No Empty Chairs

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By: Candice Clark

Did you know that you can have a great relationship with your adult children even if you have faith differences? My name is Candice Clark. I’m a mom, a Professional Certified Life Coach with Advanced Certification in Faith-based Coaching, and a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If you’re willing to make more room for difference in your family and your church, I can show you how to keep your relationship with your children and your faith. Let’s Go!

Where We Are Now - Episode 55
#55
07/22/2025

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Today's episode shares a quick update about the future of No Empty Chairs: the podcast for moms whose kids don't come to church

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship with your children and your faith. While you're there, be sure to pull up a chair and sign up with your email to...


Elements of Dignity: Understanding and Accountability - Episode 54
#54
07/08/2025

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The Dignity Index

Speaking of the Utah Pilot Project, University of Utah President Taylor Randall said, “The Dignity Index relies on one of the most ancient tools for social change in the history of human beings – conscience. When we see how often we use contempt and how harmful it is, we see we’re a part of the problem, and that makes us part of the solution.”

Donna Hicks, the author of the book Dignity: Its Essential Role in Resolving Conflict created the list of The 10 Elements of Dignity. 

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Elements of Dignity: Recognition, Fairness, and Benefit of the Doubt - Episode 53
#53
06/24/2025

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 The Dignity Index

Speaking of the Utah Pilot Project, University of Utah President Taylor Randall said, “The Dignity Index relies on one of the most ancient tools for social change in the history of human beings – conscience. When we see how often we use contempt and how harmful it is, we see we’re a part of the problem, and that makes us part of the solution.”

Donna Hicks, the author of the book Dignity: Its Essential Role in Resolving Conflict created the list of The 10 Elements of Dignity. 

ACCEPTIN...


Elements of Dignity: Acknowledgement and Independence - Episode 52
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06/10/2025

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 The Dignity Index

Speaking of the Utah Pilot Project, University of Utah President Taylor Randall said, “The Dignity Index relies on one of the most ancient tools for social change in the history of human beings – conscience. When we see how often we use contempt and how harmful it is, we see we’re a part of the problem, and that makes us part of the solution.”

Donna Hicks, the author of the book Dignity: Its Essential Role in Resolving Conflict created the list of The 10 Elements of Dignity. 

ACCEPTIN...


Mother's Day - Episode 51
#51
05/27/2025

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Because it's never too late to hear encouragement for women and mothers, here's the talk Candice gave in her ward on Mother's Day.

Quotes included in the talk:

“I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.” (John 10:10)

“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my...


Listen, Learn, and Love - Episode 50
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05/13/2025

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This episode is an interview with Richard Ostler that originally appeared on Listen, Learn, and Love.

Listen, Learn, and Love hosted by Richard Ostler - Episode 807Bridges–Support for Latter-day Saint Parents of Adult Children Facebook groupI’ll Walk with You–A Support Group for Latter-day Saint Parents of LGBTQ+ Children Facebook groupcandiceclarkcoaching.comhttps://www.facebook.com/candiceclarkcoaching/No Empty Chairs podcast

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candi...


Elements of Dignity: Inclusion and Safety - Episode 49
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04/29/2025

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 The Dignity Index

Speaking of the Utah Pilot Project, University of Utah President Taylor Randall said, “The Dignity Index relies on one of the most ancient tools for social change in the history of human beings – conscience. When we see how often we use contempt and how harmful it is, we see we’re a part of the problem, and that makes us part of the solution.”

Donna Hicks, the author of the book Dignity: Its Essential Role in Resolving Conflict created the list of The 10 Elements of Dignity. 

ACCEPTIN...


Elements of Dignity: Accepting Dignity - Episode 48
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04/15/2025

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 The Dignity Index

Speaking of the Utah Pilot Project, University of Utah President Taylor Randall said, “The Dignity Index relies on one of the most ancient tools for social change in the history of human beings – conscience. When we see how often we use contempt and how harmful it is, we see we’re a part of the problem, and that makes us part of the solution.”

Donna Hicks, the author of the book Dignity: Its Essential Role in Resolving Conflict created the list of The 10 Elements of Dignity. 

ACCEPTIN...


Quiet - Episode 47
#47
04/01/2025

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Another experience of meditation from Thomas McConkie's podcast One Heart One Mind. "Episode 2: The Prayer of Quiet"

Father Thomas Keating said in his book Open Mind Open Heart, “My conviction is that if people are never exposed to some kind of non-conceptual prayer, it may never develop at all because of the overly intellectual bias of western culture and the anti-contemplative trend of Christian teaching in recent centuries.”

What happens if you take your foot off the gas?

What would it look like for you to introduce more...


Praying for Atmosphere - Episode 46
#46
03/18/2025

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A few thoughts on Thomas McConkie's new podcast One Heart One Mind.

Moses 7:18 "And the Lord called his people Zion, because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them."

Thomas's book Atonement: Embodying the Fullness of Human Divinity

Howard Thurman quote from Disciplines of the Spirit:
“The experience of prayer can be nurtured and cultivated. It can create a climate in which a man’s life moves and functions. Indeed, it may become a wa...


Good Hearts: A Conversation with Tina Gosney - Episode 45
#45
03/04/2025

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Tina Gosney, the Family Conflict Coach, shares some of what she's learned as a relationship coach and as a mom of kids who don't come to church--kids with good hearts.

To learn more from Tina and her good heart, follow her podcast Coaching Your Family Relationships or visit her website to find out how you can work with her.

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Banana Pudding - Episode 44
#44
02/18/2025

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How do you handle a treasured family recipe when the intended recipient doesn't eat the title ingredient?

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship with your children and your faith. While you're there, be sure to pull up a chair and sign up with your email to be the first to know about...


Growing Confidence: A Conversation with Lisa Shumway - Episode 43
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02/04/2025

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In this episode, Candice interviews Lisa Shumway, a mother of five and an active moderator in the Bridges Facebook group for LDS parents of adult children. Lisa shares her deeply personal journey of raising children who have stepped away from the LDS Church, the complexities of their individual paths, and her own evolving faith. She discusses the impact of her children's unique challenges, such as medical issues and autism, on her family dynamics, and how these experiences shifted her mindset away from a transactional view of faith. Lisa also reflects on her changing...


Not Enough - Episode 42
#42
01/21/2025

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Episode 41 asserted that we are enough. What happens if someone says we are not enough?

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship with your children and your faith. While you're there, be sure to pull up a chair and sign up with your email to be the first to know about news and...


Enough - Episode 41
#41
01/07/2025

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My word for 2025 is “enough.” Here are some things that help me remember that I'm enough, and so are my kids. There is enough time, enough room, enough love for whatever comes my way. 

Doctrine and Covenants 104:17, “there is enough and to spare”Doctrine and Covenants 104:15, “it is my purpose to provide for my saints.”Good Inside: Becoming the Parent You Want to Be by Dr. Becky Kennedy“Am I Enough” Love Like You by Emma Nissen “When Paths Diverge - Parenting Through Faith Shifts” Coach Tina Gosney and Dr. Jennifer Finlayson-Fif...


Fear Not - Episode 40
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12/24/2024

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Merry Christmas! I wish you love, peace, and joy in our Savior as we celebrate His birth.

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship with your children and your faith. While you're there, be sure to pull up a chair and sign up with your email to be the first to...


Faith, Hope, Love - Episode 39
#39
12/10/2024

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What if faith is a belief or thought, hope is a feeling that comes from that thought, and charity is the actions that flow from a feeling of hope? What does that mean for you as the parent of a child who doesn't come to church?

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship...


Getting Here from There - Episode 38
#38
11/26/2024

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What would happen if you believed things will work out? What if that's true, even if you can't see how right now?

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship with your children and your faith. While you're there, be sure to pull up a chair and sign up with your email to be...


Maybe, We'll See - Episode 37
#37
11/12/2024

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This is terrible! Maybe, we'll see. This is amazing! Maybe, we'll see. In the face of uncertainty, we can decide what we want to believe about the future.

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship with your children and your faith. While you're there, be sure to pull up a chair and sign...


Focus - Episode 36
#36
10/29/2024

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When you can't quite change that stubborn thought, you can always change your focus.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2024/10/24kearon?lang=eng

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship with your children and your faith. While you're there, be sure to pull up a chair and sign up with your...


Mostly What God Does - Episode 35
#35
10/15/2024

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Candice talks about Savannah Guthrie's book Mostly What God Does. 

Spoiler Alert: Mostly what God does is love us.

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship with your children and your faith. While you're there, be sure to pull up a chair and sign up with your email to be the fi...


Self-Confrontation or Over-Responsibility? - Episode 34
#34
10/01/2024

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Learn more about self-confrontation: https://www.finlayson-fife.com/podcasts/conversations-with-dr-jennifer/post/3-ways-become-better-partner

Matthew 7:3-5
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy [child’s] eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy [child], Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote ou...


Embracing My Journey - An Interview with Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward of At Last She Said It - Episode 33
#33
09/17/2024

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Candice talks with Susan Hinckley and Cynthia Winward as part of At Last She Said It's "Embracing Your Journey" series

Quotes from the episode
“A covenant is not a cage” -Candice
“People want to hear what I have to say” - Candice

"Your Divine Nature and Eternal Destiny" by Dale Renlund,  April 2022

At-One-Ment, by Thomas Wirthlin McConkie

“Big Voice—go ahead.” —Mrs. Frazzled (here)

“God is in relentless pursuit of you.” —Patrick Kearon

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Release - Episode 32
#32
09/03/2024

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Candice shares a fitness lesson about letting go that may benefit your relationship, too.

The psoas release exercise she talks about is part of the Restore Your Core program created by Lauren Ohayon. You can find Lauren on Instagram.

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship with your children and your...


Let the Savior Do the Rest: A Conversation with Tiffany Porter - Episode 31
#31
08/20/2024

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Tiffany Porter talks about her experience as a parent of a transgender child and the impact that has had on her family and herself. She was able to move from feeling "bereft" and "cheated" to grateful and full of love.

The 3 practices are:
I’ll be unusually interested in others
I’ll stay in the room with difference and
I’ll stop comparing my best to your worst.

Doctrine & Covenants 123:17
"let us cheerfully do all things that lie in our power; and then may we stand...


Is God Disappointed in Me? A Conversation with Kurt Francom - Episode 30
#30
08/06/2024

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Candice talks with Kurt Francom about his book Is God Disappointed in Me?: Removing Shame from a Gospel of Grace

Kurt Francom is the founder and executive director of Leading Saints and manages the day-to-day efforts of Leading Saints and is the host of the podcast. Kurt graduated from the University of Utah in 2008 with a degree in Business Marketing. He ran a web development company for 5 years before focusing on Leading Saints full-time. Kurt currently lives in American Fork, Utah with his lovely wife Alanna. They are blessed to have...


What Makes a Good Mom - Episode 29
#29
07/23/2024

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How do you define success as a parent? Is it about who you are and what you do, or does your sense of value depend on your kids?

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship with your children and your faith. While you're there, be sure to pull up a chair and sign...


Mortality Operating as Designed: Interview with Shiree Best - Episode 28
#28
07/09/2024

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Shiree Best of Just Love Them podcast interviews me.

You found me! If what you heard on the No Empty Chairs podcast gives you hope for more help, please schedule a free Conversation with Candice. You can also visit candiceclarkcoaching.com for more information about how coaching tools can help you keep your relationship with your children and your faith. While you're there, be sure to pull up a chair and sign up with your email to be the first to know about news and events for moms whose kids don't...


Blame Stories - Episode 27
#27
06/25/2024

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In the middle of the continuum, away from shame and blame, we find kindness and accountability. The middle is where the truth lies. 

Quotes from Pr. Russell Nelson’s talk “Peacemakers Needed” 

“Building bridges of understanding will require much of you.”

“Contention drives away the Spirit, every time. Contention reinforces the false notion that confrontation is the way to resolve differences, but it never is. Contention is a choice. Peacemaking is a choice.”

“Charity is the antidote to contention. Charity is the spiritual gift that helps us cast off t...


Shame Stories - Episode 26
#26
06/11/2024

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Shame stories:

I should have known this about my child already.
I should have stood up for my child with ward leaders.
I should have taught my child better to respect ward leaders.
I should have confronted my child about their behavior or belief.
I should not have confronted my child about their behavior or belief.
I should have handled my child’s situation the way my neighbor handled theirs.
I should have listened better when my child told me about their changing faith.
I...


Choose Success - A Conversation with Chris Rich - Episode 25
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05/28/2024

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Chris Rich shares her journey to find joy and rejoicing in her family by choosing her own definition of success, even when her husband and children do not participate at church.

REFERENCES
Second Arrow
"Forget Me Not" Pr. Dieter Uchtdorf
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory by Roald Dahl
3 Nephi 17:23 "Behold your little ones."
"Am I a Good Mom?" Jody Moore
Byron Katie "When we argue with reality, we lose, but only 100% of the time.”
We Can Do Hard Things with Michelle Obama "Come home. We...


Assist Them throughout Their Journey - Episode 24
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05/14/2024

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New resource available on the website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It’s found on the Topics and Questions page of the Church website. There’s a section called “Seeking Answers to Questions,” and then right under that there’s a section called “Helping Others with Questions.”

This episode takes a look at the section of "Helping Others with Questions" called “
Assist Them throughout Their Journey.”

Ideas on being a safe source for discussion from
Jeralee Renshaw...


Nourish Your Own Faith - Episode 23
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04/30/2024

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New resource available on the website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It’s found on the Topics and Questions page of the Church website. There’s a section called “Seeking Answers to Questions,” and then right under that there’s a section called “Helping Others with Questions.”

This episode takes a look at the section of "Helping Others with Questions" called “
Nourish Your Own Faith.”

The
Gospel Topics Essays on the Church website are a good...


Trust in the Lord - Episode 22
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04/16/2024

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New resource available on the website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It’s found on the Topics and Questions page of the Church website. There’s a section called “Seeking Answers to Questions,” and then right under that there’s a section called “Helping Others with Questions.”

This episode takes a look at the section of "Helping Others with Questions" called “
Trust in the Lord.”

Elder Russell Ballard from a
speech he gave at BYU:


Listen with Humility - Episode 21
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04/02/2024

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New resource available on the website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It’s found on the Topics and Questions page of the Church website. There’s a section called “Seeking Answers to Questions,” and then right under that there’s a section called “Helping Others with Questions.”

This episode takes a look at the section of "Helping Others with Questions" called “
Listen with Humility.”

When there are belief differences, 
3 Practices  help us cultivate curiosity...


Respond with Love - Episode 20
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03/19/2024

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New resource available on the website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It’s found on the Topics and Questions page of the Church website. There’s a section called “Seeking Answers to Questions,” and then right under that there’s a section called “Helping Others with Questions.”

This episode takes a look at the section of "Helping Others with Questions" called “
Respond with Love.”

Question to consider: Am I speaking of my ideals in a way that marginalizes...


Helping Others with Questions - Episode 19
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03/05/2024

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Episode 16 - Honor Their Journey: A Conversation with Jeralee Renshaw brought some new listeners. Welcome!

New resource available on the website of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It’s found on the
Topics and Questions page of the Church website. There’s a section called “Seeking Answers to Questions,” and then right under that there’s a section called “Helping Others with Questions.”

You can hear the perspective of an adult child stepping away from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latt...


18. Do Not Fear: A Conversation with Susan Siddoway
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02/20/2024

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Susan Siddoway shares how she stopped "using Satan's tactics to try and do the Lord's work" and put fear behind her.

RESOURCES
To join the Facebook group Bridges - Support for Latter-day Saint Parents of Adult Children, use this link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/BridgesLDSParents/
Please be sure to answer the membership questions to be admitted to the group.

Susan's daughter Brittany Bishoff is a life coach who helps tweens and teens
https://www.facebook.com/brittbishoffcoaching/?locale=hi_IN&paipv=0&eav=AfZHxkLqmVAxPASjrj7...


17. Likening
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02/06/2024

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New resource on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints website!

“Helping Others with Questions” is on a page called “
Topics and Questions” 
There are several short essays dealing with different aspects of helping others when they don’t believe the same as we believe. 

References from this episode:

1 Nephi 1 Nephi 19:232 Nephi 6:51 Nephi 3:7Nephi’s Courage

 
Questions from this episode:

What can I learn...


16. Honor Their Journey: A Conversation with Jeralee Renshaw
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01/23/2024

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Jeralee Renshaw, co-founder of the Bridges Facebook group, shares some of the wisdom she's learned moving from fear to faith as 3 of her 4 adult children have stopped participating at church.

RESOURCES
To join the Facebook group Bridges - Support for Latter-day Saint Parents of Adult Children, use this link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/BridgesLDSParents/
Please be sure to answer the membership questions to be admitted to the group.

David B. Ostler's book Bridges: Ministering to Those Who Question, The 2022 edition has a new chapter...