Learn Persian with Chai and Conversation

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Learn Persian with Chai and Conversation teaches you conversational Persian in a fun and casual manner in weekly lessons of about 15-20 minutes each. Check out our website chaiandconversation.com for more information.

Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, The Story of Zahhak, Part 1
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In this lesson, we begin our discussion of the famous Tale of Zahhak from Ferdowsi's Shahnameh with Dr. Sahba Shayani. We use the end of the story of Jamshid as a prelude and begin to learn of how Zahhak becomes an evil king.


Poetry | Hafez's yoosofé gom gashté, Part 6
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02/09/2026

In this thrilling conclusion to Hafez's poem yoosofé gom gashté, we cover the words and phrases in the last four lines of the poem. Hafez concludes by acknowledging the difficulties the reader may face and reiterating his encouragement and confidence that God will help the reader overcome them.


Poetry | Hafez's yoosofé gom gashté, Part 5
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02/01/2026

In this lesson, we cover the words and phrases in the next four lines of the poem yoosofé gom gashté by Hafez. In this part of the poem, Hafez provides the reader encouragement and inspiration for overcoming any difficulties they may face.


Poetry | Hafez's yoosofé gom gashté, Part 4
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01/26/2026

In this lesson, we go over more words and phrases in the next four lines of the poem yoosofé gom gashté by Hafez. Here, Hafez reassures the reader regarding forces that are beyond their control.


Poetry | Hafez's yoosofé gom gashté, Part 3
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01/18/2026

In this lesson, we go over the individual words and phrases in the next four lines of the poem yoosofé gom gashté by Hafez, which refer broadly to the nature of the heavens and earth.


Poetry | Hafez's yoosofé gom gashté, Part 2
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01/12/2026

In this lesson, we go over the individual words and phrases in the first four lines of the poem yoosofé gom gashté by Hafez.


Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, On the Creation of the World, Part 6
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01/05/2026

In this lesson, we conclude our discussion of the section “On the Creation of the World” from Ferdowsi's Shahnameh and reflect on its implications with Dr. Omid Arabian. In this last part, Ferdowsi explains the origins and significance of human beings in more detail.


Poetry | Hafez's yoosofé gom gashté, Introduction with Sahba Shayani
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01/04/2026

In this introductory lesson to Hafez's poem yoosofé gom gashté, we're joined by Prof. Sahba Shayani to talk about the general theme and meaning behind this poem.


Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, On the Creation of the World, Part 5
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12/15/2025

In this lesson, we proceed to the fifth part of our discussion of the section “On the Creation of the World” from Ferdowsi's Shahnameh with Dr. Omid Arabian. In this part of the epic poem, Ferdowsi briefly concludes his discussion of the origins of plants and animals and begins explaining the origins of human beings.


Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, On the Creation of the World, Part 4
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12/08/2025

In this lesson, we proceed to the fourth part of our discussion of the section “On the Creation of the World” from Ferdowsi's Shahnameh with Dr. Omid Arabian. This part of the epic poem explains Ferdowsi's account of the origins of plants and animals.


Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, On the Creation of the World, Part 3
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12/01/2025

In this lesson, we proceed to the third part of our discussion of the section “On the Creation of the World” from Ferdowsi's Shahnameh with Dr. Omid Arabian. This part of the epic poem discusses the formation of the Earth.


Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, On the Creation of the World, Part 2
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11/24/2025

In this lesson, we continue our discussion of the section “On the Creation of the World” from Ferdowsi's Shahnameh with Dr. Omid Arabian. This part of the epic poem discusses the very beginnings of the universe.


Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, On the Creation of the World, Part 1
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11/17/2025

In this lesson, we begin our discussion of the section of Ferdowsi's Shahnameh called “On the Creation of the World” with Dr. Omid Arabian. We begin with a discussion of just the first two lines (the first two rhyming couplets).


Speak Lesson 70 | Thanking a Shopowner
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10/27/2025

In this lesson, we learn some more expressions for expressing thanks, particularly in the context of visiting a jewelry store or other shop and making arrangements in advance.


Interview | Growing Up Irooni - Nilo Tabrizy on the Cost of Telling Iran’s Story
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10/22/2025

In this episode of Growing Up Irooni, journalist Nilo Tabrizy joins Leyla Shams to talk about her groundbreaking book For the Sun After Long Nights — The Story of Iran’s Women-Led Uprising, recently long-listed for the National Book Award.
Nilo reflects on what it means to love a country she can no longer return to, the emotional toll of reporting on Iran from afar, and her friendship and collaboration with Iranian journalist Fatemeh Jamalpour, who reported from inside Iran during the Women Life Freedom movement.

Together they discuss:

The personal cost of choosing to tell Iran...


Speak Lesson 69 | Giving Thanks
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10/20/2025

In this lesson, we learn some other tārof-related expressions for expressing thanks, especially when talking to people at a party or other social gathering.


Speak Lesson 68 | Talking with a Neighbor
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10/13/2025

In this lesson, we learn a few more tārof-related expressions useful when talking with neighbors and also learn some useful phrases about gardening.


Speak Lesson 67 | How to Talk About School
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10/06/2025

In this lesson, we learn how to talk a little bit about school.


Speak Lesson 66 | Tārof When Welcoming Guests
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09/29/2025

In this lesson, we continue to explore examples of tārof relevant in situations where we have guests at our houses.


Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, Part 5
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09/15/2025

In this lesson, we cover the thrilling conclusion to the Story of Zal in the Shahnameh with Leyla and Dr. Sahba Shayani, where Zal returns with Sam to their palace in Zabulistan, where he enjoys a hero's welcome.


Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, Part 4
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09/08/2025

In this lesson, we continue our discussion of Ferdowsi's Shahnameh with Dr. Sahba Shayani to the fourth part of the Story of Zal, where Simorgh reunites Zal with his father, Sam.


Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, Part 3
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09/01/2025

In this lesson, we continue our discussion of Ferdowsi's Shahnameh with Dr. Sahba Shayani to the third part of the Story of Zal, where Sam begins to have dreams that inspire him to search for the son he had previously abandoned.


Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, Part 2
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08/25/2025

In this lesson, we continue our discussion of Ferdowsi's Shahnameh with Dr. Sahba Shayani to the second part of the Story of Zal, where Simorgh spots the abandoned baby.


Culture | Ferdowsi's Shahnameh, Part 1
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08/18/2025

In this lesson, we begin our discussion of Ferdowsi's Shahnameh with Dr. Sahba Shayani. We specifically begin covering the first part of the Story of Zal in the Shahnameh.


Interview | From Oklahoma to Shahnameh: Daniel Nayeri, Author of Everything Sad is Untrue on Memory, Myth and Belonging
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08/06/2025

In this deeply personal and wide-ranging conversation, Daniel Nayeri, author of the acclaimed autobiographical novel Everything Sad is Untrue, talks about growing up as an Iranian refugee in Oklahoma, the mythic structure of memory, and the stories we inherit—true or not. He reflects on what it means to carry generational trauma, how he began writing the book in a Brooklyn bathroom, and the long journey of learning to tell his family’s story with emotional honesty.

We discuss the magic of Persian storytelling traditions, from Shahnameh to Khosrow and Shirin, why he originally wrote the book for...


Poetry | Nizami Ganjavi's sokhanee chand dar eshgh, Part 6
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07/28/2025

In this final part of our discussion of Nizami Ganjavi's sokhanee chand dar eshgh, we cover the remaining lines, explaining how love transcends even existence on Earth and applies to the entire universe.


Poetry | Nizami Ganjavi's sokhanee chand dar eshgh, Part 5
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07/21/2025

In this fifth part of the discussion of Nizami Ganjavi's sokhanee chand dar eshgh, we cover the two more lines that describe the life-giving nature of love.


Speak Lesson 65 | Tārof at a Gallery
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07/21/2025

In this lesson, we learn some examples of tārof appropriate for talking to older people and see some examples in a conversation at an art gallery.


Interview | Growing Up Irooni – Tara Grammy, An Iranian Take on Identity, Comedy, and Being All Up in Your Business
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07/16/2025

In this laugh-out-loud and deeply personal conversation, Iranian Canadian actor, writer, and creator Tara Grammy joins Leyla to talk about growing up as an Iranian weirdo, navigating diaspora identity, creating her hit comedy series Soosi Lee, and embracing curiosity (aka being fusooli) as a cultural superpower. From getting discovered by Woody Harrelson in a tiny Toronto theatre to producing a DIY Iranian Borat-meets-Cribs series in LA, Tara's story is as inspiring as it is hilarious.

She shares her journey through acting, motherhood, cultural expectations, language guilt, and the power of telling your own story—even when no on...


Poetry | Nizami Ganjavi's sokhanee chand dar eshgh, Part 4
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07/14/2025

In this fourth part of the discussion of Nizami Ganjavi's sokhanee chand dar eshgh, we cover the next two lines in detail, regarding the indispensability of love.


Speak Lesson 64 | Meeting New People
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07/14/2025

In this lesson, we learn some more expressions we can use when meeting new people and a new expression related to tārof.


Poetry | Nizami Ganjavi's sokhanee chand dar eshgh, Part 3
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07/07/2025

In this third part of the discussion of Nizami Ganjavi's sokhanee chand dar eshgh, we cover the next two lines in detail, beginning to contemplate the importance of love to all human beings.


Speak Lesson 63 | Meeting Up with Friends
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07/07/2025

In this lesson, we learn some useful expressions for talking with friends or people we know, especially people who we haven't seen in a long time.


Poetry | Nizami Ganjavi's sokhanee chand dar eshgh, Part 2
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06/30/2025

In this second part of the discussion of Nizami Ganjavi's sokhanee chand dar eshgh, we go over the first two lines of the poem in detail.


Speak Lesson 62 | Getting Attention
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06/30/2025

In this lesson, we learn a new way to call attention to someone and how to return a lost item.


Poetry | Nizami Ganjavi's sokhanee chand dar eshgh, Introduction with Dr. Sahba Shayani
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06/23/2025

In this lesson, we introduce Nizami Ganjavi, an important 12th-century poet in the cultures of Iran, Azerbaijan, Kurdistan, Afghanistan, and Tajikistan who is also considered the national poet of Azerbaijan. We are joined by Dr. Sahba Shayani to discuss sokhanee chand dar eshgh, or “A Few Words on Love,” an excerpt from Nizami Ganjavi's Romance of Khosrow and Shirin.


Speak Lesson 61 | Meeting on the Street
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06/23/2025

In this lesson, we learn some phrases that could be useful when talking to people on the street and how to talk briefly about some routine daily activities.

We also introduce Vijay, his mixtape, and his YouTube playlist, which you can find here!


Culture | Attar's Parable of the Moths, Part 4
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06/09/2025

In this episode of Learn Persian with Chai and Conversation, we conclude The Parable of the Moths by Attar, taken from his masterpiece Conference of the Birds.
I'm joined by the brilliant Omid Arabian of YOUniversal Center, who walks us through the last 4 lines of the poem—exploring its language, imagery, and deeper meaning.
This lesson is perfect for those with some background in Persian who want to experience the richness of mystical poetry and engage with timeless questions of love, longing, and transformation.

📄 Download the accompanying PDF guide: chaiandconversation.com
🎧 Listen to the third ep...


Culture | Attar's Parable of the Moths, Part 3
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06/02/2025

In this episode of Learn Persian with Chai and Conversation, we continue to the third part of The Parable of the Moths by Attar, taken from his masterpiece Conference of the Birds.
I'm joined by the brilliant Omid Arabian of YOUniversal Center, who walks us through the next 4 lines of the poem—exploring its language, imagery, and deeper meaning.
This lesson is perfect for those with some background in Persian who want to experience the richness of mystical poetry and engage with timeless questions of love, longing, and transformation.

📄 Download the accompanying PDF guide: chaiandconversation.com


Interview | Growing Up Irooni – Yassamin Ansari, Congresswoman from Arizona, on Politics, Protest, and Persian Identity
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06/01/2025

In this episode of Growing Up Neem-Rooni, Leyla talks with Representative Yassamin Ansari, the youngest member of Congress and the first Iranian-American Democrat to be elected. From growing up in a mostly white Arizona suburb to representing her diverse district in Washington, D.C., Yassamin shares her story of identity, community, and public service.


We talk about her family's immigration journey, what it was like growing up Persian in Arizona, the political awakenings that shaped her career, and the urgent fights she’s now taking on—climate change, immigration justice, labor rights, and Iranian-American visibility. She...