Cloud Unplugged
Each week, Jon Shanks, CEO of cloud-native consultancy and product business Appvia, and tech evangelist Lewis Marshall, senior developer and AI enthusiast, analyse the biggest news stories that week, that are shaping Cloud, Data and AI. Alongside their insight, they invite frontline leaders, Chief Technology Officers and engineering heads from established, cloud-powered organisations to share candid lessons from running real-world workloads at scale. Together, they take the headlines and get to the facts, helping you keep track of the fast-paced Cloud market. Expect straight-talking conversation, sharp analysis as they explore how emerging technology reshapes business and society. Tune in each...
UK’s £1B AI Push, China’s 631GB Data Leak, and Robotic Exoskeletons
This week, we delve into the UK government’s substantial investment in AI infrastructure and its implications for cloud sovereignty; Is it related to the trump administration, the economy or the AI arms race? We discuss China’s unprecedented 631 GB personal data leak and whether it is a honeytrap or negligence. Plus, Wandercraft’s latest advancements in robotic exoskeletons and how technology is transforming mobility and rehabilitation.
Whether you're deep in tech, cloud services, AI innovation, or market dynamics, this episode delivers sharp analysis, insightful predictions, and essential context to stay ahead in a rapidly evolving technological landsc...
From AI Labs to Warzones: Proteins, Drones & Dog Tech
In this episode, Jon and Lewis cover four wildly different stories, from Warfare to the impact of Trump conspiracies on Datacentres.
First up, Microsoft is investing $400 million to turn Switzerland into the next cloud capital. Is it for neutrality, Trump instability syndrome or just demand?
Then, we meet a glow-in-the-dark protein made by an AI called ESM3, because why not let machines start designing life?
Next, we detour into wartime sci-fi: Ukraine’s drone swarm attack: trucks, remote lids, and enough AI autopilot to cause substantial damage. Finally, we finish with Fi, a sm...
Design Meets AI: OpenAI and Jony Ives, VEO AI film creation, and how to predict the weather with M.S
This week, we dive into OpenAI’s $6.5B acquisition of Jony Ive’s ‘io’ and what it means for the future of AI-native devices. We explore Google’s VEO 3 and the deepfake dilemmas it raises, along with Microsoft’s Aurora AI and its ability to predict the weather. Plus, Google’s new try-on AI lets you see how clothes fit without leaving your house, and in a more random story, it turns out some plants can hear bees to protect their nectar.
Whether you're deep in tech, cloud services, AI innovation, or market dynamics, this episode delivers sharp analysis...
AI Infrastructure Boom: CoreWeave's IPO, AWS Transform, and Quantum Computings Next Leap
In this episode, we dissect industry-shaping stories, debating CoreWeave's $35 billion IPO, AWS Transform: AI for legacy app modernisation, and the exciting intersection of quantum computing and AI and how much Nvidia is investing in the Market - are they becoming the new Microsoft, Apple or Google?
Whether you're deep in tech, cloud services, AI innovation, or market dynamics, this episode delivers sharp analysis, insightful predictions, and essential context to stay ahead in a rapidly evolving technological landscape.
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Saudi’s AI Empire, Nvidia’s Robot Plans, and talking Dolphins
In this, almost, but never quite, 30-minute episode, we investigate how Saudi Arabia is set to become the world’s next AI hub. Unravelling the state-backed initiative, HUMAIN, and the billions being channelled into local data-centre capacity with Nvidia and AWS.
We also uncover Nvidia’s newly open-sourced Isaac GR00T N1 foundation model, trained on vast libraries of human motion-capture, and the impact that is going to have on the robotics industry. When will they be coming for our jobs?
Finally, we explore the EnMap satellites now tracking CO₂ and NO₂ and if countries are even...
Big Retail Cyber Attack: Amazon’s AI Offensive & the Google AI Opt‑Out Illusion
In this 30‑minute episode, Jon and Lewis unpick the coordinated ransomware wave that struck Britain’s high‑street giants. They trace the attack chain that emptied Co‑op shelves, froze M&S online orders and attempted, but failed, to extort Harrods.
Lewis takes a look at Amazon’s latest generative‑AI arsenal: Amazon Q’s new developer‑first agents, the multimodal Nova Premier family running on Bedrock, and AWS’s landmark decision to let any SaaS vendor list in Marketplace regardless of where the software runs, a direct play to become the app store for the whole cloud economy.
Europe in the Dark: Cyber-attack Suspicions, Meta’s New AI, Qwen 3 & Earths rotation changes
In this 30-minute episode, Jon and Lewis delve into the root causes of Europe’s recent Spain, France and Portugal blackouts, scrutinising grid-failure reports and probing whether a sophisticated cyber-attack might have been to blame. They then analyse Meta’s newly unveiled AI alongside the arrival of Qwen 3 and Google's AgentSpace update, and how Jon progressed with integrating it into Google Drive to streamline internal teams.
Next, they unpack NASA’s groundbreaking study showing how three massive dams have redistributed Earth’s water mass, subtly altering the planet’s shape and extending our days.
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Google AI Agentspace Workflows, Oracle Cloud Breach and OpenAI’s New Features
In this fact-busting 30-minute episode, Jon and Lewis explore Google’s AI AgentSpace technology and how it could let business teams run complete workflows without ever leaving the agent environment. They then test the marketing claims behind Openai’s latest model features, before dissecting Oracle’s cloud data breach.
Finally, they map out the potential impact of the proposed Clean Cloud Act on the energy footprint.
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CTO/Co-founder Thomas Boltze: Why Your Engineering Team is Slow - and How to Fix It | Episode 40
In this episode of Cloud Unplugged, Jon talks with Thomas Boltze—CTO at Santander’s PagoNxt, former CTO of Funding Circle, Agile Coach, and cloud/fintech leader with 15+ years experience—about fixing broken tech teams. They cover rebuilding systems from scratch, cutting through technical debt, and why culture trumps code every time. Lessons from fintech, startups and hard-won engineering battles.
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AI Monopoly Madness: Microsoft’s Moves and the Future of ChatGPT! | Episode 39
In this episode of Cloud Unplugged, Lewis and Jon explore the latest in AI and cloud computing, discussing Microsoft's board changes and the evolving AI landscape. They also examine the practical applications of ChatGPT and its impact.
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CIO of Sportradar, Ian Poland: How to manage your cloud spend well, career journey to CIO | Episode 38
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GitOps: The gaps it has and what can be done about it! | Episode 37
In this episode of Cloud Unplugged, Mark and Lewis join Jon to discuss the challenges of the Gitops model, what's good about it and where it is lacking!
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Open Source: Tesla car takeovers and rogue washing machines with Lewis Marshall and Mark Hughes Open Source: Tesla car takeovers and rogue washing machines | Episode 36
In this episode of Cloud Unplugged, Mark and Lewis join Jon in the unknown of Open Source, Cyber Security and the takeover of cars and rogue washing machines!
Is Open source a risk for companies to adopt? What assurances are there around it? And What are we doing collectively to help support the maintenance of open-source projects that don't have enough maintainers?
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Head of Engineering of Moonpig, Richard Pearson: Career Progression, Leadership and Enablement teams | Episode 35
Richard Pearson joins The Cloud Unplugged podcast to talk discuss his career journey to become Head of Engineering at Moonpig.
We take a look at how he began his career, from studying AI to working for an ISP and now heading up Engineering at Moonpig.
We also discuss what the engineering function at Moonpig looks like, how the teams are structured and what technologies are being adopted in AWS.
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Product vs. Program, what's the difference and do you really need them? | Episode 34
Jon and Jay sit down to discuss what a program is, what a product is and what the difference between the two is. Are they company-specific and completely unrelated, or, are they reliant on each other? This light-hearted episode covers the ins and outs of products and programs.
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The importance of consistency in cloud infrastructure: Cloud Landing Zones | Episode 33
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What Makes a S...Rafe Colburn, Depop (owned by Etsy). Pitfalls of measuring engineering productivity | Episode 32
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What Makes a S...Dean Bryen, CTO of Cloud UBS maintaining innovation with new technologies | Episode 31
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What Makes a S...Idriss Selhoum, Marks & Spencer's cloud adoption journey | Episode 30
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What Makes a S...David Heinemeier Hansson, 37 Signals & Ruby on Rails. Rent vs buy: do cloud providers really save companies money? | Episode 29
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What Makes a S...Matthew Skelton, Team Topologies, the complexities of managing team in the modern workplace | Episode 28
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What Makes a S...What is Culture in the Modern Workplace? | Episode 27
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What Makes a S...Viktor Farcic, Upbound. Platform Engineering, Role Evolution and Optimisation | Episode 26
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What Makes a S...Product Manager vs. Product Owner, is there a difference and do you need one? | Episode 25
Product management versus delivery management... two distinct but complementary roles within a company, each serving essential purposes. Understanding their significance can shed light on their importance to an organisation. Some may argue that both are essential, while others might contend that product management alone is enough. Let's explore and determine their significance.
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Nicholas Chang & Steve Nicholl, Kainos. Navigating Cloud Adoption | Episode 24
In this episode of The Cloud Unplugged Podcast, Nicholas Chang, and Steve Nicholl, from Kainos, join Jon to share insights on the challenges of navigating cloud adoption framework, platform engineering, and the significance of collaboration in the industry. They cover keeping up with the rapidly evolving cloud technologies through social networking, choosing the right platform and service for creating applications, and giving autonomy to developers while implementing the necessary guardrails to prevent damage.
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Chris Stura, PwC UK. Platform Engineering & Business Success | Episode 23
Jon sits down with Chris Stura, Director of Financial Services at PwC. Together, Jon and Chris delve into the realm of cloud computing and software development, highlighting the challenges that businesses in the technology sector face. Gain valuable insights on leveraging technology for business success and the crucial role of integrating technology into effective business strategies.
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Colin Humphreys, Syntasso. Anti-Patterns Exposed: Building Platforms the Right Way | Episode 22
In this episode of Cloud Unplugged, Jon sits down with Colin Humphreys, CEO & Co-Founder of Syntasso. The two tackle the confusing jargon prevalent in the cloud industry and its impact on effective communication, they delve into the significance of product management and design as crucial elements of platform engineering, and they relive the challenging times when Dev and Ops used to be separate entities.
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Haseeb Budhani, Rafay Systems. Bridging the Gap: Development and Developer Experience | Episode 21
In this episode of Cloud Unplugged, host Jon is joined by Haseeb Budhani, the Co-founder and CEO of Rafay Systems. Rafay Systems is at the forefront of delivering cloud-native Kubernetes management and operation solutions to corporations and managed services. Jon and Haseeb explore the thought-provoking topic of build vs. buy in the platform engineering world, shedding light on the advantages and challenges associated with this approach.
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Richard Simon, T-Systems. Every Cloud Migration Has a Silver Lining | Episode 20
Jay is joined by Richard Simon, CTO at T-Systems, a business that drives digital transformation for companies by offering integrated end-to-end IT solutions. Jay and Richard discuss the four stages of cloud migration, how to establish a Cloud Centre of Excellence, what polycloud is, and why you need more than a hammer to build a house.
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Charles Humble, Container Solutions. Technical Writing in the Cloud Era | Episode 19
In this episode, Jay is accompanied by Charles Humble, the Editor-in-Chief at Container Solutions, a cloud native consultancy. Having the benefit of being a writer in such a technical field, Charles brings a fascinating perspective to cloud discussion. Together, Jay and Charles discuss working remotely in the cloud space, why some companies fail at cloud adoption, and draw parallels between programming and writing. Finally, they wrapped up their discussion by exploring what part AI shall play in the future of technical writing.
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Kasper von Grünberg, Humanitec. What it Means to be a Platform Engineer | Episode 18
This time on Cloud Unplugged, hosts Jon and Jay are joined by Kaspar von Grünberg, the Founder and CEO of Humanitec. Working as a platform orchestrator, Humanitec is a product that enables companies to build internal developer platforms. In the episode, Jon, Jay and Kaspar discuss what it means to be a platform engineer, if the industry has a measure of what ‘good’ looks like, and whether having strong opinions of a platform is a positive or negative thing.
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Optimal Platform Engineering Team Sizes | Episode 17
In this episode, Jon and Jay discuss the ideal sizes for platform engineering teams. During the course of their conversation, the pair talk through ways to optimise team size to ensure business efficiency, what an ideal platform team size ratio would be, why some platform teams have become bloated, and hypothesise about the concept of a ‘zero-person’ company.
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Enabling Developer Self-Service with Existing Technologies | Episode 16
In this episode, Jon and Jay explain how platform engineers can enable developer self-service with existing technologies. They touch on the evolution of self-service, and how cloud technology has made it easier to do well.
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The State of DevOps Report 2023 | Episode 15
Jon and Jay analyse the findings of Puppet’s recent report on the state of DevOps and platform engineering. The pair discuss what they thought was lacking from the report, the difference between platform teams and platform engineering teams, and Jon finds an excuse to have a rant about the term 'cognitive load'.
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Teams and Talent: Unlocking Team Potential with OKRs | Episode 14
Jon and Jay discuss the best ways to manage and lead platform engineering teams. Sharing what they've learnt from running their own business, Jon and Jay talk through setting objectives and key results (OKRs) that are anchored to business goals, the importance of diversity and collaboration, and secrets to unlocking talent and potential amongst your team.
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Cloud Platform Engineering: Saving Time, Money and Effort | Episode 13
Jon and Jay tackle the complexities of cloud platform engineering, including cognitive load, the total cost of ownership, public and private cloud, and more. Learn how to save time, money, and effort by taking advantage of cloud services while managing cost and security properly
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Single or Multi-Tenant Clusters: Security | Episode 12
This time, Jon and Jay take a deep dive into the security decisions surrounding single and multi-tenancy on Kubernetes cluster architectures. Covering everything from role-based access control to, encrypting secrets stored in the cloud, and process isolation to root read-only file systems.
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Single or Multi-Tenant Clusters: When and Why | Episode 11
Jon and Jay get stuck into the concept of single versus multi-tenancy in Kubernetes cluster architectures. They talk through the decision criteria on when to go single tenancy and when to go multi-tenancy, addressing the compromises you may be making when you share infrastructure... and whether Jon can say "Goodbye" in French.
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Cloud Strategy: What Is It and Why You Need One? | Episode 10
In this episode, Jon and Jay dive into what exactly a cloud strategy is, how it differs from a business plan and how to measure its success.
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The importance of DevExp for larger developer teams | Episode 9
Jon and Jay dive into what a good developer experience really is, from writing code to troubleshooting.
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