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The Property Management Show returns with Part 3 of Marie Tepman’s discussion with Todd Ortscheid, which builds off the earlier discussions of fee-maxing and choosing the right revenue model. In the conclusion of this series, we focus on the importance of education when it comes to property management marketing, and how to use AI to boost productivity without losing the human touch.

Property Management Marketing Starts with Content Marketing

To someone who does not know the property management industry, the idea that a company like Fourandhalf would market exclusively to property management companies seem...

Most property-management owners focus on adding new doors, or, they’re just concerned with reputation management and they don’t feel like they need to grow their business. But, they ignore the cause of lost revenue and lower customer lifetime values: annual churn that quietly erodes 20–25 % of portfolios.

You probably don’t realize just how big your churn rate is.

Welcome to Part 2 of our conversation with Todd Ortscheid, CEO of Revolution Rental Management. In this part of our series, we are talking about real world churn rates for property managers, how boosting your Cust...

Welcome back to The Property Management Show!

Today kicks off a special three-part discussion on fee-maxing with Todd Ortscheid. In Part One of this important conversation, we will take a look at what responsible fee-maxing looks like, how it can double your revenue, improve your services, and ultimately increase customer lifetime value. When done right, it can also keep residents on your side.

Expect to unpack some juicy math.

Todd Ortscheid: Automation Addict and Fee-Maxing Evangelist

It’s great to welcome Todd back to our podcast. He has worn ne...

Ray Hespen, who is a frequent flier on The Property Management Show, joined us again to discuss maintenance metrics and how measurement improves resident satisfaction and owner NOI.

The last time he was on the podcast, in late 2023, his team was just beginning to establish this concept of maintenance analytics. He was investigating what it would look like if property managers looked at maintenance from a data-driven standpoint. He was beginning to collect all the necessary data.

It’s been more than a year now, and we brought him back to talk about wh...

Fourandhalf’s Marie Tepman, Interviewed by Marc Cunningham on the PM Build Property Management Business Podcast

Marc Cunningham, from Grace Property Management and PM Build, invited Marie onto his podcast to talk about artificial intelligence (AI) and its role in property management marketing. Specifically, the discussion revolved around getting more owner leads for property managers.

In an environment where budgets are shrinking and a lot of property managers are still unsure about AI, this discussion provides some clarity. Here’s what was discussed.

Property Management Marketing and Gaining Owner Leads

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Can vendor bidding solutions like RoDevia Brigham’s Proposabid create more transparency and detect fraud?

That’s where we left off during Part 1 of this discussion on The Property Management Show. Let’s pick up the conversation about how the bidding process is broken, and how property managers can avoid wasting time and money. Here’s Part 2.

How has Proposabid Contributed to Fraud Detection?

When RoDevia was talking with her partner, they discussed how a lot of vendors would inflate pricing or maybe there would be work that was needed but didn’t rea...

It’s been a long time since we put out an episode of The Property Management Show and today we’re excited to talk with RoDevia Brigham, the founder and CEO of Proposabid.

The vendor bidding process is an entire industry on its own, and this is a topic we have not covered before on the podcast.

Introducing RoDevia and Proposabid

Proposabid does bids and estimations for properties and repairs across US. Their niche client base is property management companies, real estate investors, and mom-and-pop investors. They work with peop...

Welcome back to The Property Management Show.

On today’s episode, we’re talking to an expert on mergers and acquisitions, who has specific experience in property management. We’re talking to Scott Duke, of OpnRoad. He’s talking about the things that make a difference in the sale of a property management company. Your buyer and your profit will depend a lot on your contracts, your efficiency, and your team.

Introducing Scott Duke

Scott and his wife bought and ran a property management company in Revenstoke, Canada. They grew their company...



Amy Harrison is a sales and marketing copywriter from the U.K. and an expert in storytelling. After hearing her speak at a marketing conference and finding the information invaluable, we invited her onto The Property Management Show to talk about the evolution of marketing content and copywriting and how AI can help with persuasive copy, as long as you’re finessing the message with the information that only you have.

Amy Harrison’s Background

Amy thought she wanted to be a screenwriter for film and television, but quickly burned out at a young...

PJ Clay, the Director of Client and Partner Services at Rental Beast, joins us on The Property Management Show to discuss the company’s role as the rental MLS, and how they provide back-end technology to MLS associations across the United States and Canada.

We also discussed whether this type of technology can help or hurt property managers.

PJ says it helps.

Introducing Rental Beast

Rental Beast calls itself the rental MLS. It provides back-end technology to MLS associations in certain markets throughout the U.S. and Canada. The Mu...

Two guests are joining The Property Management Show today, and they are Scott Brady and Garrett Brady from Progressive Property Management in southern California. Scott has been on the show before, and tends to talk about forward-looking topics that involve challenging the status quo. Garrett is his son, and a big part of the company’s […]

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Marc Cunningham is a property management consultant and he’s also the President of Grace Property Management in Colorado. He’s joining The Property Management Show today not only because he’s a prominent figure in property management, but also because he’s one of the first property management professionals who embraced video marketing. Marc is still promoting video […]

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Welcome back to The Property Management Show. In our previous episode, we spoke with SEO and marketing guru Rand Fishkin about the shifting tides in digital marketing and the sources of influence that are important today. On the second part of our podcast with this guest, we’re talking about money keywords, vanity metrics, and generative […]

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Marie Tepman and Brittany Jones are on The Property Management Show, interviewing Rand Fishkin, co-founder of Moz and founder of SparkToro, about the changing landscape of digital marketing. This is only Part 1 of our discussion, which includes a look at the shift from SEO-centric strategies to a more diverse approach, the distinction between platforms […]

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Welcome back to The Property Management Show podcast, your go-to source for all things property management, entrepreneurship, and marketing. This podcast is proudly brought to you by Fourandhalf, a leading digital marketing agency specializing in property management. Fourandhalf has been instrumental in helping residential property managers generate more leads and attract quality property owners since […]

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Hello and welcome to The Property Management Show podcast, your go-to destination for exploring the dynamic world of property management, entrepreneurship, and marketing. Brought to you by Fourandhalf Marketing Agency, a leader in the industry since 2012. Fourandhalf helps residential property managers get more owner leads and improve their online presence through website design and […]

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 Welcome to The Property Management Show podcast, where we delve into the ever-evolving landscape of property management, entrepreneurship, and marketing. This show is presented by Fourandhalf Marketing Agency. Since 2012, Fourandhalf has been helping residential property managers get more owner leads by helping with their website, SEO, online reputation, video and blog content, social […]

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Welcome back to ‘The Property Management Show,’ where we deep-dive into the world of property management, marketing, and entrepreneurship. Your hosts are Marie Tepman and Brittany Jones from Fourandhalf Marketing Agency. Since 2012, Fourandhalf has helped hundreds of property managers get more owner leads through digital marketing. Whether you need help with your website, SEO, […]

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 Welcome to the latest episode of the Property Management Show, presented by Fourandhalf Marketing Agency. Since 2012, Fourandhalf has been helping residential property managers get more owner leads by helping with their website, SEO, online reputation, video and blog content, social media, and paid ads. In this episode, we’re excited to host Jennifer Merritt, […]

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 In typical fashion, we ended up covering so much ground with Ray Hespen of Property Meld that we had to split our full conversation into two episodes. In Part 1, we discussed what maintenance analytics is, why it’s important, and what it can do for a property management business. This is Part 2 of […]

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 On The Property Management Show, we recently had a conversation with Ray Hespen, the CEO and co-founder of Property Meld. We always find ourselves talking to him a lot – and about a lot. This episode is no different. We covered so much ground that we split the interview into two episodes. Here’s part […]

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 Byron Thompson from Monument Real Estate Management is joining The Property Management Show to talk about a subject we’ve never addressed on this podcast: urban real estate markets. Byron has been a listener for a long time, and we’re happy to have him in the guest seat today to talk about the unique challenges […]

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Byron Thompson from Monument Real Estate Management is joining The Property Management Show to talk about a subject we’ve never addressed on this podcast: urban real estate markets.

Byron has been a listener for a long time, and we’re happy to have him in the guest seat today to talk about the unique challenges and opportunities for both investors and property managers who work in urban markets such as Cleveland, where his company is based.

Introducing Byron and Monument

Byron owns and operates Monument Real Estate Management in Cleveland, Ohio. Th...

During Part One of our conversation with Heather Nicely, we talked about the pros and cons of adding short term rental (STR) properties to an established portfolio of long term rentals. Today, we’re getting more into the state of the STR market and how you can set yourself apart and serve owners better. Market Saturation […]

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Heather Nicely is a Realtor, broker, and loan officer, and also the president of the Arizona chapter of NARPM. She’s been on all sides of property management and today, she’s joining us to talk about short term rentals and how managing those properties are different from managing long term rentals. Heather’s Journey to the Short […]

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Hello to all our loyal listeners and property management enthusiasts! You must be wondering about what’s going on with The Property Management Show podcast. We’re here to give you the scoop! We’ve been busy with pre-production for our upcoming season. After a brief hiatus, Brittany is back with a bang! Yes, that’s right! Our beloved […]

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Our guest on The Property Management Show today is the legendary Deb Newell, of Real Time Consulting Services.  She has a lot of experience as a consultant and a property management business owner, so we wanted to get her thoughts on the state of the industry and what property management companies need to do to […]

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 The Property Management Show is pleased to welcome Matthew Kaddatz onto the podcast. He’s the senior director of product at Appfolio, and before joining Appfolio, he co-founded a property management company in 2006, right before a major recession. We’ve been talking to property management experts about how they moved through that recession and what […]

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 We’re talking to one of our long-time clients, Jeff Hacker, who runs Bayside Management and Leasing. He was on The Property Management Show three years ago, and we love talking with him because he’s been in the property management industry for 20 years.  He was with Bayside during the great financial meltdown between 2007 […]

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We’re welcoming MaryAnn Hoffman and Andrew Dougill back on The Property Management Show. They are the couple behind Hoffman Realty in Tampa, Florida, and they were with us on a previous podcast, where they discussed how they got started in the property management industry as a husband and wife team.   One of the things they […]

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 Kathleen Richards recently interviewed Marie for her PM Tribe coaching group. They talked about the importance of marketing for property management companies, when it makes sense to seek professional help, and the current trends in the property management industry.  There was lots of good information during that interview, and we want to share it […]

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 Scott Brady from Progressive Property Management, a successful property management company in southern California, is back on The Property Management Show, talking to us about an updated Blue Ocean Strategy that a property management company can use for the current market. You might remember that he joined us in 2015, when he introduced the […]

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The current economic climate is a double-edged sword for property management companies. On the one hand, we are seeing increasingly high demand for rental property as people look to downsize and move away from homeownership. On the other hand, with reduced job security and income levels, tenants may find themselves unable to pay rent or […]

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Greg Crabtree, CPA is back on The Property Management Show to talk about marketing spends and the return on investment (ROI) that property management companies should expect to see on marketing budgets. If you’re not already familiar with Greg, he’s an accomplished entrepreneur, financial expert, and the author of Simple Numbers, a book that every […]

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Dave Gorham is back as our guest on The Property Management Show. He is a co-founder of Realty Solutions in New Jersey, and we’re diving into his philosophy around customers for life, and how it’s important to align a business with the idea that you’re going to serve your customers in some capacity for as […]

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On The Property Management Show today, we’re speaking with Andrew Smallwood, who is the Chief Customer Officer (CCO) at Second Nature and the host of the Triple Win podcast. We’re diving into the difference between lifetime value and transactional value and how understanding that difference will help you have a successful property management business. Building […]

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Andrea Hardaway from First Property Management is blazing a path of success as she has published her book, Property Management Freedom, and recently gave an inspiring talk on the topic of market consolidation at PM Grow Summit 2022. Despite hefty acquisition offers by larger management companies coming in their direction, Andrea and company remain determined […]

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 We’re back on The Property Management Show with Kathleen Richards. In Part I, she shared her story about buying and selling a property management business, and how she introduced herself to her new employees and clients. We ended the chat talking about toxic owners and how to deal with them while acquiring a business. […]

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 The prospect of acquiring a property management business is very exciting. The hard part comes when the deal is done. How can you handle the baggage that comes with a book of business? How do you protect yourself from the potential loss of owners and employees? Our guest on today’s podcast has personal experience […]

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 Retaining Employees and Clients in a Way that’s Purposeful and Profitable: A Chat with Jan Leasure from Monterey Bay Property Management Wouldn’t it be nice if you had a team who was in it for the long haul? How do you define the long haul in property management? Is it 10 years or maybe […]

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