Out Late With David

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By: David Cotton

I'm a life coach who came out later in life as gay. Join me as I talk with others who’ve made this LGBTQ+ coming out journey later in their lives to become who they really are.Reach out to me for a complimentary coaching consultation if you have challenges in your life you'd like to explore.https://calendly.com/davidcotton/complimentary-coaching-consultation-zoom-phone David Cottonhttps://www.DavidCottonCoaching.comhttps://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Charlie Vollmar - From Outed to Reborn: Chef Charlie’s New Chapter
#29
Today at 6:44 AM

Summary

In this powerful follow-up conversation, David talks with Chef Charlie Vollmar on his return to Out Late With David to share how his life has transformed since his first interview 18 months ago. Speaking from Palm Springs, Charlie updates listeners on his reinvention in San Miguel de Allende—rebuilding his life after being outed, creating a new chosen family, relaunching his culinary school, and deepening his work in cultural exchange and philanthropy. With his signature radical vulnerability, he reflects on personal growth, identity, male connection, creativity, and purpose, all while offering honest guidance for others navigating la...


Kevin O'Connor - out at 55 after two marriages
#28
10/01/2025

Summary  

Kevin O'Connor shares his profound journey of self-discovery, coming out at 55 after two marriages and raising children. He reflects on his childhood experiences, the struggles of acceptance, and the complexities of navigating relationships. Through candid discussions, he reveals the challenges of living authentically and the joy of finding love with his husband after years of hiding his true self. Kevin emphasizes the importance of embracing one's identity and the lessons learned throughout his life.  

Keywords  

coming out, LGBTQ, self-acceptance, relationships, marriage, personal journey, authenticity, love, family, memoir  

Ta...


Bill Schroeder - Living Authentically at 60
#27
08/04/2025

Summary  

In this episode of Out Late with David, Bill Schroeder shares his transformative journey of coming out as a gay man at the age of 60 after 37 years of marriage. He reflects on the feelings of fear and authenticity that led him to finally embrace his true self. Bill discusses the emotional challenges he faced, the reactions of his family, and the importance of self-discovery. He emphasizes that it's never too late to live authentically and offers advice for others who may be struggling with their identity.   Keywords   coming out, LGBTQ, authenticity, self-discovery, family dynamics, life coa...


Kami Hunley-Jackson - Faith, Family & Findings: The Complex Journey of Coming Out
#26
07/05/2025

Summary  

In this conversation with David, LGBTQ+ ally and researcher Kami Hunley-Jackson, who shares her personal journey and research on the coming out process, particularly focusing on the experiences of LGBTQ+ individuals and their families. The former Latter Day Saint is the mother of two LGBTQ+ children and sister to her gay brother. She discusses the challenges faced by families, the impact of religion, and the importance of communication and support systems. Kami emphasizes the need for understanding and acceptance, both for those coming out and their loved ones, and highlights the mental health implications of t...


Wendy Cole - "Gender is Between the Ears, and Not the Legs"
#25
06/15/2025

Summary  

At age 67, Wendy Cole transitioned from male to female after a lifetime of hiding her true identity. In this candid conversation, Wendy shares the emotional cost of repression, her turning point in 2014, and how she found joy, health, and purpose by finally embracing who she is. Now a mentor and advocate, Wendy is helping others navigate their own gender journeys and working to humanize what it means to be transgender.  

Keywords  

transgender, coming out, identity, support, mental health, community, authenticity, transition, LGBTQ+, personal growth  

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BONUS - Navigating the Journey of Coming Out with hosts of the Out Loud podcast, Jon and Brian
#24
06/07/2025

Thank you to Jon & Brian of Out Loud for allowing me to publish this episode from their podcast. You guys are fantastic! I've been a fan since I first discovered you on YouTube! Keep living your life, OUT LOUD!!

Out Loud Podcast with Jon and Brian:
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/out-loud/id1560962922https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHLEcaJ0RewmS9XyfVa-fww
Summary  

In this episode of Out Late With David, David Cotton is a guest on the podcast, Out Loud, while visiting Key West FL. Along with the hosts o...


Wayne Scott - Redefining Marriage: A Journey Through Non-Monogamy
#23
03/30/2025

Summary  

In this conversation, Wayne Scott shares his journey through a mixed orientation marriage, detailing the challenges and transformations he and his wife faced. They navigated the complexities of identity, love, and commitment, ultimately redefining their relationship through non-monogamy. Wayne emphasizes the importance of communication, patience, and the willingness to adapt as individuals grow over time. His story serves as a testament to the possibility of creating a fulfilling partnership that honors both personal and shared desires.  

Keywords  

mixed orientation marriage, non-monogamy, relationships, LGBTQ+, marriage advice, communication, love story, personal gro...


Stefan Schneider - building the modern family
#22
03/06/2025

In this episode of Out Late with David, Stefan Schneider shares his journey of coming out as gay, navigating relationships, and building a modern family. He reflects on the challenges of coming out in the early 90s, the impact of his sexuality on his marriage, and the emotional turmoil of divorce. Through self-discovery and therapy, Stefan learns to embrace his identity and finds happiness in his new life with his husband and blended family. The conversation highlights the importance of authenticity, communication, and the complexities of family dynamics in the LGBTQ+ community.   

Takeaways  
Coming out is...


Mark Dembo - the weight of truth…a journey of self-discovery
#21
01/20/2025

Summary  

Mark Dembo shares his journey of coming out at the age of 59, reflecting on the challenges and transformations he faced in his relationships, particularly with his wife and children. He discusses the emotional weight of living a life that felt inauthentic and the liberation he felt upon embracing his true self. Mark emphasizes the importance of support from family and community, and the complexities of navigating a mixed-orientation marriage. His story highlights the potential for love and acceptance even in the face of significant life changes. Mark emphasizes the significance of love and understanding in n...


John Duerler - navigating complexities of coming out while creating community for gay fathers
#20
11/12/2024

Summary  

In this interview David Cotton speaks with John Duerler who shares his journey of self-discovery as a gay man, navigating the complexities of coming out to his family and the challenges of maintaining relationships. He discusses the importance of being true to oneself, the supportive reactions from his family, and the creation of a community for gay fathers. John emphasizes the significance of open communication and offers advice for others in similar situations, highlighting that they are not alone in their struggles.   Keywords   coming out, LGBTQ, family dynamics, self-discovery, relationships, gay fathers, acceptance, mental health, per...


David Nygaard - divorce, heart attack, bankruptcy…a journey of resilience
#19
10/10/2024

In this conversation, David Cotton speaks with David Nygaard about his journey of coming out as gay later in life. They discuss the challenges of recognizing one's identity in a society that often stigmatizes homosexuality, the complexities of navigating relationships and marriage, and the impact of a significant health crisis on Nygaard's life. Nygaard shares his experiences of embracing authenticity, his political aspirations, and the importance of open communication in relationships. The conversation concludes with advice for those in mixed orientation marriages, emphasizing the need for self-acceptance and seeking professional guidance.  David also offers advice for others who may be s...


Brian Janes - came out after 26 years of marriage, now finding his place in his new community
#18
08/28/2024

Summary  

Brian Janes, a successful real estate broker, came out as gay at age 49 after 26 years of marriage. He loved being married and had a strong connection with his wife, but deep down, he had a sexual desire that didn't match up with her. After years of therapy and self-help, his wife eventually told him she wanted a divorce. Brian knew he was gay from a young age but didn't know how to embrace it. He suppressed his true self and lived in fear of being found out. After his divorce, he made the decision to c...


Ron Bunnell - 39 years into his marriage before he came out to his wife; now living a full life
#17
07/20/2024

Summary  

Ron Bunnell shares his journey of coming out as gay later in life and the impact it had on his marriage. Despite initial fears, Ron's wife, Barb, showed love and support, and they were able to rebuild their relationship. Ron emphasizes the importance of being authentic and true to oneself, even if it means facing challenges. He also highlights the significance of finding support from others in similar situations. Ron's story serves as an inspiration for those navigating mixed orientation marriages and coming out later in life.  

Keywords coming out, late in life, ma...


Brian Beaudette - after being married for 20 years he struggled with the impact on his family
#16
06/05/2024

Summary

David's guest, Brian, first came out to his wife over 20 years ago but chose to stay married for the sake of his family.   It took ten years for him to decide it was time to live a different kind of life. Today, at age 59 he can finally say he’s “found his tribe.” 

Takeaways
The struggle of coming out after being married for 20 yearsThe impact of coming out on family, work, and communityFinding a supportive LGBTQ+ community and a sense of belongingThe relief of embracing authenticity and self-discoveryChapters
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Kristin Kalbli - The Impact of Coming Out on Straight Spouses
#15
05/05/2024

Summary

In this episode, David Cotton interviews Kristin Kalbli, the host of Our Voices podcast and an LGBT ally. Kristin shares her experience as a straight spouse and her mission to help others in similar situations. They discuss the signs that Kristin missed in her marriage, the impact of her husband's coming out on their relationship, and the importance of honesty and communication in the coming out process. Kristin asks David about his own coming out to his spouse. They also talk about the creation of a guide for coming out to straight partners and spouses...


Charles Vollmar - successful chef…married with 2 kids; wife discovers he's gay and outed him to everyone
#14
04/12/2024

Summary  

Charles Vollmer, a successful California chef, shares his journey of coming out later in life and the challenges he faced. After being outed by his wife, he left his possessions behind and started a new life in San Miguel, Mexico. He is rebuilding his career as a culinary teacher and started sharing his story on social media. Charles discusses the unique challenges faced by men who come out later in life, the impact on their families, and the need for support and understanding. He emphasizes the importance of being true to oneself and f...


Dan Bolen - at age 70 came out as gay, kicked out of his church and ended his 2nd marriage
#13
03/08/2024

Dan Bolen - at age 70 he came out as gay, was kicked out of his church and ended his second marriage

Summary

Dan Bolen shares his journey of self-discovery and acceptance as a gay man after living a life of denial and fear. He discusses the challenges he faced in a restrictive religious community and the fear of losing his family and friends. Dan's story highlights the importance of being honest with oneself and embracing authenticity. He emphasizes the power of finding a supportive community and having a voice. Dan's memoir and podcast serve...


Larry Best - retired trial lawyer, came out 20 years into his marriage; now living a full life with partner and husband of 20 years
#12
02/16/2024

Summary

In this episode David interviews Larry Best, a retired trial lawyer who came out 20 years into his marriage, now living a full life with his partner and husband of 20 years. Their conversation explores the coming out journey of Larry, who shares his unique story of coming out to his business partner and wife. Larry's decision to come out was driven by a combination of personal factors, including the need to be true to himself and the impact it was having on his mental health. The reactions from his business partner and wife varied, with his...


Rick Clemons - author, life coach, and host of LIFE (UN)CLOSETED & 40 PLUS…GAY MEN, GAY TALK
#11
02/01/2024

Summary

In this episode David interviews Rick Clemons, well-known as the host of the popular podcast “Life (UN)Closeted” as well as “40 Plus: Gay Men, Gay Talk.” He is a sought-after public speaker and a successful life coach. He is also the author of the book “Frankly My Dear I’m Gay: the late bloomers guide to coming out." Rick shares his journey of coming out and helping men come out of the closet. He discusses the challenges of living a dual life and the fear of disappointing loved ones. Rick emphasizes the importance of authenticity and unapolog...


Shaun Williams - founder of Gay Fathers Worldwide and Bent Couch Counselling
#10
01/04/2024

Shaun Williams - founder of Gay Fathers Worldwide and Bent Couch Counselling

Summary
In this episode, David Cotton interviews licensed counselor Shaun Williams; he previously had successful career in construction when he came out as gay after 25 years of marriage. After coming out he changed his career to help others finding their true selves. Shaun shares his experiences growing up in the 80s, discovering his sexuality at a young age, and the weight of keeping his secret. He discusses the impact on his family and the challenges he faced in coming out. Shaun also talks...


William Brown - a counselor and author of 'Coming True' came out late & now helping others
#9
12/04/2023

William Brown is an author, a licensed professional counselor, and a man who knows firsthand what it’s like to come out later in life. At age forty he told his wife of 18 years, and his children… that he is gay. What he’s learned since—helped him create the definitive “how to” book for coming out later in life.

Book Recommendation: Coming True: Seeking Truth in Self, Later In Life, by today's guest, William Brown. https://a.co/d/6cEM5Jj

Video version of this episode: https://youtu.be/5y_GJsqzcXg

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Sara Abrams - came out as a trans woman at age 57…now living the life she always wanted
#8
11/14/2023

This epidsode released in honor of National Transgender Awareness Week 2023.

Sara Abrams spent most of her life identifying as a man. While she never considered herself a member of the LGBTQ+ community, at age 57, she came out and transitioned from male to female, while remaining in a relationship with her female partner of 28 years.

Book Recommendation: Trans Bodies, Trans Selves: A Resource by and for Transgender Communities https://a.co/d/98A3Ocy

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https...


Dr. Loren Olson - a successful psychiatrist, husband & father, came out at 40 after 18 years of marriage
#7
10/19/2023

Dr. Loren Olson is a successful psychiatrist, and a husband and grandfather who came out at age 40 after 18 years of marriage.

He is highly respected in his field, having presented extensive research on mature gay men to the World Congress in Psychiatry.

An award-winning author… he’s most well-known for his book, “Finally Out: Letting Go of Living Straight.”

Book Recommendation: Finally Out: Letting Go of Living Straight by Dr. Loren Olson https://a.co/d/hDUZ4FO

Other Writings By Dr. Olson:
No More Neckties: A Memoir i...


Marc Gravallese - came out at 40 with 4 kids and successfully redesigned his family
#6
10/01/2023

Marc Gravallese spent much of his life convincing himself that he couldn’t be gay, despite all evidence to the contrary. Married with four kids, he came out to his wife at age 40… and together they successfully redesigned their family. Today he believes that what most men really need… is a good hug.

Book Recommendation: Our Family Outing: A Memoir of Coming Out and Coming Through - https://a.co/d/09DOavT

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com
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Rand Bishop - Grammy nominated artist identifies as bisexual after 3 marriages to women
#5
09/19/2023

Rand Bishop is a Grammy nominated songwriter, a musician, a singer, an author and a columnist. He’s neither straight, nor gay. At age 73, after three traditional marriages, he now identifies as bisexual. From his home in Oregon, Rand Bishop is here to share the joys, and challenges of being…bi.

Book Recommendation: Fashionably Late: Gay, Bi, and Trans Men Who Came Out Later in Life - Fashionably Late: Gay, Bi, and Trans Men Who Came Out Later in Life

Rand Bishop’s One Man Show: "Songs, Observations, and Confessions" - https://tinyurl.com/m9vmbt...


Rich Rumsey - overcame conservative upbringing & proximity to gay hate crime before coming out 20 years later
#4
08/29/2023

Rich Rumsey attended the University of Wyoming at the same time as Matthew Shepard, the gay student who was beaten and tragically left for dead near Laramie in 1998. It was a hate crime that shook him to his core. 20 years later…he would come to understand why, when he finally came out as gay to his own wife and children.

Book Recommendation: David Christel’s book, “Married Men Coming Out: The Ultimate Guide to Becoming the Man You Were Born to Be.”

Matthew Shepard: https://www.matthewshepard.org

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Dr. Ginger Campbell - host of podcast Graying Rainbows shares her story and insights from her guests
#3
08/02/2023

Dr. Ginger Campbell, host of podcast Graying Rainbows about coming out later in life LGBT, shares her personal story and insights from her guests. She was married for 38 years and came out at age 60. She also has hosted two other podcasts and is in the Podcaster Hall of Fame.

Book Recommendation: Frankly My Dear I'm Gay: A Late Bloomers Guide To Coming Out - https://a.co/d/eTryXNj

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com


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Ryan Redmond - coming out at 49 after two marriages, four children, and two divorces
#2
08/02/2023

Ryan Redmond, successful business consultant and business owner, was married, not just once, but twice! After four children, and two divorces, he finally came out at age 49. He is now living with his partner in Salt Lake City.

Book Recommendation: David Christel’s book, Married Men Coming Out: The Ultimate Guide to Becoming the Man You Were Born to Be - https://a.co/d/6F6jabV

Podcast website: https://www.OutLateWithDavid.com

Certified Professional Life Coach, David Cotton: https://www.DavidCottonCoaching.com

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Jonathan Wilson - comes out on live TV, a respected attorney and school board member
#1
08/02/2023

Jonathan Wilson has seen the best of people and the worst. A long serving member of the Des Moines, Iowa, School Board and successful attorney, married with kids, he came out publicaly on live TV at age 50. When e tried to run for reelection he received death threats and feared for his life. Hear his story how Jonathan came to understand and accept his sexual orientation, the impact he made on others, how he handled the threats of violence towards his family, and how he turned his life experience into a force for good to help others of all generations.<...