Primary & Secondary Podcast
Our Mission is to provide the best, most accurate, & pertinent information to both professional & civilian in regards to firearms, training, tactics, gear, and mindset.Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/primary-secondary-podcast--2585240/support.
P&S ModCast 469 - B.O.S.S. Silencers
Matt Landfair interviews Mike Cain of BOSS Silencers.
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P&S ModCast 76 - Aaron Cowan
Originally recorded December 7, 2016. This archival episode returns with a new introduction and sponsor acknowledgments. Equipment references, course schedules, and personal updates in the original conversation reflect that period.P&S ModCast 76 features Aaron Cowan of Sage Dynamics in a wide-ranging discussion about defensive firearms instruction, pistol red dots, developing shooting skill, and the responsibility that comes with teaching others.
The conversation brings together military, law-enforcement, competition, and firearms-industry perspectives.The recurring question is why. Why teach a technique? Why choose a particular piece of equipment? What does a drill actually measure, and how does that result relate to...
P&S ModCast 468 - Defensive Display Done Right
P&S ModCast 468 — Defensive Display Done Right
What separates a justified defensive firearm display from brandishing, intimidation, or an unnecessary escalation? And what happens when displaying a firearm successfully stops an attack—but the defender shoots anyway?
Host Matt Landfair joins firearms instructor Steve Moses, litigation consultant Shawn Vincent, and criminal defense attorney Don West for a discussion of defensive firearm displays, sound judgment, and the legal consequences that can follow a self-defense encounter.
Drawing on their training and case experience, the panel examines how an armed defender’s decisions look to investigators, prosecutors, witnes...
P&S ModCast 77 - Sniper Part 2
This second half broadens into mindset, fieldcraft, capability, and culture. The panel emphasizes that the job is uncomfortable, demanding, and often poorly supported; the people who last are driven by responsibility and resilience rather than the identity or appearance of being a sniper.
They cover moving-target work, practical accuracy standards, realistic expectations for rifles and ammunition, compact precision rifles for urban or patrol use, and the value of competition and cross-training with civilian and law-enforcement shooters. The discussion also addresses risk-averse training cultures, maintaining a warfighting focus, healthy coping skills, and the importance of asking for help before s...
P&S ModCast 77 - Sniper Part 1
The first half focuses on what actually makes a sniper program viable: selecting and developing the right people, earning command trust, building sustainable training, and preserving institutional knowledge instead of relying on one motivated individual. The panel talks through the difference between being assigned a precision-rifle role and becoming genuinely capable at it.
A major thread is honest performance validation. They argue for dry practice, meaningful round counts, 10-round groups rather than flattering three-shot groups, and walk-back confirmation—not simply dialing a rifle to distance and declaring it ready. They also discuss the friction created by limited time, am...
P&S ModCast 467 - Small Batch Reloading
P&S ModCast
Matt Landfair is joined by Jon Canipe, Bryan Eastridge, and Nate Osborne for a wide-ranging discussion of small-batch reloading. The panel covers specialty and obsolete cartridges, revolver loads, cast bullets, coatings, practical equipment choices, component fit, load development, and why handloading remains useful even when factory ammunition is available.
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P&S ModCast 78 - The P&S Roundtable, Part 3
Primary & Secondary ModCast 78 — Part 3
Recorded December 4, 2016
Part 3 closes out this wide-ranging P&S roundtable with a discussion of political messaging, public discourse, military recruiting, education, and the importance of connecting classroom learning to real-world use.
The panel talks through how experience, mentorship, and clear explanations can help people understand why foundational skills matter. From recruiting conversations to practical examples drawn from military service, the discussion returns to the value of giving people useful context instead of simply expecting them to accept information at face value.
As an archival recording, some references reflect the ti...
P&S ModCast 78 - The P&S Roundtable, Part 2
Primary & Secondary ModCast 78 — Part 2
Recorded December 4, 2016
In Part 2, the panel continues its wide-ranging discussion with a closer look at military culture, leadership, institutional priorities, and the realities of preparing people for demanding work.
The conversation also covers practical equipment considerations, including rifle setup, optics placement, night-vision use, and the importance of fitting a weapon system to the person using it. Along the way, the panel returns to a recurring P&S theme: effective instruction starts with understanding the audience, building useful context, and giving people a foundation they can continue to develop on their own.
P&S ModCast 78 - The P&S Roundtable, Part 1
Primary & Secondary ModCast 78 — Part 1
Recorded December 4, 2016
This archival episode is a wide-ranging panel conversation covering Primary & Secondary community platforms, firearms and equipment setup, the value of having the right tools for the job, and the realities of teaching and learning.
The discussion shifts into instructor development: how to build training around the students in front of you, present foundational material without talking down to experienced people, and give students the tools to continue improving after class. The panel also discusses the time, effort, and responsibility involved in providing worthwhile instruction—particularly for officers and working peop...
P&S ModCast 466 - Modern Minuteman AAR with Shane Kerwin
Primary & Secondary ModCast
Modern Minuteman is presented by Shane Kerwin through Personal Survival Solutions. This episode focuses on the panel’s recent experience with the course and uses the after-action-review format to examine what the training demanded, what the students learned, and how structured instruction exposes gaps that ordinary practice may leave hidden.
An AAR is most useful when it moves beyond whether an event was enjoyable. The practical questions are what worked, what did not, which assumptions survived contact with the course, and what should change afterward. Those lessons help listeners evaluate their own preparedness an...
P&S ModCast 81 - Roland Part 2
Primary & Secondary ModCast part two originally recorded 12/09/2016
The panel discusses Roland aka Chuck Pressburg.
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Scott Jedlinski
Walt Kowalski
Matt Meckley
Chuck Pressburg
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P&S ModCast 81 - Roland Part 1
Primary & Secondary ModCast part one originally recorded 12/09/2016
The panel discusses Roland aka Chuck Pressburg.
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Walt Kowalski
Chuck Pressburg
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P&S ModCast 465 - Foundations of Church Security
Primary & Secondary ModCast
Church security is often discussed as though it begins and ends with stopping an armed attacker. That possibility cannot be ignored, but it represents only one part of protecting a congregation.
In P&S ModCast 465 – Foundations of Church Security, host Matt Landfair speaks with Chris Cypert, Brian Horton, Allan McBee, and Steve Moses about building an effective church safety or security team. Warren Wilson was scheduled to participate but was prevented by technical problems.
The discussion examines risk assessment, team selection, medical preparedness, firearms standards, legal considerations, childcare, parking lots, communications, an...
P&S ModCast 86 - Social Media- The Downfall Of Humanity 2016
Primary & Secondary Modcast
Social media gives everyone a platform—but not necessarily credibility. Matt Landfair and the panel discuss critical thinking, evaluating instructors and subject-matter experts, online tribalism, negative engagement, and separating useful information from confident nonsense. Originally recorded December 29, 2016. This restored episode contains strong language and reflects the discussion and references available at the time.
Host:
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Panel:
Dugan Ashley
the late Jack Clemons
Jose Gordon
Shawn Herrin
Scott Jedlinski
John Johnston
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P&S ModCast 464 - Tactical Anatomy Summit
Primary & Secondary Modcast
Andy Anderson, Chuck Haggard, Shane Kerwin, and Matt Landfair discuss Tactical Anatomy Summit training.
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P&S ModCast 463 - Mentally Building Survival Skills
Craig Caudill, Shane Kerwin, and Matt Landfair discuss outdoor appreciation and steps to build outdoor survival skills.
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P&S ModCast 462 - The 2011
Primary & Secondary Modcast
Joe Chambers, Matt Landfair, Chris Palmer, and A.J. Zito discuss how 2011s have improved, how to keep them running, and tips for shooting them better.
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P&S ModCast 461 - Open Enrollment ModCast
Primary & Secondary Modcast
Chris Bean, Ben DeWalt, Caleb Giddings, Matt Landfair, and Dave Simerly share experiences, insights, and stories from an instructor's perspective.
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P&S ModCast 460 - Understanding Misconceptions in Law Enforcement
Primary & Secondary Modcast
Doug Deaton, John Hearne, and Matt Landfair discuss common practices and misdirected efforts conducted by law enforcement.
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P&S ModCast 459 - Deciphering Armor Standards
Primary & Secondary ModCast
Matt Landfair discusses the 06 and 07 NIJ standards.
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P&S ModCast 458 - Facts Vs Emotional Appeal
Primary & Secondary ModCast
Dave Agata, Doug Deaton, and Matt Landfair discuss how the media has been manipulating messages regarding recent high-profile events. Links to research resources below.
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P&S ModCast 457 - Gun Nerds 21: Horrors From The Workbench
Primary & Secondary ModCast
Chad Albrecht, Jon Canipe, and Matt Landfair discuss problems, ammunition, and other fine topics that an armorer or gunsmith may encounter.
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P&S ModCast 456 - Women's Insights For Teaching Women
Primary & Secondary ModCast
The panel discusses considerations when teaching new female shooters.
Host: Matt Landfair
Panel:
Dakota Adelphia
Tammy Bartels
Jamie Green
Edwina Parker
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P&S ModCast 455 - Entertainment Redefining Values
The panel discusses how entertainment has been trying to subtly change core values.
Host: Matt Landfair
Panel:
Larry Correia
Chris Cypert
Michael Haspil
Jeffrey H. Haskell
Asa Keefe
Kurt Weber
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P&S ModCast 454 - You Have Only Two Hours
Chris Bean, Dan Brady, and Matt Landfair discuss personal observations from their teaching experience and explain how to prioritize what matters when time is limited.
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P&S ModCast 453 - A Meaningful Training Foundation
Sofia Espina discusses her journey from new gun owner to training with some of the best instructors working today to her fourth ECQC.
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P&S ModCast 452 - Tales of Old(er) and Lessons Learned
Kurt Weber explains the improvements he observed in weapons, equipment, and training in the U.S. Army since the 80's.
Host: Matt Landfair
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P&S ModCast 451 - Common Core Firearms Training
We discuss what has changed in institutional firearms standards and training over the last 50 years. We no longer have Frank Hamers and Jelly Bryces among us. Has the training changed, or have the people?
Host: Matt Landfair
Panel:
Jordan!
Doug Deaton
Mark Fricke
Frank Groth
David Simerly
Steve Shields
Warren Wilson
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P&S ModCast 450 - 41 & 44
Primary & Secondary ModCast
We discuss 41 and 45 special and Magnum!
Host: Matt Landfair
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Jason Cloessner
John “Big Drip” Harris.
Steve Shields
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P&S ModCast 449 - Priority of Life & Emotional Intelligence
Primary & Secondary ModCast
We discuss the concept of priority of life within several applications in the use of force as well as emotional intelligence.
Host: Matt Landfair
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Chris Cypert
Doug Deaton
Erick Gelhaus
Michael V.
Claude Werner
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P&S ModCast 448 - Foundational Concepts in Reloading
Primary & Secondary ModCast
We discuss reloading.
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Mark Fricke
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Steve Shields
Chauncey Wesner
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P&S ModCast 447 - Low Light With Dan Brady from Apache Solutions
Primary & Secondary ModCast
Dan and Matt discuss low-light conditions, lights, and practices for defensive purposes.
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P&S ModCast 446 - Staying on Message
Primary & Secondary ModCast.
The panel discusses how to interact with others who are sharing misinformation.
Host: Matt Landfair
Panel:
Chris Bean
Riley Bowman
Dan Brady
Larry Correia
Caleb Giddings
Brian Horton
Tom Kelley
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P&S ModCast 87 - Plateaus
Primary & Secondary ModCast - Plateaus. Originally recorded 02/17.
The panel discusses plateaus in training, learning, and skillsets. Sadly, Mike passed since this recording. I always found his input extremely valuable.
The Pat we are referring to during the discussion is the late Pat Rogers, with whom Mike worked with for many years. Â
Host: Matt Landfair
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Steve Fisher
Michael Hueser
Rick Labistre
Matt Meckley
Justin Smith
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P&S ModCast 445 - Thunderstick Summit AAR 2025
Primary & Secondary ModCast
The panel discusses the recent shotgun training event - Thunderrstick Summit.
Host: Matt Landfair
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Steve Fisher
Cody Stewart
Boone Walker
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P&S ModCast 444 - The AR15 in 2025
Primary & Secondary ModCast
We talk about previous trends and where they are bringing us with the AR15.
This was recorded Nov 9, 2025 and YouTube killed it midstream.
Host: Matt Landfair
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Brass Facts
Ash Hess
Hop
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P&S ModCast 443 - CoolFire Trainer
Primary & Secondary ModCast
Matt Landfair talks to Boone Walker of CoolFire Trainer about their products and applications.
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P&S ModCast 442 - The Allure of Single Action Revolvers
Primary & Secondary ModCast
Host: Matt Landfair
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Darryl Bolke
Jon Canipe
Bryan Eastridge
David Simerly
Chauncey Wesner
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P&S ModCast 441 - ACE VR
Primary & Secondary ModCast
Matt Landfair discusses VR training with Jon Canipe of ACE Virtual Shooting.
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P&S ModCast 440 - On/Off Duty Critical Response
Primary & Secondary ModCast
We discuss considerations for critical incidents.
Host: Matt Landfair
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Erick Gelhaus
Chuck Haggard
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