-provoking conversation delves into personal transformation and the very human quest for spiritual freedom and truth.

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In this episode of "Honoring the Journey," Leslie welcomes author and theologian Keith Giles to discuss rapture theology and its impact on those raised in fear-based religious traditions. Building on feedback from a previous episode, they explore the origins of rapture theology, its scriptural interpretations, and the psychological effects it has had on believers. Keith offers a historical and theological critique, challenging common interpretations and encouraging listeners to consider alternative perspectives rooted in scripture, history, and a more inclusive understanding of faith. The conversation aims to diffuse fear, promote critical thinking, and highlight the importance of love, grace, and...

In this Special Episode of Honoring the Journey, Leslie invites her sister (and bestie) Marie to join her and they discuss growing up in fundamentalism, rapture trauma, deconstruction and how they now see God today. This is a special episode because Marie is probably the only person Leslie had to talk to during her deconstruction journey before going public. They have been through a lot together, and have remained close through it all!

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Today we honor the journey of Mary B. Safrit, a writer, podcaster, and content creator, to explore her story of growing up in the Bible Belt, navigating faith, queerness, and deconstruction. Mary B. shares candid reflections on her upbringing, spiritual journey, and the challenges and growth that come with embracing her identity and leaving behind people-pleasing tendencies. Together, MaryB & Leslie discuss the complexities of church culture, relationships, and finding authentic community.

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* John Fugelsang’s background: son of former nun and Franciscan brother, raised in a progressive Catholic household.

* Discussion of his new book, "Separation of Church and Hate," which critiques the weaponization of Christianity by right-wing fundamentalists.

* Exploration of how fundamentalism distorts the teachings of Jesus and promotes exclusion, fear, and political power.

* Personal stories of questioning and deconstructing faith, both from John and Leslie.

* The difference between following Jesus’ teachings and adhering to organized religion or literal inte...

Today we engage in a profound conversation with guest Amanda Darrow, who shares her experiences growing up in Utah as a queer, Jewish/Catholic woman in a predominantly LDS community. We also discuss the emotional challenges, societal pressures, and the journey of self-acceptance Amanda faced, including her struggles with internalized homophobia and coming out. Together, we explore themes of inclusivity, the impact of religious beliefs on LGBTQIA+ individuals, and the importance of creating safe spaces. Amanda also highlights her work with Included United, an organization aiming to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion through education. This heartfelt dialogue underscores the...

Today we engage in a profound conversation with guest Amanda Darrow, who shares her experiences growing up in Utah as a queer, Jewish/Catholic woman in a predominantly LDS community. We also discuss the emotional challenges, societal pressures, and the journey of self-acceptance Amanda faced, including her struggles with internalized homophobia and coming out. Together, we explore themes of inclusivity, the impact of religious beliefs on LGBTQIA+ individuals, and the importance of creating safe spaces. Amanda also highlights her work with Included United, an organization aiming to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion through education. This heartfelt dialogue underscores the...

Today we honor the journey of Brian Recker, an influential figure in the Deconstruction community. Leslie and Brian dive into a heartfelt and candid discussion about Brian's journey away from fundamentalism and evangelicalism, sharing personal and relatable stories and reflections on faith, spiritual growth, and empathy. They explore the challenges and revelations that come with deconstruction, the importance of authentic connections, and the liberating shift from certainty to curiosity. With a focus on mutual understanding and human unity, this episode offers introspective insights into evolving faith journeys.

Learn more about Brian at his website! www.brianrecker.com 

Today we have a powerful and heartfelt conversation with guest Sharon “Rocky” Roggio, a filmmaker known for her impactful work on the documentary "1946: The Mistranslation That Shifted Culture." We delve into Sharon's journey of navigating her identity as a lesbian within an evangelical Christian upbringing, her inspiration behind creating the documentary, and the challenges and triumphs she faced along the way. Sharon shares personal stories about her relationship with her non-affirming father, the love and support from chosen family, and the ongoing mission to bring awareness and inclusivity to LGBTQIA+ communities within religious contexts. The episode underscores the importance of o...

Today we get to chat again with author Keith Giles! We talk about his latest book, "The Quantum Gospel of Mary." Keith delves deep into the intriguing intersection of spirituality and quantum physics, explaining complex concepts in an easy to understand way. We also discuss the misunderstood figure of Mary Magdalene, her significant, often overlooked role within early Christianity, and how her portrayal was historically altered. The conversation illuminates how embracing an interconnected, mystical spirituality can offer profound insights and transform one's worldview. This rich discussion challenges traditional religious perspectives, encouraging listeners to explore and expand their spiritual understanding...

Today we welcome back Keith Giles, who previously shared his powerful faith and deconstruction journey in episode five. Keith recently wrote a book with his friend and co-owner of Quoir Publishing, Matthew Distefano, called “Reading Romans Right.” Leslie asks Keith, “Why would you write a book by that name? Are people actually reading Romans wrong?” Apparently, the answer is yes. Keith shares their groundbreaking work in theology that challenges traditional interpretations of the book of Romans. Leslie and Keith delve into the importance of questioning and re-examining long-held beliefs, offering fresh perspectives on spirituality and biblical texts. This insightful discussi...

In this episode we welcome the acclaimed singer-songwriter Derek Webb. The conversation delves into Derek's musical beginnings, his experiences as a member of Caedmon's Call, and his transition to a solo career marked by songs that challenge the status quo of Christian music. Derek shares personal stories about his relationship with faith, highlighting his journey of deconstruction and advocating for the LGBTQ+ community. The episode concludes with an inspirational discussion on Derek's latest tour and album "Survival Songs," emphasizing themes of bravery, affirmation, and unconditional love, particularly for marginalized groups. The episode evokes a sense of understanding and compassion...

In this episode, we honor the journey of Kevin Sweeney, who has a fascinating and unconventional spiritual journey. Once a pastor and now a hospice chaplain and author, Kevin shared his profound experiences, including a life-changing moment while taking mushrooms at the age of 18 that led him to what he believes was a direct encounter with God. We delved into his background, his transition from indifference towards religion to becoming deeply rooted in spirituality, and how his unique experiences informed his approach to faith and pastoring. Kevin also discussed his new book, "The Cosmic Christ and the Concrete Jesus,"...

This episode underscores the transformative power of pain and adversity. Lauren Cibene, author of Tiger in a Lifeboat, openly and vulnerably shares her life journey and how a seemingly insurmountable crisis and emotional turmoil can eventually lead to profound personal growth and self-realization. Through her experience of deep pain, questioning, and despair, Lauren experienced a metamorphosis, emerging as the person she was always destined to become. Her story is a testament to the idea that from great struggle and suffering, a new and stronger self can bloom when we allow it. Her insights are beautiful and profound and I...

Join us as we honor the journey of Joe Boyd, a former pastor turned actor, movie producer, and deconstruction advocate, who shares his remarkable journey from traditional ministry to questioning foundational beliefs. Joe recounts how his discovery of deconstruction led him to leave the pulpit and explore his passion for performance and storytelling, eventually establishing a career in the creative industry. He candidly discusses the emotional and intellectual challenges of deconstructing faith, the stigma associated with it, and the new ways he found to honor his spirituality while helping others navigate similar journeys. Get ready for a deeply personal...

In today’s episode, Leslie welcomes back Jim Palmer, a former evangelical mega church pastor turned advocate for religious deconstruction and non-religious spirituality. They delve into Jim's transformative journey from his early religious experiences to his crisis of faith and subsequent shift towards helping others navigate religious trauma and existential health. Jim shares insights from his recent sabbatical on a secluded island in British Columbia, discussing the importance of community, critical thinking, and self-trust in the deconstruction process. The conversation touches on the evolution of religious beliefs, the impact of societal structures on personal well-being, and the broader implications of...

In this episode of "Honoring The Journey,"we welcome guest Jay Aedo, an author of children's books and a teacher of practical philosophy. The conversation delves into Jay’s unique and thought-provoking perspectives on storytelling, particularly how he reinterprets conventional Bible stories to teach children about personal responsibility. Jay discusses the impact of his religious upbringing as a Jehovah's Witness and his journey towards questioning and understanding faith, ultimately leading him to create stories that offer new ways of thinking. The episode touches on themes of love, authenticity, making courageous choices, and the importance of self-discovery, all illustrated through Ja...

Today, we honor the journey of Plumb, the recording artist who Leslie used to play on the air when she was in Christian Radio. The conversation unveils Plumb’s transformative journey from her evangelical roots to becoming a fierce advocate for authenticity, kindness, and marginalized communities. Plumb shares her struggles with conformity, her evolution in beliefs about love and religion, and the impact of her divorce on her career and personal growth. The episode is a rich tapestry of vulnerability, resilience, and unwavering commitment to living truthfully and loving unconditionally, ultimately inspiring listeners to embrace their paths with courage an...

Gary Mai, an inspiring podcaster and member of the LGBTQIA community, is our guest today on Honoring the Journey. Gary shares his compelling life story, marked by early childhood trauma, struggles with identity, and a long, arduous journey towards self-acceptance. The discussion delves into Gary's experiences growing up in a conservative religious environment, grappling with his sexuality, and ultimately finding solace and purpose through faith and the creation of his podcast. Leslie and Gary explore the deep impact of deconstructing religious beliefs, the transformative power of storytelling, and the importance of finding a supportive community. This conversation is a...

Today on Honoring the Journey, we have a deep conversation with Mike Maeshiro, a former ministry leader at Bethel and founder of the NUMA Foundation. We discussed his extraordinary journey of leaving evangelicalism, coming to terms with his sexuality, and navigating the complexities of his faith and identity within a conservative Christian framework. Mike shared deeply personal stories about his traumatic experiences with conversion therapy, the struggle of living a double life, and the eventual liberation he found in embracing his true self. Our dialogue touched on the importance of authenticity, the misinterpretation of biblical texts surrounding homosexuality, and...

Today, we welcome back Logan Barone to delve into the controversial topic of astrology, especially in the context of an evangelical upbringing. We discuss the historical and biblical underpinnings of astrology, contrasting them with the misconceptions held within certain religious communities. The conversation shifts to the significance of the Age of Aquarius, exploring its impact on spiritual awakening, individual divinity, and the shift away from institutionalized religion towards a more personal spiritual experience. To apply these insights, listeners are encouraged to explore astrology with an open mind, consider meditation practices to connect with their intuition, and recognize the cyclical...

In this episode, we meet Logan Barone, a spiritual life coach, bestselling author, and former evangelical minister who underwent a transformative spiritual journey. The discussion delves into Logan's personal experiences, which catalyzed his deconstruction from rigid religious beliefs toward a spiritual awakening that emphasizes living in the present moment and embracing inner divinity. Key application points include the importance of trusting one's intuitive heart, the necessity of personal transformation as a catalyst for collective change, and the value of meditation in discovering one's true self. Logan shares insights on overcoming fear-based indoctrination, deconstructing harmful beliefs, and the transformative power...

In this bonus episode, we honor the journey of Charlotte Dalwood—a speaker and writer whose journey is both deeply personal and incredibly moving. Charlotte opens up about what it was like growing up as a trans woman in a conservative evangelical home, navigating mental health struggles, gender dysphoria, and the path to embracing her true self. This conversation is raw, honest, and full of heart. We talk about the courage it takes to live authentically, the importance of creating safe, supportive spaces, and how simply listening—without judgment—can be a life-changing act. Charlotte’s vulnerability reminds us of the h...

In this episode of "Honoring the Journey," Leslie welcomes Mary Terhune to discuss her profound experiences of spiritual awakening and transformation, as detailed in her book "Out of the Blue." Mary shares her journey from traditional religious upbringing to experiencing divine revelations that redefined her understanding of consciousness and healing. Listeners will gain insights into the importance of connecting with nature, the concept of consciousness-based medicine, and the transformative power of love. This episode encourages listeners to explore their inner spirituality, question conventional beliefs, and embrace holistic healing practices for personal growth and well-being.

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Today we honor the journey of Zach Lambert, the lead pastor and founder of Restore Church in Austin, Texas. Leslie & Zach chat about his background, exploring his spiritual journey from a disenchanted youth in a conservative Southern Baptist environment to becoming a progressive church leader focused on justice, inclusivity, and a holistic interpretation of the gospel. They also discuss the challenges of deconstructing and reconstructing faith, the balance of maintaining relationships with family, and the intricacies of setting healthy boundaries. Leslie and Zach reflect on the broader implications of their faith journeys and how they contribute to a more...

Today on Honoring the Journey, Leslie interviews Peter Fenton, delving into his journey from their serendipitous meeting through his evolving identity and professional pursuits. Peter, a playwright, director and screenwriter shares his unique perspective shaped by a complex upbringing in a conservative evangelical environment. The conversation weaves through Peter's childhood loves, like Mario Party and Survivor, his transformative college years, and his eventual discovery and acceptance of his sexual orientation. It also touches upon broader themes of spirituality, rejection, and personal growth. Peter’s mission to make people laugh and think stands out as a central motif throughout their he...

Today on "Honoring the Journey," we welcome Amanda Carroll, a fellow-former-Christian Radio gal who Leslie met online and realized quickly that she wanted to know more about her faith and life journey! Amanda is the founder of the Single Mom Collective, a podcast and online community dedicated to empowering single mothers. Amanda shares her inspiring story, detailing her extensive career in radio, her struggles and triumphs as a single mother, and her journey through faith deconstruction. Together, Leslie and Amanda delve into the challenges and rewards of navigating life after leaving Christian radio, the importance of authentic spirituality, and...

In this episode of "Honoring the Journey," we honor the journey of Paul Young, the renowned author of "The Shack." Leslie expresses her excitement about finally having Paul on the show, sharing a personal anecdote about how his book profoundly impacted her spiritual journey after a challenging experience on Survivor China. They discuss the controversy surrounding "The Shack" in evangelical circles, delve into Paul's tumultuous past, including his struggles with sexual abuse, addiction, and a life-changing experience, while exploring the transformative journey of healing both he and his wife underwent. Together, they touch on themes of God's love, trust...

Today on Honoring the Journey, you’ll meet Daniel Bannoura, a Palestinian theologian, scholar, podcaster, and entrepreneur, who shares his captivating personal journey. From his lucid childhood memories in Bethlehem and Indiana to his poignant accounts of the Gulf War, Daniel discusses his multifaceted career and profound insights on faith, politics, and activism. The conversation delves into his experiences as a pastor's kid, his passion for academic excellence, and his work with the Palestinian Federation for Ultimate Frisbee. Daniel passionately critiques American evangelical support for the Israeli occupation, emphasizes practical love, and offers a detailed recount of the harsh re...

In this episode of "Honoring the Journey," Leslie welcomes her friend Shannon Hunt. They delve into Shannon's unique perspective on life, highlighting how their friendship, despite Shannon being an atheist and Leslie having a religious background, has been enriching and transformative. The conversation explores Shannon's journey from her challenging upbringing in the LDS faith to her eventual departure from religion, citing a pivotal moment in her young adulthood as the catalyst for her newfound independence and success.

Shannon also shares details about her career transition from the pharmaceutical industry to becoming a full-time author and social media...

In this episode, Leslie has a dynamic conversation with guest Justin Scoggins, an author and day center director. Justin shares insights about his new book "Inking Christ," which explores the theological perspectives on tattoos. They also delve into his personal story of overcoming addiction, experiencing a transformative encounter with Jesus, and finding his place in pastoral ministry. The discussion covers their favorite TV shows, the symbolism behind their tattoos, and the importance of embracing diversity and mutual respect in faith and life. Trigger warning: there is talk of thoughts of suicide in this episode. Please be aware.

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Today, we welcome Liz Charlotte Grant, an award-winning nonfiction writer from Colorado, where we dive into Liz's background and her dedication to empathy, which she often explores in her newsletter, "The Empathy List." We chat about Liz's experiences growing up, her faith journey, and her role as a birth doula, providing an insightful look into how she navigated her life and spiritual beliefs. The conversation also touches upon Liz's new book, "Knock at the Sky: Seeking God in Genesis After Losing Faith in the Bible," exploring themes of deconstruction, therapy, and the different lenses through which we interpret religious...