Grit & Grain Podcast
Beer gurus Matt McLaren (Orcas Distributing), Sean Jackson (Parkway Tavern) and Ron Swarner (Peaks & Pints) explore and celebrate the craft beer industry, community, and history in Tacoma, Washington, and surrounding Pacific Northwest region, with assistance from opinionated beer industry insiders. Engineered by Doug Mackey of Channel 253, you can hear the three India Pale Yale graduates and featured guests every Friday as they think and drink in a room completely devoid of oxygen as not to degrade the beer.
Episode 164: Pairing Beer and Cheese with Ericka Baird
Itâs beer and cheese week! Beer industry veteran, professional cheesemonger, and German language educator, Ericka Baird, joined us this week to talk about everything beer and cheese.
We picked up a variety of cheeses, from real Wisconsin curds to the world-famous Rogue River Bleu, and tried them alongside a few beers chosen by Matt. Ericka and Matt walk us through the pairings, and we see what works and what doesnât. And of course, Ericka drops an insane amount of history with every new creamery we explored.
Open a fresh Kraft Single and tune in to...
Episode 163: GABF Adventures with Bryan and Ron
The Great American Beer Festival wrapped up last weekend, and Ron attended for the second time with Peaks & Pints regular, Grit & Grain listener, and travel buddy, Bryan Johnson. Their four-day epic adventure had everything from hostile tap takeovers, $300 Lyft rides, Mexican food with a side of cliff diving, and, of course, a silent disco.
Tune in for all the details, plus Bethany and Matt went on their own beer-filled field trips, too!
Tap, tap, tap
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Episode 162: Michael Perozzo, Part 3
Our best buddies at Vice Beer just celebrated their 3-year anniversary, so we figured it would be the perfect time to get owner, operator, and North Bank beer ambassador Michael Perozzo back on the mic for his third Grit & Grain appearance.
Running a brewery three years out of a global pandemic comes with lots of ups and downs, but as youâll hear on this weekâs episode, itâs been a lot of ups lately! The Vice team is prepping for a major remodel and expansion of their brewery space, welcoming a new brewer into the fold...
Episode 161: Hop Selection Connection
Back again with another hoppy episode this week! This time, we wanted to change it up and give you all a peek behind the curtain at a yearly industry tradition.
During hop harvest season, brewers from all over the world come to Yakima to rub elbows with industry friends and rub hops to find out which lots and blends theyâll be using for the following year. Matt and Ron were lucky enough to be invited to join Lucky Envelope Brewing for its hop selection process.
Tune in to find out what the process is li...
Episode 160: Pumpkin Spice and Everything Nice
Nestled quietly in the margins of Oktoberfest and fresh hop season, pumpkin beers lay waiting to provide a reprieve from the punchy wet hopped IPAs and robust Marzen lagers.
This week, we quickly sample 15 different pumpkin beers currently on the shelves. What pumpkin beers are our favorites? Which ones are kind of weird? Which ones stand the test of time, despite numerous years in production and the emergence of new competitors?
Sheath your ego. Quell your pride. Embrace the pumpkin spice. It is here for you. It is here for all of us.
Tap...
Episode 159: Mansions and Museums in the Mecca of Hops
This is super special! We all know Yakima is known for its incredible hop agriculture, but what many folks may not know is that the modern hop industry has its roots a little closer to Tacoma.
This week, we are lucky to be joined by Shelly Schlumpf, president of the Puyallup Historical Society at Meeker Mansion. As a long-time veteran of public service in the Puyallup area, Shelly has spent her career helping folks connect more with their community and history and has turned her sights onto hops. Her team and the City of Puyallup are embracing...
Episode 158: Homebrew Competition Season!
Thatâs right! Besides being fresh hop season, pumpkin season, and festbier season, itâs also homebrew competition season.
Weâre lucky to be joined this week by Dustin Striplin from the Browns Point Homebrew Club to talk about their iconic Lights Out! Dark Beers Only competition making its return. With him is Phil Saurer, representing both Browns Point and the still young Peninsula Fermentation Society, to introduce their brand new All-American Homebrew Competition, featuring only American-developed styles of beer.
Tune in to hear what sort of work goes into running these events, the challenges organi...
Episode 157: Fresh Hop Season Preview
We are just about a week away from the most wonderful time of the year for Pacific Northwest beer nerds â fresh hop season! The chaotic, beautiful, and fleeting annual period where hops are plucked from the bines they grow on and thrown straight into beers while they are still dripping with aromatic oily goodness.
We are spoiled to have so many fantastic breweries that make incredible versions of these beers each year and we figured we would take a week, crack a few beers, and go through some ones weâre most excited for (shout out to our b...
Episode 156: Live from Brew Five Three Beer and Music Festival!
Itâs that time of year again! Brew Five Three Beer & Music Festival, Tacomaâs biggest beer taster-glass gathering, kicked off in a new location this year, the historic Armory building, and we were lucky enough to be invited back for another live show. We get into some highlights of the festival, our favorite beers of the day, and our best buddy and beer festival specialist, Gini Sommer, hops on the mic to talk about her work leading up to the big event.
Tune in for all the live show shenanigans and be sure to follow Tacoma Arts...
Episode 155: German Purity Law (wink wink) with Four Generals Brewing
Nestled in the small downtown area of Renton, Wash., a sleeping giant of a brewery is starting to make giant waves.
We are joined by the family-owned and operated Four Generals Brewing. Brewer Ross, parents and business partners Mary and Mike, and Sales Manager Ali all took to the mic this week to tell the story of this small brewery doing huge things â including winning a silver medal at the most recent World Beer Cup!
Crack a classic Altbier, Kolsch, or Helles and tune in to hear how Four Generals pursues perfection and produces beer th...
Episode 154: Hop Growers and Grain Makers with Haas Farm and LINC Malt, Part 2
Weâre back with part 2 of our raw ingredients special, featuring Rikki Welz from Haas Farms and Brian Estes from LINC Malt. With Grainmaker only one week away, we figured it would be a great...
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Episode 153: Hop Growers and Grain Makers with Haas Farm and LINC Malt
Itâs an extra special double header! We are joined this week by our best buddy and legendary hop sniffer, Rikki Welz from the world-renowned Haas Farms, and we are so happy to welcome Brian Estes,...
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Episode 152: Catching Up After a Week Off
Weâre back! Thanks for sticking around during our holiday hiatus week. Weâre back and have a bunch of catching up to do. Matt climbed a whole mountain, Bethany went camping with her little kiddos (arguably...
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Episode 151: Looking Thru The Sightglass with Austin and Julie
This week, we were super lucky to be joined by another local beer podcast crew. Austin and Julie uploaded the first episode of Thru The Sightglass back in March 2024 (with our good friend Rachyl...
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Episode 150: Beer Fest Fever
The Washington Brewers Festival and Firestone Walker Invitational have come and gone, and the Grit & Grain crew was lucky enough to be on the ground for both. This week, weâre recapping the magicâour favorite...
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Episode 149: Washington Beer Blog with Kendall Jones, Part 2
Kendall Jones is back! For Part 2, we dive right into the article posted to his longstanding Washington Beer Blog the morning of our recording, wherein Jones breaks down the Brewers Associationâs announcement of Mexican...
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Grit & Grain Episode 148: Keeping up with Joneses with Kendall Jones from Washington Beer Blog
Get ready for a super special double-header! This week, we are honored to invite local legend and Tacoma native Kendall Jones to Tacoma for a few beers and a few episodes dedicated to his decades-long...
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Episode 147: 10 Years of Beers! with Barry Chan of Lucky Envelope
Our best buddies at Seattleâs Lucky Envelope Brewing are celebrating their 10th year in the beer business with a bang â A year-long series of collaboration beers with former brewers who have left Barryâs tutelage...
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Episode 146: New 501(c)(3), who dis? with Shawna Cormier
Itâs almost time for the annual Washington Brewers Festival. The annual gathering of over 70 local breweries is just a few weeks away, so we figured this was the perfect time to get our best...
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Episode 145: Lyra Teaches Beer at the Craft Brewers Conference
The annual Craft Brewers Conference wrapped up a few weeks ago. While the Grit & Grain team was busy holding the fort in Tacoma, our best buddy and favorite beer educator, Lyra Penoyer, was on...
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Episode 144: Field Trips, Lights Out, and Title Belts with Tristan McCoy
Weâre back with our best buddy Tristan this week. The famed Northeast Tacoma-based Browns Point Homebrew Club has been extra busy, so we wanted to catch up with the former president. The homebrew club ventures...
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Episode 143: Wonât You Be My Neighbor? with Parker Rush from Narrows Brewing
Just last week, the news dropped that Tacomaâs Narrows Brewing is opening a second taproom location next to our home base, Peaks & Pints! This was the perfect time to get owner and brewer, Parker...
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Episode 142: What Is a Mexican Lager?!
Itâs almost Cinco de Mayo! And we thought it might be a perfect time to talk about everybodyâs favorite hard-to-define beer style: Mexican lagers. Mexican Lagers have a complicated past and present, from a misunderstood...
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Episode 141: Florida Woman Changes Everything About the Seattle Beer Scene with Leslie Shore
Oh man, itâs a doozie of an episode! The absolute legend herself, Leslie Shore, joins us this week! Leslie has spent the last decade cementing herself as one of the most talented and creative brewers...
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Episode 140: Full Circle from Full Sail with Charlie Devereux
Few people in the beer industry share the type of vision Charlie Devereux is known for in our circles. Knowing beer is one thing, understanding people is what sets him apart. From cutting his teeth...
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Episode 139: Incredible Story of Deep Draft Brewing
Tucked away in the small town of Gorst, Wash., lies a brewery that represents just about everything there is to love about the beer community: a true community space with outstanding food, world-class beer, and...
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Episode 138: Tournament of Beers!
Ron is back! And we figured it was a good time to let everyone know where he disappears to this time each year. The Tournament of Beers is Peaks & Pintsâ version of a March...
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Episode 137: Pink Boots are Made for Walkinâ
Weâre so excited about this one! Ali Himmel-Smith and Jen Nicosia, the respective chair and co-chair for the Seattle chapter of the Pink Boots Society, join us this week. Pink Boots is a pillar institution...
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Episode 136: Tacoma Beer Week Wrap Up
Tacoma Beer Week is in the rearview mirror for now, so itâs a great time to recap some outstanding TBW events around the South Sound. Phaedra and Matt Week catch up on some events, beer...
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Episode 135: Tacoma Beer Week Part 2 with Logan Brewing
The Grit & Grain ramped up Tacoma Beer Week 2025 over several episodes leading to its March 1 launch, including back-to-back episodes discussing our collaboration with Logan Brewing, No Bad Time Black IPA. For Part 2,...
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Episode 134: Tacoma Beer Week with Lander Coffee
The Grit & Grain ramped up Tacoma Beer Week 2025 over several episodes leading up to its March 1 launch. Now, knee deep in glorious TBW festivities, weâre thrilled to offer back-to-back episodes discussing our...
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Episode 133: Beer That âGose with the Flowâ with Silver City and Communities for a Healthy Bay
Itâs Tacoma Beet Week, and weâre discussing another considerable collaboration. This week, Silver City Brewery Sales Executive Scott Davis and Head Brewer Ian Campbell, Communities for a Healthy Bay Executive Director Melissa Malott, and Communications...
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Episode 132: All In Amber with Amber Pacific and Georgetown Brewing
We are only a few weeks away from Tacoma Beer Week and figured it was the perfect time to highlight a significant collaboration beer being released during the week. Â Local pop-punk powerhouse band Amber Pacific...
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Episode 131: Kate Milne from Larrabee Lager Co.
Larrabee Lager Company is one of the newest and fastest-rising stars in the Washington beer world. Fresh off of multiple medal wins and being declared Small Brewery of the Year in 2024, co-owner and marketing...
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Episode 130: Tacoma Beer Week 2025
Itâs already that time of year again. ⌠Mostly because Tacoma Beer Week has moved to March! This week, we welcome back Kyleigh Palmer and Gini Sommer, two long-time organizers of Tacoma Beer Week. They...
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Episode 129: More Beer News!
If you caught our last episode, we did our best to cover all the craziness surrounding the beer industry right now â but we barely scratched the surface. Â This week, we dive back into the...
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Episode 128: Is Craft Beer Dying?
The media has been busy with doom and gloom stories about the craft beer industry lately â but how bad can it be? This week, with the help of our best buddy R.J. Adler, we...
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Episode 127: Pilsner Party!
We all love pilsners, but there are so many versions of pilsner to choose from: West Coast pils, Italian pils, French pils, Czech pils. Â How can you tell them apart? Â What makes them different? Â Who...
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Episode 126: Dry January Special with Aaron Blonden from Self Care/3 Magnets
Happy New Year you beautiful nerds! If youâre partaking in Dry January or just need a reason to try out some non-alcoholic options, the Grit & Grain has you covered this week. We are joined...
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Episode 125: French Horns and Best Bitters with Texas Dave and Ted OâHanlan from Here Today
Itâs pre-Christmas week and we have a doozy! Â The famous Texas Dave and insanely skilled Ted OâHanlan hung out this week to give us the scoop on their work at Seattleâs new sweetheart brewery, Here...
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