Perennial AF
The Savanna Institute's podcast and blog about perennial agroforestry (AF) features interviews, questions from listeners, inside jokes, and more. Subscribe to Perennial AF to hear real AF conversations with some of the Midwest's top agroforesters and perennial farmers! More at https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialAF
Hoch Orchard Part 1: Southeast Minnesota (2018 Farm Tour)

Hear an audio tour of Hoch Orchard and Gardens in southeastern Minnesota in this archival recording from 2018. Harry and Jackie Hoch describe their systems for organic apple and cider production, orchard management with multispecies grazing, integrated pest management, and more. More info at https://www.savannainstitute.org/minnesota/hoch-orchard/
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“There Are No Slackers In This Field” - Plant Breeding Farm Tour with Adam D’Angelo

Adam D’Angelo, Breeding Operations Manager for the Savanna Institute Tree Crop Improvement Program, leads a tour of a research farm at the Savanna Institute’s Spring Green Campus in Spring Green, Wisconsin. Learn about plant breeding efforts with hybrid hazelnuts, American persimmon, black currants, elderberry, and more. Show notes at www.SavannaInstitute.org/PerennialAF
Is It Forest Or Is It Pasture? Silvopasture Q&A with Brett Chedzoy and Cherrie Nolden

Brett Chedzoy and Cherrie Nolden have decades of experience managing silvopasture on farms in New York, Argentina, and Wisconsin. In this recorded session from PFG 2024, Brett and Cherrie describe their experiences raising cattle, goats, and other species in silvopasture systems, share lessons they’ve learned, and answer questions from the audience. Show notes at www.SavannaInstitute.org/PerennialAF
PFG Archives: Grafting with Lupe Rios, Silvopasture with Eliza Greenman, and Farm Loans with Paul Dietmann

Lupe Rios talks about grafting, Eliza Greenman talks about silvopasture and fruit exploring, and Paul Dietmann talks about farm loans and financing in these interviews from the 2019 Perennial Farm Gathering. Show notes at www.SavannaInstitute.org/PerennialAF
Sembrando Vida, A Flagship Agroforestry Program in Mexico - with Pablo Gonzalez Moctezuma and Sophia Winkler-Schor

In 2018, the Mexican government launched a national program called Sembrando Vida, or “sowing life”, with the goal of reducing poverty and reforesting rural areas with agroforestry. Since the program’s launch, it has paid out billions of dollars and impacted over a million acres, and is now expanding to other central American countries. In this episode, researchers Pablo Gonzalez Moctezuma and Sophia Winkler-Schor describe the details of this ambitious program, and discuss what we can learn from the outcomes of the program so far. Show notes at www.SavannaInstitute.org/PerennialAF
Perennial Beverage Workshop: Maple Syrup Sparkling Water, Acorn Kombucha, Shrub-Grown Shrubs, and More

Perennial beverage makers discuss the processing, marketing, and development of syrups, sparkling waters, salves, cordials, shrubs, beers, wines, and other beverages made with perennial ingredients in this recorded workshop from the 2024 Perennial Farm Gathering. Show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF
“This Felt Really Hard” - Obstacles to Perennial Adoption for Non-Operating Landowners

Host Jacob Grace talks with his friend Alex about her family’s experiences as non-operating landowners trying to establish perennial management on their historic Wisconsin farm, and the hurdles and roadblocks they have encountered along the way. Show notes at www.SavannaInstitute.org/PerennialAF
Hedgelaying in the UK with Martin Turner, George Pidgeon, and Steven McCulloch

This January, Savanna Institute staff member MJ Oviatt visited the UK to study hedgelaying with members of the Blackdown Hills Hedge Association. In this episode, we hear MJ’s recorded conversations with hedgelayers Martin Turner, George Pidgeon, and Steven McCulloch. Show notes at savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF/
Culinary Creativity with Beth Dooley, Francesca Hong, and Odessa Piper

Chefs and perennial food advocates Beth Dooley, Francesca Hong, and Odessa Piper discuss cooking and baking with perennial ingredients, favorite recipes, and suggestions for being engaged and “curious eaters” in this recorded session from the 2024 Perennial Farm Gathering. Show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF
"In Some Cases It's Actually Not That Hard" - Silvopasture Farm Tour with Erik Hagan

Erik Hagan, farm director of the Spring Green Campus, leads a farm tour of silvopasture systems in this recording from a field day in August 2024. Show notes at SavannaInstitute.org/PerennialAF
The Pros and Cons of Windbreaks and Riparian Buffers - Eliza Greenman and Nate Lawrence

Tree crop researchers Eliza Greenman and Nate Lawrence discuss the pros, cons, and tradeoffs of windbreak and riparian buffer management for ecosystem services and profitability in this recording from the 2024 Perennial Farm Gathering. Show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF
Visualizing Your Future Farm - A Guided Meditation with Barbara Decré

Barbara Decré, assistant director of our Agroforestry Adoption program, leads a guided meditation to help you visualize a perennial farming project five, fifteen and thirty years from now. What is your "why", and how does it help shape your vision? Show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF
The R(evolution) of Indigenous Foodways with Chef Sean Sherman - PFG 2024

Chef Sean Sherman delivers the keynote address at the 2024 Perennial Farm Gathering in October 2024. Show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF
Why Trees Die (and what we can do to help them!) with Steve Gabriel - PFG 2024

Agroforester Steve Gabriel leads the audience in a conversation about why agroforestry plantings fail and what we can do to help projects succeed in this recorded session at the 2024 Perennial Farm Gathering.
Link to Steve’s resources: https://www.farmingwithtrees.org/projects/whytreesdie
Show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAFÂ
Ag Policy and the Farm Bill with Chuck Anderas and Margaret Krome

Chuck Anderas and Margaret Krome from the Michael Fields Agricultural Institute's policy team discuss the need for a new Farm Bill, the importance of ag policy in expanding perennial agriculture, and what types of engagement can have the greatest impact on policymakers.
“We’re In the Belly of the Beast” - Illinois Agroforestry Farm Tour with Kaitie Adams

A tour of 4H Memorial Demonstration Farm at Allerton Park in central Illinois with Demonstration Farms Director Kaitie Adams and Savanna Institute staff. This farm features windbreaks and alley cropping with timber species planted into a row crop field, and relies on a number of innovative partnerships with landowners and farmer collaborators. You can see a video tour of the farm at https://youtu.be/9nEAOzHYB6Q?si=rJNAFCUh52rkLfc5
Spring Green Campus Tour with Farm Director Erik Hagan

This episode takes you on an audio tour of the Savanna Institute's North Farm, part of our Spring Green Campus in southern Wisconsin. Hear farm director Erik Hagan talk about chestnuts, hazelnuts, silvopasture with sheep, and more! Show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF
"Forest Farming Is A Gateway" with Dr. Eric Burkhart

A recording of Dr. Eric Burkhart's forest farming workshop at the Savanna Institute's Spring Green Campus. Learn more about forest stewardship and non-timber forest products like ginseng, wild edibles, and more! Show notes at savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF
Northeast Agroforestry Road Trip Part II: Steve Gabriel, Eric Toensmeier, and Akiva Silver

The road trip continues! We hear from agroforesters and authors Steve Gabriel, Eric Toensmeier, and Akiva Silver on a road trip to the northeast. Show notes at savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF
Northeast Agroforestry Road Trip Part I: Sven Pihl, Seva Water, and Joe Orefice

Road trip! We hear from agroforesters Sven Pihl, Seva Water, and Joe Orefice on a road trip to the northeast. Show notes at savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF.
Canopy Compass: A New Tree Crop Suitability Mapping Tool - with Monika Shea and Kevin Wolz

Monika Shea and Kevin Wolz, two of the researchers behind Canopy Compass, describe the history and the potential of this new web-based tree crop suitability mapping tool. You can access Canopy Compass at www.canopycompass.com
Persimmon Folklore, Fruit Exploring, and Genetics - with Eliza Greenman

Savanna Institute researcher Eliza Greenman describes her search for the best-tasting American persimmon cultivars, which involves box turtles, pudding competitions, indigenous plant breeding, extinct megafauna, missing research scientists, and more. Recorded at the 2023 Perennial Farm Gathering. Show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF
"We Can't Call Them Superfruit" - Barriers to Berry Markets with Bill Davison & PJ Connolly

Savanna Institute staff members Bill Davison and PJ Connolly describe their work to expand regional markets for four nutritionally-dense perennial berries: black currant, elderberry, aronia, and honeyberry. Show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF
Nightfall Farm, Riveredge Nature Center, Chestnut Research, and More

A compilation of short interviews from our recent videos, featuring Nightfall Farm, Riveredge Nature Center, Scott Brainard & Eliza Greenman, Grassland 2.0 and Canopy Farm Management. Videos by Man Alone Media and Windborne Media. Videos and show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf
“You Can’t Believe It Grows Here” - Project Pawpaw with Adam D’Angelo

Adam D’Angelo, founder of Project Pawpaw, answers commonly asked questions about this elusive and beloved North American fruit.
Project Pawpaw: https://www.projectpawpaw.com
Show notes: https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf/
A Thorny Topic: Black Locust and Honey Locust for Agroforestry

A lot of people hate black locust and honey locust trees, but some people think they hold great potential for agroforestry. Greg Judy, Austin Unruh, Steve Gabriel, Brett Chedzoy, Eliza Greenman, and others share their perspective in this episode.
Show notes:Â https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf/
“Spreadsheets on the Radio” - Farm Viability and the Fruit & Nut Compass with John Hendrickson

Spreadsheet wizard John Hendrickson helps host Jacob Grace get started with the Fruit and Nut Compass, a free spreadsheet tool for producers to track the financial viability of their enterprises. Show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF Free compass tools at https://cias.wisc.edu/our-work/farming-systems/farm-viability/
Getting Started with Forest Farming - Ingrid Daudert, Karam Sheban, and Robin Suggs

This episode features portions of the PFG 2023 panel discussion "Everything You Wanted to Know About Forest Farming (But Didn't Know to Ask)", featuring Ingrid Daudert from Misty Dawn Farm in Wisconsin, Karam Sheban from the Northeast Forest Farmers Coalition, and Robin Suggs from Appalachian Sustainable Development. Show notes and links at www.savannainstitute.org/perennialafÂ
Agroforestry for Climate Change Mitigation and Adaptation - with Nate Lawrence and Monika Shea

Savanna Institute research scientists Nate Lawrence and Monika Shea dig into the details of agroforestry for climate change mitigation (through reduced inputs and carbon sequestration) and climate adaptation (through better mapping and management, among other things). Show notes and links at www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF
“Joy Is What Emerges From Connection” - Q&A with Author Ross Gay

Author and poet Ross Gay speaks with silvopasture farmer Liz Brownlee in a recorded keynote session from the 2023 Perennial Farm Gathering. Show notes at https://www.savannainstitute.org/PerennialAF/
“Grass Holds the World Together” - A Beginning Farmer Interviews Greg Judy

This episode features a recorded phone interview between Missouri silvopasture farmer and author Greg Judy and Iowa State University student Jesse Matt, recorded in 2018 as part of a Savanna Institute outreach project. Show notes: www.savannainstitute.org/perennialafÂ
Q&A With "Braiding Sweetgrass" Author Dr. Robin Wall Kimmerer - PFG 2023

Dr. Robin Wall Kimmerer, ecologist and author of "Braiding Sweetgrass" and "Gathering Moss", answers questions from the audience of our 2023 Perennial Farm Gathering. Moderated by author and Leopold scholar Curt Meine.Â
"You Should Consider Maple Syrup Production" - with Tony Johnson

Wisconsin Extension forestry specialist Tony Johnson discusses how maple syrup production can open doors for other agroforestry enterprises, and how Wisconsin woodland owners can get started. Plus, Scott Brainard and Eliza Greenman describe the benefits of persimmons as an agroforestry crop.Â
Show notes at www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf
Choosing the Right Livestock with Cherrie Nolden

Goats, sheep, cattle, hogs, horses, and fowl all have different diets, behavior, and impacts on the land. Choosing the right type of livestock for you and your farm is key to success. Wisconsin farmer and researcher Cherrie Nolden discusses the strenghts, weaknesses, and needs of different types of livestock in this recording from the 2022 Perennial Farm Gathering.Â
Show notes: www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf
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"What Would It Look Like?" - Introduction to Agroforestry with the Field Notes Podcast

Host Jacob Grace and Eric Wolske of Canopy Farm Management join Will Fulwider and Michael Geissinger, hosts of the Field Notes podcast from the University of Wisconsin-Madison Division of Extension, to answer questions that Wisconsin crop farmers might have about agroforestry.Â
Show notes at: https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf
Field Notes podcast: https://cropsandsoils.extension.wisc.edu/field-notes-podcast/Â
"My Dad and I Are Both Stubborn..." Generational Dynamics with Jacob Marty

Jacob Marty reflects on how his relationship with his father has shaped the dynamics on their sixth generation family farm in southern Wisconsin in this recording from the 2017 Perennial Farm Gathering.Â
Show notes at https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennial-af-generational-dynamics-with-jacob-marty/
Tree Crop Improvement Research with Scott Brainard

Scott Brainard, a plant breeding specialist working for the Savanna Institute, gives an overview of the institute's goals and strategies for breeding more productive and resilient tree crop varieties.Â
Show notes at https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf/
“Embrace the Chaos” - Dayna Burtness, Beth Dooley, Eliza Greenman, and Anna Lappé

In this recording from our 2021 Perennial Farm Gathering, farmer Dayna Burtness moderates an online panel conversation with cookbook author Beth Dooley, orchardist and historical horticulturist Eliza Greenman, and author and food justice advocate Anna LappĂ©.Â
Hear more at https://www.youtube.com/@SavannaInstitute
“The Benefits of Silvopasture Are Endless” - Farm Tour with Erik Hagan and Michael Dolan

A recording of our July 27th, 2023 pasture walk at the Spring Green Campus with farm director Erik Hagan and farmer Michael Dolan. Erik and Michael share lessons learned and compare "silvopasture by addition" and "silvopasture by subtraction".
Show notes at https://www.savannainstitute.org/perennialaf/
Building an Agroforestry Business with Austin Unruh

Austin Unruh, owner of Trees for Graziers and author of "The Grazier’s Guide to Trees", tells the story of how he started his agroforestry business in southeastern Pennsylvania and shares the advice he wished he had gotten as a beginning agroforestry entrepreneur in this recording from our 2022 Perennial Farm Gathering.Â
You can learn more about Austin and his work at https://treesforgraziers.com/