Advocates The Podcast
With the likes of Tommy Thomas, Alan Dershowitz and a host of other big names, Advocates The Podcast features some of the top legal minds in the world.
1988: Reunion of the Advocates (Part 2)

Part II of 1988: Reunion of the Advocates explores the critical days following the Supreme Court’s order of 2 July 1988.
In this episode, the lawyers who were directly involved share their experiences of the aftermath — including the suspension of five Supreme Court judges, the legal consequences, and the eventual disbanding of the team that defended Tun Salleh Abas. Their reflections offer a candid and thoughtful perspective on the strain placed on the legal system — and on those who sought to uphold its integrity.
🎧 Featuring: Tan Sri Dato’ Cecil Abraham, Dato’ Loh Siew Cheang, Tan Sri Ariff Yusof, Wilfre...
1988: Reunion of the Advocates (Part I)

A notable chapter in Malaysian legal history, and one of the most meaningful episodes we’ve recorded.
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 1988: Reunion of the Advocates (Part I) brings together the lawyers who represented Tun Salleh Abas during the constitutional crisis that tested the judiciary. In this special episode, they revisit the challenges, collaboration, and decisions that marked that period – offering reflections that continue to resonate nearly four decades later.
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 This is more than a recounting of legal proceedings; it is a reflection on principle, professionalism, and the often-unseen weight of standing firm in difficult times.
 🎙️ Featuring: Tan Sri Tommy...
The Rt Hon. the Baroness Hale of Richmond DBE

Brenda Hale, Rt Hon the Baroness Hale of Richmond DBE, is a highly accomplished legal figure with a remarkable career in academia, law practice, and judiciary. Baroness Hale made history in 1984 as the first woman and youngest person appointed to the Law Commission, where she spearheaded crucial reforms in family and mental disability law. Her judicial journey saw her ascend as a part-time judge, eventually becoming a QC in 1989 and a full-time judge in the Family Division of the High Court of England and Wales in 1994. Lady Hale achieved numerous groundbreaking milestones, becoming the first and only woman...
Datuk Darryl S.C Goon

Datuk Darryl Goon is a retired Court of Appeal Judge. He is a consultant at the firm of Raja Darryl & Loh. Prior to joining the bench, he was heading the dispute resolution practice at Raja Darryl & Loh. At the bar he was widely regarded as one of the foremost litigators in Malaysia. 35 years of experience is a lot to squeeze in one episode, but we must try! Catch Gopal, Razlan and Datuk Darryl in this episode of Advocates the Podcast!
Clive Grossman KC, SC

In this episode, we sit down with Clive Grossman KC, SC, a highly accomplished lawyer with extensive experience in criminal litigation, commercial and white-collar crime, money-laundering, corruption, and human rights issues. Clive graduated from the University of Cape Town and was called to the Rhodesian Bar in 1967, later becoming Deputy Director of Public Prosecution in Hong Kong before leaving the public sector in 1994. He has been involved in many high-profile cases and has advised several governments on international criminal practice. In addition to his legal expertise, Clive has also served as Vice Chairman of the Hong Kong...
Leslie Thomas KC

Professor Leslie Thomas KC is a highly acclaimed human rights and civil liberties barrister in the UK, with expertise in claims against the police and other public authorities, as well as claims against corporate bodies. He has represented many bereaved families in inquests and public inquiries where there has been abuse of state or corporate power. Professor Thomas has won numerous awards for his work, including Legal Aid Barrister of the Year in 2012 and 2016, and Outstanding Contribution to D&I in the UK Chambers Bar Awards in 2020. He was appointed Gresham Professor of Law in 2020, and is also...
Robert Richter KC

Robert Richter KC is an Australian Barrister based in Melbourne who has handled a wide array of high profile cases some of which involved Defendants unpopular in the public opinion. He is the former chairman of the Criminal Bar Association, former President of Victorian Council for Civil Liberties, former part-time Law Reform Commissioner for Victoria and former member of Bar Council. Professor Richter was admitted to practice as Barrister and Solicitor of the Supreme Court of Victoria in 1970 and appointed Queen's Counsel in 1985. He has a full time practice, specialising in criminal law and associated fields and is...
Dato V. Sithambaram

We are always privileged here at Advocates the Podcast to be able to speak to top advocates with fascinating stories from their time at the bar. Dato Sitham is no exception. His is a name many in Malaysia would be familiar with having acted as counsel in numerous cases of national interest. He is well sought after as a criminal and civil trial lawyer and his skillset as an advocate is highly rated. Dato Sitham is the past Chairman of the Penang Bar Committee and a past member of the Malaysian Bar Council. Currently, he is the Co-Chairman...
Steven Thompson KC

Steven Thompson KC, who took silk in 2005, has a commercial chancery practice in the UK with a particular emphasis on civil fraud actions, company/joint venture disputes, insolvency issues and aviation disputes. He regularly appears in all tiers of Courts in the Cayman Islands and the British Virgin Islands having been called to the Bar of the Supreme Court of the Eastern Caribbean. Steven is regularly instructed on international arbitrations from London to Dubai and is one of a very few English barristers who has conducted a full trial in the Court of First Instance in Dubai. Steven...
Geoff Budlender SC

Geoff Budlender SC is a human rights advocate, with clients ranging from the government to social justice organizations. In 1979, he co-founded the Legal Resources Centre, a public interest and human rights legal service for marginalized populations in South Africa. During his time there, he undertook cases involving the forced removal of communities, freedom of movement, detention without trial, citizenship, labour rights and consumer abuse. From 1996-2000, he was director general of the Department of Land Affairs in the administration of President Nelson Mandela. Over the course of a 45-year career in the law, Mr Budlender’s legal work has...
Datuk Seri Gopal Sri Ram

In this special episode of Advocates the Podcast, we speak to the late Datuk Seri Gopal Sri Ram, who passed away in January 2023. Datuk Seri Gopal Sri Ram wore many hats in his illustrious career, a teacher, an advocate, a Federal Court Judge and a prosecutor. He holds the distinction of being the first member of the bar to be directly elevated to the Court of Appeal bench. He will be remembered for his excellent advocacy and landmark judgments. Our hosts Razlan and Michelle got a unique opportunity to speak to him about his life and the law...
Toby Landau KC

Toby Landau KC is an exceptional barrister and advocate who is also respected universally for his arbitration skills. He is frequently called on for high-value and complex cases involving commercial entities and sovereign states. He has argued hundreds of major international commercial, investor-State and inter-state arbitrations, as well as ground-breaking cases in the highest courts of England, Singapore, Hong Kong, Pakistan and the Caribbean. Toby Landau KC is above all, a gentleman whose story will be a meaningful listen for anyone tuning in. Join our hosts Gopal and Razlan as they speak to Toby Landau KC.
<...Lord Pannick KC

Few advocates can say that their advocacy kept the United Kingdom in the European Union, albeit momentarily. In this episode we speak to someone who did just that; Lord Pannick KC, who led the Supreme Court Article 50 case against the government of the UK and argued against the prorogation of the parliament in the Supreme Court. Lord Pannick KC, who took silk in 1992, is one of the UK’s most highly regarded advocates. He has appeared in 100 cases in the Appellate Committee of the House of Lords (before it was replaced by the Supreme Court), more than 25 cases in...
Francis Xavier SC

Interested in going on a 3 month mountain climbing expedition, despite a busy schedule as a lawyer? Seremban-born, Francis Xavier SC gives you a step by step guide. We trek through Francis' early years handling criminal matters, maintaining a busy commerical practice in one of Singapore's largest law firms and the inspiration behind his rock band. Francis is ranked among Asia's Top 15 Litigators by Asian Legal Business in 2021.Â
Diana Buttu

Advocates the Podcast looks to Palestine in this episode. We speak to Diana Buttu, a Canadian-Palestinian lawyer and advocate of Palestinian rights. Diana takes us through her experience working in the Negotiations Support Unit of the Palestinian Liberation Organization and describes the legal battles she faces in an occupied Palestine.
Carlton Larson

In this instalment of Advocates the Podcast, we talk to Professor Carlton Larson, scholar of American constitutional law and Anglo-American legal history. In an unusual episode, Professor Larson describes how the Founding Fathers of America, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and James Wilson, were as lawyers and advocates. He also dips into the career of Abraham Lincoln as lawyer and advocate.Â
Gobind Singh Deo

How does one go from taking a car radiator apart to becoming an advocate? Gobind Singh Deo, prominent criminal advocate in Malaysia shares with Advocates the Podcast about just that. Gobind Singh Deo shares his journey of coming up as an advocate under the shadow of the Malaysian Internal Security Act, his approach to criminal cases and the investigative strategies he undertakes.
Helena Kennedy QC

On this episode of Advocates the Podcast, we learn about how a young woman from Glasgow, Scotland became one of Britain's leading barristers. Baroness Helena Kennedy QC takes us back to the 70s, a time women were largely excluded from the legal profession in Britain. Listen to how she disrupted the traditional 'Chambers' model and reshaped the law for women through her work in media, landmark cases and in law-making at the House of Lords. Â
This interview contains discussions of gender based violence.Â
Michael Kirby AC CMG

We welcome to this episode of Advocates The Podcast, Michael Kirby AC CMG, first openly gay judge and an intellectual powerhouse. After a career as a barrister, he went on to sit on the High Court of Australia, the highest court in the land.Â
Harish Salve QC

In this installment of Advocates The Podcast, we sit down with the former Solicitor General of India, Harish Salve QC. Harish is a familiar face in high profile cases having represented India before the International Court of Justice, Vodafone and even Bollywood heartthrob, Salman Khan. Intriguingly, Harish expanded jurisdictions and is now a Queen's Counsel at Blackstones Chambers, just 7 years after being admitted to the Bar of England and Wales.Â
Nancy Hollander

What is it like to have Jodie Foster play you in a movie? Nancy Hollander, named America's Top 50 women litigators, says it is a very strange feeling. Nancy has spent her career taking on the U.S. Government including representing Mohamedou Ould Slahi who was held captive in Guantanamo Bay for 16 years. Find out why Nancy thinks country music is an effective source for learning good advocacy, here on Advocates The Podcast.Â
CW: This interview contains mentions of torture.Â
Tan Sri Dato' V.C. George

In our second episode, Tan Sri Dato' V.C. George. Malaysian legal legend and legendary wit. Having entered the profession in 1957, George gives us a lens into legal practice in early independent Malaya. Later in his career, George was among the first four judges appointed to the newly formed Commercial Division of the High Court in 1983. He sat in the Court of Appeal until 1995. In 2021, he published a memoir, 'Some Stories I Have Told and Some That I Haven't'.Â
Lord Jonathan Sumption

Lord Jonathan Sumption. First barrister in 60 years from the English Bar to be appointed directly to the highest court of the land in the United Kingdom. Enough said.Â
Jonathan Crow QC

In our last episode of Advocates the Podcast (Season 1), we speak to Jonathan Crow QC. Jonathan Crow is an English litigator with almost 40 years of experience at the Bar. In 2006, Crow was appointed Queen’s Counsel, and has since built an award-winning career (Legal 500’s Top 100, Chambers UK Commercial Litigation and Chancery Silk of the Year, The Times Lawyer of the Week). On this episode of Advocates, The Podcast, Jonathan Crow speaks on his childhood, his seasoned approach to appeals, and his experience arguing before the U.K. Supreme Court.Stay tuned for Advocates the Podcast Season 2!Â
Ambiga Sreenevasan

Few in Malaysia command as much admiration as Ambiga Sreenevasan – admiration among her contemporaries as a skilled litigator, and among the public as a courageous political activist. Sreenevasan has served as President of the Malaysian Bar Council, co-chairperson of Bersih (an NGO advocating for local election reform), and member of the International Commission of Jurists. Catch Ambiga Sreenevasan on Advocates, The Podcast.
Johann Kriegler

This episode of Advocates stars Johann Kriegler, a veteran litigator at the Johannesburg Bar. In late 1993, Kriegler was assigned to direct the Independent Electoral Commission, the body responsible for overseeing South Africa’s first universally democratic election. A year later, Kriegler was appointed by Nelson Mandela to the Constitutional Court of South Africa, a position he held for eight years.Â
Eason Rajah QC

Ipoh-born English barrister Eason Rajah discusses life at boarding school, inspiring colleagues, and his thirst for winning, on this month’s instalment of Advocates, the Podcast. Appointed Queen’s Counsel in 2011, Rajah also acts as a Deputy High Court Judge and as Chairman of the Chancery Bar Association. In 2018, Rajah was awarded “Private Client: Trusts and Probate Silk of the Year” by the Legal 500.
Davinder Singh SC

Eminent Singaporean litigator, Davinder Singh SC, outlines his philosophy and approach to advocacy on this month’s first episode of Advocates, the Podcast. After spending 37 years at Drew & Napier, one of Singapore’s leading law firms, Singh started his own firm in early 2019. Among countless other accolades, Singh was most recently inducted into the The Legal 500 Asia Pacific “Hall of Fame” for his expertise in Dispute Resolution and International Arbitration.
Robert Lazar

Robert Lazar is a litigator with more than forty years of experience at the Malaysian Bar. He represented former Supreme Court Justice Datuk Seri George Seah during the 1988 Judicial Crisis, appeared as lead counsel for the Bar during the 2008 Royal Commission of Inquiry into V.K. Lingam, and litigated one of the only cases before the Special Court, in 2009. Tune in to this month’s installment of Advocates, The Podcast to listen to Robert Lazar speak on his illustrious career as an advocate.Â
Hina Jilani

The fourth episode of Advocates features Hina Jilani, an internationally-renowned litigator and activist from Lahore, Pakistan. Her brand of human rights advocacy is fierce and fearless, and has brought her face to face with death threats and assassins. Listen to Jilani discuss her career as a pioneer for women’s and children’s rights in Pakistan and across the world, on Advocates, the Podcast.Â
Benjamin Aina QC

Benjamin Aina QC was appointed Queen’s Counsel in 2009, and has established himself as a prominent criminal barrister in the United Kingdom as both a prosecutor and a defender. On this month’s episode of Advocates, Aina speaks about his childhood influences, his experience as a Black barrister, and the emphasis he places on courtesy as defining factor of a successful advocate.
Alan Dershowitz

Alan Dershowitz is renowned not only as a successful criminal defense attorney, but also as Professor Emeritus at Harvard Law School and as an award-winning author. Listen to Dershowitz discuss his legal philosophy, his activism, and the rest of his 60-year-long journey as an advocate.Â
Tommy Thomas

Former Attorney General of Malaysia and distinguished veteran of the Malaysian Bar, Tommy Thomas, speaks about his meticulous approach to trial work, his legacy as an advocate, and the historical development of the Malaysian judicial system, on the inaugural episode of Advocates, The Podcast.