Trial Lawyer Nation
Michael Cowen and his guests explore critical topics distinctive to the legal profession - specifically focusing on developing extremely efficient law practices, securing a competitive edge in the industry, and wildly excelling in the courtroom.
181 - Laura Pazin Porter â Resolving a Wrongful Death Case with Empathy, Strategy

These cases are ârighteous,â explains host Michael Cowen, âbecause when a tractor trailer is backing across the roadway, it is very difficult for oncoming traffic to see the trailer in time to stop.â He and trial partner Laura Pazin Porter recently resolved just such a case, in which their clientsâ father died after striking an 18-wheeler that was backing across a highway at night. Laura describes how she established trust with the grieving family members, and Michael reveals how he channeled his âJust Keep Swimmingâ mantra during adverse rulings. Together, they achieved a confidential settlement right before closing arguments.
Michael a...
180 - Delisi Friday â Are You Making LinkedIn Work for You?

In 2023, an American Bar Association report revealed that 81% of lawyers who use social media use LinkedIn. âThat sounds like a huge number, but I guarantee you they don't maximize their use of the platform,â Delisi Friday says to host Michael Cowen. The founder of First Call Friday, Delisi trains lawyers how to get the most out of LinkedIn and other marketing strategies. Tune in for her pro tips, including her coaching Michael, in real time, on how to improve his LinkedIn headline.
Michael and Malorie welcome listener questions for a new "Ask Michael and Malorie Anything" feature. To s...
179 - Juishree Samant â The Unexpected Path from Reception Desk to Trial Table

Receptionist-turned-litigator Juishree Samant got a masterclass right after law school when she worked in pre-litigation, convincing potential clients to hire the firm and resolving around 500 cases. âIt puts you in a position where you're comfortable picking up the phone no matter who it is you're talking to, whether that be the client, whether that be adjuster, opposing counsel,â she explains in this conversation with her boss and host Michael Cowen. Now an associate at Cowen Rodriguez Peacock, Juishree recounts her unique path and shares how she navigated her career transitions. Next up: handling depositions on her own, driving an 18-whe...
178 - David Christensen and Sarah Kime â Nine Minutes of Neglect: A $9.5 Million Lesson

Like a true crime thriller, the story of a gas station's tragic indifference unfolds as Michigan attorneys David Christensen and Sarah Kime share with host Michael Cowen how they secured a $9.5 million verdict after a clerk refused to call 911 for a stabbing victim. Shocking surveillance footage revealed the underage employee's callousness as the 30-year-old customer bled to death outside the store. Despite having only non-economic damages, the duo's masterful trial preparationâincluding expert testimony, focus groups, and compelling family witnessesâconvinced jurors of the gas station's liability for failing to train the overnight employee.
Michael and Malorie welc...
177 - Leon Dacbert â Your Firm Has Legal Software. Now What?

"We want our technology to create a better experience for clients and employees, not just one more extra task to do every day," says Leon Dacbert, a lawyer and chief technology officer at Begum Law Group. Leon joins host Michael Cowen to share his experience transitioning from server-based case management software to cloud solutions. Drawing from his personal journey of selecting, implementing, and customizing legal software, Leon offers practical guidance on avoiding costly mistakes, ensuring smooth transitions, and using technology to genuinely improve client care rather than simply adding administrative burden.
Michael and Malorie welcome listener questions...
176 - âAsk Michael and Malorie Anythingâ - Demonstrations and Reenactments

"Seeing is believing. When people actually see something rather than just hearing someone talk about it, it makes a huge difference," host Michael Cowen says of the impact of live demonstrations in personal injury cases. In this segment of âAsk Michael and Malorie Anything,â Michael and partner Malorie Peacock reveal how real-world demonstrations can make complex principles understandable to jurors, why they're more effective than animations, and when to invest in this powerful trial strategy.
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175 - Harlan Schillinger â Why Your Marketing Isn't Working

In 1977, when attorney advertising became legal through the Bates decision, Harlan Schillinger spotted an opportunity that would pioneer an entire industry. In this episode, the self-described "grandfather of legal marketing" shares insights from his nearly five decades of experience with host Michael Cowen. While emphasizing television's enduring power, Harlan explains how social media and digital strategies have transformed legal marketing, creating both challenges and opportunities. Harlan and Michael explore why authenticity and compassion must remain central to any successful legal marketing approach.
Featured Guest
Name: Harlan Schillinger
About: Known as the "grandfather of...
174 - Amy Hall â Elevating Your Case with Visual Trial Strategy

Host Michael Cowen welcomes back visual trial strategist Amy Hall for a discussion about her work helping lawyers connect with juries through visual displays. As she explains, people remember more of what they see than what they just hear â which makes visuals an important tactic in the courtroom. Her strategy focuses on guiding her clients to distill a case so that they display only important points on visual elements like timelines.Â
Michael and Malorie welcome listener questions for a new âAsk Michael and Malorie Anythingâ feature. To submit a question, email Michael.
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173 - Malorie Peacock - You Asked. We Answered. 8 Burning Listener Questions

In the first installment of their new âAsk Malorie and Michael Anythingâ feature, host Michael Cowen and colleague Malorie Peacock tackle eight questions from listeners. They offer strategies and tips on topics ranging from launching a career as a personal injury lawyer, to navigating a traumatic brain injury case, to managing doubts about an expert witness.
Have a question for Michael and Malorie? Email Michael.
Featured Guest
Name: Malorie Peacock
About: A name partner at Cowen Rodriguez Peacock, Malorie represents clients who have been injured by the negligence of others. Her expe...
172 - Brian Glass â Leveraging Accountability, Delegation, and Data to Steer a Firm

Brian Glass started his career at a firm that competed with his fatherâs, Ben Glass Law. Today, heâs a partner at the firm, where he and his father have carved out their own practices and roles.
Brian visits with host Michael Cowen to share insights about what heâs learned as the firmâs integrator who manages budget, salaries, bonuses, marketing, or anything in the âintegrator box.â Tune in for his strategies on building client trust, balancing multiple responsibilities, and assigning accountability.
Michael and Malorie welcome listener questions for a new âAsk Michael and Malorie An...
171 - Jason Hennessey â You Canât Control Googleâs Algorithm; You Can Master Digital Marketing

When it came time to name his book, Jason Hennessey left nothing to chance. Anyone searching for âlaw firm SEOâ would find his agency, videos, and his book: âLaw Firm SEO.â âI'm dominating that keyword, and it's all by design.â
With host Michael Cowen, Jason defines words in the digital marketing dictionary like âSEOâ and âLSAs.â He pulls back the curtain on the Google algorithm. And he describes strategies to get the phone to ring. His main advice for lawyers is to take action. As an example, he congratulates Michael for his idea to send videos to potential referrals...
170 - Dirk Derrick â Leveraging the Transformative Power of Focus Groups

South Carolina PI attorney Dirk Derrick joins host Michael Cowen for an in-depth discussion about Dirkâs innovative approach to focus groups. By prioritizing truth-seeking and empowering clients through data-driven decisions, Dirkâs team uses focus groups to maximize case values. Plaintiffsâ attorneys who want to learn more are invited to request access to his podcast, âThe Appraisers,â where other plaintiffsâ attorneys share case studies from their focus groups.
Featured Guest
Name: Dirk Derrick
About: Dirkâs firm, Derrick Law Firm Injury Lawyers, has nearly 30 attorneys practicing in 10 locations across South Carolina. He has obtained i...
169 - Sonia Rodriguez â Life Happens; Past Injuries Arenât Fatal to PI Clientsâ Claims

Rarely does a personal injury client walk in the door with a clean medical history. Aches, pains, complaints, chiropractic visits â âitâs just the reality of life,â says Sonia Rodriguez, host Michael Cowenâs colleague at Cowen Rodriguez Peacock.
In this conversation, Sonia and Michael discuss the art of strategically managing personal injury cases that involve preexisting conditions and subsequent incidents. Tune in for their insights about leveraging prior medical history, collateral witnesses, and creative tactics to secure successful outcomes.
Featured Guest
Name: Sonia Rodriguez
About: Sonia Rodriguez, a native of San Antoni...
168 - Mike Alder â Why Lawyers Need Discipline, Consistency, and a Spiked Meditation Mat

Three decades as a trial lawyer; 30 trials; more than $3 billion in verdicts and settlements; thriving practices: Ask Mike Alder how he does it, and his answer is simple.Â
âTake a cold shower and make your bed.â
Make your bed, every day, because it teaches the discipline a trial lawyer needs. Prefer a warm shower? Take a cold one anyway, because stepping outside your comfort zone prepares a trial lawyer for dealing with stressful situations.
In this wide-ranging conversation with host Michael Cowen, Mike reflects on the personal habits (meditating on a spiked mat) and p...
167 - Malorie Peacock â The Law Firm Managerâs Guide to Ditching Drama, Accentuating Accountability

âIf youâre a lawyer listening to this podcast and you manage anybody,â says Malorie Peacock, âI think you can find some value in some of the stuff that weâre going to talk about.â
What Malorie and host Michael Cowen talk about is effective law firm leadership, and the âstuffâ includes strategies for building a culture of accountability without workplace drama. Borrowing insights from Cy Wakemanâs revolutionary books, they share personal and professional experiences that theyâve applied as leaders.
Featured Guest
Name: Malorie Peacock
About: A name partner at Cowen Rodriguez P...
166 - Darryl Isaacs - In a World with Millions of Lawyers, You Can Stand Out

Host Michael Cowen chats with Darryl Isaacs of Isaacs & Isaacs Personal Injury Lawyers about personal branding and marketing. Darryl shares his journey from starting his practice in Kentucky to becoming a widely recognized figure in personal injury law across several states, with his own trademarked nickname: âThe Hammer.â From television advertisements to digital platforms, Darryl discusses his experience with a range of marketing tools. Ultimately, though, he suggests that any marketing must be aligned with a lawyerâs authentic, unique voice.
Want to learn more from Darryl? Call his cell.Â
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165 - Drew Gilliland and Teana Overton â Little Pinky, Big Verdict: $1.8 Million

âI think itâs more than just the pinky,â Teana Overton says of her clientâs injury from a trip-and-fall. In fact, the pinky bone shattered, requiring surgery and limiting the clientâs way of life.
Teana and Drew Gilliland join host Michael Cowen to discuss how they won $1.8 million for the plaintiff. Their behind-the-scenes description of the case highlights how they developed a strong relationship with the client and how they welcomed witness testimony that made her relatable to the jury. They also recall a âscaryâ moment when the defense motioned for a mistrial. Tune in to learn the t...
164 - Abbey Vela - Strategies for Building and Maintaining an Attorney Referral-Based Practice

Host Michael Cowen invites Business Development Manager Abbey Vela to discuss how Cowen Rodriguez Peacock attracts and then keeps referral partners over the long haul. Abbeyâs role at the firm is to connect and communicate with referrals; as she explains, itâs a position that âa lot of law firms tend to lack.â Michael observes that any firm interested in building a referral-based practice must be prepared to offer value. âIt can't just be, âCome listen to how, what a badass I am and why you should give me your cases.â No one wants to hear that.â
Finally, Micha...
163 - Joe Fried â $16.2 Million Verdict in Pioneering Case against Amazon

Renowned trucking accident lawyer Joe Fried tried the second case in the nation and the first in Georgia to test Amazonâs claims that it has no responsibility for its driversâ conduct.
The result was a $16.2 million verdict against Amazon for pain and suffering endured by his clientâs son, an 8-year-old boy who was run over by a delivery van. As Joe explains to host Michael Cowen, the groundbreaking case offers unique teaching opportunities for plaintiffsâ lawyers. Among the successful strategies: his teamâs focus on exposing how the driver was himself a victim of Amazon, which plac...
162 - Jessica Brylo â Harnessing the Power of Big Data and Focus Groups

Think of focus groups as macro â exposing holes in the case and main issues from the jurorsâ perspectives. Think of big data as micro â revealing the win rate, the ask, the possible outcome in terms of money.
In her second visit to Trial Lawyer Nation, Jessica Brylo, owner and lead litigation consultant at Trial Dynamics, outlines the utility of both tools. The conversation with host Michael Cowen dovetails with Jessicaâs first appearance on the show, when she shared her insights about how jurors make decisions and how to frame cases persuasively. In this visit, Jessica discusses when and...
161 - Dan Ambroseâs Trial Lawyers University â Big Names, Boot Camps, Case Breakdowns

From October 16 to 19, Caesars Palace will be the site of Trial Lawyers University, an in-depth educational opportunity for lawyers who want to sharpen their skills, network, and perhaps â if theyâre brave â belt out tunes at a karaoke bar.
Trial Lawyers University founder Dan Ambrose offers a preview of whatâs in store at TLU Vegas during this conversation with host Michael Cowen. He explains how he has designed the conference so that participants have training choices that suit their knowledge gaps and goals. âI try to put my heart and soul into it,â Dan says of the rigorous...
160 - Bruce Inosencio â The Four Words that Drove His Record-Setting Verdict

âStatistics suck. Stories stick.â
For Bruce Inosencio, this motto proved a north star guiding his case against a Michigan nursing home. With host Michael Cowen, Bruce acknowledges the challenge he faced: How to prove that the facility owed damages when the patient was an elderly, sick woman?Â
To do so, he and his legal team connected with the jurors so theyâd be invested in the story of the 87-year-old womanâs life. He combatted the defense argument that an elderly womanâs life was somehow less valuable. The statistics of her experience at the facility ma...
159 - Sean Claggett â The Billion Dollar Ask That Birthed JuryBall

Sean Claggett is on a mission to change the way trial lawyers use data so they donât leave billions on the table.
The author of JuryBall: The Big Data Revolution is Here, Sean, joins Michael Cowen to discuss how using focus groups and big data have helped him learn from early losses and helped his clients get what they deserve. âAsking for too much money is dangerous, but if you donât ask for enough money, you lose too,â says Sean. Tune in as Sean shares what big data has taught plaintiffsâ lawyers and hear about two real-w...
158 - Malorie Peacock â A Case is About the Jurors: Winning a Tough Wrongful Death Case

In trial, you have to be ready and just accept the fact that things are never going to be perfect. Theyâre never going to go the way you planned it.Â
In this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, Michael Cowen and Malorie Peacock share their strategies (as well as the hiccups they overcame) from their recent $4M verdict on a trucking wrongful death case, where only 10% of the fault was put on their client for rear-ending a tractor trailer. They detail how they âarmed their expertsâ so that the jury wasnât skeptical of expert testimony in this expe...
157 - Przemek LubeckiâFocus on Process and Human Connection for Trial Success

Many people hate losing. Trial lawyers are no different. But can ignoring the thought of winning or losing a trial actually increase your chances of victory?
In this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, Michael Cowen hosts attorney Przemek Lubecki of New Orleans law firm Morris Bart. Michael and Przemek cover many topics, from embracing the performative aspect of trial, making connections with jurors, and how focusing on the process instead of the outcome can lead to wins at trial. Przemek also shares a story about one of his proudest verdicts, the CEVA case.
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156 - Sonia Rodriguez â Incredible Settlements Come From Being Ready for Trial

Like crashes, luck is predictable. If you want to get âluckyâ and get multimillion-dollar settlements regularly, then you have to put in the time and do the work. And it also helps to have the right mindset and strategy for your case.
In this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, host Michael Cowen is joined by his partner Sonia Rodriguez. Tune in as Sonia explains the shift in mindset that led to her getting three multimillion-dollar settlements in the past six months on tractor trailer cases. Sonia and Michael also discuss the three things you need to get a big...
155 - Big Rig Bootcamp â Your Gateway to Mastering Trucking Litigation

For trial lawyers seeking to level up in their trucking law practice, Cowenâs Big Rig Bootcamp is an unmissable opportunity.
In this bonus episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, host Michael Cowan is joined by Isabella Santellan, marketing director at Cowen Rodriguez Peacock to preview Big Rig Bootcamp. At Big Rig Bootcamp, youâll take a deep dive into the trucking industryâs intricacies, including how companies use telematics (Michaelâs firm bought a telematics system and currently has an expert on the road using it now!). Â
The seminar will also show Michaelâs strategies for how to p...
154 - Lara BrockâWhether in Trial or Arbitration, Compete to Win

âIn order to be a good trial lawyer, you have to have that innate sense of âletâs go, Iâm ready to go.ââ
In this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, host Michael Cowen talks to seasoned trial lawyer Lara Brock of Espinoza & Brock, PLLC about her sports-oriented, competitive mindset that has influenced both how she practices law and serves as a leader within her law firm.Â
Tune in as Michael and Lara talk about why it's important to shift from the âfamilyâ mindset to the âteamâ mindset within your law firm, how to find your own voice as a t...
153 - Sach OliverâDepositions Are Trial

The road to success is paved with failure, but if a trial lawyer can learn from those failures, they will ultimately become a more effective advocate.
In this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, host Michael Cowen sits down with trial lawyer Sach Oliver of Oliver Law Firm to discuss how lawyers can continually hone their skills by learning from their own failures, learning from other attorneys, and treating depositions as trial.
Sach also discusses his forthcoming book, Depositions are Trial, which will be released June 24, 2024 (Pre-orders May 1, 2024) and includes philosophies, strategies, methods, and techniques for...
152 - Odalys Lopez â How to Develop Attorney Skills and Mindset in Your Law Firm

Once you start getting big results, then people give you more opportunities to do bigger cases. But as a new lawyer, how do you begin getting big results?
In this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, host Michael Cowen welcomes Odalys Lopez, an up-and-coming lawyer at Cowen Rodriguez Peacock, who shares insights on being a new lawyer.Â
Tune in as Michael and Odalys discuss the firmâs strategies to develop lawyers, including doing âworkdaysâ on cases, attorney development meetings, and 3pm trainings on Fridays. The conversation also covers how to alleviate clientsâ nerves before defending depositions, why you s...
151 - Alex Begum - $2.1 Million Verdict in a Tough Case

Build âtop mind awarenessâ for your law firm to get the PI cases you actually want. Then focus on whatâs-in-it-for-the-jury to win them.Â
In this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, host Michael Cowen welcomes Alex Begum, the founding shareholder of Begum Law Group Injury Lawyers. Alex shares his journey towards mastering the business side of law, emphasizing the importance of financial acumen and creating a strong brand presence for law firm success.Â
He also recounts the challenges behind a personal injury case he tried and the strategies he used to win a $2.17M judgment, highligh...
150 - Malorie Peacock - How to Move the Ball Forward and Not Just Do Busy Work

Just focus on your biggest PI cases. Afterall, thatâs where you make the most money and the biggest difference, so it should be easy. Right? Wrong. Before you know it, youâve spent the majority of your time working on cases where youâre just trying to get your expenses back, and not working enough on your big cases. So how do you make sure you actually focus your attention on where it is needed the most?
In this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, Michael Cowen and Malorie Peacock discuss strategies theyâve used to keep their fo...
149 - Robert Ingalls - The Power of a Podcast: Build Trust with Prospects Before They Pick Up the Phone

Can lawyers really get cases from their podcasts? Robert Ingalls built a business banking on just that. In this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, host Michael Cowen welcomes LawPods CEO and Founder (and recovering lawyer) Robert Ingalls to discuss how lawyers are using podcasts to fuel their businesses and personal brands.
Podcasts have the ability to create an immediate connection between the hosts and their audiences. Informal conversations on a podcast give lawyers a unique opportunity to convey emotion and build rapport with their listeners, an area where corporate videos and other promotional materials often fall short.<...
148 - Gyi Tsakalakis - How to Promote Your Law Firm With Digital Legal Marketing Expert Gyi Tsakalakis

Marketing a law practice is different from other types of businesses, due to things such as unique ethical considerations and the referral aspect.
On this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, Michael Cowen is joined by Gyi Tsakalakis, President and Co-Founder of AttorneySync, a digital legal marketing agency. A former trial lawyer from Southeast Michigan, Gyi is also the co-host of the Lunch Hour Legal Marketing podcast.  Â
Tune in to hear Gyiâs practical tips on how you can more effectively market and promote your law firm, both online and through more traditional channels, including if youâr...
147 - Robert Disque â Are You a Trial Lawyer or Just a Litigator?

Empathy is an emotion not commonly associated with lawyers. But harnessing it can provide valuable insight.
On this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, Michael Cowen is joined by colleague Robert Disque who focuses his practice on 18-wheeler and commercial vehicle cases.Â
Tune in to hear Michael and Robert discuss Robertâs path to law, the difference between a litigator and a trial lawyer, and how to talk to clients about bad cases. Robert also shares how empathy led him from the defense side to the plaintiffâs side, and how empathy has helped him find commo...
146 - Anthony Vessel on Leadership, Empathy, and Professional Development

Lawyers arenât necessarily great business people, or even good law office managers for that matter. Thatâs because running a business requires a different type of skill set than the practice of law. However, if you have a firm that is run well, you will have more time to be a good lawyer.
On this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, Michael Cowen is joined by Anthony Vessel, a lawyer from Houston, Texas, and a partner at Marc Whitehead & Associates, to talk about how to manage a law firm.
Tune in to hear Michael and Anth...
145 - Natalie Arledge - Goal-Setting for Success: Michael and Natalie's Roadmap for 2024

Itâs that time of year again. What do we want 2024 (and beyond) to look like and how are we going to make it happen? At Cowen | Rodriguez | Peacock, it all starts with goals.
But, as weâve all learned by now, all goals are not created equal. How do you identify your goals? Are they long-term or short-term and how do they align with your existing circumstances? Are they specific or general? How do you measure your progress?
On this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, Michael Cowen is joined by partner Natalie Arledge to disc...
144 - Eric Oliver - Beyond the Facts: Trial Consultant Eric Oliver on How to Tell Your Clientâs Story

Jury trials can be notoriously unpredictable, even when the facts are in your favor. To be successful at trial, attorneys need to do more than just rehearse their opening and closing statements. They also need to know how to influence the jury.
On this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, Michael Cowen is joined by nationally recognized trial consultant and the author of several trial guides, Eric Oliver. Applying over 40 years of experience and his background in marketing and persuasion, Eric shares strategies and techniques that trial lawyers can use, such as storytelling, reverse sequencing, and the use...
143 - Malorie Peacock - Employees Canât Read Minds: Michael and Malorie on Law Firm Training

Lawyers constantly receive training in the form of CLE. However, training staff members in the day-to-day running of a law office is no less important to a successful practice. Nobody comes into a law firm knowing everything. Ongoing reminders and documented procedures are needed for employees to learn new things, retain information, and correct mistakes.Â
On this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, host Michael Cowen speaks with his fellow partner and trial attorney Malorie Peacock about how, why, and when to train employees at every level of the firm, from clerks and receptionists to paralegals and litigators. Â
<...142 - Ed Ciarimboli - Visuals, Sequencing, and Zoom: Ed Ciarimboli on Trying Cases Post-COVID

Trying cases is an evolving process. And if youâve been doing the same thing for 25 years, youâve probably been doing something wrong for the past 24 years. From shorter jury attention spans, to Zooming in experts, to condensing information, and incorporating more visuals, courtroom trial techniques and jury expectations have changed significantly following COVID.Â
On this episode of Trial Lawyer Nation, host Michael Cowen speaks with Ed Ciarimboli, a trial lawyer out of Pennsylvania whoâs tried close to 100 cases since the beginning of his career.Â
Tune in to hear Ed share how his approach...