Roots Running

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By: Al Ferguson and Sean Cate

Roots is a trail and ultrarunning focused show born out of a deep appreciation for the humble origins of our sport, and a dedication to shedding light on stories that won't otherwise be told.

Arlen Glick | 'The Chase' Documentary, Cocodona 250, ACL surgery, Fishing and More
05/02/2025

Arlen Glick joins the fellas to talk all things BEAST coast, the recently released Aravaipa film 'The Chase' featuring Arlen as one of five runners, his decision to have ACL surgery after 12 years and 30,000 miles of running without an acl, and his love of fishing. Big thanks to Arlen for joining us for nearly two hours! We cannot wait to see the how he continues to demolish expectations and write his own unique path in the sport of ultra running.


The link to The Chase on Youtube!

Link to the MindBodyMarathon Interview...


Promise Land 50k and Canyons by UTMB Previews, Retail Running Stores, Livestream Wars, and Hot Takes | Roots Rundown Vol. 2
04/25/2025

In this episode, Sean Cate and Al discuss the evolution of trail running, focusing on how media coverage and technological advancements are shaping the sport. They delve into upcoming races, particularly the Promise Land and Canyons 100K, sharing personal insights and predictions about the competition. The conversation also highlights the importance of community when it comes to retail running stores, and more.


Highlights

02:47 Gorges Race Insights and Performances

06:09 The Impact of Media on Ultra Running

08:52 The Future of Live Streaming in Ultra Events

12:02 Shoe Brands and...


Caleb Bowen | Roots Episode 5
04/11/2025

Alvah and Sean welcome Caleb Bowen to the show this week!


If you enjoyed the show please follow, save, give us a review and feel free to send any questions or comments our way either in the comments section of the podcast or via instagram.


Chapters


00:00 Introduction to Caleb Bowen and His Journey

03:03 Growth of the Ultra Running Community in West Virginia

06:03 The Impact of Running on Local Communities

09:09 The Allure of Highland Sky Ultra

12:05 Transitioning...


Mount Mitchell Heart Breaker, Norda 005s, and Race Recaps | Roots Rundown vol 1
03/30/2025

Alvah and Sean bring you the very first edition of the Roots Rundown. The fellas catch up on Al's recent 50 miler, thoughts on the Norda 005s, all the race recaps fro Chianti, Big Alta, and more.


Let us know what you think and be sure to follow and leave a review if you enjoy the show!


-Al & Sean


Butch Slabach | Roots Episode 3
03/26/2025

This episode of Roots is brought to you by hard work and determination. 


Sean and Al are joined by Butch Slabach, a Virginia native coming hot onto the scene and throwing down some impressive times on classic Virginia ultra races, as well as out west with some of the best athletes in the sport. The fellas talk about Butch’s unorthodox intro into trail and ultra running, his time at the Virginia Tech Ultra Club, moving out to Oregon with his wife Emily, and then subsequent return to Virginia. Tune in to hear about But...


David Horton | Roots Episode 2
03/19/2025

Joining the Roots Running pod, none other than THE Dr. David Horton. Not a single person that we know of has influenced more people to become true runners and ultra-runners as Horton. Not only that, Dr. Horton started this decades before youtube, social media, and podcasts.


This episode features a sweeping view of the sport of ultra running from JFK 50 miler in 1979, winning the first two Hardrock 100's, to the mind blowing course records we've seen broken today at the sport's most competitve and historic ultras. In addition to being the second Barkley finisher...


An Origin Story | Roots Episode 1
03/11/2025

We are stoked to bring you the very first episode of the Roots Running podcast, hosted by Sean Cate and Alvah Ferguson. This episode features a dive into the purpose of the podcast, what trail/ultra events Alvah and Sean are excited about in 2025 and a preview of what is to come.

-We can only go up from here😎


Cheers to old friends and new beginnings!


-Al & Sean


WTGGT: The Final Episode
02/25/2025

Tough fam! We apologize dearly for the whiplash, as our last episode led both all of us to believe we were continuing on with the WTGGT podcast with renewed vigor. The truth is, today's episode will be the final edition of When The Going Gets Tough.


After reflecting on our passions and desires. Adam and I decided the best thing for us both would be to say no to a good thing (continuing WTGGT) in order to say yes to better things (each of our new podcasts). Adam has been working on launching a...


Where We Are Heading in 2025: WTGGT- Episode 76
02/05/2025

A little late for a new years announcement but never too late to let you guys know Adam and I are making some changes to WTGGT this year, and some we think you guys will really enjoy. Every year we reflect on how the podcast is going, what our purpose in producing it is, and how we can stay true to our vision while growing in a way that is natural and makes sense.


While WTGGT is obviously not our day job, we admit that the last few months we have really been 'going...


Black Canyons 100k Preview with Lee Jarvis: WTGGT- Episode 75
01/28/2025

This episode of When The Going Get’s Tough is brought to you by Lee Jarvis Coaching™️


Lee joined the boys this week to discuss his winter training block in anticipation of the Black Canyon’s 100k coming up February 8th, 2025. Lee shares insights into how his training differed on this block, and what his head space is going into the race. 


Lee also shares advice for those interested in their first marathon *cough* Adam *cough*. What is a good time goal for your first marathon? It depends😁. 


...


Beginner Strength Training: WTGGT- Episode 74
01/21/2025

This episode of When The Going Get’s Tough is brought to you by blood, sweat and determination. Sean recaps his first week of the training program under Adam’s supervision and shares what went well and what will be tweaked. Short and sweet today. 



Attached here is the document outlining Adam’s program for Sean if anyone is looking for a simple training plan that can easily fit into a busy schedule, while hitting all the important foundation.


If you have any questions feel free to reac...


Sean’s Strength Training Program: WTGGT- Episode 73
01/14/2025

This episode of When The Going Get’s Tough is brought to you by blood, sweat and determination. Adam discusses the details of Sean’s weightlifting program he has to follow for 90 days, and if he succeeds, Adam will train for a marathon with Sean for the late summer/fall. 


Attached here is the document outlining Adam’s program for Sean if anyone is looking for a simple training plan that can easily fit into a busy schedule, while hitting all the important foundation.


Training Program


I...


Three Years of When The Going Gets Tough: WTGGT- Episode 72
01/07/2025

Adam and Sean reconnect for a much needed reflection on the 2024 season, discuss how their goals and expectations for last year held up to reality, and look ahead to the 2025. 


We would like to thank everyone who supported us with their listenership this year. This year we took some big leaps forward and a few steps back, as is the natural rhythm of life. Overall we are really happy and proud to continue this endeavor as we seek to bring you more conversations, more guests, and more ideas about living a life that isn’t e...


2024 Hellgate 100k Race Recap: WTGGT-Episode 71
12/17/2024

Sean and Lee Jarvis sit down to debrief Sean’s performance at the Hellgate 100k this past weekend. The fellas sat down just one day post race to discuss what went well, how the training worked and what might have been done differently. 


Sean placed 5th at this years Hellgate with an official time of 11:31:55, a small PR over his time from 2022. 


What is more remarkable is that Sean spent less than 50 miles of his training block on single track trails, and with Coaching from Lee, was able to crea...


Hellgate 100k Preview and This Year In Ultra Running featuring Alvah Ferguson: WTGGT - Episode 70
12/10/2024

On this weeks episode Sean Cate and special guest Alvah Ferguson breakdown Sean’s unorthodox training block for the upcoming Hellgate 100k. Additionally the fellas announce their upcoming new podcast exclusively dedicated to Trail and Ultra Running news, Trail Talk. 


The second half of the podcast covers Sean and Alvah’s most notable performances in ultra running for the 2024 year. 


Thanks for listening and being apart of the tough fam. 


-A&S


Recommitting to Goals Amidst Seasonal Depression and Holiday Mayhem-WTGGT: Episode 68
12/03/2024

On today's episode the boys get real about how they approach Holiday season and cold winter days in terms of training and eating.


Most people experience weight gain and a significant decrease in physical activity due to shorter days, cold weather, and abundance of holiday parties where the food might be delicious, but not necessarily nutritious. Adam and Sean give their mindset and practical tips on how to stay active and reduce overeating. If you want your January resolution to stick, your best bet is to start forming good habits today. 



Cycling Culture with Dylan Curtis: WTGGT - Episode 67
11/26/2024

Todays episode features Fort Wayne local legend, Founder and Manager of Apex Cycling, and new friend of Sean’s Dylan Curtis. 

Dylan is extremely passionate about riding bikes, which he’s been doing since he could walk (without training wheels). The boys talk about why Sean is dead wrong about his impression of cycling culture, about various teams Dylan has raced with competitively, and how he saw a gap in the development of post-grad cyclist and took the opportunity to found his own team, Apex Cycling. Apex competes with both mens and women’s teams at a Nationa...


What's The Next Big Fitness Trend: WTGGT - Episode 66
11/19/2024

Adam and Sean chat about the various challenges of job searching and transition phases in life. If you want to see the exercise Sean was attempting to describe check it out here.

Other topics include:

-The current arc of hybrid athlete training and where we go from here.

-Maximalism versus Minimalism in fitness.

-Why we never really want to be full time influencers.

-Hobbyfluencers and day in the life style content

-Why are we still doing this podcast? 


As always, if you l...


The Overtraining Undertraining Pendulum: WTGGT- Episode 65
11/12/2024

Whats cooking Tough Fam. Today your beloved hosts cover a myriad of topics from:

-Effective strength training can happen in 20-45min 4 days a week

-Intensity is the key to efficient training

-Why people overtrain

-Building confidence doing hard things

-Looking for challenges that stretch your comfort zone without overtraining

-Adam’s more laid back approach to training

-The difficulty of balancing intense exercise with healthy lifestyle choices


Also noted in this episode, Adam challenged Sean to commit to a we...


Just Run as Fast as You Can: WTGGT - Episode 64
11/05/2024

Your beloved Hosts Adam and Sean catch up on todays episode and Sean shares reflections of how he's redefined his running/training/racing goals in a way that is more aligned with his real values. These realizations opened up conversations about honest self reflection, the things that influence our beliefs about ourselves, and what fuels our desires.


Listen to the Run Singletrack podcast which inspired Sean's recent thought's here.


As always thanks for listening to this weeks episode of When The Going Gets Tough. Thanks for being a part...


Reframe Your Limits: WTGGT - Episode 63
10/29/2024

Welcome to another week and yet another collab with Ben Wright's 'Between The Guidelines' podcast. This time around, Ben and Adam catch up covering Ben's new interest in martial arts, philosophical discussions on how our physical activities can help us reframe the limits our minds put on our abilities to overcome.


Thankful for Ben Wright and his time this week! Check out Between The Guidelines on Spotify and be sure to follow Ben's work.


Have a strong week you beautiful mothertoughers.


A&S


Pro Baseballer, Counselor, and Runner Walk Into A Room: WTGGT - Episode 62
10/22/2024

This week Sean sits down with a new friend, Langston Ginder to talk about his journey playing independent league baseball with hopes of one day getting called up to the MLB. In addition to baseball, Langston is also pursuing a Masters degree in Mental Health Counseling and shares insights from his experience and training in therapy as they relate to athletics and life as a whole.


As always, thanks for listening you mothertoughers.


-A&S


Tough Truths with Adam and Sean: WTGGT - Episode 61
10/15/2024

Sean and Adam catch up on this episode. Together, the boys philosophize about what life would be like if they had stayed on some of the paths they were on early in college. Other conversation includes how to change your perspective, the importance of voicing your internal narrative out loud with those you trust, and other insightful reflections.


Staying tough sometimes means reaching out in vulnerability. Talk to the people you love, people.


❤️A&S



Ultra Running, Investing, and Bees with Brinton Johns: WTGGT -Episode 60
10/08/2024

Welcome to the podcast Brinton Johns! Brinton is an investor and bee keeper living in Golden, Colorado. Brinton enjoys ultra running, spending time with his kids, and backpacking. Adam and Sean attempt to download some of his wisdom and somehow synthesize the commonalities between investing, ultra distance running, and bee keeping.

This is your reminder to take a breath. We're playing the long game.

Thanks for listening as always ❤️

A&S



STOP FOAM ROLLING: WTGGT - Episode 59
10/01/2024

HAPPY TUESDAY! The fellas run through various recovery techniques and discuss whether they are actually helpful for increased MUSCLE growth or not.


Dr. Mike's video inspiring todays episode here


Sorry not sorry for the clickbait title.


Prayers out to our Asheville and Greenville fam. Stay tough Fam❤️


Heat Training for Peak Performance: WTGGT - Episode 58
09/26/2024

Sean and Adam dive into the new scientific research regarding heat training and adaptations for increased endurance performance. Sean outlines how, and why heat training can be helpful and is relatively accessible for everyone.


Disclaimer: heat training comes with inherent risks! Do your own research and use common sense when implementing these types of exercises.


As always, when the going gets tough, y'all mothertoughers get going.


-A&S


Run Rabbit Run 100 Recap: When The Going Gets Tough - Episode 57
09/17/2024

The fellas discuss Sean's recent trip out to Steamboat Springs Colorado to crew friend and legend Will Stough in his first 100 miler.


Growth From Change: WTGGT - Episode 56
09/09/2024

Adam and Sean have a good old fashioned catch-up and discuss some life transitions they're both adapting and adjusting to. The boys also discuss how their athletic pursuits are currently evolving in response to those changes, and what challenges they are looking forward to.


Crossfit w/ The Kuhlman Sisters: WTGGT - Episode 55
08/26/2024

Welcome to the tough family Jessi and Jacy Kuhlman! These sisters are two of the toughest women we've had the great opportunity of hosting. Jessi and Jacy share about their experience playing on hockey teams with high school boys, playing high level collegiate hockey, and how that lead them to coaching and competing at some of the highest levels of Crossfit in the country. 

Jessi and Jacy both live and coach at Black Sheep CrossFit in West Palm Beach Florida, and just so happen to be starting a podcast of their own! We’ll be sure...


Fitness Trackers as Tools: WTGGT- Episode 54
08/19/2024

Sean and Adam discuss the recently trending fitness trackers and the pros/cons of using them. Much like social media, these tools can be extremely useful. As powerful as these watches and trackers have become, they can be inaccurate and highly addictive. All this and more on this weeks episode of WTGGT.


Stay tough out there!


A&S


Calories In Calories Out, Insulin, and Fat Loss/Gain: WTGGT- Episode 53
08/09/2024

Welcome to a very special episode of WTGGT with hosts Sean Cate and Adam Girard, and a very special guest, PhD student and friend Trace Cruz. Todays episode settles some confusing and inaccurate thoughts about how we gain or lose weight specifically in the form of body fat. Trace helps settle the score for Adam and Sean's differing perspectives on how best to lose fat, and what times of diets produce different results on a biological level. Give it a listen if you are interested in learning more and dispelling some myths about how adiposity (body fat) is gained...


ANOUNCEMENT: Upcoming WTGGT SHOWDOWN
08/06/2024

What's up tough family! We (Adam and Sean) are super excited to let you all in on news regarding an upcoming episode that has the potential to shape the future of the podcast. We will be hosting an epic showdown between Trace Cruz, and Sean Cate discussing the ins and outs of Calories In Calories Out (CICO) versus Carbohydrate Insulin Model of weightless. Sean is hopelessly undereducated compared to Trace, so keep him in your prayers as he prepares for this next episode. The conversation will go LIVE right here Friday AM so stay tuned and let us know...


State of the Podcast Address: WTGGT- Episode 52
07/30/2024

Just a classic Adam+Sean ramble on various topics. Slight sparring from the boys on different perspectives on fatloss, all to unfold in a future podcast! Thanks for hanging with us #mothertoughers


Love,

Sean and Adam


Deloading and Periodization for Science Based Training: WTGGT - Episode 51
07/23/2024

Adams first week of NO TRAINING in over a year! Sean and Adam discuss the importance of periodically and intentionally taking time to to train at lower intensities and take actual time off from training. Sean shares how his motivation has been shifting from singularly race focused training to lifestyle training.


#hybridtraining #deloading #sciencebasedlifiting #ultrarunning #marathontraining #mothertoughers #wtggt


Science Based Lifting, Dr. Mike Israetel, 50th Episode Recap: WTGGT - Episode 50
#50
07/15/2024

Sean and Adam sit down for the 50th episode of When the Going Gets Tough. To start Adam rants about science based lifting, which is followed by a bit of reflection on the first couple episodes.


Chris Jean speaks on hard work and proving skeptics wrong: WTGGT - Episode 49
#49
07/01/2024

Adam and Sean sit down with Chris Jean (@asosipapi @docdontmiss). Chris is a student currently getting a PHD in biomedical engineering at Georgia Tech, while simultaneously getting an MBA. His athletic background is in basketball, but now focuses on a body building inspired lifting routine.


Rise of the Run Club & Hybrid Athlete Trends: WTGGT - Episode 48
06/24/2024

Sean and Adam discuss how the current landscape on social media and COVID19 catalyzed the explosion of Run Clubs first in Europe and now in major cities all across the US. Fellas also cover how and maybe why hybridized training is trending particularly hard right now and cover a few of the key 'influencers' on that front.


Want to be a part of this community? Follow the podcast for weekly episodes and share with your friends and family.


We love you guys, and thanks for listening! #mothertoughters #toughfam #hybridathlete...


Tanner Petty discusses how to prioritize training with a busy lifestyle: WTGGT - Episode - 47
#47
06/17/2024

Sean and Adam sit down with Tanner Petty. Tanner is a father of 3, but also a personal training in the Lynchburg area. He showcases how everyone can make time to train, even if that time is 15 min.


Nutrition, Controversial Foods, and Burnout: WTGGT -Episode 46
06/10/2024

A very special episode recorded on Adam's birthday. Topics include but are not limited to healthy eating habits, raw milk controversy, and the never ending puzzle of dialing in fitness in the midst of work/life balance.


Love you guys, stay #tough


Cocodona 250, the future of ultra running, and lifestyle choices for you: WTGGT - Episode 45
#45
06/03/2024

Sean breaks down the current shift in ultra running to 200+ mile races and what role Cocodona 250 played in this. Adam discusses his vacation and how subconsciously his lifestyle decisions are becoming focused on his wellness.